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00:01:35,130\n編列相關的預算不管是交通部也好或是隔壁的我們這個內政部的國土署也好因為像很多道路除了交通部管之外在這個都市計畫裡面的道路很多是國土署來管但是因為大家想到交通安全當然會覺得主管機關就是交通部嘛那我們也期待說是不是有機會去編列相關就像人行道一樣人行道現在各地方都在做\n\n5\n00:01:35,751 --> 00:02:04,305\n那這帶很多錢這個都外屬於交通部都內屬於國土署這個是這樣分的沒錯就是說我希望說這有一個整體的規劃不要說但錢由誰來支出這是你們行政院各部會去分工這個我沒有意見但是我意見是說既然要把這個所謂的行人安全做好的話是不是能夠有一個很明確的專案把所有的至少大型路口或幾公尺以上路口來把它列入所謂的這個行人安全的道安計畫裡面部長\n\n6\n00:02:06,019 --> 00:02:27,635\n報告委員您的這個建議很好我們目前所做的當然我們自己轄管的是省道的路口我們會優先來做那我們也透過跟縣市政府的聯繫的匯報裡面我們其實也都拜託縣市政府要去做那剛剛委員在提醒一點在經費上能不能夠協助其實我們跟國土署在這個行人永續安全提升計畫裡面其實他們還是可以提出申請\n\n7\n00:02:28,636 --> 00:02:57,722\n這個部分我們都可以來協助那至於要不要在另外成立一個專案我們來跟國土署這邊來商量或許我們可以做一個專案來鼓勵地方政府針對專門針對這個路口照明的部分我們來做一個計畫我們來延伸好部長謝謝因為之前這個行人道案的部分當然是針對人行道那我現在講的是穿越馬路的部分因為確實有很多地方不管是路燈也好還是晚上有的人沒開車燈也好各種有奇奇怪怪的狀況發生我們期待說所有的至少在\n\n8\n00:02:58,402 --> 00:03:20,833\n一定比例的入口的部分至少在市區也好省道也好它的照明能夠明確一點至少讓駕駛人能夠看到那當然我有看到說你這個隔熱紙的透光率的管理等等的這都是一併的啦我是覺得這是整套的要好好去執行好不好部長好沒有問題接下來我想這也是最近這些新聞可以看到說一些車禍我想是對於這個行人的死傷也造成蠻大的影響就是說這個\n\n9\n00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:40,299\n人到車主我跟部長反映一下有的地方是拆了有地方沒有拆那有地方是自己社區自己裝好但是會被檢舉說這個是影響性的通行所以被迫要一定要把它拆掉那有的身障者會來投訴說\n\n10\n00:03:41,460 --> 00:04:07,237\n依法他們那個寬度要1.5公尺但是這個車主很多地方在做車主的時候他是可能他的寬度差不多大概就是90公分或幾公分而已所以讓很多的可能身心障礙者他沒辦法通行那當然我知道很多人裝這個車主的目的就希望大家不要違規停車嘛這是這個台灣很多這個文化的問題那所以這個到底車主的部分是有沒有一個相關的法令能夠去執行這樣一致的去做\n\n11\n00:04:08,138 --> 00:04:22,764\n因為你這個東西保護行人重點還是要保護行人我們在這個人行道上面我們希望能夠保護行人不要讓車子不管他爆衝也好還是不小心也好衝到上面撞到行人這部分的話不知道在整個\n\n12\n00:04:23,484 --> 00:04:38,539\n整體的規劃裡面,你們怎麼去規劃這件事情?報告委員,我所知道的是國土署這邊已經有做相關的規劃,也有參考日本他們的模式,那國土署如果可以提供一些資料的話,是不是可以麻煩國土署?\n\n13\n00:04:40,212 --> 00:04:56,841\n這個部分國土署他們因為比較市區道路比較會用得到所以國土署這邊目前已經有在做討論了我們所知道的是這個樣子我們看一下下一頁其實確實啦各國有我們的自己的路源設計規範有美國的設計規範也有日本的這個交通安全的對策範例好國土署可以請國土署回應謝謝\n\n14\n00:04:59,451 --> 00:05:13,071\n主席委員那針對這個車主的部分其實就剛剛委員講的其實社會有不同的需求那從避免車子上人就來看是應該要做那目前我們有針對其他國家針對車主的強度\n\n15\n00:05:15,775 --> 00:05:41,836\n就是說車主設置的強度我們現在在訂一個跟地方政府會檢討出一個設置的規定那第二個問題是剛剛委員所提的說到底哪裡要設那這件事情會比較牽涉到基本上我們是比較贊成在路口轉角都把它設起來因為避免車子上但這一塊是在台灣的民警上面有一些路口的店家或者通行的需要要克服那這個可能還是要回到個案去檢討會比較適合一點\n\n16\n00:05:43,317 --> 00:06:07,315\n那在入口的左右兩側我們會優先推動去設置來保障行人跟車子的安全這樣因為像現在啦現在已經有所謂的路源設計範例嘛我們現階段就有這個東西那美國也有日本也有各國都有這相關的東西我是說我們現在參考的車主的部分那我先確定一下所以車主原則上我們是往要裝的方向做啊只是要裝什麼樣的材質什麼樣的規範還沒討論出來是這樣嗎\n\n17\n00:06:09,917 --> 00:06:38,409\n應該是說車主本來我們現在在推行段線退縮那入口本來就會空出來那空出來的部分本來就應該用車主跟能幹去做那避免車子上去是車主本身強度的問題那就是工程設計那要不要設我們是朝向要設的方向在推動那這部分但是因為入口店家各方面比較多我們有一些部分需要地方政府跟民眾來溝通跟客服這樣那這個大概什麼時候你們會有比較具體的方案要多久\n\n18\n00:06:39,395 --> 00:06:52,812\n車主本身設置的部分我們在近期就會有一個比較明確的規定把國外對於車主強度設計的東西引用進來那設置的地點這個本來就可以做是持續在各個工程裡面去做推動\n\n19\n00:06:55,287 --> 00:07:23,880\n但是它沒有辦法說一致性啦就是說每一個路口都去做那這件事情在目前來看是會有一點點沒關係我的意思說當然各地方啦知道說執行就是地方政府執行嘛那我說你現在會有一個比較明確的規範出來是什麼時候會有規範出來那各地方政府不管預算也好或是去執行也好我們現在就是說變成現在各地方政府各自各自各各自有的是水泥有的是塑膠有的是別的有的是鐵條那今天\n\n20\n00:07:25,111 --> 00:07:51,013\n不管內政部也好還是說交通部也好是會有一個明確的規範說以後用什麼樣的材質在什麼地方多大如果要裝會有這樣的規範出來跟委員報告不會有材質的規定會有強度的規定好什麼時候會有我們在最近這一個月會請地方政府來做討論跟檢討那基本上會先引用國外的規定好謝謝主席謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n765\t22880\t好 謝謝主席 主席我們請交通部陳部長請陳部長國賢好 部長好我想各縣市都很需要交通部的資源 節育建設好不好我們先進到今天的主題 今天談論是所謂的這個鞋子安全的部分我想部長我也非常的關注交通部的這個臉書是 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部長謝謝因為之前這個行人道案的部分當然是針對人行道那我現在講的是穿越馬路的部分因為確實有很多地方不管是路燈也好還是晚上有的人沒開車燈也好各種有奇奇怪怪的狀況發生我們期待說所有的至少在\n178402\t200833\t一定比例的入口的部分 至少在市區也好 省道也好它的照明能夠明確一點 至少讓駕駛人能夠看到 那當然我有看到說你這個隔熱紙的透光率的管理等等的 這都是一併的啦我是覺得這是整套的要好好去執行 好不好部長好 沒有問題接下來我想這也是最近這些新聞可以看到說一些車禍我想是對於這個行人的死傷也造成蠻大的影響就是說這個\n204520\t220299\t人到車主我跟部長反映一下有的地方是拆了有地方沒有拆那有地方是自己社區自己裝好但是會被檢舉說這個是影響性的通行所以被迫要一定要把它拆掉那有的身障者會來投訴說\n221460\t247237\t依法他們那個寬度要1.5公尺但是這個車主很多地方在做車主的時候他是可能他的寬度差不多大概就是90公分或幾公分而已所以讓很多的可能身心障礙者他沒辦法通行那當然我知道很多人裝這個車主的目的就希望大家不要違規停車嘛這是這個台灣很多這個文化的問題那所以這個到底車主的部分是有沒有一個相關的法令能夠去執行這樣一致的去做\n248138\t262764\t因為你這個東西保護行人重點還是要保護行人我們在這個人行道上面我們希望能夠保護行人不要讓車子不管他爆衝也好還是不小心也好衝到上面撞到行人這部分的話不知道在整個\n263484\t278539\t整體的規劃裡面,你們怎麼去規劃這件事情?報告委員,我所知道的是國土署這邊已經有做相關的規劃,也有參考日本他們的模式,那國土署如果可以提供一些資料的話,是不是可以麻煩國土署?\n280212\t296841\t這個部分國土署他們因為比較市區道路比較會用得到所以國土署這邊目前已經有在做討論了我們所知道的是這個樣子我們看一下下一頁其實確實啦各國有我們的自己的路源設計規範有美國的設計規範也有日本的這個交通安全的對策範例好 國土署可以請國土署回應 謝謝\n299451\t313071\t主席委員那針對這個車主的部分其實就剛剛委員講的其實社會有不同的需求那從避免車子上人就來看是應該要做那目前我們有針對其他國家針對車主的強度\n315775\t341836\t就是說車主設置的強度我們現在在訂一個跟地方政府會檢討出一個設置的規定那第二個問題是剛剛委員所提的說到底哪裡要設那這件事情會比較牽涉到基本上我們是比較贊成在路口轉角都把它設起來因為避免車子上但這一塊是在台灣的民警上面有一些路口的店家或者通行的需要要克服那這個可能還是要回到個案去檢討會比較適合一點\n343317\t367315\t那在入口的左右兩側我們會優先推動去設置來保障行人跟車子的安全這樣因為像現在啦現在已經有所謂的路源設計範例嘛我們現階段就有這個東西那美國也有日本也有各國都有這相關的東西我是說我們現在參考的車主的部分那我先確定一下所以車主原則上我們是往要裝的方向做啊只是要裝什麼樣的材質什麼樣的規範還沒討論出來是這樣嗎\n369917\t398409\t應該是說車主本來我們現在在推行段線退縮那入口本來就會空出來那空出來的部分本來就應該用車主跟能幹去做那避免車子上去是車主本身強度的問題那就是工程設計那要不要設我們是朝向要設的方向在推動那這部分但是因為入口店家各方面比較多我們有一些部分需要地方政府跟民眾來溝通跟客服這樣那這個大概什麼時候你們會有比較具體的方案要多久\n399395\t412812\t車主本身設置的部分我們在近期就會有一個比較明確的規定把國外對於車主強度設計的東西引用進來那設置的地點這個本來就可以做是持續在各個工程裡面去做推動\n415287\t443880\t但是它沒有辦法說一致性啦就是說每一個路口都去做那這件事情在目前來看是會有一點點沒關係我的意思說當然各地方啦知道說執行就是地方政府執行嘛那我說你現在會有一個比較明確的規範出來是什麼時候會有規範出來那各地方政府不管預算也好或是去執行也好我們現在就是說變成現在各地方政府各自各自各各自有的是水泥有的是塑膠有的是別的有的是鐵條那今天\n445111\t471013\t不管內政部也好還是說交通部也好是會有一個明確的規範說以後用什麼樣的材質在什麼地方多大如果要裝會有這樣的規範出來跟委員報告不會有材質的規定會有強度的規定好什麼時候會有我們在最近這一個月會請地方政府來做討論跟檢討那基本上會先引用國外的規定好謝謝主席謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 主席我們請交通部陳部長請陳部長國賢好 部長好我想各縣市都很需要交通部的資源 節育建設好不好我們先進到今天的主題 今天談論是所謂的這個鞋子安全的部分我想部長我也非常的關注交通部的這個臉書是 謝謝國賢\n部長提過這個所謂道岸三支箭有提到說要來改善這個路口的行人穿越道的照明那在先前的這個質詢裡面我也跟部長討論過是不是能夠把這個行人穿越道的照明把它列成一個通案不要只是用示範因為過去台中市在2022年2023年的這個照明的這個示範的成效也都蠻好而且一般民眾的評價也都很高我想部長也知道那我要問的是說部長在這個李教牧夜館單位裡面來講你們只有\n以省道路口為主嘛那很多的市區道路我想因為市區道路當然部長我剛才連說這是地方政府這個責任但是我想這個行人安全的道安的部分應該是全國一切的政策所以我要提這個建議說這部分有沒有可能也把這個市區道路口納入整個的改善計畫裡面甚至是說\n編列相關的預算不管是交通部也好或是隔壁的我們這個內政部的國土署也好因為像很多道路除了交通部管之外在這個都市計畫裡面的道路很多是國土署來管但是因為大家想到交通安全當然會覺得主管機關就是交通部嘛那我們也期待說是不是有機會去編列相關就像人行道一樣人行道現在各地方都在做\n那這帶很多錢這個都外屬於交通部都內屬於國土署這個是這樣分的沒錯就是說我希望說這有一個整體的規劃不要說但錢由誰來支出這是你們行政院各部會去分工這個我沒有意見但是我意見是說既然要把這個所謂的行人安全做好的話是不是能夠有一個很明確的專案把所有的至少大型路口或幾公尺以上路口來把它列入所謂的這個行人安全的道安計畫裡面部長\n報告委員您的這個建議很好我們目前所做的當然我們自己轄管的是省道的路口我們會優先來做那我們也透過跟縣市政府的聯繫的匯報裡面我們其實也都拜託縣市政府要去做那剛剛委員在提醒一點在經費上能不能夠協助其實我們跟國土署在這個行人永續安全提升計畫裡面其實他們還是可以提出申請\n這個部分我們都可以來協助那至於要不要在另外成立一個專案我們來跟國土署這邊來商量或許我們可以做一個專案來鼓勵地方政府針對專門針對這個路口照明的部分我們來做一個計畫我們來延伸好 部長謝謝因為之前這個行人道案的部分當然是針對人行道那我現在講的是穿越馬路的部分因為確實有很多地方不管是路燈也好還是晚上有的人沒開車燈也好各種有奇奇怪怪的狀況發生我們期待說所有的至少在\n一定比例的入口的部分 至少在市區也好 省道也好它的照明能夠明確一點 至少讓駕駛人能夠看到 那當然我有看到說你這個隔熱紙的透光率的管理等等的 這都是一併的啦我是覺得這是整套的要好好去執行 好不好部長好 沒有問題接下來我想這也是最近這些新聞可以看到說一些車禍我想是對於這個行人的死傷也造成蠻大的影響就是說這個\n人到車主我跟部長反映一下有的地方是拆了有地方沒有拆那有地方是自己社區自己裝好但是會被檢舉說這個是影響性的通行所以被迫要一定要把它拆掉那有的身障者會來投訴說\n依法他們那個寬度要1.5公尺但是這個車主很多地方在做車主的時候他是可能他的寬度差不多大概就是90公分或幾公分而已所以讓很多的可能身心障礙者他沒辦法通行那當然我知道很多人裝這個車主的目的就希望大家不要違規停車嘛這是這個台灣很多這個文化的問題那所以這個到底車主的部分是有沒有一個相關的法令能夠去執行這樣一致的去做\n因為你這個東西保護行人重點還是要保護行人我們在這個人行道上面我們希望能夠保護行人不要讓車子不管他爆衝也好還是不小心也好衝到上面撞到行人這部分的話不知道在整個\n整體的規劃裡面,你們怎麼去規劃這件事情?報告委員,我所知道的是國土署這邊已經有做相關的規劃,也有參考日本他們的模式,那國土署如果可以提供一些資料的話,是不是可以麻煩國土署?\n這個部分國土署他們因為比較市區道路比較會用得到所以國土署這邊目前已經有在做討論了我們所知道的是這個樣子我們看一下下一頁其實確實啦各國有我們的自己的路源設計規範有美國的設計規範也有日本的這個交通安全的對策範例好 國土署可以請國土署回應 謝謝\n主席委員那針對這個車主的部分其實就剛剛委員講的其實社會有不同的需求那從避免車子上人就來看是應該要做那目前我們有針對其他國家針對車主的強度\n就是說車主設置的強度我們現在在訂一個跟地方政府會檢討出一個設置的規定那第二個問題是剛剛委員所提的說到底哪裡要設那這件事情會比較牽涉到基本上我們是比較贊成在路口轉角都把它設起來因為避免車子上但這一塊是在台灣的民警上面有一些路口的店家或者通行的需要要克服那這個可能還是要回到個案去檢討會比較適合一點\n那在入口的左右兩側我們會優先推動去設置來保障行人跟車子的安全這樣因為像現在啦現在已經有所謂的路源設計範例嘛我們現階段就有這個東西那美國也有日本也有各國都有這相關的東西我是說我們現在參考的車主的部分那我先確定一下所以車主原則上我們是往要裝的方向做啊只是要裝什麼樣的材質什麼樣的規範還沒討論出來是這樣嗎\n應該是說車主本來我們現在在推行段線退縮那入口本來就會空出來那空出來的部分本來就應該用車主跟能幹去做那避免車子上去是車主本身強度的問題那就是工程設計那要不要設我們是朝向要設的方向在推動那這部分但是因為入口店家各方面比較多我們有一些部分需要地方政府跟民眾來溝通跟客服這樣那這個大概什麼時候你們會有比較具體的方案要多久\n車主本身設置的部分我們在近期就會有一個比較明確的規定把國外對於車主強度設計的東西引用進來那設置的地點這個本來就可以做是持續在各個工程裡面去做推動\n但是它沒有辦法說一致性啦就是說每一個路口都去做那這件事情在目前來看是會有一點點沒關係我的意思說當然各地方啦知道說執行就是地方政府執行嘛那我說你現在會有一個比較明確的規範出來是什麼時候會有規範出來那各地方政府不管預算也好或是去執行也好我們現在就是說變成現在各地方政府各自各自各各自有的是水泥有的是塑膠有的是別的有的是鐵條那今天\n不管內政部也好還是說交通部也好是會有一個明確的規範說以後用什麼樣的材質在什麼地方多大如果要裝會有這樣的規範出來跟委員報告不會有材質的規定會有強度的規定好什麼時候會有我們在最近這一個月會請地方政府來做討論跟檢討那基本上會先引用國外的規定好謝謝主席謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.765 --> 00:22.880\n好謝謝主席主席我們請交通部陳部長請陳部長國賢好部長好我想各縣市都很需要交通部的資源節育建設好不好我們先進到今天的主題今天談論是所謂的這個鞋子安全的部分我想部長我也非常的關注交通部的這個臉書是謝謝國賢\n\n00:25.222 --> 00:54.634\n部長提過這個所謂道岸三支箭有提到說要來改善這個路口的行人穿越道的照明那在先前的這個質詢裡面我也跟部長討論過是不是能夠把這個行人穿越道的照明把它列成一個通案不要只是用示範因為過去台中市在2022年2023年的這個照明的這個示範的成效也都蠻好而且一般民眾的評價也都很高我想部長也知道那我要問的是說部長在這個李教牧夜館單位裡面來講你們只有\n\n00:55.714 --> 01:13.650\n以省道路口為主嘛那很多的市區道路我想因為市區道路當然部長我剛才連說這是地方政府這個責任但是我想這個行人安全的道安的部分應該是全國一切的政策所以我要提這個建議說這部分有沒有可能也把這個市區道路口納入整個的改善計畫裡面甚至是說\n\n01:14.651 --> 01:35.130\n編列相關的預算不管是交通部也好或是隔壁的我們這個內政部的國土署也好因為像很多道路除了交通部管之外在這個都市計畫裡面的道路很多是國土署來管但是因為大家想到交通安全當然會覺得主管機關就是交通部嘛那我們也期待說是不是有機會去編列相關就像人行道一樣人行道現在各地方都在做\n\n01:35.751 --> 02:04.305\n那這帶很多錢這個都外屬於交通部都內屬於國土署這個是這樣分的沒錯就是說我希望說這有一個整體的規劃不要說但錢由誰來支出這是你們行政院各部會去分工這個我沒有意見但是我意見是說既然要把這個所謂的行人安全做好的話是不是能夠有一個很明確的專案把所有的至少大型路口或幾公尺以上路口來把它列入所謂的這個行人安全的道安計畫裡面部長\n\n02:06.019 --> 02:27.635\n報告委員您的這個建議很好我們目前所做的當然我們自己轄管的是省道的路口我們會優先來做那我們也透過跟縣市政府的聯繫的匯報裡面我們其實也都拜託縣市政府要去做那剛剛委員在提醒一點在經費上能不能夠協助其實我們跟國土署在這個行人永續安全提升計畫裡面其實他們還是可以提出申請\n\n02:28.636 --> 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