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部長我剛剛看了一下我們剛剛有國民黨跟民眾黨的委員提到我們這個嘉義市輕委的這個事情\n25287\t50878\t部長應該在記者會也講得很清楚我想說這是一個幕僚作業的一個疏失但是我想國民黨跟民眾的委員應該不會這麼簡單幫你做是不是請部長再說明一下到底這件事情到底是什麼一個情況好不好報告委員其實不管是針對輕軌或者是捷運系統目前像委員就很清楚在屏東也有在爭取捷運系統\n51818\t70617\t那對交通部來說對中央政府來說我們都是一致性的原則也就是說這是地方主導那中央來補助包含可行性研究這一次的這個嘉義輕軌的這個案子的可行性研究也是嘉義市政府來做也是由嘉義市政府來做所以其實它的主導是由嘉義市政府來主導\n71278\t87386\t那我們中央的角色除了協助之外還有補助這個部分其實全國性都是一致的那所以剛剛不管是哪位委員所提到的我都講一樣的話你像這個高雄的捷運要接到\n88666\t107515\t這個高鐵站要接到高鐵站左營高鐵站的那個捷運也是地方出的錢比中央還要多像我自己出生的都市台中市也是一樣我們的捷運綠線要串接到高鐵站一樣是地方出的比較多中央來補助一定的比例那所以其實我們全國性都是一致的啦\n108115\t127722\t那一天的狀況其實是幕僚準備的那個資料他那個順序的擺法其實讓院長有一些小誤解那這個部分我們非常的抱歉我昨天在面對記者的時候我也有先道歉過那我今天也再道歉這個沒有問題這個非常抱歉但我還是必須要謹守一件事就是全國一致性的原則\n128622\t149161\t部長這個要講清楚啦不然這個責任很重大那我們也看到這個國民黨跟民眾黨的委員一手砍預算所以我相信你現在對整個全國的交通的建設你也偷偷聽啦現在我們就不能處理啦所以該怎麼樣一個公平性的處理真的要一個標準就好了我們大家都好好做事啦\n152083\t162088\t最近台幣升值帶動出國的潮流,會不會對國旅造成很嚴重的衝擊?報告委員,匯率確實會影響到我們的觀光以去年來說,去年日幣突然跌了非常多\n171013\t191392\t那我們台灣的民眾就會覺得去日本玩好便宜那寧願出國所以去年確實有大量的民眾跑到日本去玩那今年日幣稍微比較升值了那台灣的民眾往日本我們看那個數據看起來就會降低一些啦那最近這一兩三天很快速的台幣有一個升值的這個狀況出現那會有兩個層面的影響一個是我們的國人出國會變便宜\n196136\t213075\t消費會覺得更便宜那另外一個層面是其他國家來到台灣旅遊會覺得比較貴例如說美金現在兌換台幣可能對美金比較不利美國的旅客來到台灣他就會受到一些影響那這個部分當然短期之間看不出那個影響可是長時間我們會有擔心所以我會請這個觀光署\n217560\t236679\t密切的關注我們目前進出國的這個數據包含來的這些國家的一些數據如果有需要提供一些補助或者是一些協助的話觀光署會很快速的來擬定方案來協助我們的旅行的業者部長這我還是建議我們還是要把這個拉高到我們行政院這個\n237559\t256461\t觀光產業振興的諮詢會議裡面要做一個很詳細的討論沒錯尤其在我們相關跨部會的整合上面怎麼樣給予我們國旅業者更多的優惠跟補助的一個方案不能失衡太嚴重這樣真的很危險沒有錯我們還是希望來台灣玩的旅客可以多一些\n257623\t266786\t部長我想我們前陣子我們交通委員會也有到大鵬灣去考察嗎那我相信部長也很喜歡我們整個大鵬灣的一個環境那現在大鵬灣面臨幾個問題我還是要請部長這邊來幫忙一下部長因為過去這個我們大鵬灣國家風景區設立的時候\n274729\t293556\t制定一個都市計畫的理想性太高了那所以造成這個我們周邊土地的使用強度被拉低那造成這個業者跟民眾這個投入的意願降低很多那目前我們油氣區用地的建壁率只有15%容積率45%那要開發的時候\n294836\t316672\t還必須要退縮道路5公尺讓這個開發案困難重重那當然我們目前有1、有2、有3已經在進行這個BOT照商的一個作業目前進度順利嗎目前官方署給我的回報目前是順利啦所以我們希望說有1、有2、有3的這個BOT案可以在今年底完成簽約完成簽約之後就可以啟動\n318053\t345344\t那另外除了郵一郵二郵三之外我想我們周邊包含這個郵四到郵八這部分我們也希望我們民間能夠同步來啟動啦因為不能只有我們這個這三塊起來 其他旁邊又破爛也不對啊所以我們應該是整理開發那但是現在面臨的問題是我們郵七郵八過去有提到我們在這個內政部有提到要辦一個勢力重劃但是我們認為這樣比較不可行\n346144\t367265\t影響的層面太大而且時間拉長太長而且涉及到超過一千個地主所以我們是建議說如果說由觀光署來主導政府來開闢有七有八的周邊石流條的道路那這樣子是不是可以讓地主能夠後續再做一個整合我想這個方向部長認同嗎\n368565\t384404\t報告委員 這個部分您有提到過啦那我又請觀光署這邊我們再來研議看有沒有這樣的可能性有沒有這樣的可能性如果可以的話 法令上法規上可行的話我們就朝這個方向來推動當然因為我們考慮到我們捧館處的人力比較不足\n385205\t402705\t那如果可行的話我想我們來協調縣政府也願意來代辦這樣的一個工作那大家趕快盡快把這個地方來開吧那另外我想不然我們到大鵬灣去的時候都說一時吃喝玩樂都沒問題啦但晚上比較沒有地方可以去\n403286\t432365\t那我在交通委員會質詢的時候我也特別提到說我們這個大鵬灣的這個夜間觀光競技的部分必須要加快來速度那尤其像我們鵬灣塊大橋這個光環境的部分那甚至我想我們看到奧地利有一個布雷根茲音樂節有一個水上劇場那我想我們大鵬灣的灣浴室很適合來做這樣一個水上的一個電幕劇的一個演出我想可以吸引很多國內外的遊客那部長\n433326\t458492\t願不願意來促成這樣的一個活動然後把我們東港營網的一個主題可以納入做一個我們的一個表演的一個主題好 包委員我覺得這都是很好的想法跟發想啦那我們當然BOT的案子我們要趕快往前推進那另外就是海上的晚上的一些活動我們其實之前在屏東我們有討論過幾次那當然您所提的這些建議都非常好的建議我們請觀光署這邊來研議看要怎麼協助\n459252\t471324\t地方政府來推動 部長那就請國防署一個月之內給我們一個規劃的一個報告好不好好 我們希望能夠看能不能在暑假的時候就可以來實現這樣一個地務局的一個表演好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長請陳部長委員好 部長長 部長我剛剛看了一下我們剛剛有國民黨跟民眾黨的委員提到我們這個嘉義市輕委的這個事情\n部長應該在記者會也講得很清楚我想說這是一個幕僚作業的一個疏失但是我想國民黨跟民眾的委員應該不會這麼簡單幫你做是不是請部長再說明一下到底這件事情到底是什麼一個情況好不好報告委員其實不管是針對輕軌或者是捷運系統目前像委員就很清楚在屏東也有在爭取捷運系統\n那對交通部來說對中央政府來說我們都是一致性的原則也就是說這是地方主導那中央來補助包含可行性研究這一次的這個嘉義輕軌的這個案子的可行性研究也是嘉義市政府來做也是由嘉義市政府來做所以其實它的主導是由嘉義市政府來主導\n那我們中央的角色除了協助之外還有補助這個部分其實全國性都是一致的那所以剛剛不管是哪位委員所提到的我都講一樣的話你像這個高雄的捷運要接到\n這個高鐵站要接到高鐵站左營高鐵站的那個捷運也是地方出的錢比中央還要多像我自己出生的都市台中市也是一樣我們的捷運綠線要串接到高鐵站一樣是地方出的比較多中央來補助一定的比例那所以其實我們全國性都是一致的啦\n那一天的狀況其實是幕僚準備的那個資料他那個順序的擺法其實讓院長有一些小誤解那這個部分我們非常的抱歉我昨天在面對記者的時候我也有先道歉過那我今天也再道歉這個沒有問題這個非常抱歉但我還是必須要謹守一件事就是全國一致性的原則\n部長這個要講清楚啦不然這個責任很重大那我們也看到這個國民黨跟民眾黨的委員一手砍預算所以我相信你現在對整個全國的交通的建設你也偷偷聽啦現在我們就不能處理啦所以該怎麼樣一個公平性的處理真的要一個標準就好了我們大家都好好做事啦\n最近台幣升值帶動出國的潮流,會不會對國旅造成很嚴重的衝擊?報告委員,匯率確實會影響到我們的觀光以去年來說,去年日幣突然跌了非常多\n那我們台灣的民眾就會覺得去日本玩好便宜那寧願出國所以去年確實有大量的民眾跑到日本去玩那今年日幣稍微比較升值了那台灣的民眾往日本我們看那個數據看起來就會降低一些啦那最近這一兩三天很快速的台幣有一個升值的這個狀況出現那會有兩個層面的影響一個是我們的國人出國會變便宜\n消費會覺得更便宜那另外一個層面是其他國家來到台灣旅遊會覺得比較貴例如說美金現在兌換台幣可能對美金比較不利美國的旅客來到台灣他就會受到一些影響那這個部分當然短期之間看不出那個影響可是長時間我們會有擔心所以我會請這個觀光署\n密切的關注我們目前進出國的這個數據包含來的這些國家的一些數據如果有需要提供一些補助或者是一些協助的話觀光署會很快速的來擬定方案來協助我們的旅行的業者部長這我還是建議我們還是要把這個拉高到我們行政院這個\n觀光產業振興的諮詢會議裡面要做一個很詳細的討論沒錯尤其在我們相關跨部會的整合上面怎麼樣給予我們國旅業者更多的優惠跟補助的一個方案不能失衡太嚴重這樣真的很危險沒有錯我們還是希望來台灣玩的旅客可以多一些\n部長我想我們前陣子我們交通委員會也有到大鵬灣去考察嗎那我相信部長也很喜歡我們整個大鵬灣的一個環境那現在大鵬灣面臨幾個問題我還是要請部長這邊來幫忙一下部長因為過去這個我們大鵬灣國家風景區設立的時候\n制定一個都市計畫的理想性太高了那所以造成這個我們周邊土地的使用強度被拉低那造成這個業者跟民眾這個投入的意願降低很多那目前我們油氣區用地的建壁率只有15%容積率45%那要開發的時候\n還必須要退縮道路5公尺讓這個開發案困難重重那當然我們目前有1、有2、有3已經在進行這個BOT照商的一個作業目前進度順利嗎目前官方署給我的回報目前是順利啦所以我們希望說有1、有2、有3的這個BOT案可以在今年底完成簽約完成簽約之後就可以啟動\n那另外除了郵一郵二郵三之外我想我們周邊包含這個郵四到郵八這部分我們也希望我們民間能夠同步來啟動啦因為不能只有我們這個這三塊起來 其他旁邊又破爛也不對啊所以我們應該是整理開發那但是現在面臨的問題是我們郵七郵八過去有提到我們在這個內政部有提到要辦一個勢力重劃但是我們認為這樣比較不可行\n影響的層面太大而且時間拉長太長而且涉及到超過一千個地主所以我們是建議說如果說由觀光署來主導政府來開闢有七有八的周邊石流條的道路那這樣子是不是可以讓地主能夠後續再做一個整合我想這個方向部長認同嗎\n報告委員 這個部分您有提到過啦那我又請觀光署這邊我們再來研議看有沒有這樣的可能性有沒有這樣的可能性如果可以的話 法令上法規上可行的話我們就朝這個方向來推動當然因為我們考慮到我們捧館處的人力比較不足\n那如果可行的話我想我們來協調縣政府也願意來代辦這樣的一個工作那大家趕快盡快把這個地方來開吧那另外我想不然我們到大鵬灣去的時候都說一時吃喝玩樂都沒問題啦但晚上比較沒有地方可以去\n那我在交通委員會質詢的時候我也特別提到說我們這個大鵬灣的這個夜間觀光競技的部分必須要加快來速度那尤其像我們鵬灣塊大橋這個光環境的部分那甚至我想我們看到奧地利有一個布雷根茲音樂節有一個水上劇場那我想我們大鵬灣的灣浴室很適合來做這樣一個水上的一個電幕劇的一個演出我想可以吸引很多國內外的遊客那部長\n願不願意來促成這樣的一個活動然後把我們東港營網的一個主題可以納入做一個我們的一個表演的一個主題好 包委員我覺得這都是很好的想法跟發想啦那我們當然BOT的案子我們要趕快往前推進那另外就是海上的晚上的一些活動我們其實之前在屏東我們有討論過幾次那當然您所提的這些建議都非常好的建議我們請觀光署這邊來研議看要怎麼協助\n地方政府來推動 部長那就請國防署一個月之內給我們一個規劃的一個報告好不好好 我們希望能夠看能不能在暑假的時候就可以來實現這樣一個地務局的一個表演好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:22.564\n謝謝主席我們有請陳部長請陳部長委員好部長長部長我剛剛看了一下我們剛剛有國民黨跟民眾黨的委員提到我們這個嘉義市輕委的這個事情\n\n00:25.287 --> 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