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00:01:35,638\n部長有沒有考慮就是以現在交通部掌握各地方停車場的空間需求在這五期通通做完之後各地方政府的需求狀況還是存在還是說已經幾乎很少了\n\n5\n00:01:37,146 --> 00:01:54,197\n報告委員這個部分我們也認為地方的這個停車的需求其實還蠻多啦所以我們目前還有擬定一個新的計畫要向行政院來爭取預算我們希望可以再匡列一些預算讓我們可以協助地方政府來做這個停車場所以部長你感覺我也是這樣覺得啦我認為這個前瞻計畫\n\n6\n00:01:57,579 --> 00:02:16,026\n這個五期當中編兩百多億來協助地方政府蓋停車場我認為這件事情是很重要因為民眾對於停車的需求這個當然跟過去計畫整體的發展都有關係啦但畢竟台灣現在就是這個樣子那大家對於停車的需求特別是\n\n7\n00:02:16,986 --> 00:02:46,025\n特定地區啦他其實真的有停車的這個需求特別是我們要開始執行對行人友善的這個計畫的時候很多時候他的爭執會出現在於過去停車方便現在可能我們要友善行人所以就導致他不能像過去這麼方便去停車但如果政府又沒有配套讓他有停車的地方那這時候我們友善行人的\n\n8\n00:02:47,269 --> 00:03:02,067\n社會對於行人友善的這個政策的美意恐怕又會打折又會挑戰又會質疑因為跟他的這個過去的停車方便習慣甚至有沒有空間可以讓他停車這兩者又會牽扯在一起\n\n9\n00:03:02,868 --> 00:03:17,178\n所以持續的去執行這件事情很重要那部長你有沒有預計在下一個階段就是說這個前瞻的五期做完之後我們還是一樣打算有多少預算規模要來持續對停車場興建做協助\n\n10\n00:03:20,293 --> 00:03:46,691\n報告委員我目前是在跟行政院爭取60億的預算希望能夠再多匡列60億的預算來讓我們協助地方的停車需求已經在審查了所以換言之可能是明年的預算應該看起來是這樣我希望這個能夠持續來推動因為前幾天我們跟教育部在清水做會刊\n\n11\n00:03:47,711 --> 00:04:15,983\n那我們也發現現在很多的建築物因為要取得土地並不是太容易所以如果大型的這個建築物大型的公共工程要興建的時候同時考量停車場譬如說過去我們大甲利用國中禮堂興建那禮堂就在操場的旁邊那禮堂的興建同時讓操場的地下室跟\n\n12\n00:04:17,941 --> 00:04:41,711\n禮堂的地下室活動中心的地下室一起同時興建停車場這個其實對於比較難停車的人口較集中的地方其實這是一個很好的方案啦不然你要再去找一塊停車場用地我看是不容易啦那所以清水有一個大的案子譬如說這個叫做要蓋那個室內的自行車館\n\n13\n00:04:43,131 --> 00:05:11,696\n那我看台中市政府他也在地下市規劃了停車場那我很支持啦我認為附近啊這個住宅林立那停車空間也不是太夠那如果能夠利用興建這個很大型因為這大型停車館大型的自行車館大概他是一個標準的國際比賽的場地那我相信這個預算大概要有10億的規模啦這個館所以他的地下空間一定很大\n\n14\n00:05:12,316 --> 00:05:36,102\n所以他們提出說是不是要連停車場一起來做那我知道前瞻已經結束了所以我們希望說如果未來還有這個六十億的預算我們會來積極協助台中市政府來爭取在清水地區興建這個共構型的這種地下停車場域部長到時候我在因為要先有預算我現在跟你講這個也沒用\n\n15\n00:05:37,222 --> 00:05:57,641\n到時候預算編了又給這個在黨刪掉我想那也沒用啦所以等預算通過之後我想我們會積極來協助地方政府來將這個停車的問題解決那同時停車的配套解決的好我們對於行人友善這個政策我覺得我們的執行的效率跟速度才會快\n\n16\n00:05:58,421 --> 00:06:18,357\n這第一個我想跟部長特別來要求也期待能夠這個預算能夠來通過如果我們爭取到預算的時候這個部分我們會優先來考量好謝謝部長那第二個部分我想這個我在去年有提了一個臨時提案也就是台中這個國道4號下來可不可以直接高速\n\n17\n00:06:19,559 --> 00:06:35,039\n用這個快速公路的方式連結現在的西濱也就是台61線那這個是路網的概念就是說台中市的最北邊台中市的最北邊如果國道4號跟\n\n18\n00:06:35,599 --> 00:07:03,561\n台61線連結台61線西濱公路就不會成為一條寂寞公路因為西濱在台中一路就是走自己的事情它跟大家都沒有用路網連結的概念所以雖然你走平面道路還是可以到但是我們的概念裡面一個城市快速道路的連結對於交通的疏解城市的發展其實它很重要所以西濱在台中就是一條寂寞公路它跟大家都沒有快速連結\n\n19\n00:07:04,722 --> 00:07:30,858\n所以本席過去一直希望北邊可以跟國道4號來連結南邊可以跟生活圈的道路就像部長過去在烏日當議員是一樣就是那個沿著烏溪可以生活圈的道路連結但生活圈的道路不是交通部業務所以我就姑且不提南邊的連結所以如果這個可以做一個連結就把大台中地區的最外環\n\n20\n00:07:32,211 --> 00:07:55,453\n最外環可以把它串接起來那這個最外環串接呢因為其中還涉及到台中港也跟部裡面關係有也跟你業務有關那部長你也清楚知道台中港目前正是蓬勃發展的階段我們不斷的在外移就是不斷的在興建新的碼頭在擴大對在擴大台中港的這個範圍所以呢\n\n21\n00:07:56,494 --> 00:08:19,829\n表示部裡面預期這個港未來會持續的這個進展發展所以我們事先未雨綢繆因為這個道路就算我臨時提案在交通委員會通過那運營所也提出跟本席回覆嘛說希望對對對說希望請這個高速公路局先啟動掀起評估所以換言之這個一路啊\n\n22\n00:08:20,529 --> 00:08:45,975\n本席去年一路到先期評估到後面要做到好這個其實還有一段很長的時間所以我的意思是說該做的先做因為你預期台中港會發展預期台中這個城市會越來越進步越來越發展所以這種路網的事先的預估架構跟評估其實相對是重要的所以部長你覺不覺得應該請高速公路局先來啟動這個先期評估讓國道4號跟\n\n23\n00:08:49,897 --> 00:09:14,695\n61線在北邊可以先做連結好報告委員目前運援署他已經有做過初步的這個規劃跟研議啦那研議完之後認為是有這個需要性的所以我也要請高工局來同意這件事情就是先期的評估我們先來啟動那應該高工局也可以做得到啦先期的評估我們先來啟動先來啟動先來做OK好那我們就是因為我做了這個臨時提案\n\n24\n00:09:16,916 --> 00:09:35,771\n運營所也做了專業的評估認為應該要啟動這件事情對應該要啟動所以應該沒有問題啦局長沒有問題這個部分沒有問題好那就麻煩你們這個對大台中未來的整個路網的建立對台中港未來這個蓬勃發展之後交通運輸的動線其實都很重要現在麻煩大家謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1190\t4653\t謝謝主席,請陳部長請陳部長部長早安部長這個前瞻計畫裡面,我看了一下應該現在包括進行到第五期\n24938\t48595\t那其中這個前瞻計畫當中有編列補助地方政府來興建停車場那這個部分我看大概編了41億嗎?是嗎?前瞻裡面總共編補助地方政府大概編了多少錢?\n49919\t78428\t兩百六十億 每一期嘛加起來應該是四十幾億 全部加起來兩百多億那這個到目前為止這兩百多億基本上從第一期執行到第五期大概我們都已經核定要給哪一個地方政府去做哪些停車場那現在已經全部都核定了\n80540\t95638\t部長有沒有考慮就是以現在交通部掌握各地方停車場的空間需求在這五期通通做完之後各地方政府的需求狀況還是存在還是說已經幾乎很少了\n97146\t114197\t報告委員這個部分我們也認為地方的這個停車的需求其實還蠻多啦所以我們目前還有擬定一個新的計畫要向行政院來爭取預算我們希望可以再匡列一些預算讓我們可以協助地方政府來做這個停車場所以部長你感覺我也是這樣覺得啦我認為這個前瞻計畫\n117579\t136026\t這個五期當中編兩百多億來協助地方政府蓋停車場我認為這件事情是很重要因為民眾對於停車的需求這個當然跟過去計畫整體的發展都有關係啦但畢竟台灣現在就是這個樣子那大家對於停車的需求特別是\n136986\t166025\t特定地區啦他其實真的有停車的這個需求特別是我們要開始執行對行人友善的這個計畫的時候很多時候他的爭執會出現在於過去停車方便現在可能我們要友善行人所以就導致他不能像過去這麼方便去停車但如果政府又沒有配套讓他有停車的地方那這時候我們友善行人的\n167269\t182067\t社會對於行人友善的這個政策的美意恐怕又會打折又會挑戰又會質疑因為跟他的這個過去的停車方便習慣甚至有沒有空間可以讓他停車這兩者又會牽扯在一起\n182868\t197178\t所以持續的去執行這件事情很重要那部長你有沒有預計在下一個階段就是說這個前瞻的五期做完之後我們還是一樣打算有多少預算規模要來持續對停車場興建做協助\n200293\t226691\t報告委員 我目前是在跟行政院爭取60億的預算希望能夠再多匡列60億的預算來讓我們協助地方的停車需求已經在審查了所以換言之可能是明年的預算應該看起來是這樣我希望這個能夠持續來推動因為前幾天我們跟教育部在清水做會刊\n227711\t255983\t那我們也發現現在很多的建築物因為要取得土地並不是太容易所以如果大型的這個建築物大型的公共工程要興建的時候同時考量停車場譬如說過去我們大甲利用國中禮堂興建那禮堂就在操場的旁邊那禮堂的興建同時讓操場的地下室跟\n257941\t281711\t禮堂的地下室 活動中心的地下室一起同時興建停車場這個其實對於比較難停車的人口較集中的地方其實這是一個很好的方案啦 不然你要再去找一塊停車場用地我看是不容易啦那所以清水有一個大的案子 譬如說這個叫做要蓋那個室內的自行車館\n283131\t311696\t那我看台中市政府他也在地下市規劃了停車場那我很支持啦我認為附近啊這個住宅林立那停車空間也不是太夠那如果能夠利用興建這個很大型因為這大型停車館大型的自行車館大概他是一個標準的國際比賽的場地那我相信這個預算大概要有10億的規模啦這個館所以他的地下空間一定很大\n312316\t336102\t所以他們提出說是不是要連停車場一起來做那我知道前瞻已經結束了所以我們希望說如果未來還有這個六十億的預算我們會來積極協助台中市政府來爭取在清水地區興建這個共構型的這種地下停車場域部長到時候我在因為要先有預算我現在跟你講這個也沒用\n337222\t357641\t到時候預算編了又給這個在黨刪掉我想那也沒用啦所以等預算通過之後我想我們會積極來協助地方政府來將這個停車的問題解決那同時停車的配套解決的好我們對於行人友善這個政策我覺得我們的執行的效率跟速度才會快\n358421\t378357\t這第一個我想跟部長特別來要求也期待能夠這個預算能夠來通過如果我們爭取到預算的時候這個部分我們會優先來考量好謝謝部長那第二個部分我想這個我在去年有提了一個臨時提案也就是台中這個國道4號下來可不可以直接高速\n379559\t395039\t用這個快速公路的方式連結現在的西濱也就是台61線那這個是路網的概念就是說台中市的最北邊台中市的最北邊如果國道4號跟\n395599\t423561\t台61線連結台61線西濱公路就不會成為一條寂寞公路因為西濱在台中一路就是走自己的事情它跟大家都沒有用路網連結的概念所以雖然你走平面道路還是可以到但是我們的概念裡面一個城市快速道路的連結對於交通的疏解城市的發展其實它很重要所以西濱在台中就是一條寂寞公路它跟大家都沒有快速連結\n424722\t450858\t所以本席過去一直希望北邊可以跟國道4號來連結南邊可以跟生活圈的道路就像部長過去在烏日當議員是一樣就是那個沿著烏溪可以生活圈的道路連結但生活圈的道路不是交通部業務所以我就姑且不提南邊的連結所以如果這個可以做一個連結就把大台中地區的最外環\n452211\t475453\t最外環可以把它串接起來那這個最外環串接呢因為其中還涉及到台中港也跟部裡面關係有也跟你業務有關那部長你也清楚知道台中港目前正是蓬勃發展的階段我們不斷的在外移就是不斷的在興建新的碼頭在擴大對在擴大台中港的這個範圍所以呢\n476494\t499829\t表示部裡面預期這個港未來會持續的這個進展發展所以我們事先未雨綢繆因為這個道路就算我臨時提案在交通委員會通過那運營所也提出跟本席回覆嘛說希望對對對說希望請這個高速公路局先啟動掀起評估所以換言之這個一路啊\n500529\t525975\t本席去年一路到先期評估到後面要做到好這個其實還有一段很長的時間所以我的意思是說該做的先做因為你預期台中港會發展預期台中這個城市會越來越進步越來越發展所以這種路網的事先的預估架構跟評估其實相對是重要的所以部長你覺不覺得應該請高速公路局先來啟動這個先期評估讓國道4號跟\n529897\t554695\t61線在北邊可以先做連結好 報告委員目前運援署他已經有做過初步的這個規劃跟研議啦那研議完之後認為是有這個需要性的所以我也要請高工局來同意這件事情就是先期的評估我們先來啟動那應該高工局也可以做得到啦先期的評估我們先來啟動先來啟動 先來做OK 好 那我們就是因為我做了這個臨時提案\n556916\t575771\t運營所也做了專業的評估 認為應該要啟動這件事情對 應該要啟動所以應該沒有問題啦 局長沒有問題 這個部分沒有問題好 那就麻煩你們這個對大台中未來的整個路網的建立對台中港未來這個蓬勃發展之後交通運輸的動線其實都很重要現在麻煩大家 謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席,請陳部長請陳部長部長早安部長這個前瞻計畫裡面,我看了一下應該現在包括進行到第五期\n那其中這個前瞻計畫當中有編列補助地方政府來興建停車場那這個部分我看大概編了41億嗎?是嗎?前瞻裡面總共編補助地方政府大概編了多少錢?\n兩百六十億 每一期嘛加起來應該是四十幾億 全部加起來兩百多億那這個到目前為止這兩百多億基本上從第一期執行到第五期大概我們都已經核定要給哪一個地方政府去做哪些停車場那現在已經全部都核定了\n部長有沒有考慮就是以現在交通部掌握各地方停車場的空間需求在這五期通通做完之後各地方政府的需求狀況還是存在還是說已經幾乎很少了\n報告委員這個部分我們也認為地方的這個停車的需求其實還蠻多啦所以我們目前還有擬定一個新的計畫要向行政院來爭取預算我們希望可以再匡列一些預算讓我們可以協助地方政府來做這個停車場所以部長你感覺我也是這樣覺得啦我認為這個前瞻計畫\n這個五期當中編兩百多億來協助地方政府蓋停車場我認為這件事情是很重要因為民眾對於停車的需求這個當然跟過去計畫整體的發展都有關係啦但畢竟台灣現在就是這個樣子那大家對於停車的需求特別是\n特定地區啦他其實真的有停車的這個需求特別是我們要開始執行對行人友善的這個計畫的時候很多時候他的爭執會出現在於過去停車方便現在可能我們要友善行人所以就導致他不能像過去這麼方便去停車但如果政府又沒有配套讓他有停車的地方那這時候我們友善行人的\n社會對於行人友善的這個政策的美意恐怕又會打折又會挑戰又會質疑因為跟他的這個過去的停車方便習慣甚至有沒有空間可以讓他停車這兩者又會牽扯在一起\n所以持續的去執行這件事情很重要那部長你有沒有預計在下一個階段就是說這個前瞻的五期做完之後我們還是一樣打算有多少預算規模要來持續對停車場興建做協助\n報告委員 我目前是在跟行政院爭取60億的預算希望能夠再多匡列60億的預算來讓我們協助地方的停車需求已經在審查了所以換言之可能是明年的預算應該看起來是這樣我希望這個能夠持續來推動因為前幾天我們跟教育部在清水做會刊\n那我們也發現現在很多的建築物因為要取得土地並不是太容易所以如果大型的這個建築物大型的公共工程要興建的時候同時考量停車場譬如說過去我們大甲利用國中禮堂興建那禮堂就在操場的旁邊那禮堂的興建同時讓操場的地下室跟\n禮堂的地下室 活動中心的地下室一起同時興建停車場這個其實對於比較難停車的人口較集中的地方其實這是一個很好的方案啦 不然你要再去找一塊停車場用地我看是不容易啦那所以清水有一個大的案子 譬如說這個叫做要蓋那個室內的自行車館\n那我看台中市政府他也在地下市規劃了停車場那我很支持啦我認為附近啊這個住宅林立那停車空間也不是太夠那如果能夠利用興建這個很大型因為這大型停車館大型的自行車館大概他是一個標準的國際比賽的場地那我相信這個預算大概要有10億的規模啦這個館所以他的地下空間一定很大\n所以他們提出說是不是要連停車場一起來做那我知道前瞻已經結束了所以我們希望說如果未來還有這個六十億的預算我們會來積極協助台中市政府來爭取在清水地區興建這個共構型的這種地下停車場域部長到時候我在因為要先有預算我現在跟你講這個也沒用\n到時候預算編了又給這個在黨刪掉我想那也沒用啦所以等預算通過之後我想我們會積極來協助地方政府來將這個停車的問題解決那同時停車的配套解決的好我們對於行人友善這個政策我覺得我們的執行的效率跟速度才會快\n這第一個我想跟部長特別來要求也期待能夠這個預算能夠來通過如果我們爭取到預算的時候這個部分我們會優先來考量好謝謝部長那第二個部分我想這個我在去年有提了一個臨時提案也就是台中這個國道4號下來可不可以直接高速\n用這個快速公路的方式連結現在的西濱也就是台61線那這個是路網的概念就是說台中市的最北邊台中市的最北邊如果國道4號跟\n台61線連結台61線西濱公路就不會成為一條寂寞公路因為西濱在台中一路就是走自己的事情它跟大家都沒有用路網連結的概念所以雖然你走平面道路還是可以到但是我們的概念裡面一個城市快速道路的連結對於交通的疏解城市的發展其實它很重要所以西濱在台中就是一條寂寞公路它跟大家都沒有快速連結\n所以本席過去一直希望北邊可以跟國道4號來連結南邊可以跟生活圈的道路就像部長過去在烏日當議員是一樣就是那個沿著烏溪可以生活圈的道路連結但生活圈的道路不是交通部業務所以我就姑且不提南邊的連結所以如果這個可以做一個連結就把大台中地區的最外環\n最外環可以把它串接起來那這個最外環串接呢因為其中還涉及到台中港也跟部裡面關係有也跟你業務有關那部長你也清楚知道台中港目前正是蓬勃發展的階段我們不斷的在外移就是不斷的在興建新的碼頭在擴大對在擴大台中港的這個範圍所以呢\n表示部裡面預期這個港未來會持續的這個進展發展所以我們事先未雨綢繆因為這個道路就算我臨時提案在交通委員會通過那運營所也提出跟本席回覆嘛說希望對對對說希望請這個高速公路局先啟動掀起評估所以換言之這個一路啊\n本席去年一路到先期評估到後面要做到好這個其實還有一段很長的時間所以我的意思是說該做的先做因為你預期台中港會發展預期台中這個城市會越來越進步越來越發展所以這種路網的事先的預估架構跟評估其實相對是重要的所以部長你覺不覺得應該請高速公路局先來啟動這個先期評估讓國道4號跟\n61線在北邊可以先做連結好 報告委員目前運援署他已經有做過初步的這個規劃跟研議啦那研議完之後認為是有這個需要性的所以我也要請高工局來同意這件事情就是先期的評估我們先來啟動那應該高工局也可以做得到啦先期的評估我們先來啟動先來啟動 先來做OK 好 那我們就是因為我做了這個臨時提案\n運營所也做了專業的評估 認為應該要啟動這件事情對 應該要啟動所以應該沒有問題啦 局長沒有問題 這個部分沒有問題好 那就麻煩你們這個對大台中未來的整個路網的建立對台中港未來這個蓬勃發展之後交通運輸的動線其實都很重要現在麻煩大家 謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.190 --> 00:04.653\n謝謝主席,請陳部長請陳部長部長早安部長這個前瞻計畫裡面,我看了一下應該現在包括進行到第五期\n\n00:24.938 --> 00:48.595\n那其中這個前瞻計畫當中有編列補助地方政府來興建停車場那這個部分我看大概編了41億嗎?是嗎?前瞻裡面總共編補助地方政府大概編了多少錢?\n\n00:49.919 --> 01:18.428\n兩百六十億每一期嘛加起來應該是四十幾億全部加起來兩百多億那這個到目前為止這兩百多億基本上從第一期執行到第五期大概我們都已經核定要給哪一個地方政府去做哪些停車場那現在已經全部都核定了\n\n01:20.540 --> 01:35.638\n部長有沒有考慮就是以現在交通部掌握各地方停車場的空間需求在這五期通通做完之後各地方政府的需求狀況還是存在還是說已經幾乎很少了\n\n01:37.146 --> 01:54.197\n報告委員這個部分我們也認為地方的這個停車的需求其實還蠻多啦所以我們目前還有擬定一個新的計畫要向行政院來爭取預算我們希望可以再匡列一些預算讓我們可以協助地方政府來做這個停車場所以部長你感覺我也是這樣覺得啦我認為這個前瞻計畫\n\n01:57.579 --> 02:16.026\n這個五期當中編兩百多億來協助地方政府蓋停車場我認為這件事情是很重要因為民眾對於停車的需求這個當然跟過去計畫整體的發展都有關係啦但畢竟台灣現在就是這個樣子那大家對於停車的需求特別是\n\n02:16.986 --> 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