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00:02:10,698\n我們確實很努力在做這件事情,我也知道交通部很努力啦我們藍綠白立委大家都很辛苦在幫我們馬祖爭取,我非常感謝尤其我們地方政府的王中平縣長還有我們張永江議長特別要我在這邊對部長表示感謝好不好大家一起努力,謝謝另外昨天那個蒙澳港我們西舉\n\n6\n00:02:11,972 --> 00:02:32,345\n這個地方的工程看似不大,但是非常的艱鉅,它的遊客中心啟用了業局長很辛苦,早上飛過去,下午飛回來,把它啟用了但是這個島,我前幾天上島的時候,兩百多個人上去,算是非常多的人\n\n7\n00:02:33,345 --> 00:02:56,528\n最近觀光馬祖不如澎湖跟金門來的預期的那麼好,人數非常少所以民眾也抱怨,等於就是做一個旺季的時候才有人去要五六個月,可以說非常慘淡的在經營部長能不能督促風景管理處,風景管理處就是觀光署\n\n8\n00:02:59,008 --> 00:03:27,557\n這兩個島每一年增加一個景點因為阿兵哥有分析的漁區等等稍微投入一兩千萬弄個景點出來讓觀光客到那邊有的走好不好這個拜託部長你記下來我們來研究一下我們15號要去14號要去考察去馬祖考察\n\n9\n00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:46,561\n那這裡面大部分地方政府都是對交通部感謝唯一的就是北竿機場還有一點雜音何局長今天沒有來拜託部長跟何局長講簡報尤其是配套措施\n\n10\n00:03:47,386 --> 00:03:58,675\n尤其要注意好不好當然港公司委託港公司做嘛港公司規劃設計還沒有出來有一些施工的期程不是很清楚\n\n11\n00:03:59,537 --> 00:04:15,702\n那麼請他們在簡報上,對後續的噪音、一些交通的補助、對居民造成不便的這些配套,都提醒他注意一下好不好?因為這個說明會有副長可能不參加,主要是由民航局來簡報\n\n12\n00:04:18,582 --> 00:04:31,051\n還有馬祖大橋,公路局有來嗎今天?馬祖大橋那天我在總諮詢的時候,公路總局委託世西做綜合規劃綜合規劃已經也抱怨了\n\n13\n00:04:37,694 --> 00:05:03,217\n那麼這個馬祖大橋在一百年八月的時候還有一百一十一年六月一百一十一年的十二月那麼綜合規劃抱怨一百一十二年北竿的這個月裡面講說施工等到這個因為跟北竿機場有關聯嘛他要等施工的時候再來做評估\n\n14\n00:05:04,793 --> 00:05:25,195\n那麼委託連江線南北塊海大橋的規劃新建的探討報告書報告書,那麼送院目前在被查,目前在被審查交通部還沒有接到被查的程序我希望公路總局對這個部分還是緊盯的好不好\n\n15\n00:05:26,092 --> 00:05:53,674\n那另外能不能請公務總局給世襲一張韓文因為那天提到288億是你們最後的一個算出來的,是不是這樣?對,中規的報告我們是288億那麼後續院長嘴巴吐出來300多億370幾億很像這個數字是殷商那邊提出來的我想殷商提出來的數字絕對沒有世襲準確是不是請交通部再韓文給世襲\n\n16\n00:05:55,135 --> 00:06:16,377\n請他們做個精算好不好可是我們中規裡面市區已經做了精算中規裡面是288億但是他卻採用殷商的報告說300多億300多億跟200多億差很多目前我們也沒有急因為院裡面的初估的評估是要等北竿機場\n\n17\n00:06:17,774 --> 00:06:38,083\n施工的時候要來討論這件事情但是我們未雨綢繆有一些東西先把它準備好那局長可以嗎我們會這一個因為那個世襲這邊的話就是說相關的一個計算的部分我想我們會跟他討論那局長你請回齁這些拜託一下好不好弄完以後跟我回報一下齁\n\n18\n00:06:40,092 --> 00:07:02,392\n風景管理處那個橋子遊客中心,大概延宕了一兩年,都書觀光署能夠盡快把它完成橋子跟大丘的橋端那邊,頭端,那個遊客中心動作快一點馬祖現在工程很傷腦筋,錢預算來了,工程發包不出去\n\n19\n00:07:03,547 --> 00:07:13,474\n我們的中山國中就是北竿的中山國中發報多少次?發報27次發報了27次27次最後憲政委員會為什麼要妥協?因為發報不出去的話預算要繳回\n\n20\n00:07:19,636 --> 00:07:34,825\n那這個錢好不容易爭取到手啦這個肉已經到嘴巴口了,你說我們不吞下去嗎所以減相發包,勉強廠商進場所以類似的功能很多,馬祖裡面做功能是非常辛苦啦所以我拜託就是說\n\n21\n00:07:37,156 --> 00:08:01,508\n因為還有沙石的問題等等所以交通部這邊當然對我們很幫忙因為有一些是透過小三通的貨船從大陸沙石運到馬祖來因為馬祖缺工缺料很嚴重所以這個拜託交通部已經幫忙了更進一步好不好還有一個問題就是小三通我們通得非常不好\n\n22\n00:08:02,338 --> 00:08:28,087\n五一長假,你看大陸來了很多到金門去我們馬祖去寥寥無幾,倒是我們去的人比較多現在還有一個就是平潭平潭那邊要飛,平潭的船要直航台北港那當初國安的考慮是國安的考慮是什麼?國安的考慮是他們的船過來,我們沒有船過去因為要雙向\n\n23\n00:08:29,471 --> 00:08:57,591\n那現在我們也大概找了一條船,準備從台北港往平潭那這樣雙向就對等嘛這個部長回去找航港局再研究一下好不好這裡面可能還要跟陸委會磋商因為現在兩岸的形勢非常不好兩岸對峙的非常嚴重因為不是攻台了,現在在圍台嘛,氣氛很不好那我又擔心什麼呢現在台灣很多同胞、鄉親\n\n24\n00:08:59,045 --> 00:09:27,406\n去大陸比如老百姓這樣去自由行是沒有問題的如果團去的話或是比如說有一些團體去的話可能會被調查會被問話所以他們有些也不報名了就資助不全那陸客來這裡我們也不放我們也不放為什麼呢他來這邊我們都把他當匪諜我們都把他當匪諜可能是不是刺探軍情或是收買我們人心或是搞一些統戰\n\n25\n00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:46,656\n不會啦,觀光客不會把他當廢諜去年也來了三十幾萬人剛才我跟我弟弟在辦公室還在聊天趕快去大陸,不去的話以後去不了因為人都有這樣的一個心理那我們小兩會目前有沒有跟對方去接觸\n\n26\n00:09:47,489 --> 00:10:05,898\n我們有跟他們接觸,但目前他們沒有比較善意的回應沒有善意回應我上次去大陸杭州的時候跟他們聊,他們說他們希望我們小黨會跟他們提出來我們有提有嗎?我們有,我們有提那我有機會的話碰到他們的這些領導,有機會的話我也希望\n\n27\n00:10:06,798 --> 00:10:27,967\n能夠把兩岸的緊張情勢逐漸能夠緩和,但是希望你們不要把我當匪諜好不好不會啦不會啦等一下用什麼反滲透法,等下立法院幹不成沒關係,被抓起來關聯一下這一點拜託部長,能夠在兩岸旅遊的部分,公安業確實參差這個部分我還是歡迎他們來我想謝謝部長的協助\n\n28\n00:10:30,969 --> 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門去我們馬祖去寥寥無幾,倒是我們去的人比較多現在還有一個就是平潭平潭那邊要飛,平潭的船要直航台北港那當初國安的考慮是國安的考慮是什麼?國安的考慮是他們的船過來,我們沒有船過去因為要雙向\n那現在我們也大概找了一條船,準備從台北港往平潭那這樣雙向就對等嘛這個部長回去找航港局再研究一下好不好這裡面可能還要跟陸委會磋商因為現在兩岸的形勢非常不好兩岸對峙的非常嚴重因為不是攻台了,現在在圍台嘛,氣氛很不好那我又擔心什麼呢現在台灣很多同胞、鄉親\n去大陸比如老百姓這樣去自由行是沒有問題的如果團去的話或是比如說有一些團體去的話可能會被調查會被問話所以他們有些也不報名了就資助不全那陸客來這裡我們也不放我們也不放為什麼呢他來這邊我們都把他當匪諜我們都把他當匪諜可能是不是刺探軍情或是收買我們人心或是搞一些統戰\n不會啦,觀光客不會把他當廢諜去年也來了三十幾萬人剛才我跟我弟弟在辦公室還在聊天趕快去大陸,不去的話以後去不了因為人都有這樣的一個心理那我們小兩會目前有沒有跟對方去接觸\n我們有跟他們接觸,但目前他們沒有比較善意的回應沒有善意回應我上次去大陸杭州的時候跟他們聊,他們說他們希望我們小黨會跟他們提出來我們有提有嗎?我們有,我們有提那我有機會的話碰到他們的這些領導,有機會的話我也希望\n能夠把兩岸的緊張情勢逐漸能夠緩和,但是希望你們不要把我當匪諜好不好不會啦不會啦等一下用什麼反滲透法,等下立法院幹不成沒關係,被抓起來關聯一下這一點拜託部長,能夠在兩岸旅遊的部分,公安業確實參差這個部分我還是歡迎他們來我想謝謝部長的協助\n那麼就14號馬祖見,考察的時候也拜託部長多費點心好不好,你去馬祖因為沒去過幾次嘛好不好,謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.826 --> 00:25.719\n好,謝謝召委,是不是請部長請部長副長長好這個電視上都沒有看到你的名字你面帶微笑,正宗人和我看藍綠白立委對你都很像沒什麼大的意見謝謝委員恭喜那個\n\n00:26.912 --> 00:49.281\n高雄飛馬祖航線,謝謝我們許智傑召委我們共同努力,還有陳吉邁市長這個是藍綠最佳的一個典範、範例所以我昨天也致電陳培宇書記長馬祖還有很多事情我們也希望藍綠共同來合作,這個才很重要\n\n00:51.796 --> 01:16.568\n上次去高雄飛馬國航很可惜我們很辛苦我在這邊執行台執行了四年執行四年好不容易爭取到飛一班才一班當然華信很辛苦他沒有飛機沒有機師在這樣的情況之下你看又燃料油的問題我們都找了中油很多單位幫忙\n\n01:17.768 --> 01:45.681\n那部長那邊是最辛苦的幫我們努力部長有沒有機會再增加一班好不好我們現在先看運量就是說我們先一班飛飛看如果是運量很充足或者是需求大於供給的時候我們供給面當然就想辦法來增加因為這裡禮拜五的客人飛過去他沒有飛機回來是不是禮拜五飛過去如果禮拜一禮拜二有飛機回來的話這條線才叫完全打通\n\n01:47.372 --> 02:10.698\n我們確實很努力在做這件事情,我也知道交通部很努力啦我們藍綠白立委大家都很辛苦在幫我們馬祖爭取,我非常感謝尤其我們地方政府的王中平縣長還有我們張永江議長特別要我在這邊對部長表示感謝好不好大家一起努力,謝謝另外昨天那個蒙澳港我們西舉\n\n02:11.972 --> 02:32.345\n這個地方的工程看似不大,但是非常的艱鉅,它的遊客中心啟用了業局長很辛苦,早上飛過去,下午飛回來,把它啟用了但是這個島,我前幾天上島的時候,兩百多個人上去,算是非常多的人\n\n02:33.345 --> 02:56.528\n最近觀光馬祖不如澎湖跟金門來的預期的那麼好,人數非常少所以民眾也抱怨,等於就是做一個旺季的時候才有人去要五六個月,可以說非常慘淡的在經營部長能不能督促風景管理處,風景管理處就是觀光署\n\n02:59.008 --> 03:27.557\n這兩個島每一年增加一個景點因為阿兵哥有分析的漁區等等稍微投入一兩千萬弄個景點出來讓觀光客到那邊有的走好不好這個拜託部長你記下來我們來研究一下我們15號要去14號要去考察去馬祖考察\n\n03:28.700 --> 03:46.561\n那這裡面大部分地方政府都是對交通部感謝唯一的就是北竿機場還有一點雜音何局長今天沒有來拜託部長跟何局長講簡報尤其是配套措施\n\n03:47.386 --> 03:58.675\n尤其要注意好不好當然港公司委託港公司做嘛港公司規劃設計還沒有出來有一些施工的期程不是很清楚\n\n03:59.537 --> 04:15.702\n那麼請他們在簡報上,對後續的噪音、一些交通的補助、對居民造成不便的這些配套,都提醒他注意一下好不好?因為這個說明會有副長可能不參加,主要是由民航局來簡報\n\n04:18.582 --> 04:31.051\n還有馬祖大橋,公路局有來嗎今天?馬祖大橋那天我在總諮詢的時候,公路總局委託世西做綜合規劃綜合規劃已經也抱怨了\n\n04:37.694 --> 05:03.217\n那麼這個馬祖大橋在一百年八月的時候還有一百一十一年六月一百一十一年的十二月那麼綜合規劃抱怨一百一十二年北竿的這個月裡面講說施工等到這個因為跟北竿機場有關聯嘛他要等施工的時候再來做評估\n\n05:04.793 --> 05:25.195\n那麼委託連江線南北塊海大橋的規劃新建的探討報告書報告書,那麼送院目前在被查,目前在被審查交通部還沒有接到被查的程序我希望公路總局對這個部分還是緊盯的好不好\n\n05:26.092 --> 05:53.674\n那另外能不能請公務總局給世襲一張韓文因為那天提到288億是你們最後的一個算出來的,是不是這樣?對,中規的報告我們是288億那麼後續院長嘴巴吐出來300多億370幾億很像這個數字是殷商那邊提出來的我想殷商提出來的數字絕對沒有世襲準確是不是請交通部再韓文給世襲\n\n05:55.135 --> 06:16.377\n請他們做個精算好不好可是我們中規裡面市區已經做了精算中規裡面是288億但是他卻採用殷商的報告說300多億300多億跟200多億差很多目前我們也沒有急因為院裡面的初估的評估是要等北竿機場\n\n06:17.774 --> 06:38.083\n施工的時候要來討論這件事情但是我們未雨綢繆有一些東西先把它準備好那局長可以嗎我們會這一個因為那個世襲這邊的話就是說相關的一個計算的部分我想我們會跟他討論那局長你請回齁這些拜託一下好不好弄完以後跟我回報一下齁\n\n06:40.092 --> 07:02.392\n風景管理處那個橋子遊客中心,大概延宕了一兩年,都書觀光署能夠盡快把它完成橋子跟大丘的橋端那邊,頭端,那個遊客中心動作快一點馬祖現在工程很傷腦筋,錢預算來了,工程發包不出去\n\n07:03.547 --> 07:13.474\n我們的中山國中就是北竿的中山國中發報多少次?發報27次發報了27次27次最後憲政委員會為什麼要妥協?因為發報不出去的話預算要繳回\n\n07:19.636 --> 07:34.825\n那這個錢好不容易爭取到手啦這個肉已經到嘴巴口了,你說我們不吞下去嗎所以減相發包,勉強廠商進場所以類似的功能很多,馬祖裡面做功能是非常辛苦啦所以我拜託就是說\n\n07:37.156 --> 08:01.508\n因為還有沙石的問題等等所以交通部這邊當然對我們很幫忙因為有一些是透過小三通的貨船從大陸沙石運到馬祖來因為馬祖缺工缺料很嚴重所以這個拜託交通部已經幫忙了更進一步好不好還有一個問題就是小三通我們通得非常不好\n\n08:02.338 --> 08:28.087\n五一長假,你看大陸來了很多到金門去我們馬祖去寥寥無幾,倒是我們去的人比較多現在還有一個就是平潭平潭那邊要飛,平潭的船要直航台北港那當初國安的考慮是國安的考慮是什麼?國安的考慮是他們的船過來,我們沒有船過去因為要雙向\n\n08:29.471 --> 08:57.591\n那現在我們也大概找了一條船,準備從台北港往平潭那這樣雙向就對等嘛這個部長回去找航港局再研究一下好不好這裡面可能還要跟陸委會磋商因為現在兩岸的形勢非常不好兩岸對峙的非常嚴重因為不是攻台了,現在在圍台嘛,氣氛很不好那我又擔心什麼呢現在台灣很多同胞、鄉親\n\n08:59.045 --> 09:27.406\n去大陸比如老百姓這樣去自由行是沒有問題的如果團去的話或是比如說有一些團體去的話可能會被調查會被問話所以他們有些也不報名了就資助不全那陸客來這裡我們也不放我們也不放為什麼呢他來這邊我們都把他當匪諜我們都把他當匪諜可能是不是刺探軍情或是收買我們人心或是搞一些統戰\n\n09:28.530 --> 09:46.656\n不會啦,觀光客不會把他當廢諜去年也來了三十幾萬人剛才我跟我弟弟在辦公室還在聊天趕快去大陸,不去的話以後去不了因為人都有這樣的一個心理那我們小兩會目前有沒有跟對方去接觸\n\n09:47.489 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能不參加，主要是由民航局來簡報。"],["陳部長世凱：請他們做更詳細的說明。"],["陳委員雪生：還有馬祖大橋，今天公路局有來嗎？馬祖大橋那天我在總質詢的時候，公路總局委託世曦做綜合規劃，綜合規劃已經也報院了，馬祖大橋在100年8月的時候，還有111年6月、111年12月，綜合規劃報院，112年，院裡面講說施工等到……因為跟北竿機場有關聯，它說等施工的時候再評估。另委託「連江縣南北竿跨海大橋規劃興建之探討」報告書，報告書送院，目前在行政院審查，交通部還沒有接到備查的程序嘛，我希望公路總局對這個部分還是緊盯著，好不好？另外能不能請公路總局給世曦一張函文？因為那天提到288億，是你們最後算出來的，是不是這樣？"],["陳局長文瑞：對，綜規的報告我們是288億。"],["陳委員雪生：後續院長嘴巴吐出來三百多億，很像是三百七十幾億，這個數字是英商那邊提出來的，我想英商提出來的數字絕對沒有世曦準確，是不是請交通部再函文給世曦，請他們精算好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：可是我們綜規裡面世曦已經做了精算。"],["陳委員雪生：綜規裡面是288億，但是它卻採用英商的報告說三百多億，三百多億跟兩百多億差很多，目前我們也沒有急，因為院裡面的粗估評估是要等北竿機場施工的時候討論這件事情，但是我們未雨綢繆，有一些東西先把它準備好，局長可以嗎？"],["陳局長文瑞：世曦這邊相關計算的部分，我想我們會跟他們討論。"],["陳委員雪生：好，局長請回，這些拜託一下好不好？弄完以後跟我回報一下。風景管理處的橋仔遊客中心大概延宕一、兩年了，督促觀光署儘快把它完成，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：橋仔跟大坵的頭端，那個遊客中心動作快一點。馬祖現在工程很傷腦筋，錢、預算來了，工程發包不出去，我們的中山國中，就是北竿的中山國中，發包多少次？發包27次，最後縣政府為什麼要妥協呢？因為這個發包不出去的話，預算要繳回，那個錢好不容易爭取到手，肉已經到嘴巴口了，你說我們不吞下去嗎？所以減項發包，勉強廠商進場。類似的工程很多，馬祖那邊做工程非常辛苦，所以我拜託，因為還有砂石的問題等等。交通部這邊當然對我們很幫忙，有一些是透過小三通的貨船從大陸運砂石到馬祖來，馬祖缺工缺料很嚴重，所以拜託交通部，已經幫忙了，再更進一步好不好？","還有一個問題就是小三通我們通得非常不好，五一長假你看大陸來了很多到金門去，我們馬祖寥寥無幾，倒是我們去的人比較多。現在還有一個就是平潭，平潭的船要直航臺北港，當初國安的考慮是什麼呢？國安的考慮是他們的船過來，我們沒有船過去，因為要雙向嘛！但現在我們也大概找了一條船，準備從臺北港往平潭，這樣雙向就對等嘛！部長回去找航港局再研究一下好不好？這裡面可能還要跟陸委會磋商啦，因為現在兩岸的情勢非常不好啊！兩岸對峙得非常嚴重，因為不是攻臺了，現在在圍臺嘛！是不是？氣氛很不好，那我又擔心什麼呢？現在臺灣很多同胞、鄉親去大陸，比如老百姓這樣去自由行沒有問題，如果團去的話，或是比如說有一些團體去的話，可能會被調查、會被問話，所以他們有些也不報名了，就躊躇不前。陸客來這裡咧？我們也不放，為什麼咧？他來這邊我們都把他當匪諜啊！可能是不是刺探軍情或是收買我們人心或是搞一些統戰。"],["陳部長世凱：不會啦，不會把觀光客當匪諜。"],["陳委員雪生：所以這個兩岸的問題……"],["陳部長世凱：去年也來了三十幾萬人。"],["陳委員雪生：剛才我跟我弟弟在辦公室還在聊天，趕快去大陸，不去的話以後去不了了，因為人都有這樣的一個心理嘛！小兩會目前有沒有跟對方去接觸？"],["陳部長世凱：我們有跟他們接觸，但目前他們沒有比較善意的回應。"],["陳委員雪生：沒有善意回應啊？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：我上次去大陸杭州的時候，跟他們聊，他們說希望我們小兩會跟他們提出來。"],["陳部長世凱：我們有提啊！"],["陳委員雪生：有嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我們有，我們有提。"],["陳委員雪生：好，我碰到他們的這些領導，有機會的話，我也希望能夠把兩岸的緊張情勢逐漸緩和，但是希望你們不要把我當匪諜好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：不會啦！"],["陳委員雪生：會不會？"],["陳部長世凱：不會。"],["陳委員雪生：用什麼反滲透法，等一下人家立法委員幹不成沒關係，被抓起來關了一下。這一點拜託部長，能夠在兩岸旅遊的部分努力，因為觀光業最近很慘。"],["陳部長世凱：這個部分還是歡迎他們來。"],["陳委員雪生：謝謝部長的協助，那麼就14號馬祖見，好不好？考察的時候也拜託部長多費點心，好不好？你去馬祖……因為沒去過幾次嘛！好不好？謝謝部長。"],["陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員，謝謝。"],["陳委員雪生：好，謝謝召委。"],["主席：好，謝謝，我們請陳素月委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":162,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-23-10","speakers":["許智傑","洪孟楷","李昆澤","張啓楷","黃健豪","徐富癸","蔡其昌","林俊憲","陳雪生","陳素月","魯明哲","何欣純","邱若華","廖先翔","鍾佳濱","林宜瑾","黃捷","林國成","林月琴","張雅琳","楊瓊瓔","李坤城","涂權吉","蘇清泉","游顥","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":91,"meetingDate":["2025-05-08"],"gazette_id":"1144701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144701_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部及教育部就「人本交通」及「交通安全」施行狀況進行專題\n報告，並備質詢；二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計\n2案","agenda_id":"1144701_00003"}}}