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00:03:01,835\n是朝藥社的方向那但是在祖田基金如果順利之後他會不會排擠到現行的其他各項的這個基金來源就證如剛剛央行我們一直在聽取的從以前\n\n10\n00:03:04,016 --> 00:03:19,008\n他們所謂的還不是很贊成到現在也是模糊的空間所以這其中還是有很多必須要去釐清楚跟論述所以特別強大也就是說成立之後會不會排擠到現行的各項的基金財源\n\n11\n00:03:23,792 --> 00:03:45,769\n如果是從現在其他國家的經驗來看主權基金他投資的方向除了國內的市場之外他最主要著重的是國際市場所以在這種情況之下目前的四大基金大概比較著重的是國內的市場所以基本上應該是會相輔相成不會有互相矛盾的問題\n\n12\n00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:49,615\n不會有矛盾的這個問題那請教次長在這個議題當中你們設定的KPI時間點會預估落點在什麼時候設或者是不設\n\n13\n00:03:59,909 --> 00:04:17,895\n這個跟委員報告基本上我們要配合行政院的政策基本上我們財政部沒辦法因為這是跨部會的事因為你們都參與其中在討論嗎對這跨部會的事所以還沒有定點在什麼時間要配合行政院的政策配合行政院的政策好李警衛最後本期邀請央行\n\n14\n00:04:29,238 --> 00:04:35,262\n我本席辦公室在兩週前就已經關切的我們外資的這個熱錢進出台灣市場的潛在異常情況當時詢問關於整個資金流動的監理作為一直到了5月6號您終於說了已發現突應的蹤跡\n\n15\n00:04:52,415 --> 00:05:07,165\n而且他出去時是慢吞吞那外匯的這個蔡局長他也進一步表示近期有針對於保管銀行以及遠期外匯避險廠商啟動了全面的一個徹查\n\n16\n00:05:08,306 --> 00:05:34,664\n那麼央郎本身你也掌控了熱錢流入流出的即時動態那在即時介入防範這個草匯套利跟違反的停泊行為那反觀本席在兩週前就已經提示出但是我們到現在才啟動專案精檢那是不是我們整個在制度面裡頭有明顯的這個落後請說明\n\n17\n00:05:38,367 --> 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