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00:00:43,798\n總裁好辛苦了早上到現在因為這個議題太重要了就叫總裁總裁我們新台幣對美元的匯率從4月24號的32.529一路走到5月5號昨天的收盤價昨天是30.295元已經升值超過兩塊\n\n3\n00:00:50,340 --> 00:01:11,846\n總裁也在5月5號下午召開記者會做出七點說明表示說最近新台幣的匯率的急劇波動主要的原因是因為外資匯入資金投資台股以及廠商因新台幣升值的預期心理而增加美元的供給\n\n4\n00:01:13,866 --> 00:01:32,011\n總裁你知不知道我們中華民國的央行跟其他國家的央行最獨特的差異是什麼可能你不知道我告訴你答案那就是中華民國的央行也是雙總裁制\n\n5\n00:01:33,592 --> 00:01:48,160\n那怎麼說呢因為我看到你在5月5號記者會後我們的總統啊另外一位總裁啊也就是賴清德總統啊他不落你後他接著發布了五點談話總裁你了解我們賴總統五點談話的內容嗎\n\n6\n00:01:52,743 --> 00:02:17,583\n你了解他五點談話的內容嗎後來我也稍微有看了一下稍微了解了我也稍微看了一下我想主要總統在五點談話中說新台幣最近的急劇升值其中一個原因就是因為有政治人物竟然鎖定匯率議題來炒作導致市場被誤導\n\n7\n00:02:18,624 --> 00:02:41,851\n以及非理性的預期心理總統這樣說總裁我看您發布的七點談話中並沒有談到這一點什麼政治人物介入來談論匯率炒作的議題所以總統的這個話不在你的七點的說明之中\n\n8\n00:02:42,971 --> 00:03:10,445\n這是我們央行分析的疏漏還是根本沒有這個原因存在總統亂講的我跟委員說明一下剛剛你講到的就是說有兩位總裁我也覺得很驚訝那個就是說有兩個總裁那不所以我就說有一點你這個好像有一個暗示\n\n9\n00:03:11,980 --> 00:03:37,971\n就我的解讀啊你的暗示就是說周恩來的總裁他背後有一個指揮他的另外一個總裁要是讓新來幣貶就貶讓他新來幣升就升我在這個場合呢我跟委員鄭重的聲明絕對沒有這回事絕對沒有這回事\n\n10\n00:03:41,414 --> 00:03:58,942\n那我請教你就總統這個談話那他講說是有政治人物就匯率的議題決定匯率議題來炒作那我請教你因為你的七點談話裡面沒有那你看到哪一位政治人物在炒作匯率的議題\n\n11\n00:03:59,682 --> 00:04:16,640\n我跟委員報告就是說因為在炒作的不是說炒作啦我就說是市場所以我們用說市場評論人因為每一個都可以當作市場評論人不是政治人物嗎這要講清楚啊沒有政治人物嘛你回答我\n\n12\n00:04:23,085 --> 00:04:40,849\n應該我是覺得就是說只要就說是評論了這個評論了這個這個議題的話呢那都是包括在我們的這個市場評論人員是啊對那你也沒看到政治人物吧是誰是誰我們沒有沒有看到吧我們沒有任何政治人物去炒這個會議\n\n13\n00:04:43,891 --> 00:05:09,892\n所以我其實我會這樣暗示我是要告訴那個總裁總統似乎不應該去干預這樣的央行的獨立性他去講說這個匯率炒作是因為有政治人物炒作你總統的層級你去干預央行的整個對匯率的這個整個判斷要如何來這個穩定我們的匯率總統他要出來說明他要出來講話嗎\n\n14\n00:05:11,954 --> 00:05:20,703\n他要干預你嗎?他要暗示你嗎?這個就是說委員的一個解讀要尊重央行的超然地位剛剛我也已經就說鄭重的一個聲明沒有兩位總裁啦這個一直到這裡了謝謝總裁我想我也看到\n\n15\n00:05:34,296 --> 00:05:54,615\n當新台幣兌美元在5月5號早上升破30元的時候登日最高是29.59下午我們央行才終於出來對外喊話那本席可不可以認定新台幣兌美元匯價的洋金融防線就是30元\n\n16\n00:05:56,632 --> 00:06:00,414\n我剛剛就有一個委員在提到這個就說彭懷蘭彭懷蘭彭懷蘭彭懷蘭的黃線我也就說我從來沒有聽我們前總裁呢他提到他有他的\n\n17\n00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:39,099\n他的防線你的因為我現在觀察他不一樣那然後呢就是說你的你的那我現在我在這邊回答的時候呢我也就否定了就是說確實都沒有什麼防線這樣啦我更具體的問你啦就是到今年年底到年底喔我們央行啊對這個新台幣的美元的匯價匯率價的紅燈底線是否就是1比30\n\n18\n00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:54,375\n我一直在強調就是說中央銀行不能報名牌事實上這個名牌也不是真的是名牌不能讓匯率一直波動因為匯率是由供需來決定\n\n19\n00:07:03,078 --> 00:07:08,901\n供需來決定那中央銀行適時的做一些調節讓匯率能夠動態穩定我們的職者就是這樣子所以呢你要講到就是說是要升到哪裡啦或是貶到哪裡啊Whoknows\n\n20\n00:07:21,966 --> 00:07:41,158\n今天大家會有這個疑慮因為我們看到這一次的這個匯率突然的會升值那麼快大家一個疑慮喔是不是央行啊你是不是一開始就一路的開綠燈只是你沒有想到說竟然衝破30的這樣一個紅燈的底線你才出手來阻止\n\n21\n00:07:43,739 --> 00:08:12,429\n我還是一直在強調的就是說就是因為他的預期心理太強烈了那專案銀行呢就是說我們有事實調整但是呢這個事實調整呢就是說這個調整呢就是說是因為就預期心理太過強烈了但是呢我說事後我們看這個結果但是呢就是說是當然就是說是市場的一個shock\n\n22\n00:08:14,290 --> 00:08:36,480\n兩塊錢但是下來了以後呢我們總覺得我們中央銀行的一個我們中央銀行因為就是說這個能量已經釋放出去了就是說預期心理已經釋放了所以我們的操作就比較它的供需是接近於平衡我們的操作就比較比較比較容易其實你一直沒有回答我的問題你認為新台幣的對美元的匯率到底你的底線\n\n23\n00:08:42,063 --> 00:08:46,628\n所以我就說這個不是在報名牌啊所以我剛剛在回答另外一個委員的時候我就說最好就是說\n\n24\n00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:09,223\n因為委員是重要的人物你的意願都足以影響這個會事好啦總裁好這可能如果說委員你如果說繼續再講下去市場還是因為你不講了市場還是繼續在議題好啦這問題到這裡就好了就讓大家去猜吧\n\n25\n00:09:20,786 --> 00:09:36,537\n另外我們看到新台幣走深這個議題總裁你表示說美國沒有提出要求沒有沒有沒有絕對沒有我剛剛在第一個就是說我在澄清然後一個聲明我就一直在講就說絕對沒有你聽我問你的問題\n\n26\n00:09:39,639 --> 00:10:01,954\n賴總統他也表示說台美關稅談判沒有觸及匯率的議題但主任長他昨天在總諮詢的時候他卻說台美關稅談判可能列匯率為談判的範圍喔說可能喔因為因為喔那列立定我現在就問你的立場所以我要我也藉這個機會來說明你是拒絕還是會派人去我跟問我們\n\n27\n00:10:09,339 --> 00:10:25,872\n因為美國的匯率報告我們是跟他討論的對象所以我們基本上我們每年都會最少都是會有兩次的一個討論討論的內容是什麼討論的內容就是說全球的總體經濟環境是怎麼樣\n\n28\n00:10:32,717 --> 00:10:45,990\n美國的經濟情況是怎麼樣台灣的經濟情況是怎麼樣那匯率的情況是怎麼樣大概就是這樣子我們是每年匯率的議題每年都會討論會會會我們都是正式因關稅談判嘛所以我看的一個議題裡面報告就是說\n\n29\n00:10:54,438 --> 00:10:59,963\n剛好就這個時候有你剛才怎麼講剛好就這個時候就關稅的談判才會沒有沒有我就說意思就是說事實上這個是Regular是經常性的啦對啦是正常性的啦\n\n30\n00:11:10,773 --> 00:11:28,445\n我們每年都是兩次最少是兩次那我們隨時都會可以跟他來溝通的有利於我們國人有利於中小企業的各種規定的控制我還在強調就是說中央銀行跟美國財政部我們的溝通都是非常的順暢好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2715\t10057\t謝謝主席總裁先喝口水啦你明天出現 明天慢慢來OK好 我們請楊總裁楊總裁請\n24692\t43798\t總裁好 辛苦了 早上到現在因為這個議題太重要了 就叫總裁總裁 我們新台幣對美元的匯率從4月24號的32.529 一路走到5月5號昨天的收盤價 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knows\n441966\t461158\t今天大家會有這個疑慮因為我們看到這一次的這個匯率突然的會升值那麼快大家一個疑慮喔是不是央行啊你是不是一開始就一路的開綠燈只是你沒有想到說竟然衝破30的這樣一個紅燈的底線你才出手來阻止\n463739\t492429\t我還是一直在強調的就是說就是因為他的預期心理太強烈了那專案銀行呢就是說我們有事實調整但是呢這個事實調整呢就是說這個調整呢就是說是因為就預期心理太過強烈了但是呢我說事後我們看這個結果但是呢就是說是當然就是說是市場的一個shock\n494290\t516480\t兩塊錢但是下來了以後呢我們總覺得我們中央銀行的一個我們中央銀行因為就是說這個能量已經釋放出去了就是說預期心理已經釋放了所以我們的操作就比較它的供需是接近於平衡我們的操作就比較比較比較容易其實你一直沒有回答我的問題你認為新台幣的對美元的匯率到底你的底線\n522063\t526628\t所以我就說這個不是在報名牌啊所以我剛剛在回答另外一個委員的時候我就說最好就是說\n538300\t549223\t因為委員是重要的人物 你的意願都足以影響這個會事好啦總裁好這可能如果說委員你如果說繼續再講下去市場還是因為你不講了市場還是繼續在議題好啦 這問題到這裡就好了就讓大家去猜吧\n560786\t576537\t另外我們看到新台幣走深這個議題總裁你表示說美國沒有提出要求沒有沒有沒有絕對沒有我剛剛在第一個就是說我在澄清然後一個聲明我就一直在講就說絕對沒有你聽我問你的問題\n579639\t601954\t賴總統他也表示說台美關稅談判沒有觸及匯率的議題但主任長他昨天在總諮詢的時候他卻說台美關稅談判可能列匯率為談判的範圍喔說可能喔因為因為喔那列立定我現在就問你的立場所以我要我也藉這個機會來說明你是拒絕還是會派人去我跟問我們\n609339\t625872\t因為美國的匯率報告我們是跟他討論的對象所以我們基本上我們每年都會最少都是會有兩次的一個討論討論的內容是什麼討論的內容就是說全球的總體經濟環境是怎麼樣\n632717\t645990\t美國的經濟情況是怎麼樣台灣的經濟情況是怎麼樣那匯率的情況是怎麼樣大概就是這樣子我們是每年匯率的議題每年都會討論會 會 會我們都是正式因關稅談判嘛所以我看的一個議題裡面報告就是說\n654438\t659963\t剛好就這個時候有你剛才怎麼講剛好就這個時候就關稅的談判才會沒有沒有我就說意思就是說事實上這個是Regular是經常性的啦對啦是正常性的啦\n670773\t688445\t我們每年都是兩次 最少是兩次那我們隨時都會可以跟他來溝通的有利於我們國人 有利於中小企業的各種規定的控制我還在強調就是說 中央銀行跟美國財政部我們的溝通都是非常的順暢好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席總裁先喝口水啦你明天出現 明天慢慢來OK好 我們請楊總裁楊總裁請\n總裁好 辛苦了 早上到現在因為這個議題太重要了 就叫總裁總裁 我們新台幣對美元的匯率從4月24號的32.529 一路走到5月5號昨天的收盤價 昨天是30.295元已經升值超過兩塊\n總裁也在5月5號下午召開記者會做出七點說明表示說最近新台幣的匯率的急劇波動主要的原因是因為外資匯入資金投資台股以及廠商因新台幣升值的預期心理而增加美元的供給\n總裁你知不知道我們中華民國的央行跟其他國家的央行最獨特的差異是什麼可能你不知道我告訴你答案那就是中華民國的央行也是雙總裁制\n那怎麼說呢因為我看到你在5月5號記者會後我們的總統啊另外一位總裁啊也就是賴清德總統啊他不落你後他接著發布了五點談話總裁你了解我們賴總統五點談話的內容嗎\n你了解他五點談話的內容嗎後來我也稍微有看了一下稍微了解了我也稍微看了一下我想主要總統在五點談話中說新台幣最近的急劇升值其中一個原因就是因為有政治人物竟然鎖定匯率議題來炒作導致市場被誤導\n以及非理性的預期心理總統這樣說總裁我看您發布的七點談話中並沒有談到這一點什麼政治人物介入來談論匯率炒作的議題所以總統的這個話不在你的七點的說明之中\n這是我們央行分析的疏漏還是根本沒有這個原因存在總統亂講的我跟委員說明一下剛剛你講到的就是說有兩位總裁我也覺得很驚訝那個就是說有兩個總裁那不 所以我就說有一點你這個好像有一個暗示\n就我的解讀啊你的暗示就是說周恩來的總裁他背後有一個指揮他的另外一個總裁要是讓新來幣貶就貶讓他新來幣升就升我在這個場合呢我跟委員鄭重的聲明絕對沒有這回事絕對沒有這回事\n那我請教你就總統這個談話那他講說是有政治人物就匯率的議題決定匯率議題來炒作那我請教你因為你的七點談話裡面沒有那你看到哪一位政治人物在炒作匯率的議題\n我跟委員報告就是說因為在炒作的 不是說炒作啦我就說是市場 所以我們用說市場評論人因為每一個都可以當作市場評論人不是政治人物嗎 這要講清楚啊沒有政治人物嘛 你回答我\n應該我是覺得就是說只要就說是評論了這個評論了這個這個議題的話呢那都是包括在我們的這個市場評論人員是啊對那你也沒看到政治人物吧是誰是誰我們沒有沒有看到吧我們沒有任何政治人物去炒這個會議\n所以我其實我會這樣暗示我是要告訴那個總裁總統似乎不應該去干預這樣的央行的獨立性他去講說這個匯率炒作是因為有政治人物炒作你總統的層級你去干預央行的整個對匯率的這個整個判斷要如何來這個穩定我們的匯率總統他要出來說明他要出來講話嗎\n他要干預你嗎?他要暗示你嗎?這個就是說委員的一個解讀要尊重央行的超然地位剛剛我也已經就說鄭重的一個聲明沒有兩位總裁啦這個一直到這裡了 謝謝總裁我想我也看到\n當新台幣兌美元在5月5號早上升破30元的時候登日最高是29.59下午我們央行才終於出來對外喊話那本席可不可以認定新台幣兌美元匯價的洋金融防線就是30元\n我剛剛就有一個委員在提到這個就說彭懷蘭彭懷蘭彭懷蘭彭懷蘭的黃線我也就說我從來沒有聽我們前總裁呢他提到他有他的\n他的防線你的 因為我現在觀察他不一樣那然後呢就是說 你的 你的那我現在我在這邊回答的時候呢我也就否定了就是說確實都沒有什麼防線這樣啦 我更具體的問你啦就是到今年年底 到年底喔我們央行啊對這個新台幣的美元的匯價 匯率價的紅燈底線是否就是1比30\n我一直在強調就是說中央銀行不能報名牌事實上這個名牌也不是真的是名牌不能讓匯率一直波動因為匯率是由供需來決定\n供需來決定那中央銀行適時的做一些調節讓匯率能夠動態穩定我們的職者就是這樣子所以呢你要講到就是說是要升到哪裡啦或是貶到哪裡啊Who knows\n今天大家會有這個疑慮因為我們看到這一次的這個匯率突然的會升值那麼快大家一個疑慮喔是不是央行啊你是不是一開始就一路的開綠燈只是你沒有想到說竟然衝破30的這樣一個紅燈的底線你才出手來阻止\n我還是一直在強調的就是說就是因為他的預期心理太強烈了那專案銀行呢就是說我們有事實調整但是呢這個事實調整呢就是說這個調整呢就是說是因為就預期心理太過強烈了但是呢我說事後我們看這個結果但是呢就是說是當然就是說是市場的一個shock\n兩塊錢但是下來了以後呢我們總覺得我們中央銀行的一個我們中央銀行因為就是說這個能量已經釋放出去了就是說預期心理已經釋放了所以我們的操作就比較它的供需是接近於平衡我們的操作就比較比較比較容易其實你一直沒有回答我的問題你認為新台幣的對美元的匯率到底你的底線\n所以我就說這個不是在報名牌啊所以我剛剛在回答另外一個委員的時候我就說最好就是說\n因為委員是重要的人物 你的意願都足以影響這個會事好啦總裁好這可能如果說委員你如果說繼續再講下去市場還是因為你不講了市場還是繼續在議題好啦 這問題到這裡就好了就讓大家去猜吧\n另外我們看到新台幣走深這個議題總裁你表示說美國沒有提出要求沒有沒有沒有絕對沒有我剛剛在第一個就是說我在澄清然後一個聲明我就一直在講就說絕對沒有你聽我問你的問題\n賴總統他也表示說台美關稅談判沒有觸及匯率的議題但主任長他昨天在總諮詢的時候他卻說台美關稅談判可能列匯率為談判的範圍喔說可能喔因為因為喔那列立定我現在就問你的立場所以我要我也藉這個機會來說明你是拒絕還是會派人去我跟問我們\n因為美國的匯率報告我們是跟他討論的對象所以我們基本上我們每年都會最少都是會有兩次的一個討論討論的內容是什麼討論的內容就是說全球的總體經濟環境是怎麼樣\n美國的經濟情況是怎麼樣台灣的經濟情況是怎麼樣那匯率的情況是怎麼樣大概就是這樣子我們是每年匯率的議題每年都會討論會 會 會我們都是正式因關稅談判嘛所以我看的一個議題裡面報告就是說\n剛好就這個時候有你剛才怎麼講剛好就這個時候就關稅的談判才會沒有沒有我就說意思就是說事實上這個是Regular是經常性的啦對啦是正常性的啦\n我們每年都是兩次 最少是兩次那我們隨時都會可以跟他來溝通的有利於我們國人 有利於中小企業的各種規定的控制我還在強調就是說 中央銀行跟美國財政部我們的溝通都是非常的順暢好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.715 --> 00:10.057\n謝謝主席總裁先喝口水啦你明天出現明天慢慢來OK好我們請楊總裁楊總裁請\n\n00:24.692 --> 00:43.798\n總裁好辛苦了早上到現在因為這個議題太重要了就叫總裁總裁我們新台幣對美元的匯率從4月24號的32.529一路走到5月5號昨天的收盤價昨天是30.295元已經升值超過兩塊\n\n00:50.340 --> 01:11.846\n總裁也在5月5號下午召開記者會做出七點說明表示說最近新台幣的匯率的急劇波動主要的原因是因為外資匯入資金投資台股以及廠商因新台幣升值的預期心理而增加美元的供給\n\n01:13.866 --> 01:32.011\n總裁你知不知道我們中華民國的央行跟其他國家的央行最獨特的差異是什麼可能你不知道我告訴你答案那就是中華民國的央行也是雙總裁制\n\n01:33.592 --> 01:48.160\n那怎麼說呢因為我看到你在5月5號記者會後我們的總統啊另外一位總裁啊也就是賴清德總統啊他不落你後他接著發布了五點談話總裁你了解我們賴總統五點談話的內容嗎\n\n01:52.743 --> 02:17.583\n你了解他五點談話的內容嗎後來我也稍微有看了一下稍微了解了我也稍微看了一下我想主要總統在五點談話中說新台幣最近的急劇升值其中一個原因就是因為有政治人物竟然鎖定匯率議題來炒作導致市場被誤導\n\n02:18.624 --> 02:41.851\n以及非理性的預期心理總統這樣說總裁我看您發布的七點談話中並沒有談到這一點什麼政治人物介入來談論匯率炒作的議題所以總統的這個話不在你的七點的說明之中\n\n02:42.971 --> 03:10.445\n這是我們央行分析的疏漏還是根本沒有這個原因存在總統亂講的我跟委員說明一下剛剛你講到的就是說有兩位總裁我也覺得很驚訝那個就是說有兩個總裁那不所以我就說有一點你這個好像有一個暗示\n\n03:11.980 --> 03:37.971\n就我的解讀啊你的暗示就是說周恩來的總裁他背後有一個指揮他的另外一個總裁要是讓新來幣貶就貶讓他新來幣升就升我在這個場合呢我跟委員鄭重的聲明絕對沒有這回事絕對沒有這回事\n\n03:41.414 --> 03:58.942\n那我請教你就總統這個談話那他講說是有政治人物就匯率的議題決定匯率議題來炒作那我請教你因為你的七點談話裡面沒有那你看到哪一位政治人物在炒作匯率的議題\n\n03:59.682 --> 04:16.640\n我跟委員報告就是說因為在炒作的不是說炒作啦我就說是市場所以我們用說市場評論人因為每一個都可以當作市場評論人不是政治人物嗎這要講清楚啊沒有政治人物嘛你回答我\n\n04:23.085 --> 04:40.849\n應該我是覺得就是說只要就說是評論了這個評論了這個這個議題的話呢那都是包括在我們的這個市場評論人員是啊對那你也沒看到政治人物吧是誰是誰我們沒有沒有看到吧我們沒有任何政治人物去炒這個會議\n\n04:43.891 --> 05:09.892\n所以我其實我會這樣暗示我是要告訴那個總裁總統似乎不應該去干預這樣的央行的獨立性他去講說這個匯率炒作是因為有政治人物炒作你總統的層級你去干預央行的整個對匯率的這個整個判斷要如何來這個穩定我們的匯率總統他要出來說明他要出來講話嗎\n\n05:11.954 --> 05:20.703\n他要干預你嗎?他要暗示你嗎?這個就是說委員的一個解讀要尊重央行的超然地位剛剛我也已經就說鄭重的一個聲明沒有兩位總裁啦這個一直到這裡了謝謝總裁我想我也看到\n\n05:34.296 --> 05:54.615\n當新台幣兌美元在5月5號早上升破30元的時候登日最高是29.59下午我們央行才終於出來對外喊話那本席可不可以認定新台幣兌美元匯價的洋金融防線就是30元\n\n05:56.632 --> 06:00.414\n我剛剛就有一個委員在提到這個就說彭懷蘭彭懷蘭彭懷蘭彭懷蘭的黃線我也就說我從來沒有聽我們前總裁呢他提到他有他的\n\n06:13.740 --> 06:39.099\n他的防線你的因為我現在觀察他不一樣那然後呢就是說你的你的那我現在我在這邊回答的時候呢我也就否定了就是說確實都沒有什麼防線這樣啦我更具體的問你啦就是到今年年底到年底喔我們央行啊對這個新台幣的美元的匯價匯率價的紅燈底線是否就是1比30\n\n06:42.290 --> 06:54.375\n我一直在強調就是說中央銀行不能報名牌事實上這個名牌也不是真的是名牌不能讓匯率一直波動因為匯率是由供需來決定\n\n07:03.078 --> 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