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00:02:48,276\n這個唯一的標準那未來在改善入口的時候呢會變成是明明就沒有大娘什麼穿在孩子的身上還是說孩子穿大娘什麼就類似這樣的事情發生這個我希望能夠跟\n\n9\n00:02:48,996 --> 00:03:06,093\n地方政府多做溝通啦這第一個為什麼會關心交通因為呢交通是基礎建設那也是要維護我們國人的人身安全甚至的不是只有國人包括國際觀光客我想我們這個行人地域這樣子的一個\n\n10\n00:03:07,134 --> 00:03:31,019\n封號是國際媒體給我們的,我覺得那是一個恥辱,我們應該要改善,沒錯但是我們要維護這個交通的安全,那我們就要友善行人那要友善行人,那我們要發展觀光部長,你也是台中人,你如果帶國際友人要來台中,你會帶他去哪裡?台中啊?對啊\n\n11\n00:03:31,783 --> 00:03:45,153\n台中一中商圈我是比較喜歡去的地方光夜市一中商圈我喜歡吃小吃所以我會帶去我已經不小心給你了一個這樣子的list所以你會這樣子來回答\n\n12\n00:03:47,074 --> 00:04:14,174\n一中商圈呢說真的我也喜歡去年輕朋友也喜歡去國際觀光客也喜歡去但是以台中來講我們有很多的美景美食還有很多的地方好山好水但是以過去112年我們十大觀光的油氣區的時候我們都還有三個一中商圈草屋道逢甲夜市都侷限在原市區是\n\n13\n00:04:15,615 --> 00:04:32,128\n到了113年我們只剩下一個一中商圈排在全台灣的前十大而且還在第十名那也都局限在原市區那部長你來自大烏龍海線海線有很多的\n\n14\n00:04:33,853 --> 00:04:50,314\n美景嘛那比如說高美實地是國際級的觀賞落日的地方人山人海很多人都會去但是我就要跟你講我們提升觀光品質怎麼做第二個我們的景點之間的一個道路\n\n15\n00:04:51,255 --> 00:05:17,486\n交通又要如何銜接跟改善我知道這是地方政府的事也許你會這樣回答我但是如果站在中央的角度如何讓台灣成為是一個觀光的一個最好的一個國家讓國際觀光客願意選擇來台灣觀光那進來台灣之後又願意選擇台中來觀光我想這個是中央跟地方大家要一起努力的對不對\n\n16\n00:05:18,246 --> 00:05:37,470\n對沒錯我們也跟地方政府其實一直都有在配合可是我就要提醒你一件事我非常肯定也謝謝你譬如說在機場你有這樣子的旅客中心但是呢從機場到高美濕地你知道怎麼搭公車嗎這個我沒有體驗過不曉得沒有公車是要轉車轉好幾次我們也沒有那個shuttlebus\n\n17\n00:05:46,744 --> 00:05:54,354\n我只是提醒我們可以做什麼那從高鐵站怎麼到高梅斯蒂應該也是要轉車轉好幾次\n\n18\n00:05:59,086 --> 00:06:21,305\n報告委員其實在交通面我們有台灣好行,觀光署還有台灣好行在各個縣市我們都透過台灣好行去串接景點之間今天雖然觀光署沒有來,但是因為今天在討論交通嘛那我就說交通跟觀光的連結是互相都非常必要的嘛,不僅僅是國人要去觀光\n\n19\n00:06:22,206 --> 00:06:41,025\n要去景點國際觀光客尤其現在自由行的散客越來越多而且我認為絕大部分自由行的散客那自由行的散客我們要規劃的就是觀光路線跟交通安全那交通裡面的道路系統又如何銜接我們的這個觀光景點\n\n20\n00:06:43,288 --> 00:06:57,674\n報告委員我這樣說交通部有台灣好行可以協助地方政府但那只是一部分真正的市區的串接它的公共運輸市區公車市政府要想辦法趕快把它建置更完整\n\n21\n00:06:58,234 --> 00:07:24,313\n那它的建制的過程當中我們公路局其實也在經費上給予很多的補助那我們也希望地方政府要積極一點不可能全部都靠我觀光署的台灣好行去串接到所有例如說舉例來講台中不可能所有都是透過我台灣好行來串接那台中市政府它的這個公共運輸跟它的客運系統自己要建制起來如果未來我可以的時候我也要請交通部來幫忙台中市政府可以嗎\n\n22\n00:07:24,980 --> 00:07:33,890\n可以啊可以啊我們到現在你一定可以的啦未來有機會的話我們一定在觀光署的部分台灣好險還是會做所以我們現在可以開始來討論啊部長你也是台中人啊對不對那我是台中在地的立委\n\n23\n00:07:40,057 --> 00:08:05,322\n那我也想為台中這個城市做更多事那我們發現的這些問題我們可不可以先開始來進行我們如何來解決如何來改善而且呢觀光跟交通是存此相依而且不是國人的人身安全而已還是國際觀光客對台灣對台中的一個印象我們的城市印象不能是不安全的啊台灣也不能讓國際觀光客認為是不安全的啊\n\n24\n00:08:08,243 --> 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