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00:01:53,191\n確認啦就是違規的部分我們是不是要更嚴謹的去檢視這部分那麻煩我們的交通部跟警政署這樣子的樣態去更嚴謹的去檢視價值有沒有違規好不好這兩點以上麻煩謝謝那組長你先回沒關係\n\n7\n00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:13,464\n好那部長我今天要跟您也是討論道路交通安全規則那只是我要跟您討論是第99條第一項我們剛剛投影片我們的文字啦那也請我們運安會請我們講錯了運研所陳所長\n\n8\n00:02:17,844 --> 00:02:32,290\n一統那針對第99條的部分我想先聽我們交通單位的說文解釋我們是怎麼樣子的理解他這樣子的一個條我們看是部長要說明還是你要交給幕僚單位來說明市長來說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:35,944 --> 00:02:53,258\n這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下道安規則99條基本上是機車行駛車道的相關的規定那在這個第一項索文裡面就是機車行駛的車道應依標誌標線的規定來行駛那如果沒有標誌標線的話才會有後面通則的一個規定\n\n10\n00:02:53,738 --> 00:03:15,738\n那所以就是說這條的規定為什麼會有後面通則的規定就是說可能基於行政成本或等等的部分的話沒有就是說在每一條道路沒有辦法去畫標示標線而且這個交通環境比較單純的情況之下不需要特別用標示標線來做處理的時候所以才會有後面的通則規定那目前以\n\n11\n00:03:16,618 --> 00:03:43,858\n國內的一個這個情況的話大概就是說像都會區的話大概所有大陸的車道大概這個對於這個不管是汽車或機車使用的車道大概都透過標誌標線的一個方式來所以有標誌標線就是依標誌標線在規範嘛那假設我們現在有三個車道嘛那如果說三個車道他都沒有做進行機車的標示那機車行駛在最內側的車道\n\n12\n00:03:45,379 --> 00:04:14,227\n他到底有沒有違規跟這個這一個我也報告一下目前大概就是說如果說這個三個這個車道的話然後都沒有標示這個進行機車就是他沒有標誌或者是標限規定你不能騎機車嘛沒有進行機車的話基本上機車應該都可以這個行駛啦可以行駛沒有沒有標誌標限的情況下那他沒有特別所寫禁止的話那原則上\n\n13\n00:04:14,867 --> 00:04:33,884\n就是可以的嗎但是現在大概就是三個車道以上的話那大部分大概都內側車道大概都會化進行機車道好沒關係我講的就是剛剛我問的就是如果三個車道的話那如果說都沒有標籤進行機車的話原則上機車行駛每個車道他都是沒有違規的對不對\n\n14\n00:04:36,347 --> 00:04:59,746\n後面還有這個第二款的部分還有這個快慢車道的一個這個對如果說有快慢車道那當然慢車道他也會是一個樣態嘛好那就這樣的情況下來說我們的地方政府他要怎麼的來看這個解釋我們的道安交通規則的第99條他是給地方政府去劃這個\n\n15\n00:05:02,208 --> 00:05:03,271\n標誌表現的一個依據還是給我們機車駕駛行駛的一個參考的一個準則\n\n16\n00:05:08,888 --> 00:05:13,571\n所以我們的機車歧視可以很明確的就是依照現況來看如果說沒有禁止就是可以嘛我們可以這樣理解沒有禁止就是可以理解\n\n17\n00:05:39,168 --> 00:05:59,012\n那我們的機車歧視那我們的道安交通規則它既然是給我們機車歧視看了的話那所以我們常常在我不知道在每個縣市怎麼樣至少在新北市或者甚至是我們交通部的公路局的地方交通單位常常會把道路交通安全規則第99條這一條規定搬出來說因為我們道交規的第99條的第一條下面為劃分快慢車道或者是以快慢車道\n\n18\n00:06:08,075 --> 00:06:21,208\n反正就是外側兩個車道是可以行機車其他的不能行駛機車地方政府或者是我們甚至自己的公路局常常會拿這條規定來說所以我們必須要進行機車那他們這樣子的說法我們交通部可不可以明確的在這邊明確的告知\n\n19\n00:06:29,312 --> 00:06:43,079\n明確的告知我們道安交通規則第99條是給機車駕駛人行駛遵循的並不是對地方的交通的地方的政府或者是交通單位去會設交通標誌標線的一個準則\n\n20\n00:06:45,100 --> 00:07:04,191\n可不可以這樣做一個宣示報告員道路交通安全規則是給駕駛人看的我相信地方政府也都理解他不可能不理解那過去交通部其實這樣子的函已經發過好多次了那現在地方政府他還是依據他的這個因地制宜在劃設\n\n21\n00:07:05,191 --> 00:07:25,100\n那他就劃設有他的理由啦這個我們不會去反對但是他說的理由不能夠拿道路交通安全規程拿出來當理由對不對你剛剛希望我們來函釋嘛這個部分已經函釋好幾次了好沒關係那部長其實不只地方政府包括我們自己的公路局在劃設標線的時候也常常會有拿出我們第99條的規定來說內設不行\n\n22\n00:07:28,582 --> 00:07:52,719\n我們當然各案依照各案適不適合進行機車可以討論但是不可以拿第99條來說當作一個不劃設進行機車的理由我們交通部內部啦像公路局這個我們好溝通我們就希望公路局就不要拿這個當理由那但是地方政府我們自己好那拜託我們部長那可不可以我們再一次含釋給地方政府跟我們的公路單位自己的公路局那副本也可能也給我們委員\n\n23\n00:07:53,699 --> 00:08:04,216\n那以後如果說地方政府很明確又把這條拿出來的話那至少我有一個交通部的一個含釋或公文來跟地方政府講不要再拿道路交通安全規定99條來搪塞了可不可以好我就麻煩部長好謝謝各位\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1296\t5760\t請部長我們警政署陳署長陳署長兩位好 今天一個小問題先提最近有很多的這個依據我們道路交通安全規則102條的規定那個如果說我們在浩之花的路口有交通指揮人員在指揮的時候那\n26753\t42034\t這個指揮人員的指示優於號誌這是我們道安交通規則102條的明文規定那現在實務上會有很多民眾檢舉或者是科技執法的一些案件就是透過警方在舉發\n43075\t58846\t那就會變成說很多民眾都說我會這樣子行使是依據這個警察同仁或者是義交的指揮才做出違反號誌的一些駕駛行為但是被民眾檢舉的時候可能民眾檢舉領域像沒有錄到這個指揮人員\n62048\t79287\t的指揮或者是我們科技執法沒有拍到這個指揮人員的情況下那這個違規的案件我們警察同仁就會舉發但是我們民眾可能他的行車紀錄器過了什麼他沒有辦法去舉證那這樣子的情況下就會變成說一些駕駛人\n81429\t91774\t駕駛人的權益受損嘛 因為他是依照指揮 交通指揮人員去指揮那關於這一點啦 我想這是很明確的是我們必須要幫這些駕駛人他的權益去拼犯的部分 我覺得這也沒什麼好討論啦那後續是不是請我們這兩邊喔去 後續去研議一下 針對這類型的交通違規檢舉案件我們怎麼樣的去做一些釋法性的\n105320\t113191\t確認啦就是違規的部分我們是不是要更嚴謹的去檢視這部分那麻煩我們的交通部跟警政署這樣子的樣態去更嚴謹的去檢視價值有沒有違規好不好這兩點以上麻煩謝謝那組長你先回沒關係\n121817\t133464\t好那部長我今天要跟您也是討論道路交通安全規則那只是我要跟您討論是第99條第一項我們剛剛投影片我們的文字啦那也請我們運安會請我們講錯了運研所陳所長\n137844\t152290\t一統那針對第99條的部分我想先聽我們交通單位的說文解釋我們是怎麼樣子的理解他這樣子的一個條我們看是部長要說明還是你要交給幕僚單位來說明市長來說明一下\n155944\t173258\t這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下道安規則99條基本上是機車行駛車道的相關的規定那在這個第一項索文裡面就是機車行駛的車道應依標誌標線的規定來行駛那如果沒有標誌標線的話才會有後面通則的一個規定\n173738\t195738\t那所以就是說這條的規定為什麼會有後面通則的規定就是說可能基於行政成本或等等的部分的話沒有就是說在每一條道路沒有辦法去畫標示標線而且這個交通環境比較單純的情況之下不需要特別用標示標線來做處理的時候所以才會有後面的通則規定那目前以\n196618\t223858\t國內的一個這個情況的話大概就是說像都會區的話大概所有大陸的車道大概這個對於這個不管是汽車或機車使用的車道大概都透過標誌標線的一個方式來所以有標誌標線就是依標誌標線在規範嘛那假設我們現在有三個車道嘛那如果說三個車道他都沒有做進行機車的標示那機車行駛在最內側的車道\n225379\t254227\t他到底有沒有違規跟這個這一個我也報告一下目前大概就是說如果說這個三個這個車道的話然後都沒有標示這個進行機車就是他沒有標誌或者是標限規定你不能騎機車嘛沒有進行機車的話基本上機車應該都可以這個行駛啦可以行駛 沒有沒有標誌標限的情況下那他沒有特別所寫禁止的話那原則上\n254867\t273884\t就是可以的嗎但是現在大概就是三個車道以上的話那大部分大概都內側車道大概都會化進行機車道好沒關係我講的就是剛剛我問的就是如果三個車道的話那如果說都沒有標籤進行機車的話原則上機車行駛每個車道他都是沒有違規的對不對\n276347\t299746\t後面還有這個第二款的部分還有這個快慢車道的一個這個對如果說有快慢車道那當然慢車道他也會是一個樣態嘛好那就這樣的情況下來說我們的地方政府他要怎麼的來看這個解釋我們的道安交通規則的第99條他是給地方政府去劃這個\n302208\t303271\t標誌表現的一個依據還是給我們機車駕駛行駛的一個參考的一個準則\n308888\t313571\t所以我們的機車歧視可以很明確的就是依照現況來看如果說沒有禁止就是可以嘛 我們可以這樣理解沒有禁止就是可以理解\n339168\t359012\t那我們的機車歧視 那我們的道安交通規則它既然是給我們機車歧視看了的話那所以我們常常在我不知道在每個縣市怎麼樣至少在新北市或者甚至是我們交通部的公路局的地方交通單位常常會把道路交通安全規則第99條這一條規定搬出來說因為我們道交規的第99條的第一條下面為劃分快慢車道或者是以快慢車道\n368075\t381208\t反正就是外側兩個車道是可以行機車其他的不能行駛機車地方政府或者是我們甚至自己的公路局常常會拿這條規定來說所以我們必須要進行機車那他們這樣子的說法我們交通部可不可以明確的在這邊明確的告知\n389312\t403079\t明確的告知我們道安交通規則第99條是給機車駕駛人行駛遵循的並不是對地方的交通的地方的政府或者是交通單位去會設交通標誌標線的一個準則\n405100\t424191\t可不可以這樣做一個宣示報告員道路交通安全規則是給駕駛人看的我相信地方政府也都理解他不可能不理解那過去交通部其實這樣子的函已經發過好多次了那現在地方政府他還是依據他的這個因地制宜在劃設\n425191\t445100\t那他就劃設有他的理由啦這個我們不會去反對但是他說的理由不能夠拿道路交通安全規程拿出來當理由對不對你剛剛希望我們來函釋嘛這個部分已經函釋好幾次了好沒關係那部長其實不只地方政府包括我們自己的公路局在劃設標線的時候也常常會有拿出我們第99條的規定來說內設不行\n448582\t472719\t我們當然各案依照各案適不適合進行機車可以討論但是不可以拿第99條來說當作一個不劃設進行機車的理由我們交通部內部啦像公路局這個我們好溝通我們就希望公路局就不要拿這個當理由那但是地方政府我們自己好那拜託我們部長那可不可以我們再一次含釋給地方政府跟我們的公路單位自己的公路局那副本也可能也給我們委員\n473699\t484216\t那以後如果說地方政府很明確又把這條拿出來的話那至少我有一個交通部的一個含釋或公文來跟地方政府講不要再拿道路交通安全規定99條來搪塞了可不可以好我就麻煩部長好謝謝各位\n","txt":"請部長我們警政署陳署長陳署長兩位好 今天一個小問題先提最近有很多的這個依據我們道路交通安全規則102條的規定那個如果說我們在浩之花的路口有交通指揮人員在指揮的時候那\n這個指揮人員的指示優於號誌這是我們道安交通規則102條的明文規定那現在實務上會有很多民眾檢舉或者是科技執法的一些案件就是透過警方在舉發\n那就會變成說很多民眾都說我會這樣子行使是依據這個警察同仁或者是義交的指揮才做出違反號誌的一些駕駛行為但是被民眾檢舉的時候可能民眾檢舉領域像沒有錄到這個指揮人員\n的指揮或者是我們科技執法沒有拍到這個指揮人員的情況下那這個違規的案件我們警察同仁就會舉發但是我們民眾可能他的行車紀錄器過了什麼他沒有辦法去舉證那這樣子的情況下就會變成說一些駕駛人\n駕駛人的權益受損嘛 因為他是依照指揮 交通指揮人員去指揮那關於這一點啦 我想這是很明確的是我們必須要幫這些駕駛人他的權益去拼犯的部分 我覺得這也沒什麼好討論啦那後續是不是請我們這兩邊喔去 後續去研議一下 針對這類型的交通違規檢舉案件我們怎麼樣的去做一些釋法性的\n確認啦就是違規的部分我們是不是要更嚴謹的去檢視這部分那麻煩我們的交通部跟警政署這樣子的樣態去更嚴謹的去檢視價值有沒有違規好不好這兩點以上麻煩謝謝那組長你先回沒關係\n好那部長我今天要跟您也是討論道路交通安全規則那只是我要跟您討論是第99條第一項我們剛剛投影片我們的文字啦那也請我們運安會請我們講錯了運研所陳所長\n一統那針對第99條的部分我想先聽我們交通單位的說文解釋我們是怎麼樣子的理解他這樣子的一個條我們看是部長要說明還是你要交給幕僚單位來說明市長來說明一下\n這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下道安規則99條基本上是機車行駛車道的相關的規定那在這個第一項索文裡面就是機車行駛的車道應依標誌標線的規定來行駛那如果沒有標誌標線的話才會有後面通則的一個規定\n那所以就是說這條的規定為什麼會有後面通則的規定就是說可能基於行政成本或等等的部分的話沒有就是說在每一條道路沒有辦法去畫標示標線而且這個交通環境比較單純的情況之下不需要特別用標示標線來做處理的時候所以才會有後面的通則規定那目前以\n國內的一個這個情況的話大概就是說像都會區的話大概所有大陸的車道大概這個對於這個不管是汽車或機車使用的車道大概都透過標誌標線的一個方式來所以有標誌標線就是依標誌標線在規範嘛那假設我們現在有三個車道嘛那如果說三個車道他都沒有做進行機車的標示那機車行駛在最內側的車道\n他到底有沒有違規跟這個這一個我也報告一下目前大概就是說如果說這個三個這個車道的話然後都沒有標示這個進行機車就是他沒有標誌或者是標限規定你不能騎機車嘛沒有進行機車的話基本上機車應該都可以這個行駛啦可以行駛 沒有沒有標誌標限的情況下那他沒有特別所寫禁止的話那原則上\n就是可以的嗎但是現在大概就是三個車道以上的話那大部分大概都內側車道大概都會化進行機車道好沒關係我講的就是剛剛我問的就是如果三個車道的話那如果說都沒有標籤進行機車的話原則上機車行駛每個車道他都是沒有違規的對不對\n後面還有這個第二款的部分還有這個快慢車道的一個這個對如果說有快慢車道那當然慢車道他也會是一個樣態嘛好那就這樣的情況下來說我們的地方政府他要怎麼的來看這個解釋我們的道安交通規則的第99條他是給地方政府去劃這個\n標誌表現的一個依據還是給我們機車駕駛行駛的一個參考的一個準則\n所以我們的機車歧視可以很明確的就是依照現況來看如果說沒有禁止就是可以嘛 我們可以這樣理解沒有禁止就是可以理解\n那我們的機車歧視 那我們的道安交通規則它既然是給我們機車歧視看了的話那所以我們常常在我不知道在每個縣市怎麼樣至少在新北市或者甚至是我們交通部的公路局的地方交通單位常常會把道路交通安全規則第99條這一條規定搬出來說因為我們道交規的第99條的第一條下面為劃分快慢車道或者是以快慢車道\n反正就是外側兩個車道是可以行機車其他的不能行駛機車地方政府或者是我們甚至自己的公路局常常會拿這條規定來說所以我們必須要進行機車那他們這樣子的說法我們交通部可不可以明確的在這邊明確的告知\n明確的告知我們道安交通規則第99條是給機車駕駛人行駛遵循的並不是對地方的交通的地方的政府或者是交通單位去會設交通標誌標線的一個準則\n可不可以這樣做一個宣示報告員道路交通安全規則是給駕駛人看的我相信地方政府也都理解他不可能不理解那過去交通部其實這樣子的函已經發過好多次了那現在地方政府他還是依據他的這個因地制宜在劃設\n那他就劃設有他的理由啦這個我們不會去反對但是他說的理由不能夠拿道路交通安全規程拿出來當理由對不對你剛剛希望我們來函釋嘛這個部分已經函釋好幾次了好沒關係那部長其實不只地方政府包括我們自己的公路局在劃設標線的時候也常常會有拿出我們第99條的規定來說內設不行\n我們當然各案依照各案適不適合進行機車可以討論但是不可以拿第99條來說當作一個不劃設進行機車的理由我們交通部內部啦像公路局這個我們好溝通我們就希望公路局就不要拿這個當理由那但是地方政府我們自己好那拜託我們部長那可不可以我們再一次含釋給地方政府跟我們的公路單位自己的公路局那副本也可能也給我們委員\n那以後如果說地方政府很明確又把這條拿出來的話那至少我有一個交通部的一個含釋或公文來跟地方政府講不要再拿道路交通安全規定99條來搪塞了可不可以好我就麻煩部長好謝謝各位\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.296 --> 00:05.760\n請部長我們警政署陳署長陳署長兩位好今天一個小問題先提最近有很多的這個依據我們道路交通安全規則102條的規定那個如果說我們在浩之花的路口有交通指揮人員在指揮的時候那\n\n00:26.753 --> 00:42.034\n這個指揮人員的指示優於號誌這是我們道安交通規則102條的明文規定那現在實務上會有很多民眾檢舉或者是科技執法的一些案件就是透過警方在舉發\n\n00:43.075 --> 00:58.846\n那就會變成說很多民眾都說我會這樣子行使是依據這個警察同仁或者是義交的指揮才做出違反號誌的一些駕駛行為但是被民眾檢舉的時候可能民眾檢舉領域像沒有錄到這個指揮人員\n\n01:02.048 --> 01:19.287\n的指揮或者是我們科技執法沒有拍到這個指揮人員的情況下那這個違規的案件我們警察同仁就會舉發但是我們民眾可能他的行車紀錄器過了什麼他沒有辦法去舉證那這樣子的情況下就會變成說一些駕駛人\n\n01:21.429 --> 01:31.774\n駕駛人的權益受損嘛因為他是依照指揮交通指揮人員去指揮那關於這一點啦我想這是很明確的是我們必須要幫這些駕駛人他的權益去拼犯的部分我覺得這也沒什麼好討論啦那後續是不是請我們這兩邊喔去後續去研議一下針對這類型的交通違規檢舉案件我們怎麼樣的去做一些釋法性的\n\n01:45.320 --> 01:53.191\n確認啦就是違規的部分我們是不是要更嚴謹的去檢視這部分那麻煩我們的交通部跟警政署這樣子的樣態去更嚴謹的去檢視價值有沒有違規好不好這兩點以上麻煩謝謝那組長你先回沒關係\n\n02:01.817 --> 02:13.464\n好那部長我今天要跟您也是討論道路交通安全規則那只是我要跟您討論是第99條第一項我們剛剛投影片我們的文字啦那也請我們運安會請我們講錯了運研所陳所長\n\n02:17.844 --> 02:32.290\n一統那針對第99條的部分我想先聽我們交通單位的說文解釋我們是怎麼樣子的理解他這樣子的一個條我們看是部長要說明還是你要交給幕僚單位來說明市長來說明一下\n\n02:35.944 --> 02:53.258\n這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下道安規則99條基本上是機車行駛車道的相關的規定那在這個第一項索文裡面就是機車行駛的車道應依標誌標線的規定來行駛那如果沒有標誌標線的話才會有後面通則的一個規定\n\n02:53.738 --> 03:15.738\n那所以就是說這條的規定為什麼會有後面通則的規定就是說可能基於行政成本或等等的部分的話沒有就是說在每一條道路沒有辦法去畫標示標線而且這個交通環境比較單純的情況之下不需要特別用標示標線來做處理的時候所以才會有後面的通則規定那目前以\n\n03:16.618 --> 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