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00:01:58,087\n事實上就誠如我剛剛說的事實上30塊也不是現在才第一次碰到不是第一次碰到以前就好幾次我跟委員報告事實上108年的下半年都是30塊左右那個時候108年12月31號我的資料是30.106\n\n6\n00:02:05,455 --> 00:02:31,894\n在111年12月30號的時候那個年底的匯率是30.708所以還有就是說好幾個事實上就是說30塊這個不是第一次30塊事實上前面以前就好幾次都碰到30塊了所以這個也就是說不必要就是說是\n\n7\n00:02:33,468 --> 00:02:36,669\n我們的意思不是說不必要是說這30塊不是第一次所以委員就是說現在媒體也講到像這個台積電它就虧了它就損失了780億到800億\n\n8\n00:02:54,115 --> 00:03:01,678\n所以我們都是從他現在這樣下來如果說我們是從以前他是從30塊貶值到33塊的時候那個時候報紙都沒有再分析說他這個是賺了多少錢\n\n9\n00:03:14,042 --> 00:03:38,745\n沒有所以呢也就是說企業的一個經營啊他不是在短期的不是就是企業的經營不是在短期他除了他盈利之外他同時也必須要避險所以說總裁講的沒有錯就是說企業他除了盈利之外他必須要也想著說怎麼樣去避險因為匯率的這一個市場他是他是會有波動的那本身就應該要做好一些準備是\n\n10\n00:03:39,025 --> 00:04:05,630\n但是工業部門那不同的這個次產業它會受到影響的程度也不同那不像是這個螺絲的擴建產業它的平均的這個毛利率是大概15%那如果考量到美國已經實施基礎關稅下那這一波的這個新台幣的急升它可能會造成它的利潤是轉為零甚至是負數那另外一方面科技產業雖然有受到影響就是我們剛才講的利潤\n\n11\n00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:23,140\n他的空間比較大而且他有比較強的避險能力為什麼因為就如同剛剛講的他們同時他們的整個集團內部一定會有在針對匯損或者匯率的變化來去要做調控的那這樣子講起來的話我就必須要特別強調\n\n12\n00:04:24,221 --> 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