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00:02:30,827\n以屏東方面不曉得,你是這邊有沒有非常感謝徐委員的關心,我跟委員報告,我在前陣子,我屏東也有經驗照做主任、做縣長,這個部分也非常用心,我知道委員你現在所說的最主要是據點的部分,整個空間,還有裡面修繕的部分\n\n8\n00:02:40,809 --> 00:02:59,634\n這個部分我們現在目前確實當然你如果可以當然用社區活動中心這最好啦但是沒有辦法大家都有活動中心嗎?對啦阿...委員這個部分我們是不是我們回來其實我們有在研究說是不是可以用租金補貼啦阿但是這個部分部長這次\n\n9\n00:03:01,813 --> 00:03:16,266\n趕快提出方案好不好,不要說都研究而已啦,我們的市場不能暫停啦,你都要研究,要研究久久好,我這部分是不是比較緊,我...好,超過一半的據點是在我們的輸贏的場域,這都是善心人士提供的耶是,我了解,是,好好,好,另外齁,我先...我講,各位委員謝謝好,柏林,另外齁是,是\n\n10\n00:03:22,321 --> 00:03:32,151\n我再提出另外一個數據,在屏東有超過6成5的據點每個月共存的人數超過30個,甚至很多都60個,100個以我們現在的補助標準,一個團善,一星期吃一天,一人費用多少錢?35塊現在物價這35塊是要怎麼吃飯?\n\n11\n00:03:51,357 --> 00:04:02,283\n我們的限制不是人數,最主要是時段的問題議員你也知道,也有一個整體的一個...也有做到一個星期的10個時段而已是,不然你一個月補助一萬兩千塊沒分,製作都一萬兩千塊而已,那是怎麼處理?難道不能有一個分級的制度嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:13,163 --> 00:04:21,988\n對我是建議因為畢竟每個村裡的總共沒有工有的地方比較少三四十的也有七八十的也有八幾個你不能用一萬兩千塊去涵蓋社會的服務據點這真的委員這個分級的保溫我們是不是也一併好不好一併我們來列入\n\n13\n00:04:39,358 --> 00:04:46,662\n我想以我們在看那個狀況,有的地方那些半五天,如果不是很多三星人士在那裡企業倒三天,那真的支撐不下去啦,那今天應付我們中央市場要吃飯後就成困難了啦。是啦,我也有一個報告,當然這是很重要,我們也希望就是說政府來這邊負責,來有一個鼓勵嘛,\n\n14\n00:05:03,032 --> 00:05:23,066\n也引進民間的資源大家到底來關心我們的方針起端嗎是啦另外一個因為你們有一個點名制度我不知道你們到底有怎麼樣去點名點名大家都沒什麼跟我們這個東西我們是在各據點都有刷卡就用健保卡就可以\n\n15\n00:05:23,721 --> 00:05:37,790\n這主要是希望大家比較簡單一點就是他刷卡就表示他今天我相信現在沒有人會要做這個做假這個東西啦大家都沒搞開沒搞啦那都自己自掏腰包的很多那個志工媽媽都自己做八天做二天在服務的啦\n\n16\n00:05:40,325 --> 00:05:56,774\n所以我想應該是多支持我們這樣一個據點畢竟這個現在年輕人在打拚喔長輩在公開據點大家共餐做遊戲然後能夠增加健康這年輕人可以讓人家打拚做工作啦我想這是大家的共同的努力目標部長那我要特別再強調齁\n\n17\n00:05:58,554 --> 00:06:19,523\n114年我們長照的基金編列879億但是用在我們這個據點跟長照站的整合計畫只有35億整體比例這個預防性的支持比例不到4%這是不是有機會用逐年性的部分來做增加你不做預防的一個照顧這未來就是很大的問題我想預防性這個照顧是現在的趨勢現在的趨勢啊\n\n18\n00:06:27,626 --> 00:06:35,532\n提出一個階段性計劃好不好?好,好,提出結尾最後我就說,我們都會變老啦,未來我們都要去據點啦所以現在做得好,對我們未來都有好處啦\n\n19\n00:06:42,778 --> 00:07:01,875\n希望我相信我們在這個地方政府很努力的狀況之下中央應該給予更大的一個支持的力道大家來收緊我想包含空間包含經費包含支付上面給予我們更積極正面的一個回應我想也是同一句話照顧今天的老人就是照顧現在我們的自己\n\n20\n00:07:03,536 --> 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