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00:02:36,014\n什麼叫做人本交通啊根本不知道政策內容是什麼我想這也是一個警訊所以部長我知道交通部非常努力也很願意做公眾教育跟宣傳能不能針對這個部分回過頭去看看你委託的廠商到底懂不懂交通安全內容上會不會是上市\n\n8\n00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:47,167\n反向反而對於安全沒有幫助還有一個管道方式是不是應該去思考一下人多密集的地方來做我覺得這部長可不可以說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:48,126 --> 00:03:16,607\n是報告委員兩個部分因為宣導面確實委員一直在希望我們能夠加強也確實應該加強那兩個部分一個部分是執行的層面到底效果好不好內容好不好看然後我們投放的點對不對這個部分我們要來做檢討這個沒有問題包含您在提醒的我們所委託的單位他對於內容到底了不了解這個部分我們會來做檢討那二方面其實因為交通的宣導的面向可以說是非常的多\n\n10\n00:03:18,008 --> 00:03:34,995\n對客運業者啦對客運駕駛啦對各個方方面面非常多那我們也希望說預算能夠增加一些不過很可惜我們的預算沒有辦法增加我知道被刪了被刪以外也被動那每次只要提到說我們宣傳預算要增加大家就意見很多\n\n11\n00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:48,190\n那這個部分我們在有限的預算我們盡量把它做好委員您剛剛提醒的我們來把它關注一下該檢討的部分把它檢討修正我覺得尤其你現在講說人本交通可是大家都不知道的話大概你要在民間去推就有點困難\n\n12\n00:03:49,264 --> 00:04:02,835\n那接下來我們來談一個就是我想今天報紙上也大家都在看載了也就是大家都很支持就是我們的行人專用10項那支持度有84.7%還行人早開10項89.6%\n\n13\n00:04:07,512 --> 00:04:23,197\n相信這也是為什麼要去推動我想你們報告已經寫很多那媒體也報導很多可是我們也要來看我回頭去看14期的院班方案裡邊我也看到確實交通部有規劃要普設型的號誌燈\n\n14\n00:04:24,818 --> 00:04:43,935\n打算因時因地質疑的去調整就是那個實質開啟的方式我認為這是很好的一步我也相當支持畢竟有耗資用路人才能夠依循才能夠兼顧效率跟安全不過我很好奇的是現在耗資等等的普及率如何部長你有沒有掌握數據\n\n15\n00:04:44,976 --> 00:04:58,772\n報告委員,其實我們現在有新的綱要,道路交通安全的整體的綱要,所有的地方政府其實有朝這個方向在做,到底他們的數據上有沒有辦法掌握這個,有嗎?我們有統計這個數據嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:00,273 --> 00:05:28,257\n我們再來看就是部長我也不是要去考你為難你因為時間緊迫我來不及要可是我手邊上就是17期院班方案的計畫規劃時的統計那時候當時的耗資設置比例真的只能說產息息只有4成除了雙北呢僅基隆跟新竹有超過5成六都只有雙北只有5成以上那除了雙北之外就六都以外的話只有基隆\n\n17\n00:05:29,217 --> 00:05:45,509\n和新竹有超過五成其他的市都的狀況都非常的慘那我們就來問囉剛剛你講說要找開啊專用啊沒有耗資燈怎麼去推動這些呢這些是要搭配耗資燈的所以我不知道這個有沒有要去考慮啊因為你的實相和專用都要考慮耗資燈\n\n18\n00:05:51,973 --> 00:06:16,674\n協助地方政府讓他能夠增加這些耗資不只是交通部內政部國土署也也在幫忙這件事好對然後我們一起合作來協助地方政府因為這些的設置大部分是地方政府的權責那我們會協助他們那經費上需要補助我們也都會幫忙我說你說要給比較做得比較好的獎金可是問題是他沒有耗資燈他就沒有用沒辦法去做專用跟找開始想好這個我覺得也要去\n\n19\n00:06:17,194 --> 00:06:40,013\n提醒那再來我想部長不知道有沒有印象我上次在問是說你會在哪邊你很乾脆的回答是說如果你開車的話會在A那當時的確交通部事實上法令常常在法令規範的時候都對於現實層面事實上是好像沒有\n\n20\n00:06:40,673 --> 00:07:09,166\n考量到真實的那個狀況而且我覺得有點獨步全球的狀況為什麼因為今天講人本交通政策那個人本並不是只有講到行人而是所有的用路人那當時修法的時候我就提醒就你們還是按照這樣修就是新條文定義是說接下來環網線通通要進空的狀態可是你去相對看其他國家來看的話他們可以在環網線然後等待車輛才知道你要過嘛否則我們就在看下一個畫面的時候\n\n21\n00:07:10,126 --> 00:07:35,781\n台灣這種狀況來四邊如果沒有到黃網線誰知道誰要過因為這時候沒有號誌燈誰知道誰要過那就反而是這樣大家就等著那變成是我這個梗圖裡面談的敵不動我不動大家都不動那就不知道誰因為沒有號誌燈所以我們再來看到如果這樣子的狀況裡面到底對學童的保護會更好嗎而且\n\n22\n00:07:36,721 --> 00:07:58,787\n法規之間互相自己打架道路交通安全規則第111條裡面第一項就規定說交叉入口公共汽車招呼這個是不得零停車量可是我們的處罰條例竟然是說可以匯至停車處所那我就會擔心說因為加上前一陣子又有入口的那個交通事故事實上對學童來講傷害是比較大的\n\n23\n00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:23,017\n那如果這兩個法規事實上是互為抵觸的時候放在一起的話又不能臨庭可是又可以劃停車格這不是互相抵觸嗎所以部長這部分是不是可以針對這個去盤點去改善然後去確定否則的話根本沒有辦法幫助尤其事實上我覺得兒少交通事故事實上也是一直我很關心的一個議題那也期待\n\n24\n00:08:24,229 --> 00:08:42,352\n部長這邊能夠多著一些力不好意思我覺得稍微再給我一點時間來再看下一頁我覺得交通部有掌握到充足人力跟可是有時候在訂定法規可不可以有自信一點就是像當初在談的時候我們希望事實上是我們的\n\n25\n00:08:43,735 --> 00:08:58,952\n所謂也就是行人庇護島是不是可以15到20比照國外那可是好像而且上方因為還要放一些東西所以可以去考慮這樣就最後你們還是按照國土署的他們訂定的法規我覺得如果要\n\n26\n00:09:00,087 --> 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報告委員兩個部分因為宣導面確實委員一直在希望我們能夠加強也確實應該加強那兩個部分一個部分是執行的層面到底效果好不好內容好不好看然後我們投放的點對不對這個部分我們要來做檢討這個沒有問題包含您在提醒的我們所委託的單位他對於內容到底了不了解這個部分我們會來做檢討那二方面其實因為交通的宣導的面向可以說是非常的多\n198008\t214995\t對客運業者啦對客運駕駛啦對各個方方面面非常多那我們也希望說預算能夠增加一些不過很可惜我們的預算沒有辦法增加我知道被刪了被刪以外也被動那每次只要提到說我們宣傳預算要增加大家就意見很多\n215715\t228190\t那這個部分我們在有限的預算我們盡量把它做好委員您剛剛提醒的我們來把它關注一下該檢討的部分把它檢討修正我覺得尤其你現在講說人本交通可是大家都不知道的話大概你要在民間去推就有點困難\n229264\t242835\t那接下來我們來談一個就是我想今天報紙上也大家都在看載了也就是大家都很支持就是我們的行人專用10項那支持度有84.7%還行人早開10項89.6%\n247512\t263197\t相信這也是為什麼要去推動我想你們報告已經寫很多那媒體也報導很多可是我們也要來看我回頭去看14期的院班方案裡邊我也看到確實交通部有規劃要普設型的號誌燈\n264818\t283935\t打算因時因地質疑的去調整就是那個實質開啟的方式我認為這是很好的一步我也相當支持畢竟有耗資用路人才能夠依循才能夠兼顧效率跟安全不過我很好奇的是現在耗資等等的普及率如何部長你有沒有掌握數據\n284976\t298772\t報告委員,其實我們現在有新的綱要,道路交通安全的整體的綱要,所有的地方政府其實有朝這個方向在做,到底他們的數據上有沒有辦法掌握這個,有嗎?我們有統計這個數據嗎?\n300273\t328257\t我們再來看 就是部長我也不是要去考你 為難你因為時間緊迫 我來不及要可是我手邊上就是17期院班方案的計畫規劃時的統計那時候當時的耗資設置比例真的只能說產息息只有4成 除了雙北呢僅基隆跟新竹有超過5成六都只有雙北 只有5成以上那除了雙北之外 就六都以外的話 只有基隆\n329217\t345509\t和新竹有超過五成其他的市都的狀況都非常的慘那我們就來問囉 剛剛你講說要找開啊 專用啊沒有耗資燈怎麼去推動這些呢這些是要搭配耗資燈的所以我不知道這個有沒有要去考慮啊因為你的實相和專用都要考慮耗資燈\n351973\t376674\t協助地方政府讓他能夠增加這些耗資不只是交通部內政部國土署也也在幫忙這件事好對然後我們一起合作來協助地方政府因為這些的設置大部分是地方政府的權責那我們會協助他們那經費上需要補助我們也都會幫忙我說你說要給比較做得比較好的獎金可是問題是他沒有耗資燈他就沒有用沒辦法去做專用跟找開始想好這個我覺得也要去\n377194\t400013\t提醒那再來我想部長不知道有沒有印象我上次在問是說你會在哪邊你很乾脆的回答是說如果你開車的話會在A那當時的確交通部事實上法令常常在法令規範的時候都對於現實層面事實上是好像沒有\n400673\t429166\t考量到真實的那個狀況而且我覺得有點獨步全球的狀況為什麼因為今天講人本交通政策那個人本並不是只有講到行人而是所有的用路人那當時修法的時候我就提醒就你們還是按照這樣修就是新條文定義是說接下來環網線通通要進空的狀態可是你去相對看其他國家來看的話他們可以在環網線然後等待車輛才知道你要過嘛否則我們就在看下一個畫面的時候\n430126\t455781\t台灣這種狀況來四邊如果沒有到黃網線誰知道誰要過因為這時候沒有號誌燈誰知道誰要過那就反而是這樣大家就等著那變成是我這個梗圖裡面談的敵不動我不動大家都不動那就不知道誰因為沒有號誌燈所以我們再來看到如果這樣子的狀況裡面到底對學童的保護會更好嗎而且\n456721\t478787\t法規之間互相自己打架道路交通安全規則第111條裡面第一項就規定說交叉入口公共汽車招呼這個是不得零停車量可是我們的處罰條例竟然是說可以匯至停車處所那我就會擔心說因為加上前一陣子又有入口的那個交通事故事實上對學童來講傷害是比較大的\n479187\t503017\t那如果這兩個法規事實上是互為抵觸的時候放在一起的話又不能臨庭可是又可以劃停車格這不是互相抵觸嗎所以部長這部分是不是可以針對這個去盤點去改善然後去確定否則的話根本沒有辦法幫助尤其事實上我覺得兒少交通事故事實上也是一直我很關心的一個議題那也期待\n504229\t522352\t部長這邊能夠多著一些力 不好意思我覺得稍微再給我一點時間來 再看下一頁我覺得交通部有掌握到充足人力跟可是有時候在訂定法規可不可以有自信一點就是像當初在談的時候我們希望事實上是我們的\n523735\t538952\t所謂也就是行人庇護島是不是可以15到20比照國外那可是好像而且上方因為還要放一些東西所以可以去考慮這樣就最後你們還是按照國土署的他們訂定的法規我覺得如果要\n540087\t554722\t調整就應該要去調整可能會事實上是比較適合的因為正確的事情的話應該要去全力去推動而不是因為國土署有這樣子的規範而反而是這樣這邊可能是不敢動\n556323\t571123\t那最後就是我還是希望說是不是在人本交通這邊希望能夠重新檢討宣導那也希望能夠儘速提升我們的行人號誌登錄的普及率還有列管考核還有交通部在遵循意見的時候\n572045\t594310\t可不可以多參考國外跟民間團體的意見來檢討一下我剛剛講的那個入口周邊的至少10公尺到底要停車還是要是讓人家臨停還是停車格位劃下去我想部長大家都對你有很高的期待因為我們也覺得你來做交通部主政之後真的很多東西有提升我們也期待這部分保障學童安全這一塊再麻煩謝謝趙偉 謝謝部長\n","txt":"今天是5月8號嘛那三個禮拜前我有在這邊質詢我們交通部對於我們的慢車的管理政策包含電幅啊\n電動滑板車在內的行動個人的行動器具規範的一個執行跟推動情形那我請交通部呢兩個禮拜內呢提出書面報告回覆我不過部長現在已經幾個禮拜了而且當時事實上是有承諾至今到現在還沒有收到報告不知道部長你能不能掌握到現在進度是什麼\n是 報告委員 如果這個部分還沒有給您回應的話 那是我們的不對 給您抱歉那我回去趕快去追 看什麼時候可以趕快給您報告因為我覺得過去我針對執行 然後稿子收到有時候是叫我讀法條 現在反而稿子都還不給我了我不知道為什麼會有這樣 麻煩江部\n那信守承諾那今天是我們來談人本交通跟交通安全過去這30年我是非常關心這個課題的首先我要針對於我們的宣傳經費那這個部分的確這是被刪掉1200萬可是還是有經費預算不過在宣傳的管道跟\n我們的方式上我是有點意見的比如說過去我們常常看到很多有時候是廠商他根本不懂得交通安全可是他卻要來承辦這樣子的業務的時候有時候活動內容坦白講事實上是跟安全是脫鉤的甚至宣傳的管道也非常重要可是會看到的是什麼\n行人密集活動的場域裡面很少看到像譬如大眾運輸站就很少看到你談人本交通這些相關的觀念我覺得有點可惜所以難怪我們就來看數據也就是說前幾天媒體自己也有報導我想部長應該有看到這個人本交通政策在民間的知曉度非常的低只有高達八成的民眾是不知道\n什麼叫做人本交通啊根本不知道政策內容是什麼我想這也是一個警訊所以部長我知道交通部非常努力也很願意做公眾教育跟宣傳能不能針對這個部分回過頭去看看你委託的廠商到底懂不懂交通安全內容上會不會是上市\n反向反而對於安全沒有幫助還有一個管道方式是不是應該去思考一下人多密集的地方來做我覺得這部長可不可以說明一下\n是 報告委員兩個部分因為宣導面確實委員一直在希望我們能夠加強也確實應該加強那兩個部分一個部分是執行的層面到底效果好不好內容好不好看然後我們投放的點對不對這個部分我們要來做檢討這個沒有問題包含您在提醒的我們所委託的單位他對於內容到底了不了解這個部分我們會來做檢討那二方面其實因為交通的宣導的面向可以說是非常的多\n對客運業者啦對客運駕駛啦對各個方方面面非常多那我們也希望說預算能夠增加一些不過很可惜我們的預算沒有辦法增加我知道被刪了被刪以外也被動那每次只要提到說我們宣傳預算要增加大家就意見很多\n那這個部分我們在有限的預算我們盡量把它做好委員您剛剛提醒的我們來把它關注一下該檢討的部分把它檢討修正我覺得尤其你現在講說人本交通可是大家都不知道的話大概你要在民間去推就有點困難\n那接下來我們來談一個就是我想今天報紙上也大家都在看載了也就是大家都很支持就是我們的行人專用10項那支持度有84.7%還行人早開10項89.6%\n相信這也是為什麼要去推動我想你們報告已經寫很多那媒體也報導很多可是我們也要來看我回頭去看14期的院班方案裡邊我也看到確實交通部有規劃要普設型的號誌燈\n打算因時因地質疑的去調整就是那個實質開啟的方式我認為這是很好的一步我也相當支持畢竟有耗資用路人才能夠依循才能夠兼顧效率跟安全不過我很好奇的是現在耗資等等的普及率如何部長你有沒有掌握數據\n報告委員,其實我們現在有新的綱要,道路交通安全的整體的綱要,所有的地方政府其實有朝這個方向在做,到底他們的數據上有沒有辦法掌握這個,有嗎?我們有統計這個數據嗎?\n我們再來看 就是部長我也不是要去考你 為難你因為時間緊迫 我來不及要可是我手邊上就是17期院班方案的計畫規劃時的統計那時候當時的耗資設置比例真的只能說產息息只有4成 除了雙北呢僅基隆跟新竹有超過5成六都只有雙北 只有5成以上那除了雙北之外 就六都以外的話 只有基隆\n和新竹有超過五成其他的市都的狀況都非常的慘那我們就來問囉 剛剛你講說要找開啊 專用啊沒有耗資燈怎麼去推動這些呢這些是要搭配耗資燈的所以我不知道這個有沒有要去考慮啊因為你的實相和專用都要考慮耗資燈\n協助地方政府讓他能夠增加這些耗資不只是交通部內政部國土署也也在幫忙這件事好對然後我們一起合作來協助地方政府因為這些的設置大部分是地方政府的權責那我們會協助他們那經費上需要補助我們也都會幫忙我說你說要給比較做得比較好的獎金可是問題是他沒有耗資燈他就沒有用沒辦法去做專用跟找開始想好這個我覺得也要去\n提醒那再來我想部長不知道有沒有印象我上次在問是說你會在哪邊你很乾脆的回答是說如果你開車的話會在A那當時的確交通部事實上法令常常在法令規範的時候都對於現實層面事實上是好像沒有\n考量到真實的那個狀況而且我覺得有點獨步全球的狀況為什麼因為今天講人本交通政策那個人本並不是只有講到行人而是所有的用路人那當時修法的時候我就提醒就你們還是按照這樣修就是新條文定義是說接下來環網線通通要進空的狀態可是你去相對看其他國家來看的話他們可以在環網線然後等待車輛才知道你要過嘛否則我們就在看下一個畫面的時候\n台灣這種狀況來四邊如果沒有到黃網線誰知道誰要過因為這時候沒有號誌燈誰知道誰要過那就反而是這樣大家就等著那變成是我這個梗圖裡面談的敵不動我不動大家都不動那就不知道誰因為沒有號誌燈所以我們再來看到如果這樣子的狀況裡面到底對學童的保護會更好嗎而且\n法規之間互相自己打架道路交通安全規則第111條裡面第一項就規定說交叉入口公共汽車招呼這個是不得零停車量可是我們的處罰條例竟然是說可以匯至停車處所那我就會擔心說因為加上前一陣子又有入口的那個交通事故事實上對學童來講傷害是比較大的\n那如果這兩個法規事實上是互為抵觸的時候放在一起的話又不能臨庭可是又可以劃停車格這不是互相抵觸嗎所以部長這部分是不是可以針對這個去盤點去改善然後去確定否則的話根本沒有辦法幫助尤其事實上我覺得兒少交通事故事實上也是一直我很關心的一個議題那也期待\n部長這邊能夠多著一些力 不好意思我覺得稍微再給我一點時間來 再看下一頁我覺得交通部有掌握到充足人力跟可是有時候在訂定法規可不可以有自信一點就是像當初在談的時候我們希望事實上是我們的\n所謂也就是行人庇護島是不是可以15到20比照國外那可是好像而且上方因為還要放一些東西所以可以去考慮這樣就最後你們還是按照國土署的他們訂定的法規我覺得如果要\n調整就應該要去調整可能會事實上是比較適合的因為正確的事情的話應該要去全力去推動而不是因為國土署有這樣子的規範而反而是這樣這邊可能是不敢動\n那最後就是我還是希望說是不是在人本交通這邊希望能夠重新檢討宣導那也希望能夠儘速提升我們的行人號誌登錄的普及率還有列管考核還有交通部在遵循意見的時候\n可不可以多參考國外跟民間團體的意見來檢討一下我剛剛講的那個入口周邊的至少10公尺到底要停車還是要是讓人家臨停還是停車格位劃下去我想部長大家都對你有很高的期待因為我們也覺得你來做交通部主政之後真的很多東西有提升我們也期待這部分保障學童安全這一塊再麻煩謝謝趙偉 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.854 --> 00:03.716\n今天是5月8號嘛那三個禮拜前我有在這邊質詢我們交通部對於我們的慢車的管理政策包含電幅啊\n\n00:23.930 --> 00:45.539\n電動滑板車在內的行動個人的行動器具規範的一個執行跟推動情形那我請交通部呢兩個禮拜內呢提出書面報告回覆我不過部長現在已經幾個禮拜了而且當時事實上是有承諾至今到現在還沒有收到報告不知道部長你能不能掌握到現在進度是什麼\n\n00:45.919 --> 01:06.009\n是報告委員如果這個部分還沒有給您回應的話那是我們的不對給您抱歉那我回去趕快去追看什麼時候可以趕快給您報告因為我覺得過去我針對執行然後稿子收到有時候是叫我讀法條現在反而稿子都還不給我了我不知道為什麼會有這樣麻煩江部\n\n01:06.489 --> 01:13.818\n那信守承諾那今天是我們來談人本交通跟交通安全過去這30年我是非常關心這個課題的首先我要針對於我們的宣傳經費那這個部分的確這是被刪掉1200萬可是還是有經費預算不過在宣傳的管道跟\n\n01:25.911 --> 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