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00:01:50,636\n跟委員報告部分我想針對委員所提的部分我們會把它納入到我們相關的那個交通安全的研習的部分然後來提供有這樣子的一個體驗的經驗對因為這個是一個全球城市設計倡議組織他們其實最主要一開始就是北美的交通安全委員會\n\n7\n00:01:52,136 --> 00:02:09,562\n開始的就是有關於就是回到從最脆弱的兒童怎麼樣去照顧他們大人應該要做到哪些事情那這個部分詳細的資訊我們也可以再pass給你們好不好謝謝那下一個就是來講就是交通公務員今天我們的主席剛好也有來質詢到這一題那我就是繼續下去就是\n\n8\n00:02:10,603 --> 00:02:30,005\n據我所知啦齁全台灣有很多交通公園但是只有這一個是擬真的交通公園也就是說它是真的號誌燈會亮的讓孩子在真實的情境裡面下去學習的但我不確定我的數據是不是正確的所以我不曉得說交通部有沒有掌握我們全台灣有多少的一個交通公園呢\n\n9\n00:02:30,165 --> 00:02:58,630\n報告員這一個擬真公園我有去過這個台南的這個我有去過那目前我們有13處的交通公園那真正擬真的可能沒有這麼多那我們現在桃園監理站監理站已經有做了一個擬真的那我們現在在高雄在雲林還有士林士林也就是我們台北的監理站都是在監理站嘛對不對好我懂那我先確認一件事就是我們在監理站有做但是交通公園擬真的就這個對不對\n\n10\n00:02:59,850 --> 00:03:16,295\n那其他的12個都是交通公園其他縣市我們都是補助啦他們是做交通公園但是真正擬真的我目前只有看到這一點好那這部分我就是想要來跟部長爭取我們可不可以有更多的擬真雖然說我們有監理所但是我想要跟部長說明的就是說他怎麼沒有辦法\n\n11\n00:03:16,815 --> 00:03:32,080\n你真的部分的您看喔在我們的建立所部分他比較是一個月來每個月讓大家來預約他比較是像是一個校外教學的課程好然後呢在東京呢其實光一個東京市他就20個\n\n12\n00:03:34,061 --> 00:03:59,640\n20個交通公園了那其實去年聯合國也都是在講說讓孩子透過遊戲來學習這些東西的話效果會更好那我們有沒有可能讓交通公園有更多呢因為那個是小孩可能每一天或是每一個禮拜他都可以去的這樣子的學習效果絕對比他一個禮拜或是一個學期甚至一個學期吧老師了不起大家去一次了不起對所以這樣子我們是不是可以來跟各個縣市\n\n13\n00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:25,598\n看是要提供什麼樣子的講座補助辦法讓大家都來以現在像左邊這個就是台中泉源公園新竹也有台北也有我們是可不可以以現在幫他upgrade就好讓他變接近擬真了這可不可以做到這個建議我們一定會參考就是說以現有的還有12個沒有擬真的我們就跟縣市政府來溝通有沒有需要怎麼樣的補助可以讓他做得更符合實際道路的現況\n\n14\n00:04:26,659 --> 00:04:34,643\n對因為還有一件事情來部長您看這一張這也是一個交通公園但是真實的路面上面會有這麼多交通耗製嗎\n\n15\n00:04:37,148 --> 00:04:56,919\n不是吧對不對這個是哪一個縣市新北市的新店交通公園他很早期做我覺得我肯定當時大家來做這件事情但是我們是不是可以更優化因為我們最主要交通公園就是幫助孩子在真實的環境下面學會如何的安全過馬路那這件事情我想大家現場都有笑不太可能有這麼多號誌\n\n16\n00:04:58,180 --> 00:05:21,393\n對不對他到底要注意落實還是當心台車不可能嘛所以是不是有可能來提除了我們來upgrade之外我們可不可以來跟各縣市的請各縣市的我們這些交通主管機關來協助排列我們現在的交通公園裡面還有沒有哪些要來做調整修正接近我們來跟他們討論看怎麼優化好不好優化的層面我們盡量來協助地方政府\n\n17\n00:05:21,817 --> 00:05:38,455\n好那這部分我們大概什麼時候可以來跟部長再追再下一次的進度呢我們最近是有跟地方政府都有在開到岸的聯繫的這個會議啦另外再找各縣來我們找各縣市來討論大概三個月的時間好不好三個月喔跟各縣市溝通完畢可以再快一點嗎\n\n18\n00:05:49,482 --> 00:06:02,366\n我們有一個全民參與街道改善平台的一個計畫平台我覺得這是一個很好的讓全民一起來參與可是我發現裡面有一些問題就是第一個提示有八個案子喔可是有七個案子都有狀況\n\n19\n00:06:03,826 --> 00:06:23,216\n而且這七個案子都預期了而且再進去看喔很多案件完全沒有任何的資料所以這個平台到底實際上是照理來講他應該要讓民眾知道我提了這個案子之後我的進度是什麼可是好像完全沒有達到這個效果可不可以簡單說明一下為什麼這是國土署的一個平台我是不是請國土署好謝謝\n\n20\n00:06:26,068 --> 00:06:46,696\n委員這邊報告因為我們這個是大概半年前先公告地點那現在地方政府大概都還在做規劃跟民眾溝通的階段那如果有申請規劃案的部分我們就會在網路上公開這樣子但是問題是你看嘉義市案件就非常的齊全了新竹市是什麼都沒有\n\n21\n00:06:48,503 --> 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對不對這個是哪一個縣市新北市的新店交通公園他很早期做我覺得我肯定當時大家來做這件事情但是我們是不是可以更優化因為我們最主要交通公園就是幫助孩子在真實的環境下面學會如何的安全過馬路那這件事情我想大家現場都有笑不太可能有這麼多號誌\n298180\t321393\t對不對他到底要注意落實還是當心台車不可能嘛所以是不是有可能來提除了我們來upgrade之外我們可不可以來跟各縣市的請各縣市的我們這些交通主管機關來協助排列我們現在的交通公園裡面還有沒有哪些要來做調整修正接近我們來跟他們討論看怎麼優化好不好優化的層面我們盡量來協助地方政府\n321817\t338455\t好 那這部分我們大概什麼時候可以來跟部長再追 再 下一次的進度呢我們最近是有跟地方政府都有在開到岸的聯繫的這個會議啦另外再找各縣來我們找各縣市來討論大概三個月的時間好不好三個月喔 跟各縣市溝通完畢可以再快一點嗎\n349482\t362366\t我們有一個全民參與街道改善平台的一個計畫平台我覺得這是一個很好的讓全民一起來參與可是我發現裡面有一些問題就是第一個提示有八個案子喔可是有七個案子都有狀況\n363826\t383216\t而且這七個案子都預期了而且再進去看喔很多案件完全沒有任何的資料所以這個平台到底實際上是照理來講他應該要讓民眾知道我提了這個案子之後我的進度是什麼可是好像完全沒有達到這個效果可不可以簡單說明一下為什麼這是國土署的一個平台我是不是請國土署好 謝謝\n386068\t406696\t委員這邊報告因為我們這個是大概半年前先公告地點那現在地方政府大概都還在做規劃跟民眾溝通的階段那如果有申請規劃案的部分我們就會在網路上公開這樣子但是問題是你看嘉義市案件就非常的齊全了新竹市是什麼都沒有\n408503\t429828\t因為新竹市這個案子當地反彈力量很大對 民眾抗議的非常嚴重對 那我想問一下 那我們這樣沒關係 我想時間可能有限啦我們會會約時間來詳細的討論好不好因為不能讓這種參與形同虛設嘛 好不好其實我們是想製造大家對話的機會對 可是現在看起來是好像沒有任何進度啊 好不好 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全台灣有很多交通公園但是只有這一個是擬真的交通公園也就是說它是真的號誌燈會亮的讓孩子在真實的情境裡面下去學習的但我不確定我的數據是不是正確的所以我不曉得說交通部有沒有掌握我們全台灣有多少的一個交通公園呢\n報告員這一個擬真公園我有去過這個台南的這個我有去過那目前我們有13處的交通公園那真正擬真的可能沒有這麼多那我們現在桃園監理站監理站已經有做了一個擬真的那我們現在在高雄在雲林還有士林士林也就是我們台北的監理站都是在監理站嘛對不對好我懂那我先確認一件事就是我們在監理站有做但是交通公園擬真的就這個對不對\n那其他的12個都是交通公園其他縣市我們都是補助啦他們是做交通公園但是真正擬真的我目前只有看到這一點好那這部分我就是想要來跟部長爭取我們可不可以有更多的擬真雖然說我們有監理所但是我想要跟部長說明的就是說他怎麼沒有辦法\n你真的部分的您看喔在我們的建立所部分他比較是一個月來每個月讓大家來預約他比較是像是一個校外教學的課程好然後呢在東京呢其實光一個東京市他就20個\n20個交通公園了那其實去年聯合國也都是在講說讓孩子透過遊戲來學習這些東西的話效果會更好那我們有沒有可能讓交通公園有更多呢因為那個是小孩可能每一天或是每一個禮拜他都可以去的這樣子的學習效果絕對比他一個禮拜或是一個學期甚至一個學期吧老師了不起大家去一次了不起對所以這樣子我們是不是可以來跟各個縣市\n看是要提供什麼樣子的講座補助辦法讓大家都來以現在像左邊這個就是台中泉源公園新竹也有台北也有我們是可不可以以現在幫他upgrade就好讓他變接近擬真了這可不可以做到這個建議我們一定會參考就是說以現有的還有12個沒有擬真的我們就跟縣市政府來溝通有沒有需要怎麼樣的補助可以讓他做得更符合實際道路的現況\n對 因為還有一件事情來 部長您看這一張這也是一個交通公園但是真實的路面上面會有這麼多交通耗製嗎\n不是吧 對不對這個是哪一個縣市新北市的新店交通公園他很早期做我覺得我肯定當時大家來做這件事情但是我們是不是可以更優化因為我們最主要交通公園就是幫助孩子在真實的環境下面學會如何的安全過馬路那這件事情我想大家現場都有笑不太可能有這麼多號誌\n對不對他到底要注意落實還是當心台車不可能嘛所以是不是有可能來提除了我們來upgrade之外我們可不可以來跟各縣市的請各縣市的我們這些交通主管機關來協助排列我們現在的交通公園裡面還有沒有哪些要來做調整修正接近我們來跟他們討論看怎麼優化好不好優化的層面我們盡量來協助地方政府\n好 那這部分我們大概什麼時候可以來跟部長再追 再 下一次的進度呢我們最近是有跟地方政府都有在開到岸的聯繫的這個會議啦另外再找各縣來我們找各縣市來討論大概三個月的時間好不好三個月喔 跟各縣市溝通完畢可以再快一點嗎\n我們有一個全民參與街道改善平台的一個計畫平台我覺得這是一個很好的讓全民一起來參與可是我發現裡面有一些問題就是第一個提示有八個案子喔可是有七個案子都有狀況\n而且這七個案子都預期了而且再進去看喔很多案件完全沒有任何的資料所以這個平台到底實際上是照理來講他應該要讓民眾知道我提了這個案子之後我的進度是什麼可是好像完全沒有達到這個效果可不可以簡單說明一下為什麼這是國土署的一個平台我是不是請國土署好 謝謝\n委員這邊報告因為我們這個是大概半年前先公告地點那現在地方政府大概都還在做規劃跟民眾溝通的階段那如果有申請規劃案的部分我們就會在網路上公開這樣子但是問題是你看嘉義市案件就非常的齊全了新竹市是什麼都沒有\n因為新竹市這個案子當地反彈力量很大對 民眾抗議的非常嚴重對 那我想問一下 那我們這樣沒關係 我想時間可能有限啦我們會會約時間來詳細的討論好不好因為不能讓這種參與形同虛設嘛 好不好其實我們是想製造大家對話的機會對 可是現在看起來是好像沒有任何進度啊 好不好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.567 --> 00:02.392\n現在主席我們有請部長請部長\n\n00:08.680 --> 00:29.935\n部長好今天也是要來針對人本交通的一些執行的細節想要來跟部長做討論那就是說我知道在看今天的報告我們是有跟教育部來合作針對於各個高中小校甚至到大專我們都有一些安全教育的交通宣導的一些課程跟規劃那我覺得想提供一個建議給部長就是說\n\n00:33.291 --> 00:50.192\n我們現在有非常多這個跟教育部來合作這個交通安全種子的師資培訓研習喔那這是一個很好的開始但是夏業就是說我們是不是有可能因為這些大學生喔他們都是可能在20歲的時候18歲的時候就會去考照了嘛對不對\n\n00:50.953 --> 01:20.047\n我們是不是可以讓他更了解兒童的視角是什麼讓他在開車的時候更有一些警覺不是只有說小孩自己要怎麼助力而是每個駕駛人他都應該去了解所以我在網路上面看到有個團體他們在做這樣子的一個工作坊然後他們也是對大學生做那就會讓大學生更了解說原來小孩子看不到我們是不是有可能把這樣子的體驗課程放在大專學校的安全教育課程裡面呢\n\n01:20.587 --> 01:30.862\n報告委員這個部分是很值得參考的一個建議那教育部也應該會做這方面的這個協助教育部可以簡單回應一下嗎\n\n01:33.506 --> 01:50.636\n跟委員報告部分我想針對委員所提的部分我們會把它納入到我們相關的那個交通安全的研習的部分然後來提供有這樣子的一個體驗的經驗對因為這個是一個全球城市設計倡議組織他們其實最主要一開始就是北美的交通安全委員會\n\n01:52.136 --> 02:09.562\n開始的就是有關於就是回到從最脆弱的兒童怎麼樣去照顧他們大人應該要做到哪些事情那這個部分詳細的資訊我們也可以再pass給你們好不好謝謝那下一個就是來講就是交通公務員今天我們的主席剛好也有來質詢到這一題那我就是繼續下去就是\n\n02:10.603 --> 02:30.005\n據我所知啦齁全台灣有很多交通公園但是只有這一個是擬真的交通公園也就是說它是真的號誌燈會亮的讓孩子在真實的情境裡面下去學習的但我不確定我的數據是不是正確的所以我不曉得說交通部有沒有掌握我們全台灣有多少的一個交通公園呢\n\n02:30.165 --> 02:58.630\n報告員這一個擬真公園我有去過這個台南的這個我有去過那目前我們有13處的交通公園那真正擬真的可能沒有這麼多那我們現在桃園監理站監理站已經有做了一個擬真的那我們現在在高雄在雲林還有士林士林也就是我們台北的監理站都是在監理站嘛對不對好我懂那我先確認一件事就是我們在監理站有做但是交通公園擬真的就這個對不對\n\n02:59.850 --> 03:16.295\n那其他的12個都是交通公園其他縣市我們都是補助啦他們是做交通公園但是真正擬真的我目前只有看到這一點好那這部分我就是想要來跟部長爭取我們可不可以有更多的擬真雖然說我們有監理所但是我想要跟部長說明的就是說他怎麼沒有辦法\n\n03:16.815 --> 03:32.080\n你真的部分的您看喔在我們的建立所部分他比較是一個月來每個月讓大家來預約他比較是像是一個校外教學的課程好然後呢在東京呢其實光一個東京市他就20個\n\n03:34.061 --> 03:59.640\n20個交通公園了那其實去年聯合國也都是在講說讓孩子透過遊戲來學習這些東西的話效果會更好那我們有沒有可能讓交通公園有更多呢因為那個是小孩可能每一天或是每一個禮拜他都可以去的這樣子的學習效果絕對比他一個禮拜或是一個學期甚至一個學期吧老師了不起大家去一次了不起對所以這樣子我們是不是可以來跟各個縣市\n\n04:01.241 --> 04:25.598\n看是要提供什麼樣子的講座補助辦法讓大家都來以現在像左邊這個就是台中泉源公園新竹也有台北也有我們是可不可以以現在幫他upgrade就好讓他變接近擬真了這可不可以做到這個建議我們一定會參考就是說以現有的還有12個沒有擬真的我們就跟縣市政府來溝通有沒有需要怎麼樣的補助可以讓他做得更符合實際道路的現況\n\n04:26.659 --> 04:34.643\n對因為還有一件事情來部長您看這一張這也是一個交通公園但是真實的路面上面會有這麼多交通耗製嗎\n\n04:37.148 --> 04:56.919\n不是吧對不對這個是哪一個縣市新北市的新店交通公園他很早期做我覺得我肯定當時大家來做這件事情但是我們是不是可以更優化因為我們最主要交通公園就是幫助孩子在真實的環境下面學會如何的安全過馬路那這件事情我想大家現場都有笑不太可能有這麼多號誌\n\n04:58.180 --> 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