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00:00:34,667\n去年我們就一直在討論是說我們客運業相關的駕駛人力短缺的部分而當時國發會說召集相關單位有講出一個是能夠開放僑生畢業僑生來擔任\n\n3\n00:00:36,950 --> 00:01:05,641\n我們的客運駕駛對不對也已經從去年9月30號今年的專案報告甚至專案報告當時在交通委員會本席也有質詢過有提到說會有配套會有跟跨部會溝通並且要求我們安全包括語言能力考證照不會放水等等都有講籌備了快一年時間嘛結果突然間本來預告說4月底要上路然後結果說\n\n4\n00:01:07,169 --> 00:01:30,163\n臨時喊咖對我也就我們的了解是因為講得還那麼理所當然不是就是不是喊咖啦就是說我們的了解是預告的時候就是我們相關法案在政策在施做的時候都會有相關的法令的預告那預告期間呢因為各界有不同的建議的意見各界的不同建議的聲音不是應該是去年9月30號你們提出來的時候市長\n\n5\n00:01:35,746 --> 00:01:57,627\n因為之前有部長也有來答詢過也有我們相關部會的同仁來答詢過當時本席也針對這樣的一個問題來請教本席那時候講的是說什麼是說即便是開放但是我們很多國內的大型車駕照的人數其實比駕駛人還要多換言之並不是說沒有人去考駕照\n\n6\n00:01:58,188 --> 00:02:16,519\n而是大家不一定願意拿到駕照的時候去當駕駛那時候你們提出來的解方是說沒關係我們開放畢業僑生講了一年耶而且那個時候煞有其事又講是說語言能力考證照不會放水然後還要有一年的配套跨部會都溝通好了結果現在突然喊咖\n\n7\n00:02:17,574 --> 00:02:30,654\n那這樣不就是過去這一年的時間客運業大概也在等是說可以有新的活水進來結果完全沒有來我就這樣請教是就喊咖了還是後續會推動還是有什麼配套措施\n\n8\n00:02:32,338 --> 00:02:53,804\n我跟委員報告後續不是喊卡啦後續我們因為有相關的配套措施所以公路局會跟客運全聯會等等在就相關的議題我看到的新聞講是說勞動部那邊因為修法預告所以說有疑慮暫停有沒有跟我們公路局溝通\n\n9\n00:02:54,924 --> 00:03:23,462\n有勞動部因為他預告的時候代表說之前交通部推出這個相關法例的時候沒有先跟勞動部溝通好跟我有報告因為法規預告是收集社會各界的意見所以社會各界的意見就是說大家提出來以後是送到預告法規的這個主管機關勞動部那勞動部就是說因為有提出來就是社會各界有一些提到就是他擔任這個客運或貨運的駕駛的話在語言上面是不是還有一些其他的一個\n\n10\n00:03:24,042 --> 00:03:46,494\n你要不要看一下我們半年前專案報告時候我們好幾個委員關心就關心到這一題嘛大家都認為是說語言可能會有問題結果你們專案報告裡面講都沒有你們專案報告裡面特別講語言能力一定會要求結果現在反而用這個來當理由我覺得這樣子是很噁心耶\n\n11\n00:03:49,848 --> 00:04:04,375\n來市長再說明一下是語言的能力是很重要所以他們現在當然很重要啊現在他們會進一步的跟相關的客運業者如何落實把這樣的一個事情變成然後再招聘的再僱傭的時候不是來我們是不是簡單說明一下未來會怎麼做\n\n12\n00:04:09,588 --> 00:04:13,271\n目前科育業者未來聘僱僑外生擔任駕駛本來僑外生在國內受教育是基本的語言能力未來我們對於相關擔任客運駕駛上面包括語言能力的一些基本門檻\n\n13\n00:04:33,869 --> 00:04:48,361\n或者是還有經過相關的這個業者的一個訓練這個部分我們會跟客運業者再來討論然後訂定相關的一個配套措施再送給勞動部局長現在是勞動部喊卡欸局長不能說你們\n\n14\n00:04:50,356 --> 00:05:09,447\n這個重點非常重要停車場我等一下也會問但我說現在我看到的這一個部分其實是讓大家覺得是說你們政府完全沒有橫向聯繫講了大半年的政策結果突然間又喊咔會讓民眾無所適從也會讓客運業者覺得說莫名其妙你好像是朝三暮四\n\n15\n00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:35,517\n之前先跟大家講說有有有開放了然後結果突然間就喊卡這一些不都是應該是你們一開始推出政策的時候就應該考慮到又應該評估到的地方嗎勞動部有問題結果你現在還講是說是要跟客運業者溝通今天是客運業者不想要開放嗎不是啊那怎麼會你們現在講是說要去跟客運業者溝通然後勞動部那邊怎麼解決市長是不是應該找勞動部兩個部會來討論\n\n16\n00:05:39,981 --> 00:05:58,146\n這一部分我們一定會跟勞動部來討論的照理講這個政策要上路前就應該也要討論這邊也要討論只是法規預告了以後各界有不同的建議界以後市長我比較具體是不是一個月內交通部找勞動部針對這個部分看能夠怎麼樣補正修正\n\n17\n00:05:59,987 --> 00:06:25,563\n來因為我看到部長的講法交通部陳部長的講法是說還是希望能夠開放是是這政策是我們是朝這個方向所以是不是應該要主動找勞動部溝通這沒問題我們則由公務局跟勞動部來溝通幫個忙真的政策不是倉促丟出來然後各自橫向聯繫完全沒有在這件事情上面我覺得橫向聯繫是非常糟糕的一件事來再來\n\n18\n00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:46,864\n格勒子透光率我覺得這已經是討論很久了最近有講到說我們要調整格勒子的透光率但是居然講一個是說只管新車不管舊車那如果說大家新車領牌我領牌一個月之後我再去裝那算是新車還舊車\n\n19\n00:06:50,543 --> 00:07:05,030\n我先簡單講一下我買一個新車然後我現在都是沒有貼隔熱紙我一個月之後我跟業務講好一個月之後你再幫我裝我先給監理站看一下我沒有貼一個月後裝裝了之後我不管了\n\n20\n00:07:06,332 --> 00:07:33,593\n這樣不是做半套嗎我跟委員報告我們講的新車是說某一年開始的車輛不是不是你講不是剛才委員的意思是說那以前的車以前的車都不管我們以前的車輛我們會有相關的一個指引會把相關的一個但目前看起來你們在新聞上也好或是打詢上也好其實都沒有講到舊車的部分來幾個國家美國透光率要求各州不一樣從20幾%到80幾%\n\n21\n00:07:36,809 --> 00:07:44,656\n日本要求70%以上德國更是全面禁止前黨裝格勒子\n\n22\n00:07:45,888 --> 00:08:14,076\n換言之其實世界各國也都有看到是說前檔格勒子的部分有一些是駕駛的安全視線有一些是外在看裡面譬如說像美國有一些州就認為是說他怕可能駕駛裡面看不清楚所以執法人員會比較擔心也因此他要求前檔的那個透光率一定到一定的比例那我們現在只有70%但是沒有任何的強制性甚至我們沒有做相關的一個儀器來做檢驗\n\n23\n00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,106\n那還有就是救車的部分你都說只有指引\n\n24\n00:08:19,824 --> 00:08:49,116\n很多的民眾團體其實也認為是說我們站在不管是安全道路的安全行人的安全駕駛的安全都應該要入法或是規範市長您怎麼看我簡單跟委員說明一下有關那個隔熱紙的一個使用它當然跟安全是有關的所以公務局在相關的以往的研究也好那剛才委員也特別提到各國其實對於隔熱紙的規定的這樣的一個標準其實也是不一\n\n25\n00:08:49,676 --> 00:09:19,016\n那考量整個我們國家的一個情形然後整個安全的一個重視的一個程度所以目前這個公務局它是還是有規範相關的一個前檔跟側檔的側窗的一個相關的透光率的一個標準那另外對於新車也好或者是使用的中的車輛也好現在都有相關的一個規範有好幾位委員已經有質詢過現在問題就是你們有規範但是沒有罰則或沒有落實\n\n26\n00:09:20,217 --> 00:09:42,677\n這才是大家會認為是說你這樣子的規範是不一定規範會有用我們現在的相關的一個規範委員大家應該也了解我們大概六月的時候會有一個相關的一個指引會出來那明年開始呢會對新車剛才特別提到的新車的相關的要求那新車的要求以後他如果不符合相關的規定當然就會有相關的一個處罰這是\n\n27\n00:09:44,398 --> 00:09:57,005\n所以還是會有納入法規其實真的還是建議因為現在都還是在研擬階段對不對是六月會公告對不對所以說針對說台灣的交通是不是應該要更一體適用不管是新車舊車如果說相關的規範最後\n\n28\n00:10:00,950 --> 00:10:20,651\n抱歉一分鐘的部分我覺得說電動車這個停車場的部分我還是希望能夠來了解一下那當然跟我們今天相關的修法也有相關聯不過本席有看到另外一個民怨的部分來我們看一下停車場現在因為多元支付也有一點點混淆\n\n29\n00:10:21,954 --> 00:10:48,950\n一個是說他有這個停車場他採權電子化沒有現金那民眾說要進去停車結果出來之後反而他沒有相關的多元支付結果他變成是說要出來很麻煩那再來也有有些停車場是他明明是有多元支付但是壞掉了或說他就是一直顯示故障中所以他只能收現金那次長\n\n30\n00:10:52,403 --> 00:11:18,775\n我覺得停車的部分也是民眾每天幾乎都需要停車那我們有看到當然可能我們交通部會長是說這個相關收費以及什麼可能會有其他的主管機關但是畢竟停車場中央主管機關是我們交通部那有沒有一個比較一致性的方式至少讓停車業者以及讓民眾能夠取得一個平衡在這樣的事情不要說發生說二則一然後讓民眾產生其他的民怨\n\n31\n00:11:19,895 --> 00:11:25,897\n有沒有看到這樣的狀況我想跟委員報告這分兩個其實這個支付從這一張來看我們其實是多多鼓勵這個停車場是要多元支付所以多元支付有包含各種支付的方式那這裡頭提到的是說原來是一個每億的多元支付因為機器故障然後產生某種方式沒辦法處理\n\n32\n00:11:43,061 --> 00:12:01,234\n所以這部分我想我們會跟責成這個地方主管機關就加強這樣的一個督導還有這個相關的停車設施的一個妥善率我們現在的停車場管理辦法一分鐘停車場管理辦法裡面我們有沒有相關規定一定要有什麼樣的支付方式\n\n33\n00:12:02,094 --> 00:12:22,962\n目前是沒有是所以說才會變成到這樣的情況因為我記得我國的法令有規定就是如果說我們用相關的這個新台幣支付你接收者不能拒絕譬如說有些時候有些民眾他拿一百個一塊要去付一百塊但是接收者他也是要接收嘛\n\n34\n00:12:23,422 --> 00:12:49,731\n對不對這個是現金的流通的一個我們互信原則跟一個公平信嘛那剛剛看到這兩個新聞其實這就是本席之前也有接收到民眾的一個陳情一個是他不能擠付現金只能用電子支付一個是只有付現金沒有電子支付那對我們中央組織機關裡面是不是能夠有更統一的辦法至少有一個支付方式是所有地方都可以使用的\n\n35\n00:12:51,649 --> 00:13:16,790\n我跟委員以前大家可能會覺得是現金現金支付的方式我想是必然是基本的啦那委員剛才特別提到的有很多尤其是人力的一個節省所以很多像這種收費方式是無人採用機器所以如何確保機器的這個正常使用我想這一部分我們會請地方政府或者是如果說有一些是多元支付但是他至少\n\n36\n00:13:17,431 --> 00:13:20,439\n業者提供一個電話還是什麼能夠讓民眾在現場來協助做引導不要發聲上一頁\n\n37\n00:13:25,916 --> 00:13:49,829\n不要發生就說車停進去但是車出不來的狀況我想這才是我們所關心的重點是這一部分我的了解很像這個都會有一個類似像按鈕或電話可以有一個人來通知服務那這部分如果沒有的話我想我們會也是一樣我們每一年大概都會停車場都有督導那在這部分的時候我們來加強要求加強落實好不好是是是謝謝是謝謝洪孟楷\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1783\t20139\t好 主席謝謝 麻煩請我們次長好 陳次長好 陳次長幾個交通專業的部分也是國人所關心的政策的轉彎我想也要跟你再就教一下 來\n21710\t34667\t去年我們就一直在討論是說我們客運業相關的駕駛人力短缺的部分而當時國發會說召集相關單位有講出一個是能夠開放僑生畢業僑生來擔任\n36950\t65641\t我們的客運駕駛 對不對也已經從去年9月30號今年的專案報告甚至專案報告當時在交通委員會本席也有質詢過有提到說會有配套會有跟跨部會溝通並且要求我們安全包括語言能力考證照不會放水等等都有講籌備了快一年時間嘛結果突然間本來預告說4月底要上路然後結果說\n67169\t90163\t臨時喊咖對 我也就我們的了解是因為講得還那麼理所當然不是 就是不是喊咖啦就是說我們的了解是預告的時候就是我們相關法案在政策在施做的時候都會有相關的法令的預告那預告期間呢因為各界有不同的建議的意見各界的不同建議的聲音不是應該是去年9月30號你們提出來的時候市長\n95746\t117627\t因為之前有部長也有來答詢過也有我們相關部會的同仁來答詢過當時本席也針對這樣的一個問題來請教本席那時候講的是說什麼是說即便是開放但是我們很多國內的大型車駕照的人數其實比駕駛人還要多換言之並不是說沒有人去考駕照\n118188\t136519\t而是大家不一定願意拿到駕照的時候去當駕駛那時候你們提出來的解方是說沒關係我們開放畢業僑生講了一年耶而且那個時候煞有其事又講是說語言能力考證照不會放水然後還要有一年的配套跨部會都溝通好了結果現在突然喊咖\n137574\t150654\t那這樣不就是過去這一年的時間客運業大概也在等是說可以有新的活水進來結果完全沒有來 我就這樣請教是就喊咖了還是後續會推動還是有什麼配套措施\n152338\t173804\t我跟委員報告後續不是喊卡啦後續我們因為有相關的配套措施所以公路局會跟客運全聯會等等在就相關的議題我看到的新聞講是說勞動部那邊因為修法預告所以說有疑慮暫停有沒有跟我們公路局溝通\n174924\t203462\t有 勞動部因為他預告的時候代表說之前交通部推出這個相關法例的時候沒有先跟勞動部溝通好跟我有報告因為法規預告是收集社會各界的意見所以社會各界的意見就是說大家提出來以後是送到預告法規的這個主管機關勞動部那勞動部就是說因為有提出來就是社會各界有一些提到就是他擔任這個客運或貨運的駕駛的話在語言上面是不是還有一些其他的一個\n204042\t226494\t你要不要看一下我們半年前專案報告時候我們好幾個委員關心就關心到這一題嘛大家都認為是說語言可能會有問題結果你們專案報告裡面講都沒有你們專案報告裡面特別講語言能力一定會要求結果現在反而用這個來當理由我覺得這樣子是很噁心耶\n229848\t244375\t來 市長再說明一下是語言的能力是很重要所以他們現在當然很重要啊現在他們會進一步的跟相關的客運業者如何落實把這樣的一個事情變成然後再招聘的再僱傭的時候不是來我們是不是簡單說明一下未來會怎麼做\n249588\t253271\t目前科育業者未來聘僱僑外生擔任駕駛本來僑外生在國內受教育是基本的語言能力未來我們對於相關擔任客運駕駛上面包括語言能力的一些基本門檻\n273869\t288361\t或者是還有經過相關的這個業者的一個訓練這個部分我們會跟客運業者再來討論然後訂定相關的一個配套措施再送給勞動部局長現在是勞動部喊卡欸 局長不能說你們\n290356\t309447\t這個重點非常重要停車場我等一下也會問但我說現在我看到的這一個部分其實是讓大家覺得是說你們政府完全沒有橫向聯繫講了大半年的政策結果突然間又喊咔會讓民眾無所適從也會讓客運業者覺得說莫名其妙你好像是朝三暮四\n310387\t335517\t之前先跟大家講說有有有開放了然後結果突然間就喊卡這一些不都是應該是你們一開始推出政策的時候就應該考慮到又應該評估到的地方嗎勞動部有問題結果你現在還講是說是要跟客運業者溝通今天是客運業者不想要開放嗎不是啊那怎麼會你們現在講是說要去跟客運業者溝通然後勞動部那邊怎麼解決市長是不是應該找勞動部兩個部會來討論\n339981\t358146\t這一部分我們一定會跟勞動部來討論的照理講這個政策要上路前就應該也要討論 這邊也要討論只是法規預告了以後各界有不同的建議界以後市長我比較具體是不是一個月內交通部找勞動部針對這個部分看能夠怎麼樣補正修正\n359987\t385563\t來 因為我看到部長的講法交通部陳部長的講法是說還是希望能夠開放是 是 這政策是我們是朝這個方向所以是不是應該要主動找勞動部溝通這沒問題 我們則由公務局跟勞動部來溝通幫個忙 真的政策不是倉促丟出來然後各自橫向聯繫完全沒有在這件事情上面我覺得橫向聯繫是非常糟糕的一件事來 再來\n387199\t406864\t格勒子透光率我覺得這已經是討論很久了最近有講到說我們要調整格勒子的透光率但是居然講一個是說只管新車不管舊車那如果說大家新車領牌我領牌一個月之後我再去裝那算是新車還舊車\n410543\t425030\t我先簡單講一下我買一個新車然後我現在都是沒有貼隔熱紙我一個月之後我跟業務講好一個月之後你再幫我裝我先給監理站看一下我沒有貼一個月後裝裝了之後我不管了\n426332\t453593\t這樣不是做半套嗎我跟委員報告我們講的新車是說某一年開始的車輛不是不是你講不是剛才委員的意思是說那以前的車以前的車都不管我們以前的車輛我們會有相關的一個指引會把相關的一個但目前看起來你們在新聞上也好或是打詢上也好其實都沒有講到舊車的部分來幾個國家美國透光率要求各州不一樣從20幾%到80幾%\n456809\t464656\t日本要求70%以上德國更是全面禁止前黨裝格勒子\n465888\t494076\t換言之其實世界各國也都有看到是說前檔格勒子的部分有一些是駕駛的安全 視線有一些是外在看裡面譬如說像美國有一些州就認為是說他怕可能駕駛裡面看不清楚所以執法人員會比較擔心也因此他要求前檔的那個透光率一定到一定的比例那我們現在只有70%但是沒有任何的強制性甚至我們沒有做相關的一個儀器來做檢驗\n495495\t498106\t那還有就是救車的部分你都說只有指引\n499824\t529116\t很多的民眾團體其實也認為是說我們站在不管是安全道路的安全行人的安全駕駛的安全都應該要入法或是規範市長您怎麼看我簡單跟委員說明一下有關那個隔熱紙的一個使用它當然跟安全是有關的所以公務局在相關的以往的研究也好那剛才委員也特別提到各國其實對於隔熱紙的規定的這樣的一個標準其實也是不一\n529676\t559016\t那考量整個我們國家的一個情形然後整個安全的一個重視的一個程度所以目前這個公務局它是還是有規範相關的一個前檔跟側檔的側窗的一個相關的透光率的一個標準那另外對於新車也好或者是使用的中的車輛也好現在都有相關的一個規範有好幾位委員已經有質詢過現在問題就是你們有規範但是沒有罰則或沒有落實\n560217\t582677\t這才是大家會認為是說你這樣子的規範是不一定規範會有用我們現在的相關的一個規範委員大家應該也了解我們大概六月的時候會有一個相關的一個指引會出來那明年開始呢會對新車剛才特別提到的新車的相關的要求那新車的要求以後他如果不符合相關的規定當然就會有相關的一個處罰這是\n584398\t597005\t所以還是會有納入法規其實真的還是建議因為現在都還是在研擬階段對不對是六月會公告對不對所以說針對說台灣的交通是不是應該要更一體適用不管是新車舊車如果說相關的規範最後\n600950\t620651\t抱歉一分鐘的部分我覺得說電動車這個停車場的部分我還是希望能夠來了解一下那當然跟我們今天相關的修法也有相關聯不過本席有看到另外一個民怨的部分來我們看一下停車場現在因為多元支付也有一點點混淆\n621954\t648950\t一個是說他有這個停車場他採權電子化沒有現金那民眾說要進去停車結果出來之後反而他沒有相關的多元支付結果他變成是說要出來很麻煩那再來也有有些停車場是他明明是有多元支付但是壞掉了或說他就是一直顯示故障中所以他只能收現金那次長\n652403\t678775\t我覺得停車的部分也是民眾每天幾乎都需要停車那我們有看到 當然可能我們交通部會長是說這個相關收費以及什麼可能會有其他的主管機關但是畢竟停車場中央主管機關是我們交通部那有沒有一個比較一致性的方式至少讓停車業者以及讓民眾能夠取得一個平衡在這樣的事情不要說發生說二則一然後讓民眾產生其他的民怨\n679895\t685897\t有沒有看到這樣的狀況我想跟委員報告這分兩個其實這個支付從這一張來看我們其實是多多鼓勵這個停車場是要多元支付所以多元支付有包含各種支付的方式那這裡頭提到的是說原來是一個每億的多元支付因為機器故障然後產生某種方式沒辦法處理\n703061\t721234\t所以這部分我想我們會跟責成這個地方主管機關就加強這樣的一個督導還有這個相關的停車設施的一個妥善率我們現在的停車場管理辦法一分鐘停車場管理辦法裡面我們有沒有相關規定一定要有什麼樣的支付方式\n722094\t742962\t目前是沒有 是所以說才會變成到這樣的情況因為我記得我國的法令有規定就是如果說我們用相關的這個新台幣支付你接收者不能拒絕譬如說有些時候有些民眾他拿一百個一塊要去付一百塊但是接收者他也是要接收嘛\n743422\t769731\t對不對 這個是現金的流通的一個我們互信原則跟一個公平信嘛那剛剛看到這兩個新聞其實這就是本席之前也有接收到民眾的一個陳情一個是他不能擠付現金 只能用電子支付一個是只有付現金 沒有電子支付那對我們中央組織機關裡面是不是能夠有更統一的辦法至少有一個支付方式是所有地方都可以使用的\n771649\t796790\t我跟委員以前大家可能會覺得是現金現金支付的方式我想是必然是基本的啦那委員剛才特別提到的有很多尤其是人力的一個節省所以很多像這種收費方式是無人採用機器所以如何確保機器的這個正常使用我想這一部分我們會請地方政府或者是如果說有一些是多元支付但是他至少\n797431\t800439\t業者提供一個電話還是什麼能夠讓民眾在現場來協助做引導不要發聲上一頁\n805916\t829829\t不要發生就說車停進去但是車出不來的狀況我想這才是我們所關心的重點是這一部分我的了解很像這個都會有一個類似像按鈕或電話可以有一個人來通知服務那這部分如果沒有的話我想我們會也是一樣我們每一年大概都會停車場都有督導那在這部分的時候我們來加強要求加強落實好不好是是是謝謝是謝謝洪孟楷\n","txt":"好 主席謝謝 麻煩請我們次長好 陳次長好 陳次長幾個交通專業的部分也是國人所關心的政策的轉彎我想也要跟你再就教一下 來\n去年我們就一直在討論是說我們客運業相關的駕駛人力短缺的部分而當時國發會說召集相關單位有講出一個是能夠開放僑生畢業僑生來擔任\n我們的客運駕駛 對不對也已經從去年9月30號今年的專案報告甚至專案報告當時在交通委員會本席也有質詢過有提到說會有配套會有跟跨部會溝通並且要求我們安全包括語言能力考證照不會放水等等都有講籌備了快一年時間嘛結果突然間本來預告說4月底要上路然後結果說\n臨時喊咖對 我也就我們的了解是因為講得還那麼理所當然不是 就是不是喊咖啦就是說我們的了解是預告的時候就是我們相關法案在政策在施做的時候都會有相關的法令的預告那預告期間呢因為各界有不同的建議的意見各界的不同建議的聲音不是應該是去年9月30號你們提出來的時候市長\n因為之前有部長也有來答詢過也有我們相關部會的同仁來答詢過當時本席也針對這樣的一個問題來請教本席那時候講的是說什麼是說即便是開放但是我們很多國內的大型車駕照的人數其實比駕駛人還要多換言之並不是說沒有人去考駕照\n而是大家不一定願意拿到駕照的時候去當駕駛那時候你們提出來的解方是說沒關係我們開放畢業僑生講了一年耶而且那個時候煞有其事又講是說語言能力考證照不會放水然後還要有一年的配套跨部會都溝通好了結果現在突然喊咖\n那這樣不就是過去這一年的時間客運業大概也在等是說可以有新的活水進來結果完全沒有來 我就這樣請教是就喊咖了還是後續會推動還是有什麼配套措施\n我跟委員報告後續不是喊卡啦後續我們因為有相關的配套措施所以公路局會跟客運全聯會等等在就相關的議題我看到的新聞講是說勞動部那邊因為修法預告所以說有疑慮暫停有沒有跟我們公路局溝通\n有 勞動部因為他預告的時候代表說之前交通部推出這個相關法例的時候沒有先跟勞動部溝通好跟我有報告因為法規預告是收集社會各界的意見所以社會各界的意見就是說大家提出來以後是送到預告法規的這個主管機關勞動部那勞動部就是說因為有提出來就是社會各界有一些提到就是他擔任這個客運或貨運的駕駛的話在語言上面是不是還有一些其他的一個\n你要不要看一下我們半年前專案報告時候我們好幾個委員關心就關心到這一題嘛大家都認為是說語言可能會有問題結果你們專案報告裡面講都沒有你們專案報告裡面特別講語言能力一定會要求結果現在反而用這個來當理由我覺得這樣子是很噁心耶\n來 市長再說明一下是語言的能力是很重要所以他們現在當然很重要啊現在他們會進一步的跟相關的客運業者如何落實把這樣的一個事情變成然後再招聘的再僱傭的時候不是來我們是不是簡單說明一下未來會怎麼做\n目前科育業者未來聘僱僑外生擔任駕駛本來僑外生在國內受教育是基本的語言能力未來我們對於相關擔任客運駕駛上面包括語言能力的一些基本門檻\n或者是還有經過相關的這個業者的一個訓練這個部分我們會跟客運業者再來討論然後訂定相關的一個配套措施再送給勞動部局長現在是勞動部喊卡欸 局長不能說你們\n這個重點非常重要停車場我等一下也會問但我說現在我看到的這一個部分其實是讓大家覺得是說你們政府完全沒有橫向聯繫講了大半年的政策結果突然間又喊咔會讓民眾無所適從也會讓客運業者覺得說莫名其妙你好像是朝三暮四\n之前先跟大家講說有有有開放了然後結果突然間就喊卡這一些不都是應該是你們一開始推出政策的時候就應該考慮到又應該評估到的地方嗎勞動部有問題結果你現在還講是說是要跟客運業者溝通今天是客運業者不想要開放嗎不是啊那怎麼會你們現在講是說要去跟客運業者溝通然後勞動部那邊怎麼解決市長是不是應該找勞動部兩個部會來討論\n這一部分我們一定會跟勞動部來討論的照理講這個政策要上路前就應該也要討論 這邊也要討論只是法規預告了以後各界有不同的建議界以後市長我比較具體是不是一個月內交通部找勞動部針對這個部分看能夠怎麼樣補正修正\n來 因為我看到部長的講法交通部陳部長的講法是說還是希望能夠開放是 是 這政策是我們是朝這個方向所以是不是應該要主動找勞動部溝通這沒問題 我們則由公務局跟勞動部來溝通幫個忙 真的政策不是倉促丟出來然後各自橫向聯繫完全沒有在這件事情上面我覺得橫向聯繫是非常糟糕的一件事來 再來\n格勒子透光率我覺得這已經是討論很久了最近有講到說我們要調整格勒子的透光率但是居然講一個是說只管新車不管舊車那如果說大家新車領牌我領牌一個月之後我再去裝那算是新車還舊車\n我先簡單講一下我買一個新車然後我現在都是沒有貼隔熱紙我一個月之後我跟業務講好一個月之後你再幫我裝我先給監理站看一下我沒有貼一個月後裝裝了之後我不管了\n這樣不是做半套嗎我跟委員報告我們講的新車是說某一年開始的車輛不是不是你講不是剛才委員的意思是說那以前的車以前的車都不管我們以前的車輛我們會有相關的一個指引會把相關的一個但目前看起來你們在新聞上也好或是打詢上也好其實都沒有講到舊車的部分來幾個國家美國透光率要求各州不一樣從20幾%到80幾%\n日本要求70%以上德國更是全面禁止前黨裝格勒子\n換言之其實世界各國也都有看到是說前檔格勒子的部分有一些是駕駛的安全 視線有一些是外在看裡面譬如說像美國有一些州就認為是說他怕可能駕駛裡面看不清楚所以執法人員會比較擔心也因此他要求前檔的那個透光率一定到一定的比例那我們現在只有70%但是沒有任何的強制性甚至我們沒有做相關的一個儀器來做檢驗\n那還有就是救車的部分你都說只有指引\n很多的民眾團體其實也認為是說我們站在不管是安全道路的安全行人的安全駕駛的安全都應該要入法或是規範市長您怎麼看我簡單跟委員說明一下有關那個隔熱紙的一個使用它當然跟安全是有關的所以公務局在相關的以往的研究也好那剛才委員也特別提到各國其實對於隔熱紙的規定的這樣的一個標準其實也是不一\n那考量整個我們國家的一個情形然後整個安全的一個重視的一個程度所以目前這個公務局它是還是有規範相關的一個前檔跟側檔的側窗的一個相關的透光率的一個標準那另外對於新車也好或者是使用的中的車輛也好現在都有相關的一個規範有好幾位委員已經有質詢過現在問題就是你們有規範但是沒有罰則或沒有落實\n這才是大家會認為是說你這樣子的規範是不一定規範會有用我們現在的相關的一個規範委員大家應該也了解我們大概六月的時候會有一個相關的一個指引會出來那明年開始呢會對新車剛才特別提到的新車的相關的要求那新車的要求以後他如果不符合相關的規定當然就會有相關的一個處罰這是\n所以還是會有納入法規其實真的還是建議因為現在都還是在研擬階段對不對是六月會公告對不對所以說針對說台灣的交通是不是應該要更一體適用不管是新車舊車如果說相關的規範最後\n抱歉一分鐘的部分我覺得說電動車這個停車場的部分我還是希望能夠來了解一下那當然跟我們今天相關的修法也有相關聯不過本席有看到另外一個民怨的部分來我們看一下停車場現在因為多元支付也有一點點混淆\n一個是說他有這個停車場他採權電子化沒有現金那民眾說要進去停車結果出來之後反而他沒有相關的多元支付結果他變成是說要出來很麻煩那再來也有有些停車場是他明明是有多元支付但是壞掉了或說他就是一直顯示故障中所以他只能收現金那次長\n我覺得停車的部分也是民眾每天幾乎都需要停車那我們有看到 當然可能我們交通部會長是說這個相關收費以及什麼可能會有其他的主管機關但是畢竟停車場中央主管機關是我們交通部那有沒有一個比較一致性的方式至少讓停車業者以及讓民眾能夠取得一個平衡在這樣的事情不要說發生說二則一然後讓民眾產生其他的民怨\n有沒有看到這樣的狀況我想跟委員報告這分兩個其實這個支付從這一張來看我們其實是多多鼓勵這個停車場是要多元支付所以多元支付有包含各種支付的方式那這裡頭提到的是說原來是一個每億的多元支付因為機器故障然後產生某種方式沒辦法處理\n所以這部分我想我們會跟責成這個地方主管機關就加強這樣的一個督導還有這個相關的停車設施的一個妥善率我們現在的停車場管理辦法一分鐘停車場管理辦法裡面我們有沒有相關規定一定要有什麼樣的支付方式\n目前是沒有 是所以說才會變成到這樣的情況因為我記得我國的法令有規定就是如果說我們用相關的這個新台幣支付你接收者不能拒絕譬如說有些時候有些民眾他拿一百個一塊要去付一百塊但是接收者他也是要接收嘛\n對不對 這個是現金的流通的一個我們互信原則跟一個公平信嘛那剛剛看到這兩個新聞其實這就是本席之前也有接收到民眾的一個陳情一個是他不能擠付現金 只能用電子支付一個是只有付現金 沒有電子支付那對我們中央組織機關裡面是不是能夠有更統一的辦法至少有一個支付方式是所有地方都可以使用的\n我跟委員以前大家可能會覺得是現金現金支付的方式我想是必然是基本的啦那委員剛才特別提到的有很多尤其是人力的一個節省所以很多像這種收費方式是無人採用機器所以如何確保機器的這個正常使用我想這一部分我們會請地方政府或者是如果說有一些是多元支付但是他至少\n業者提供一個電話還是什麼能夠讓民眾在現場來協助做引導不要發聲上一頁\n不要發生就說車停進去但是車出不來的狀況我想這才是我們所關心的重點是這一部分我的了解很像這個都會有一個類似像按鈕或電話可以有一個人來通知服務那這部分如果沒有的話我想我們會也是一樣我們每一年大概都會停車場都有督導那在這部分的時候我們來加強要求加強落實好不好是是是謝謝是謝謝洪孟楷\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.783 --> 00:20.139\n好主席謝謝麻煩請我們次長好陳次長好陳次長幾個交通專業的部分也是國人所關心的政策的轉彎我想也要跟你再就教一下來\n\n00:21.710 --> 00:34.667\n去年我們就一直在討論是說我們客運業相關的駕駛人力短缺的部分而當時國發會說召集相關單位有講出一個是能夠開放僑生畢業僑生來擔任\n\n00:36.950 --> 01:05.641\n我們的客運駕駛對不對也已經從去年9月30號今年的專案報告甚至專案報告當時在交通委員會本席也有質詢過有提到說會有配套會有跟跨部會溝通並且要求我們安全包括語言能力考證照不會放水等等都有講籌備了快一年時間嘛結果突然間本來預告說4月底要上路然後結果說\n\n01:07.169 --> 01:30.163\n臨時喊咖對我也就我們的了解是因為講得還那麼理所當然不是就是不是喊咖啦就是說我們的了解是預告的時候就是我們相關法案在政策在施做的時候都會有相關的法令的預告那預告期間呢因為各界有不同的建議的意見各界的不同建議的聲音不是應該是去年9月30號你們提出來的時候市長\n\n01:35.746 --> 01:57.627\n因為之前有部長也有來答詢過也有我們相關部會的同仁來答詢過當時本席也針對這樣的一個問題來請教本席那時候講的是說什麼是說即便是開放但是我們很多國內的大型車駕照的人數其實比駕駛人還要多換言之並不是說沒有人去考駕照\n\n01:58.188 --> 02:16.519\n而是大家不一定願意拿到駕照的時候去當駕駛那時候你們提出來的解方是說沒關係我們開放畢業僑生講了一年耶而且那個時候煞有其事又講是說語言能力考證照不會放水然後還要有一年的配套跨部會都溝通好了結果現在突然喊咖\n\n02:17.574 --> 02:30.654\n那這樣不就是過去這一年的時間客運業大概也在等是說可以有新的活水進來結果完全沒有來我就這樣請教是就喊咖了還是後續會推動還是有什麼配套措施\n\n02:32.338 --> 02:53.804\n我跟委員報告後續不是喊卡啦後續我們因為有相關的配套措施所以公路局會跟客運全聯會等等在就相關的議題我看到的新聞講是說勞動部那邊因為修法預告所以說有疑慮暫停有沒有跟我們公路局溝通\n\n02:54.924 --> 03:23.462\n有勞動部因為他預告的時候代表說之前交通部推出這個相關法例的時候沒有先跟勞動部溝通好跟我有報告因為法規預告是收集社會各界的意見所以社會各界的意見就是說大家提出來以後是送到預告法規的這個主管機關勞動部那勞動部就是說因為有提出來就是社會各界有一些提到就是他擔任這個客運或貨運的駕駛的話在語言上面是不是還有一些其他的一個\n\n03:24.042 --> 03:46.494\n你要不要看一下我們半年前專案報告時候我們好幾個委員關心就關心到這一題嘛大家都認為是說語言可能會有問題結果你們專案報告裡面講都沒有你們專案報告裡面特別講語言能力一定會要求結果現在反而用這個來當理由我覺得這樣子是很噁心耶\n\n03:49.848 --> 04:04.375\n來市長再說明一下是語言的能力是很重要所以他們現在當然很重要啊現在他們會進一步的跟相關的客運業者如何落實把這樣的一個事情變成然後再招聘的再僱傭的時候不是來我們是不是簡單說明一下未來會怎麼做\n\n04:09.588 --> 04:13.271\n目前科育業者未來聘僱僑外生擔任駕駛本來僑外生在國內受教育是基本的語言能力未來我們對於相關擔任客運駕駛上面包括語言能力的一些基本門檻\n\n04:33.869 --> 04:48.361\n或者是還有經過相關的這個業者的一個訓練這個部分我們會跟客運業者再來討論然後訂定相關的一個配套措施再送給勞動部局長現在是勞動部喊卡欸局長不能說你們\n\n04:50.356 --> 05:09.447\n這個重點非常重要停車場我等一下也會問但我說現在我看到的這一個部分其實是讓大家覺得是說你們政府完全沒有橫向聯繫講了大半年的政策結果突然間又喊咔會讓民眾無所適從也會讓客運業者覺得說莫名其妙你好像是朝三暮四\n\n05:10.387 --> 05:35.517\n之前先跟大家講說有有有開放了然後結果突然間就喊卡這一些不都是應該是你們一開始推出政策的時候就應該考慮到又應該評估到的地方嗎勞動部有問題結果你現在還講是說是要跟客運業者溝通今天是客運業者不想要開放嗎不是啊那怎麼會你們現在講是說要去跟客運業者溝通然後勞動部那邊怎麼解決市長是不是應該找勞動部兩個部會來討論\n\n05:39.981 --> 05:58.146\n這一部分我們一定會跟勞動部來討論的照理講這個政策要上路前就應該也要討論這邊也要討論只是法規預告了以後各界有不同的建議界以後市長我比較具體是不是一個月內交通部找勞動部針對這個部分看能夠怎麼樣補正修正\n\n05:59.987 --> 06:25.563\n來因為我看到部長的講法交通部陳部長的講法是說還是希望能夠開放是是這政策是我們是朝這個方向所以是不是應該要主動找勞動部溝通這沒問題我們則由公務局跟勞動部來溝通幫個忙真的政策不是倉促丟出來然後各自橫向聯繫完全沒有在這件事情上面我覺得橫向聯繫是非常糟糕的一件事來再來\n\n06:27.199 --> 06:46.864\n格勒子透光率我覺得這已經是討論很久了最近有講到說我們要調整格勒子的透光率但是居然講一個是說只管新車不管舊車那如果說大家新車領牌我領牌一個月之後我再去裝那算是新車還舊車\n\n06:50.543 --> 07:05.030\n我先簡單講一下我買一個新車然後我現在都是沒有貼隔熱紙我一個月之後我跟業務講好一個月之後你再幫我裝我先給監理站看一下我沒有貼一個月後裝裝了之後我不管了\n\n07:06.332 --> 07:33.593\n這樣不是做半套嗎我跟委員報告我們講的新車是說某一年開始的車輛不是不是你講不是剛才委員的意思是說那以前的車以前的車都不管我們以前的車輛我們會有相關的一個指引會把相關的一個但目前看起來你們在新聞上也好或是打詢上也好其實都沒有講到舊車的部分來幾個國家美國透光率要求各州不一樣從20幾%到80幾%\n\n07:36.809 --> 07:44.656\n日本要求70%以上德國更是全面禁止前黨裝格勒子\n\n07:45.888 --> 08:14.076\n換言之其實世界各國也都有看到是說前檔格勒子的部分有一些是駕駛的安全視線有一些是外在看裡面譬如說像美國有一些州就認為是說他怕可能駕駛裡面看不清楚所以執法人員會比較擔心也因此他要求前檔的那個透光率一定到一定的比例那我們現在只有70%但是沒有任何的強制性甚至我們沒有做相關的一個儀器來做檢驗\n\n08:15.495 --> 08:18.106\n那還有就是救車的部分你都說只有指引\n\n08:19.824 --> 08:49.116\n很多的民眾團體其實也認為是說我們站在不管是安全道路的安全行人的安全駕駛的安全都應該要入法或是規範市長您怎麼看我簡單跟委員說明一下有關那個隔熱紙的一個使用它當然跟安全是有關的所以公務局在相關的以往的研究也好那剛才委員也特別提到各國其實對於隔熱紙的規定的這樣的一個標準其實也是不一\n\n08:49.676 --> 09:19.016\n那考量整個我們國家的一個情形然後整個安全的一個重視的一個程度所以目前這個公務局它是還是有規範相關的一個前檔跟側檔的側窗的一個相關的透光率的一個標準那另外對於新車也好或者是使用的中的車輛也好現在都有相關的一個規範有好幾位委員已經有質詢過現在問題就是你們有規範但是沒有罰則或沒有落實\n\n09:20.217 --> 09:42.677\n這才是大家會認為是說你這樣子的規範是不一定規範會有用我們現在的相關的一個規範委員大家應該也了解我們大概六月的時候會有一個相關的一個指引會出來那明年開始呢會對新車剛才特別提到的新車的相關的要求那新車的要求以後他如果不符合相關的規定當然就會有相關的一個處罰這是\n\n09:44.398 --> 09:57.005\n所以還是會有納入法規其實真的還是建議因為現在都還是在研擬階段對不對是六月會公告對不對所以說針對說台灣的交通是不是應該要更一體適用不管是新車舊車如果說相關的規範最後\n\n10:00.950 --> 10:20.651\n抱歉一分鐘的部分我覺得說電動車這個停車場的部分我還是希望能夠來了解一下那當然跟我們今天相關的修法也有相關聯不過本席有看到另外一個民怨的部分來我們看一下停車場現在因為多元支付也有一點點混淆\n\n10:21.954 --> 10:48.950\n一個是說他有這個停車場他採權電子化沒有現金那民眾說要進去停車結果出來之後反而他沒有相關的多元支付結果他變成是說要出來很麻煩那再來也有有些停車場是他明明是有多元支付但是壞掉了或說他就是一直顯示故障中所以他只能收現金那次長\n\n10:52.403 --> 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視線有一些是外在看裡面譬如說像美國有一些州就認為是說他怕可能駕駛裡面看不清楚所以執法人員會比較擔心也因此他要求前檔的那個透光率一定到一定的比例那我們現在只有70%但是沒有任何的強制性甚至我們沒有做相關的一個儀器來做檢驗"},{"start":495.495,"end":498.106,"text":"那還有就是救車的部分你都說只有指引"},{"start":499.824,"end":529.116,"text":"很多的民眾團體其實也認為是說我們站在不管是安全道路的安全行人的安全駕駛的安全都應該要入法或是規範市長您怎麼看我簡單跟委員說明一下有關那個隔熱紙的一個使用它當然跟安全是有關的所以公務局在相關的以往的研究也好那剛才委員也特別提到各國其實對於隔熱紙的規定的這樣的一個標準其實也是不一"},{"start":529.676,"end":559.016,"text":"那考量整個我們國家的一個情形然後整個安全的一個重視的一個程度所以目前這個公務局它是還是有規範相關的一個前檔跟側檔的側窗的一個相關的透光率的一個標準那另外對於新車也好或者是使用的中的車輛也好現在都有相關的一個規範有好幾位委員已經有質詢過現在問題就是你們有規範但是沒有罰則或沒有落實"},{"start":560.217,"end":582.677,"text":"這才是大家會認為是說你這樣子的規範是不一定規範會有用我們現在的相關的一個規範委員大家應該也了解我們大概六月的時候會有一個相關的一個指引會出來那明年開始呢會對新車剛才特別提到的新車的相關的要求那新車的要求以後他如果不符合相關的規定當然就會有相關的一個處罰這是"},{"start":584.398,"end":597.005,"text":"所以還是會有納入法規其實真的還是建議因為現在都還是在研擬階段對不對是六月會公告對不對所以說針對說台灣的交通是不是應該要更一體適用不管是新車舊車如果說相關的規範最後"},{"start":600.95,"end":620.651,"text":"抱歉一分鐘的部分我覺得說電動車這個停車場的部分我還是希望能夠來了解一下那當然跟我們今天相關的修法也有相關聯不過本席有看到另外一個民怨的部分來我們看一下停車場現在因為多元支付也有一點點混淆"},{"start":621.954,"end":648.95,"text":"一個是說他有這個停車場他採權電子化沒有現金那民眾說要進去停車結果出來之後反而他沒有相關的多元支付結果他變成是說要出來很麻煩那再來也有有些停車場是他明明是有多元支付但是壞掉了或說他就是一直顯示故障中所以他只能收現金那次長"},{"start":652.403,"end":678.775,"text":"我覺得停車的部分也是民眾每天幾乎都需要停車那我們有看到 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一) 委員林俊憲等23 人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、\n(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、\n(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委\n員馬文君等19 人、( 七) 委員邱若華等17 人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、\n(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義\n川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十\n二條條文修正草案」案；三、審查 ( 一 ) 委員林俊憲等 22 人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草\n案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團\n擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。【本日會議僅針對開會事由二及三進行合併詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1144802_00001"}}}