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00:00:54,887\n當然長期很關注所謂酒駕的造成的這個事故但從數字上看起來無照駕駛導致的案件跟生命財產的損失遠遠高於這個酒醉駕駛那當然我們知道說在2023年4月的時候已經有修法加重在這個罰環的部分修法前是一萬二那修法後有加了兩萬四所以確實整個罰環有提高但這個修法的結果如果從這個數據上看起來\n\n4\n00:01:02,429 --> 00:01:18,135\n修法之後他基本上他的死亡跟肇事人數並沒有明顯的下降沒有明顯的改善那原因當然在於說很多無照駕駛人他雙手一攤子我沒錢或是他未成年或等等的他就不繳了就算了所以他的事故持續在發生所以我要問交通部的意見是說\n\n5\n00:01:19,468 --> 00:01:42,058\n就像我們自己在處理假車牌問題一樣本期在立法院的時候也曾經建議過當然現在也往這個方向修法這個上個週有三度通過了嘛在這個假車牌的部分最後我們有一個共識式可以這個沒入車輛那像這樣無照駕駛有沒有考慮過除了罰錢之外是不是也應該來研議這個沒入車輛的條件市長或是我們局長都可以回應\n\n6\n00:01:42,958 --> 00:02:09,467\n也是這個部分報告這個委員針對無照駕駛的這個部分的話那交通部大概也有擬居一個這個加重處罰的版本那現在也就是行政院已經通過了那後面院會通過之後就會送來這個立法院做審議那目前這個版本加重的部分大概就是幾個重點第一個部分現行保管最高額這一個兩萬四比照危險駕駛提高到這三萬六那另外一個部分當場一致保管車輛然後呢並扣繳這一個\n\n7\n00:02:13,048 --> 00:02:35,939\n這一個牌照那針對這個車輛的部分的話大家對於這個就是說無照當然無照駕駛如果發生這個形式相關的一個傷亡等等部分的話那就是一個證據那個依照情報就可以去做處理那針對一般的那個部分的話大概就是說調控這個車輛這個牌照那現行加重處分的一個規定的話針對出犯的部分原來有一個月\n\n8\n00:02:36,779 --> 00:02:58,352\n這個提高到吊扣牌照這一個三個月五年內兩次的話由三個月提高到這個半年那五年內三次以上的話就是由六個月提高到欸這個一年那其他未成年人的部分先行就有病處罰這個家長這些相關的一個規定以上大概這個跟局長跟市長說\n\n9\n00:03:00,011 --> 00:03:20,402\n就像我還是要講一下之前我們在處理假車牌的時候也常常使用這個吊扣牌照等等的手段但實際上就是因為吊扣牌照他就另外處理就好了嘛他還是可以上路啊他這個人這個人他還是有工具可以去做這樣的事情同樣的無招駕駛也是一樣問題嘛你把他牌照吊扣了是針對這台車但他這個人好他第一個他可能沒有錢繳罰款\n\n10\n00:03:21,503 --> 00:03:37,949\n那再來他同樣的可以去開別的車不管是跟朋友借的還是有些不孝車行租給他的等等的所以他還是存在這個問題嘛所以我才問說在什麼樣條件下如果你們因為你剛剛提到的版本包含說你可能現在送行政院版本也都是在針對這個吊銬牌照在做處分可是如果\n\n11\n00:03:38,949 --> 00:04:07,218\n這個車子它本身還是存在的它並沒有嚴重的就對借它車輛的人也好或是它駕駛的這個車輛不管它自己持有或是它是別人的它在它的財產上它並沒有任何損失我們通過罰緩或通過其他方式是希望它有警惕的作用所以它可以去做它不要再無招下了不要再上路了但在實際上你並沒有真正把它的作案的工具做這件事情的工具去處理當然我是覺得說這部分我不知道你們有沒有想過說真的\n\n12\n00:04:08,297 --> 00:04:18,834\n之前的案例我們超過那個假車牌的問題就是後來用末路車輛來處分那我不知道為什麼你們這個無招駕駛這部分不能去照這方向來走問題會卡在哪裡\n\n13\n00:04:20,672 --> 00:04:42,249\n跟委員報告其實要沒入車輛這件事情在這個不管是在法案討論的時候我相信各委員之間大概都是算是一個很高度要討論的一個事項因為你畢竟不是把車輛沒入而且車輛沒入是可責性委員剛才特別提到這是駕駛人的違規無照駕駛那這是處罰人這是讓沒入車\n\n14\n00:04:44,611 --> 00:05:04,440\n那之間如何連結然後如何讓他變成可責性這個所以我才會講到說在所有的處罰條例對於沒入車輛都是經過非常這個嚴謹然後大家共同的討論所以目前交通部所提出來在行政院的版本是沒有這個有關沒入車輛的部分\n\n15\n00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:25,578\n那所以當然我也有這樣的一個建議我們蠻尊重的如果有機會的時候我想可以在立法院的時候你們再思考一下啦目錄車輛的部分因為像這個無照價值剛剛提到了在最近幾年每年造成死亡就是光是無照價值的死亡人數按照大家的統計大概就七八百位一年喔\n\n16\n00:05:27,065 --> 00:05:46,260\n所以你說調通牌照出去罰款其實看起來效果不差如果他還是能夠出去做這樣的事情那我想這個部分死亡人數可能還是不會有明顯的下降這是我還是要提出來的建議那最後這段時間這個無照駕駛當然有一部分是青少年的部分那當然我現在考照的這年齡是18歲\n\n17\n00:05:47,541 --> 00:06:08,559\n那有沒有考慮過依照其他先進國家與其放任這些完全沒有駕駛概念的人上路那我們是不是有沒有考慮過把這個乾脆駕照年齡下修他可以駕駛某一種車輛或某種排氣量的等級的車子至少他在上路前他知道他有一個基本的交通法規或交通倫理嘛不知道交通部有沒有考慮過這個方向\n\n18\n00:06:11,633 --> 00:06:22,368\n這個部分我也跟委員報告一下大概就是說以往大家都在討論說先行考照18歲可否下降到16歲這個部分那其實這個部分的話部裡面從這個105年109年然後到111年\n\n19\n00:06:26,593 --> 00:06:47,178\n大概都有跨部位甚至包括找家長團體大家來共同討論那討論的一個結論是大家還是認為說還是要維持現行的部分那另外一點就是跟委員也報告因為現在的這個運居的分類包括現在有這個微型電動二輪車那14歲以上大概就可以其實這個是不需要駕駛執照的部分\n\n20\n00:06:47,658 --> 00:07:09,446\n那但是這個部分我們公共監獄機關也在做這些相關駕駛安全教育的部分所以大家在講說有些學生等等的部分的話這個基本上大概也有這樣子的運氣可以做選擇那至於駕照連連那個部分的話可能必須要社會再做一個討論好沒關係你們目前比較保守啦但我還是建議說這個東西實際面上這些人他還是會開上路\n\n21\n00:07:10,578 --> 00:07:27,487\n我們實務上看到就是這個問題當然它是違法的只是說既然他還是會上路有這個問題高中很多人就無招駕駛跑在馬路上面的那為了解決這個問題或是說可以去思考到底怎麼樣的年齡去適合他有這個能力去做這樣的事情我是希望教授們在這個變相上面都稍微積極一點好不好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2485\t5573\t好謝謝主席我們先請這個交通部政事陳政事\n12274\t26498\t我們先討論一下 我想最近這個新聞上也看到說我們的關於無照駕駛的造勢案件 其實他的實際上件數跟死亡數已經超越了9家案件了 你看一下這個數字無照駕駛在2023年 這個死亡人數是763人 酒醉駕駛造導致的死亡造勢人數253人所以換句話說 國人或整個社會我們\n33980\t54887\t當然長期很關注所謂酒駕的造成的這個事故但從數字上看起來無照駕駛導致的案件跟生命財產的損失遠遠高於這個酒醉駕駛那當然我們知道說在2023年4月的時候已經有修法加重在這個罰環的部分修法前是一萬二那修法後有加了兩萬四所以確實整個罰環有提高但這個修法的結果如果從這個數據上看起來\n62429\t78135\t修法之後他基本上他的死亡跟肇事人數並沒有明顯的下降沒有明顯的改善那原因當然在於說很多無照駕駛人他雙手一攤子我沒錢或是他未成年或等等的他就不繳了就算了所以他的事故持續在發生所以我要問交通部的意見是說\n79468\t102058\t就像我們自己在處理假車牌問題一樣本期在立法院的時候也曾經建議過當然現在也往這個方向修法這個上個週有三度通過了嘛在這個假車牌的部分最後我們有一個共識式可以這個沒入車輛那像這樣無照駕駛有沒有考慮過除了罰錢之外是不是也應該來研議這個沒入車輛的條件市長或是我們局長都可以回應\n102958\t129467\t也是這個部分報告這個委員針對無照駕駛的這個部分的話那交通部大概也有擬居一個這個加重處罰的版本那現在也就是行政院已經通過了那後面院會通過之後就會送來這個立法院做審議那目前這個版本加重的部分大概就是幾個重點第一個部分現行保管最高額這一個兩萬四比照危險駕駛提高到這三萬六那另外一個部分當場一致保管車輛然後呢並扣繳這一個\n133048\t155939\t這一個牌照那針對這個車輛的部分的話大家對於這個就是說無照當然無照駕駛如果發生這個形式相關的一個傷亡等等部分的話那就是一個證據那個依照情報就可以去做處理那針對一般的那個部分的話大概就是說調控這個車輛這個牌照那現行加重處分的一個規定的話針對出犯的部分原來有一個月\n156779\t178352\t這個提高到吊扣牌照這一個三個月五年內兩次的話由三個月提高到這個半年那五年內三次以上的話就是由六個月提高到欸這個一年那其他未成年人的部分先行就有病處罰這個家長這些相關的一個規定以上大概這個跟局長跟市長說\n180011\t200402\t就像我還是要講一下之前我們在處理假車牌的時候也常常使用這個吊扣牌照等等的手段但實際上就是因為吊扣牌照他就另外處理就好了嘛他還是可以上路啊他這個人這個人他還是有工具可以去做這樣的事情同樣的無招駕駛也是一樣問題嘛你把他牌照吊扣了是針對這台車但他這個人好他第一個他可能沒有錢繳罰款\n201503\t217949\t那再來他同樣的可以去開別的車不管是跟朋友借的還是有些不孝車行租給他的等等的所以他還是存在這個問題嘛所以我才問說在什麼樣條件下如果你們因為你剛剛提到的版本包含說你可能現在送行政院版本也都是在針對這個吊銬牌照在做處分可是如果\n218949\t247218\t這個車子它本身還是存在的它並沒有嚴重的就對借它車輛的人也好或是它駕駛的這個車輛不管它自己持有或是它是別人的它在它的財產上它並沒有任何損失我們通過罰緩或通過其他方式是希望它有警惕的作用所以它可以去做它不要再無招下了不要再上路了但在實際上你並沒有真正把它的作案的工具做這件事情的工具去處理當然我是覺得說這部分我不知道你們有沒有想過說真的\n248297\t258834\t之前的案例我們超過那個假車牌的問題就是後來用末路車輛來處分那我不知道為什麼你們這個無招駕駛這部分不能去照這方向來走問題會卡在哪裡\n260672\t282249\t跟委員報告 其實要沒入車輛這件事情在這個不管是在法案討論的時候我相信各委員之間大概都是算是一個很高度要討論的一個事項因為你畢竟不是把車輛沒入 而且車輛沒入是可責性委員剛才特別提到 這是駕駛人的違規 無照駕駛那這是處罰人 這是讓沒入車\n284611\t304440\t那之間如何連結然後如何讓他變成可責性這個所以我才會講到說在所有的處罰條例對於沒入車輛都是經過非常這個嚴謹然後大家共同的討論所以目前交通部所提出來在行政院的版本是沒有這個有關沒入車輛的部分\n305000\t325578\t那所以當然我也有這樣的一個建議 我們蠻尊重的如果有機會的時候 我想可以在立法院的時候你們再思考一下啦 目錄車輛的部分 因為像這個無照價值剛剛提到了在最近幾年每年造成死亡 就是光是無照價值的死亡人數按照大家的統計大概就七八百位 一年喔\n327065\t346260\t所以你說調通牌照出去罰款其實看起來效果不差如果他還是能夠出去做這樣的事情那我想這個部分死亡人數可能還是不會有明顯的下降這是我還是要提出來的建議那最後這段時間這個無照駕駛當然有一部分是青少年的部分那當然我現在考照的這年齡是18歲\n347541\t368559\t那有沒有考慮過依照其他先進國家與其放任這些完全沒有駕駛概念的人上路那我們是不是有沒有考慮過把這個乾脆駕照年齡下修他可以駕駛某一種車輛或某種排氣量的等級的車子至少他在上路前他知道他有一個基本的交通法規或交通倫理嘛不知道交通部有沒有考慮過這個方向\n371633\t382368\t這個部分我也跟委員報告一下大概就是說以往大家都在討論說先行考照18歲可否下降到16歲這個部分那其實這個部分的話部裡面從這個105年109年然後到111年\n386593\t407178\t大概都有跨部位甚至包括找家長團體大家來共同討論那討論的一個結論是大家還是認為說還是要維持現行的部分那另外一點就是跟委員也報告因為現在的這個運居的分類包括現在有這個微型電動二輪車那14歲以上大概就可以其實這個是不需要駕駛執照的部分\n407658\t429446\t那但是這個部分我們公共監獄機關也在做這些相關駕駛安全教育的部分所以大家在講說有些學生等等的部分的話這個基本上大概也有這樣子的運氣可以做選擇那至於駕照連連那個部分的話可能必須要社會再做一個討論好沒關係你們目前比較保守啦但我還是建議說這個東西實際面上這些人他還是會開上路\n430578\t447487\t我們實務上看到就是這個問題當然它是違法的只是說既然他還是會上路有這個問題高中很多人就無招駕駛跑在馬路上面的那為了解決這個問題或是說可以去思考到底怎麼樣的年齡去適合他有這個能力去做這樣的事情我是希望教授們在這個變相上面都稍微積極一點好不好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們先請這個交通部政事陳政事\n我們先討論一下 我想最近這個新聞上也看到說我們的關於無照駕駛的造勢案件 其實他的實際上件數跟死亡數已經超越了9家案件了 你看一下這個數字無照駕駛在2023年 這個死亡人數是763人 酒醉駕駛造導致的死亡造勢人數253人所以換句話說 國人或整個社會我們\n當然長期很關注所謂酒駕的造成的這個事故但從數字上看起來無照駕駛導致的案件跟生命財產的損失遠遠高於這個酒醉駕駛那當然我們知道說在2023年4月的時候已經有修法加重在這個罰環的部分修法前是一萬二那修法後有加了兩萬四所以確實整個罰環有提高但這個修法的結果如果從這個數據上看起來\n修法之後他基本上他的死亡跟肇事人數並沒有明顯的下降沒有明顯的改善那原因當然在於說很多無照駕駛人他雙手一攤子我沒錢或是他未成年或等等的他就不繳了就算了所以他的事故持續在發生所以我要問交通部的意見是說\n就像我們自己在處理假車牌問題一樣本期在立法院的時候也曾經建議過當然現在也往這個方向修法這個上個週有三度通過了嘛在這個假車牌的部分最後我們有一個共識式可以這個沒入車輛那像這樣無照駕駛有沒有考慮過除了罰錢之外是不是也應該來研議這個沒入車輛的條件市長或是我們局長都可以回應\n也是這個部分報告這個委員針對無照駕駛的這個部分的話那交通部大概也有擬居一個這個加重處罰的版本那現在也就是行政院已經通過了那後面院會通過之後就會送來這個立法院做審議那目前這個版本加重的部分大概就是幾個重點第一個部分現行保管最高額這一個兩萬四比照危險駕駛提高到這三萬六那另外一個部分當場一致保管車輛然後呢並扣繳這一個\n這一個牌照那針對這個車輛的部分的話大家對於這個就是說無照當然無照駕駛如果發生這個形式相關的一個傷亡等等部分的話那就是一個證據那個依照情報就可以去做處理那針對一般的那個部分的話大概就是說調控這個車輛這個牌照那現行加重處分的一個規定的話針對出犯的部分原來有一個月\n這個提高到吊扣牌照這一個三個月五年內兩次的話由三個月提高到這個半年那五年內三次以上的話就是由六個月提高到欸這個一年那其他未成年人的部分先行就有病處罰這個家長這些相關的一個規定以上大概這個跟局長跟市長說\n就像我還是要講一下之前我們在處理假車牌的時候也常常使用這個吊扣牌照等等的手段但實際上就是因為吊扣牌照他就另外處理就好了嘛他還是可以上路啊他這個人這個人他還是有工具可以去做這樣的事情同樣的無招駕駛也是一樣問題嘛你把他牌照吊扣了是針對這台車但他這個人好他第一個他可能沒有錢繳罰款\n那再來他同樣的可以去開別的車不管是跟朋友借的還是有些不孝車行租給他的等等的所以他還是存在這個問題嘛所以我才問說在什麼樣條件下如果你們因為你剛剛提到的版本包含說你可能現在送行政院版本也都是在針對這個吊銬牌照在做處分可是如果\n這個車子它本身還是存在的它並沒有嚴重的就對借它車輛的人也好或是它駕駛的這個車輛不管它自己持有或是它是別人的它在它的財產上它並沒有任何損失我們通過罰緩或通過其他方式是希望它有警惕的作用所以它可以去做它不要再無招下了不要再上路了但在實際上你並沒有真正把它的作案的工具做這件事情的工具去處理當然我是覺得說這部分我不知道你們有沒有想過說真的\n之前的案例我們超過那個假車牌的問題就是後來用末路車輛來處分那我不知道為什麼你們這個無招駕駛這部分不能去照這方向來走問題會卡在哪裡\n跟委員報告 其實要沒入車輛這件事情在這個不管是在法案討論的時候我相信各委員之間大概都是算是一個很高度要討論的一個事項因為你畢竟不是把車輛沒入 而且車輛沒入是可責性委員剛才特別提到 這是駕駛人的違規 無照駕駛那這是處罰人 這是讓沒入車\n那之間如何連結然後如何讓他變成可責性這個所以我才會講到說在所有的處罰條例對於沒入車輛都是經過非常這個嚴謹然後大家共同的討論所以目前交通部所提出來在行政院的版本是沒有這個有關沒入車輛的部分\n那所以當然我也有這樣的一個建議 我們蠻尊重的如果有機會的時候 我想可以在立法院的時候你們再思考一下啦 目錄車輛的部分 因為像這個無照價值剛剛提到了在最近幾年每年造成死亡 就是光是無照價值的死亡人數按照大家的統計大概就七八百位 一年喔\n所以你說調通牌照出去罰款其實看起來效果不差如果他還是能夠出去做這樣的事情那我想這個部分死亡人數可能還是不會有明顯的下降這是我還是要提出來的建議那最後這段時間這個無照駕駛當然有一部分是青少年的部分那當然我現在考照的這年齡是18歲\n那有沒有考慮過依照其他先進國家與其放任這些完全沒有駕駛概念的人上路那我們是不是有沒有考慮過把這個乾脆駕照年齡下修他可以駕駛某一種車輛或某種排氣量的等級的車子至少他在上路前他知道他有一個基本的交通法規或交通倫理嘛不知道交通部有沒有考慮過這個方向\n這個部分我也跟委員報告一下大概就是說以往大家都在討論說先行考照18歲可否下降到16歲這個部分那其實這個部分的話部裡面從這個105年109年然後到111年\n大概都有跨部位甚至包括找家長團體大家來共同討論那討論的一個結論是大家還是認為說還是要維持現行的部分那另外一點就是跟委員也報告因為現在的這個運居的分類包括現在有這個微型電動二輪車那14歲以上大概就可以其實這個是不需要駕駛執照的部分\n那但是這個部分我們公共監獄機關也在做這些相關駕駛安全教育的部分所以大家在講說有些學生等等的部分的話這個基本上大概也有這樣子的運氣可以做選擇那至於駕照連連那個部分的話可能必須要社會再做一個討論好沒關係你們目前比較保守啦但我還是建議說這個東西實際面上這些人他還是會開上路\n我們實務上看到就是這個問題當然它是違法的只是說既然他還是會上路有這個問題高中很多人就無招駕駛跑在馬路上面的那為了解決這個問題或是說可以去思考到底怎麼樣的年齡去適合他有這個能力去做這樣的事情我是希望教授們在這個變相上面都稍微積極一點好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.485 --> 00:05.573\n好謝謝主席我們先請這個交通部政事陳政事\n\n00:12.274 --> 00:26.498\n我們先討論一下我想最近這個新聞上也看到說我們的關於無照駕駛的造勢案件其實他的實際上件數跟死亡數已經超越了9家案件了你看一下這個數字無照駕駛在2023年這個死亡人數是763人酒醉駕駛造導致的死亡造勢人數253人所以換句話說國人或整個社會我們\n\n00:33.980 --> 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