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00:01:07,096\n排氣管你覺得是不是原廠的或者檢查相關的一些問題那後面的情況在爭議的過程中我們的監理站的人員就說你去摸嘛這個就很燙你要去摸如果你可以放在上面20秒\n\n4\n00:01:09,418 --> 00:01:26,091\n20秒的話就算通過那我先問公務總局的這個陳彥博前局長好不好因為我感覺這個蠻有歷史是不是你那個時代傳承下來的這個經驗法則啊以前是有這樣規定嗎自己敢摸自己的排氣管那個發動之後20秒然後就算過關\n\n5\n00:01:31,776 --> 00:01:44,791\n現在陳局長你說一下各位報告其實我們同仁就是排氣管不是這樣檢驗我們已經對於同仁就是說做了更嚴格的一些教育訓練還有就是說\n\n6\n00:01:46,793 --> 00:02:14,486\n它的執行的方式我想我們也這個通令所有的各監理機關來做相關的一些檢討那基本上因為排氣管它就是防止就是說它被就是說這個太燙所以被燙到所以大概相關的形式跟這一個譬如說它的一個原廠的一些規格的話其實能夠改變的形式環境部也有相關的規範所以其實看那個大概就是說有一些這個環境部規定的一些形式的話其實就可以\n\n7\n00:02:16,267 --> 00:02:42,344\n這我懂嘛但是你們人員是依法執法依法行政就很清楚有問題沒有過不需要吵架你知道嗎你用吵架我覺得這很奇怪弄完之後咧當影片出來對機關形象如何對他這個處理方法真的是很奇怪那你說這個假設有隔熱板是放在後面你要摸後面還摸前面在討論這個我覺得都不應該啊那到底有沒有測溫槍這件事啊\n\n8\n00:02:44,085 --> 00:02:46,408\n你們有配備這個測溫槍嗎沒有就簡單來講這個排氣管合不合格形式合不合格需不需要透過測溫槍來測因為它基本上形式合格的部分的話其實就是它的這個溫度的話其實是可以就是說是沒有問題的\n\n9\n00:03:04,106 --> 00:03:27,615\n所以其實不用去摸或者是不用去測這個溫度好那這個部分說都做好教育了是是是OK那可是有一個問題就是我們照做一番網路就發覺同樣一位我們認真的監理站的夥伴在前一個月2月24號就今年的2月24號也跟人家\n\n10\n00:03:28,715 --> 00:03:52,231\n跟一堆人在那邊吵啊吵什麼吵那個車牌啊右邊看到沒有車牌你看得很清楚吧VLG然後吵什麼車牌V中間好像有一點有一些白色是不是好像塗上去的好像為了讓大家看清楚V是不是有一些問題然後\n\n11\n00:03:54,272 --> 00:04:13,938\n也在那邊吵我就覺得很奇怪因為相關的法令那個規定啊這個我就覺得有點奇怪你到底現在的一個情況是不是能夠達到不能夠辨識他的牌照人家的起心動念是說糟糕了不管刮到什麼我的V怕別人認不出來是讓\n\n12\n00:04:15,498 --> 00:04:30,465\n合法的牌照讓人家辨識更清楚假設我是黑色的是有點斷被磨掉了我用黑色的鉛筆讓這個V呈現得更好這個有什麼好吵的啊那個局長你知不知道這件事\n\n13\n00:04:32,242 --> 00:04:59,829\n還是現在才聽說就是就是牌照的部分基本上就是說當然要辨識啦那所以就是說他如果說這個沒辦法辨識的話大概同仁都會覺得說那可能是不是就是可以就是來做一個換一下這個牌照這樣子那所以好啦現在就是辨識的很清楚他要看中間這個字好像有一點白色是不是有奇異比的內容我不知道你們SOP什麼我真的不知道\n\n14\n00:05:00,589 --> 00:05:20,977\n我真的如果說每一個做事情你對的也不要吵架嘛可是你也不要去刻意去找人家的麻煩沒有影響到執法沒有影響到監理的公平的一個性質我覺得你要這個SOP啊但我真的建議你同樣一個人發生多次這麼認真的一個情況\n\n15\n00:05:22,458 --> 00:05:37,173\n你去思考一下是不適合他以這麼精細的態度是不是適合比較內情是不是不要接觸人不然到最後徒增很多的一些問題那我想要跟你說\n\n16\n00:05:38,755 --> 00:05:46,480\n摸排氣管這件事情我那天在打電話給你今年度的時候我感覺你好像沒聽過這件事情結果我一去查我真的嚇一跳這個兩年多快三年了111年12月7號這也是媒體披露的就說那不是這個人了是在士林間裡站\n\n17\n00:05:58,047 --> 00:06:17,861\n也是叫人家摸啊那時候環境部的新法規還沒出來喔舊法規的時候你們一樣叫人家摸叫他證明不燙所以兩年多之前你們的檢討報告也出來了說讓民眾手觸摸排氣管測量溫度確有不妥我要加強專業訓練避免再次情況情況再次發生就是再發生了\n\n18\n00:06:25,902 --> 00:06:31,908\n好好檢討一下啦好不好這個東西到底是什麼原因那再來通用計程車的一個問題那這個新聞的部分\n\n19\n00:06:35,930 --> 00:06:36,470\n打了七家好\n\n20\n00:06:57,669 --> 00:07:19,808\n現在這個情況你們也很清楚啦一直在想辦法像4月有新的一些補助辦法規定我們也看到了嘛那說真的這已經十幾年了十幾年了那發生什麼樣一個情況呢這很多現在的現況急需解決啊你現在看看第二個第一行是我們這個全國各六都以六都為例\n\n21\n00:07:20,769 --> 00:07:35,754\n身心障礙者人數的一個比例第二個比例是通用計程車在這幾個六都中間佔有的比例台北市看起來幾乎是四成但四成也不多你知道嗎因為全國總共在113年年底的統計才1324輛佔所有計程車的大概是1.5%\n\n22\n00:07:46,738 --> 00:08:06,903\n所以你在看這個人數的一個比例服務的一個比例一台通用所謂無障礙計程車到底服務幾位身心障礙當然所有身心障礙的類別非常多啦不一定是輪椅那一類但是我們還是用這個通盤去做一個政策的參考的比較你看喔台北市每台車服務230人\n\n23\n00:08:09,383 --> 00:08:33,421\n到了桃園每台車服務1281人到了最後台南一台車要服務2590人這個第一個車數明顯不夠總量不夠第二個呢分配的部分也不夠平均所以怎麼樣在政策去引導這個次長你回答一下那為什麼在這樣這麼缺車的情況\n\n24\n00:08:35,463 --> 00:08:43,099\n隨便找三個城市啦不想弄表搞得花花的確實應該每一年都趕快來申請新北市\n\n25\n00:08:44,366 --> 00:09:12,952\n前三年111213零沒有人申請沒有人要你們的錢一台車補助31萬新購車沒有人要台北市還好台北市做的最好了111213沒有112年他有提這個但是補助多少我不知道桃園我也問了是000就是說這個政策這個引導性重要性從中央政府到地方政府到底發生什麼事你能不能總結一下\n\n26\n00:09:13,692 --> 00:09:34,880\n明明就很缺分配又不均可是大家又不想申請但你先看右邊這個零喔不要解釋這三都啦111年現在已經跟你申請結帳的右邊的表111年你們公務局補助出去的結帳的全國是零這最嚴重所以不要看其他縣市其他縣市沒有人跟你申請\n\n27\n00:09:36,594 --> 00:10:01,313\n這麼急迫為什麼搞成這樣市長你說一下我跟委員報告一下剛才委員講一輛車尤其是我們的通用計程車服務整體上來看可能還要再加入地方政府的復康巴士所以我想整體復康巴士來營運的狀況會不一樣至於說通用計程車的申請這部是由各縣市政府來提出申請我們也有相關的博助\n\n28\n00:10:01,673 --> 00:10:28,680\n那我們也發現通用計程車以往的時候來申請以後他不是用在這個載運這種需要輪椅來服務的這個乘客所以我們今年應該是四月我們就已經改變了相關的一個方式當然補助我們還是繼續補助應該是一台車應該是40萬的一個補助那另外呢他空車在等待也有給相關的經費然後他行駛空車行駛到這個載運這個無障礙也有\n\n29\n00:10:30,580 --> 00:10:55,526\n那最重要的我們希望這些生前的通用計程車的駕駛朋友他要在一個運營所的一個平台上愛接送的平台上去顯示出來類似像以後可以加速這種通用計程車的使用通用計程車要不要在輪椅的客戶所有通用計程車要能夠掛牌合法作為通用計程車要不要做這樣的輔具設施\n\n30\n00:10:58,010 --> 00:11:12,849\n要嘛就好了嘛你現在講說要載誰對一般人他也可以做一般的生意只要椅子夠我懂啦可是你這個成本是固定的嘛那我現在就請教你知道嗎大家都痛苦啊剛剛早上通完一個電話他坐了七年不坐了換車了絕對絕對不回去\n\n31\n00:11:16,073 --> 00:11:32,093\n我剛剛講怎麼這麼堅決發生什麼事你們到底是不知道政策的領導當然我覺得有一半去做改了當然第一個購車的成本購車的成本他在目前全台灣除了原裝的車輛可能加原裝的大概主要有四到五款的車適合做\n\n32\n00:11:33,795 --> 00:12:00,023\n那有稍微貴稍微便宜的大概都一百八到兩百現況就是整個輔具做好大概就要這麼貴那你們補助款呢過去是三十一萬嗎三十幾萬是不是三十一萬然後現在四月開始三月六號公告現在變成四十萬請問一下我購車我現在要貸款要去借錢購車最痛苦購車最痛苦那你們呢\n\n33\n00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:18,332\n講過去的31萬是不是應該要一次或者進駐要到位讓人家第一次花了180萬到200萬你補助他30萬只是貼他一點六分之一趕快補助他一些回補一些經濟這也是你們當時的用意嘛對不對\n\n34\n00:12:19,073 --> 00:12:35,039\n是那有分年嗎或五年才給他滿意嗎一次一次到位一次到位一次到位啊是一次到位你知道現在的車隊我跟委員報告因為各種這個通用計程車他本來的樣式就不一樣所以我們當時在訂試駛的時候是有針對整個試車\n\n35\n00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:50,295\n升降的這個輔助的設備那也跟委員說明一下有關通用計程車通用型的計程車目前我們也正在跟經濟部共同來研議在未來我們希望所有的計程車都是通用計程車如果是你講說的這麼OK的話不會每一年到現在只有這個\n\n36\n00:13:00,044 --> 00:13:16,036\n1.5%1300多台大家騎車都要來那你車輛的補助款你是一次給他那你覺得你有問過那個市長你有問過真正通用計程車的司機嗎駕駛嗎車是自己買的他是一次拿到還是分好幾年拿到你有沒有問跟這位委員報告一下目前這個通用計程車的部分大概是透過車隊的這個部分來好啦你答案出來了嘛\n\n37\n00:13:26,854 --> 00:13:44,049\n你的意思就是說本來是我們的概念政策是說錢給買車那個人結果中間說車隊不好意思不能自己來要透過我車隊申請然後車隊去你補給地方政府他給他申請31萬拿過來然後呢然後呢到車隊了\n\n38\n00:13:49,005 --> 00:14:15,812\n到車隊然後怎麼樣如果他向台北市申請100輛車你把這麼多的錢放在車隊產生了幾十萬上百萬的利息你是圖利是不是我告訴你現在反映的車隊我不講哪個車隊就是五年你的31萬就是五年他不玩了嘛五年耶你一次要給他五年五年還分十次然後半年三萬一三萬一\n\n39\n00:14:17,418 --> 00:14:32,884\n不是你們的政策我是覺得如果要擔心說我補助你萬一不做但是第一次購車款你至少要給人家一半嘛你要給人家一半嘛後面再監督他到底做得怎麼樣好啦我建議這個市長市長拜託一下通運計程車隨機找一些朋友來不然這些你現在1324台我做個結論有多少是5年以上他已經沒有在幹了他根本不按了\n\n40\n00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:55,471\n五年了吧講是一般的車行員三年五年我不幹了你們這樣子我要多少服務態度要扶上去扶下來然後車制一樣他不幹了所以我覺得第一次的車款即使不能給他也要給三分之二三分之一呢看你到底有沒有去服務我們真的不能這樣的\n\n41\n00:15:09,915 --> 00:15:23,492\n不能這樣你31萬要一次給他他第一次只拿到3萬1這是事實早上的一個車隊的情況如果你們還不知道跟你們政策的一個效度差異很大請你們去研究謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4831\t23118\t好感謝主席有請我們陳次長我想數位部已經回家了對陳次長還有我們公路局好公路局陳局長委員好好\n25652\t49524\t這個首先啊因為你們兩位問你們兩位都公道了這個前面的公務總局的前局長現在公務局局長那這個問題事實上發生的時候網路在傳的時候我也打電話給我們現任的這個陳局長特別在談這個問題啊那那個情況你都知道嘛今年3月19號那個整個影片在傳嘛那當然他的這個\n51545\t67096\t排氣管你覺得是不是原廠的或者檢查相關的一些問題那後面的情況在爭議的過程中我們的監理站的人員就說你去摸嘛這個就很燙你要去摸如果你可以放在上面20秒\n69418\t86091\t20秒的話就算通過那我先問公務總局的這個陳彥博前局長好不好因為我感覺這個蠻有歷史是不是你那個時代傳承下來的這個經驗法則啊以前是有這樣規定嗎自己敢摸自己的排氣管那個發動之後20秒然後就算過關\n91776\t104791\t現在陳局長你說一下各位報告其實我們同仁就是排氣管不是這樣檢驗我們已經對於同仁就是說做了更嚴格的一些教育訓練還有就是說\n106793\t134486\t它的執行的方式我想我們也這個通令所有的各監理機關來做相關的一些檢討那基本上因為排氣管它就是防止就是說它被就是說這個太燙所以被燙到所以大概相關的形式跟這一個譬如說它的一個原廠的一些規格的話其實能夠改變的形式環境部也有相關的規範所以其實看那個大概就是說有一些這個環境部規定的一些形式的話其實就可以\n136267\t162344\t這我懂嘛 但是你們人員是依法 執法 依法 行政就很清楚 有問題沒有過不需要吵架 你知道嗎你用吵架 我覺得這很奇怪弄完之後咧 當影片出來對機關形象如何對他這個處理方法真的是很奇怪那你說這個假設有隔熱板是放在後面你要摸後面還摸前面在討論這個我覺得都不應該啊那到底有沒有測溫槍這件事啊\n164085\t166408\t你們有配備這個測溫槍嗎沒有就簡單來講這個排氣管合不合格形式合不合格需不需要透過測溫槍來測因為它基本上形式合格的部分的話其實就是它的這個溫度的話其實是可以就是說是沒有問題的\n184106\t207615\t所以其實不用去摸或者是不用去測這個溫度好 那這個部分說都做好教育了是是是OK那可是有一個問題就是我們照做一番網路就發覺同樣一位我們認真的監理站的夥伴在前一個月2月24號就今年的2月24號也跟人家\n208715\t232231\t跟一堆人在那邊吵啊 吵什麼 吵那個車牌啊右邊看到沒有 車牌 你看得很清楚吧 VLG然後 吵什麼車牌 V中間好像有一點有一些白色 是不是好像塗上去的好像為了讓大家看清楚 V 是不是有一些問題 然後\n234272\t253938\t也在那邊吵我就覺得很奇怪因為相關的法令那個規定啊這個我就覺得有點奇怪你到底現在的一個情況是不是能夠達到不能夠辨識他的牌照人家的起心動念是說糟糕了不管刮到什麼我的V怕別人認不出來是讓\n255498\t270465\t合法的牌照讓人家辨識更清楚假設我是黑色的是有點斷 被磨掉了我用黑色的鉛筆讓這個V呈現得更好這個有什麼好吵的啊那個局長你知不知道這件事\n272242\t299829\t還是現在才聽說就是就是牌照的部分基本上就是說當然要辨識啦那所以就是說他如果說這個沒辦法辨識的話大概同仁都會覺得說那可能是不是就是可以就是來做一個換一下這個牌照這樣子那所以好啦現在就是辨識的很清楚他要看中間這個字好像有一點白色是不是有奇異比的內容我不知道你們SOP什麼我真的不知道\n300589\t320977\t我真的 如果說每一個做事情你對的也不要吵架嘛可是你也不要去刻意去找人家的麻煩沒有影響到執法沒有影響到監理的公平的一個性質我覺得你要這個SOP啊但我真的建議你同樣一個人發生多次這麼認真的一個情況\n322458\t337173\t你去思考一下 是不適合他以這麼精細的態度是不是適合比較內情是不是不要接觸人不然到最後徒增很多的一些問題那我想要跟你說\n338755\t346480\t摸排氣管這件事情我那天在打電話給你今年度的時候我感覺你好像沒聽過這件事情結果我一去查我真的嚇一跳這個兩年多快三年了111年12月7號這也是媒體披露的就說那不是這個人了是在士林間裡站\n358047\t377861\t也是叫人家摸啊那時候環境部的新法規還沒出來喔舊法規的時候你們一樣叫人家摸叫他證明不燙所以兩年多之前你們的檢討報告也出來了說讓民眾手觸摸排氣管測量溫度確有不妥我要加強專業訓練避免再次情況情況再次發生就是再發生了\n385902\t391908\t好好檢討一下啦好不好這個東西到底是什麼原因那再來通用計程車的一個問題那這個新聞的部分\n395930\t396470\t打了七家好\n417669\t439808\t現在這個情況 你們也很清楚啦一直在想辦法 像4月有新的一些補助辦法規定我們也看到了嘛那說真的 這已經十幾年了十幾年了 那發生什麼樣一個情況呢這很多現在的現況急需解決啊你現在看看第二個 第一行是我們這個全國各六都 以六都為例\n440769\t455754\t身心障礙者人數的一個比例第二個比例是通用計程車在這幾個六都中間佔有的比例台北市看起來幾乎是四成但四成也不多你知道嗎因為全國總共在113年年底的統計才1324輛佔所有計程車的大概是1.5%\n466738\t486903\t所以你在看這個人數的一個比例服務的一個比例一台通用所謂無障礙計程車到底服務幾位身心障礙當然所有身心障礙的類別非常多啦不一定是輪椅那一類但是我們還是用這個通盤去做一個政策的參考的比較你看喔台北市每台車服務230人\n489383\t513421\t到了桃園每台車服務1281人到了最後台南一台車要服務2590人這個第一個車數明顯不夠總量不夠第二個呢分配的部分也不夠平均所以怎麼樣在政策去引導這個次長你回答一下那為什麼在這樣這麼缺車的情況\n515463\t523099\t隨便找三個城市啦不想弄表搞得花花的確實應該每一年都趕快來申請新北市\n524366\t552952\t前三年111213零沒有人申請沒有人要你們的錢一台車補助31萬新購車沒有人要台北市還好台北市做的最好了111213沒有112年他有提這個但是補助多少我不知道桃園我也問了是000就是說這個政策這個引導性重要性從中央政府到地方政府到底發生什麼事你能不能總結一下\n553692\t574880\t明明就很缺分配又不均可是大家又不想申請但你先看右邊這個零喔不要解釋這三都啦111年現在已經跟你申請結帳的右邊的表111年你們公務局補助出去的結帳的全國是零這最嚴重所以不要看其他縣市其他縣市沒有人跟你申請\n576594\t601313\t這麼急迫為什麼搞成這樣市長你說一下我跟委員報告一下剛才委員講一輛車尤其是我們的通用計程車服務整體上來看可能還要再加入地方政府的復康巴士所以我想整體復康巴士來營運的狀況會不一樣至於說通用計程車的申請這部是由各縣市政府來提出申請我們也有相關的博助\n601673\t628680\t那我們也發現通用計程車以往的時候來申請以後他不是用在這個載運這種需要輪椅來服務的這個乘客所以我們今年應該是四月我們就已經改變了相關的一個方式當然補助我們還是繼續補助應該是一台車應該是40萬的一個補助那另外呢他空車在等待也有給相關的經費然後他行駛空車行駛到這個載運這個無障礙也有\n630580\t655526\t那最重要的我們希望這些生前的通用計程車的駕駛朋友他要在一個運營所的一個平台上愛接送的平台上去顯示出來類似像以後可以加速這種通用計程車的使用通用計程車要不要在輪椅的客戶所有通用計程車要能夠掛牌合法作為通用計程車要不要做這樣的輔具設施\n658010\t672849\t要嘛就好了嘛你現在講說要載誰對一般人他也可以做一般的生意只要椅子夠我懂啦可是你這個成本是固定的嘛那我現在就請教你知道嗎大家都痛苦啊剛剛早上通完一個電話他坐了七年不坐了換車了絕對絕對不回去\n676073\t692093\t我剛剛講怎麼這麼堅決發生什麼事你們到底是不知道政策的領導當然我覺得有一半去做改了當然第一個購車的成本購車的成本他在目前全台灣除了原裝的車輛可能加原裝的大概主要有四到五款的車適合做\n693795\t720023\t那有稍微貴 稍微便宜的大概都一百八到兩百現況就是整個輔具做好大概就要這麼貴那你們補助款呢過去是三十一萬嗎三十幾萬是不是三十一萬然後現在四月開始三月六號公告現在變成四十萬請問一下我購車我現在要貸款要去借錢購車最痛苦購車最痛苦那你們呢\n721550\t738332\t講過去的31萬是不是應該要一次或者進駐要到位讓人家第一次花了180萬到200萬你補助他30萬只是貼他一點六分之一 趕快補助他一些回補一些經濟這也是你們當時的用意嘛 對不對\n739073\t755039\t是那有分年嗎或五年才給他滿意嗎一次一次到位一次到位一次到位啊是一次到位你知道現在的車隊我跟委員報告因為各種這個通用計程車他本來的樣式就不一樣所以我們當時在訂試駛的時候是有針對整個試車\n757100\t770295\t升降的這個輔助的設備那也跟委員說明一下有關通用計程車通用型的計程車目前我們也正在跟經濟部共同來研議在未來我們希望所有的計程車都是通用計程車如果是你講說的這麼OK的話不會每一年到現在只有這個\n780044\t796036\t1.5% 1300多台大家騎車都要來那你車輛的補助款你是一次給他那你覺得你有問過那個市長你有問過真正通用計程車的司機嗎駕駛嗎 車是自己買的他是一次拿到還是分好幾年拿到 你有沒有問跟這位委員報告一下目前這個通用計程車的部分大概是透過車隊的這個部分來好啦 你答案出來了嘛\n806854\t824049\t你的意思就是說本來是我們的概念政策是說錢給買車那個人結果中間說車隊不好意思不能自己來要透過我車隊申請然後車隊去你補給地方政府他給他申請31萬拿過來然後呢然後呢到車隊了\n829005\t855812\t到車隊然後怎麼樣如果他向台北市申請100輛車你把這麼多的錢放在車隊產生了幾十萬上百萬的利息你是圖利是不是我告訴你現在反映的車隊我不講哪個車隊就是五年你的31萬就是五年他不玩了嘛五年耶你一次要給他五年五年還分十次然後半年三萬一 三萬一\n857418\t872884\t不是你們的政策我是覺得如果要擔心說我補助你萬一不做但是第一次購車款你至少要給人家一半嘛你要給人家一半嘛後面再監督他到底做得怎麼樣好啦我建議這個市長市長拜託一下通運計程車隨機找一些朋友來不然這些你現在1324台我做個結論有多少是5年以上他已經沒有在幹了他根本不按了\n887509\t895471\t五年了吧 講是一般的車行員三年五年我不幹了你們這樣子我要多少服務態度要扶上去 扶下來 然後車制一樣 他不幹了所以我覺得第一次的車款即使不能給他也要給三分之二 三分之一呢看你到底有沒有去服務我們 真的不能這樣的\n909915\t923492\t不能這樣 你31萬要一次給他他第一次只拿到3萬1這是事實 早上的一個車隊的情況如果你們還不知道 跟你們政策的一個效度差異很大 請你們去研究 謝謝\n","txt":"好感謝主席有請我們陳次長我想數位部已經回家了對陳次長還有我們公路局好公路局陳局長委員好好\n這個首先啊因為你們兩位問你們兩位都公道了這個前面的公務總局的前局長現在公務局局長那這個問題事實上發生的時候網路在傳的時候我也打電話給我們現任的這個陳局長特別在談這個問題啊那那個情況你都知道嘛今年3月19號那個整個影片在傳嘛那當然他的這個\n排氣管你覺得是不是原廠的或者檢查相關的一些問題那後面的情況在爭議的過程中我們的監理站的人員就說你去摸嘛這個就很燙你要去摸如果你可以放在上面20秒\n20秒的話就算通過那我先問公務總局的這個陳彥博前局長好不好因為我感覺這個蠻有歷史是不是你那個時代傳承下來的這個經驗法則啊以前是有這樣規定嗎自己敢摸自己的排氣管那個發動之後20秒然後就算過關\n現在陳局長你說一下各位報告其實我們同仁就是排氣管不是這樣檢驗我們已經對於同仁就是說做了更嚴格的一些教育訓練還有就是說\n它的執行的方式我想我們也這個通令所有的各監理機關來做相關的一些檢討那基本上因為排氣管它就是防止就是說它被就是說這個太燙所以被燙到所以大概相關的形式跟這一個譬如說它的一個原廠的一些規格的話其實能夠改變的形式環境部也有相關的規範所以其實看那個大概就是說有一些這個環境部規定的一些形式的話其實就可以\n這我懂嘛 但是你們人員是依法 執法 依法 行政就很清楚 有問題沒有過不需要吵架 你知道嗎你用吵架 我覺得這很奇怪弄完之後咧 當影片出來對機關形象如何對他這個處理方法真的是很奇怪那你說這個假設有隔熱板是放在後面你要摸後面還摸前面在討論這個我覺得都不應該啊那到底有沒有測溫槍這件事啊\n你們有配備這個測溫槍嗎沒有就簡單來講這個排氣管合不合格形式合不合格需不需要透過測溫槍來測因為它基本上形式合格的部分的話其實就是它的這個溫度的話其實是可以就是說是沒有問題的\n所以其實不用去摸或者是不用去測這個溫度好 那這個部分說都做好教育了是是是OK那可是有一個問題就是我們照做一番網路就發覺同樣一位我們認真的監理站的夥伴在前一個月2月24號就今年的2月24號也跟人家\n跟一堆人在那邊吵啊 吵什麼 吵那個車牌啊右邊看到沒有 車牌 你看得很清楚吧 VLG然後 吵什麼車牌 V中間好像有一點有一些白色 是不是好像塗上去的好像為了讓大家看清楚 V 是不是有一些問題 然後\n也在那邊吵我就覺得很奇怪因為相關的法令那個規定啊這個我就覺得有點奇怪你到底現在的一個情況是不是能夠達到不能夠辨識他的牌照人家的起心動念是說糟糕了不管刮到什麼我的V怕別人認不出來是讓\n合法的牌照讓人家辨識更清楚假設我是黑色的是有點斷 被磨掉了我用黑色的鉛筆讓這個V呈現得更好這個有什麼好吵的啊那個局長你知不知道這件事\n還是現在才聽說就是就是牌照的部分基本上就是說當然要辨識啦那所以就是說他如果說這個沒辦法辨識的話大概同仁都會覺得說那可能是不是就是可以就是來做一個換一下這個牌照這樣子那所以好啦現在就是辨識的很清楚他要看中間這個字好像有一點白色是不是有奇異比的內容我不知道你們SOP什麼我真的不知道\n我真的 如果說每一個做事情你對的也不要吵架嘛可是你也不要去刻意去找人家的麻煩沒有影響到執法沒有影響到監理的公平的一個性質我覺得你要這個SOP啊但我真的建議你同樣一個人發生多次這麼認真的一個情況\n你去思考一下 是不適合他以這麼精細的態度是不是適合比較內情是不是不要接觸人不然到最後徒增很多的一些問題那我想要跟你說\n摸排氣管這件事情我那天在打電話給你今年度的時候我感覺你好像沒聽過這件事情結果我一去查我真的嚇一跳這個兩年多快三年了111年12月7號這也是媒體披露的就說那不是這個人了是在士林間裡站\n也是叫人家摸啊那時候環境部的新法規還沒出來喔舊法規的時候你們一樣叫人家摸叫他證明不燙所以兩年多之前你們的檢討報告也出來了說讓民眾手觸摸排氣管測量溫度確有不妥我要加強專業訓練避免再次情況情況再次發生就是再發生了\n好好檢討一下啦好不好這個東西到底是什麼原因那再來通用計程車的一個問題那這個新聞的部分\n打了七家好\n現在這個情況 你們也很清楚啦一直在想辦法 像4月有新的一些補助辦法規定我們也看到了嘛那說真的 這已經十幾年了十幾年了 那發生什麼樣一個情況呢這很多現在的現況急需解決啊你現在看看第二個 第一行是我們這個全國各六都 以六都為例\n身心障礙者人數的一個比例第二個比例是通用計程車在這幾個六都中間佔有的比例台北市看起來幾乎是四成但四成也不多你知道嗎因為全國總共在113年年底的統計才1324輛佔所有計程車的大概是1.5%\n所以你在看這個人數的一個比例服務的一個比例一台通用所謂無障礙計程車到底服務幾位身心障礙當然所有身心障礙的類別非常多啦不一定是輪椅那一類但是我們還是用這個通盤去做一個政策的參考的比較你看喔台北市每台車服務230人\n到了桃園每台車服務1281人到了最後台南一台車要服務2590人這個第一個車數明顯不夠總量不夠第二個呢分配的部分也不夠平均所以怎麼樣在政策去引導這個次長你回答一下那為什麼在這樣這麼缺車的情況\n隨便找三個城市啦不想弄表搞得花花的確實應該每一年都趕快來申請新北市\n前三年111213零沒有人申請沒有人要你們的錢一台車補助31萬新購車沒有人要台北市還好台北市做的最好了111213沒有112年他有提這個但是補助多少我不知道桃園我也問了是000就是說這個政策這個引導性重要性從中央政府到地方政府到底發生什麼事你能不能總結一下\n明明就很缺分配又不均可是大家又不想申請但你先看右邊這個零喔不要解釋這三都啦111年現在已經跟你申請結帳的右邊的表111年你們公務局補助出去的結帳的全國是零這最嚴重所以不要看其他縣市其他縣市沒有人跟你申請\n這麼急迫為什麼搞成這樣市長你說一下我跟委員報告一下剛才委員講一輛車尤其是我們的通用計程車服務整體上來看可能還要再加入地方政府的復康巴士所以我想整體復康巴士來營運的狀況會不一樣至於說通用計程車的申請這部是由各縣市政府來提出申請我們也有相關的博助\n那我們也發現通用計程車以往的時候來申請以後他不是用在這個載運這種需要輪椅來服務的這個乘客所以我們今年應該是四月我們就已經改變了相關的一個方式當然補助我們還是繼續補助應該是一台車應該是40萬的一個補助那另外呢他空車在等待也有給相關的經費然後他行駛空車行駛到這個載運這個無障礙也有\n那最重要的我們希望這些生前的通用計程車的駕駛朋友他要在一個運營所的一個平台上愛接送的平台上去顯示出來類似像以後可以加速這種通用計程車的使用通用計程車要不要在輪椅的客戶所有通用計程車要能夠掛牌合法作為通用計程車要不要做這樣的輔具設施\n要嘛就好了嘛你現在講說要載誰對一般人他也可以做一般的生意只要椅子夠我懂啦可是你這個成本是固定的嘛那我現在就請教你知道嗎大家都痛苦啊剛剛早上通完一個電話他坐了七年不坐了換車了絕對絕對不回去\n我剛剛講怎麼這麼堅決發生什麼事你們到底是不知道政策的領導當然我覺得有一半去做改了當然第一個購車的成本購車的成本他在目前全台灣除了原裝的車輛可能加原裝的大概主要有四到五款的車適合做\n那有稍微貴 稍微便宜的大概都一百八到兩百現況就是整個輔具做好大概就要這麼貴那你們補助款呢過去是三十一萬嗎三十幾萬是不是三十一萬然後現在四月開始三月六號公告現在變成四十萬請問一下我購車我現在要貸款要去借錢購車最痛苦購車最痛苦那你們呢\n講過去的31萬是不是應該要一次或者進駐要到位讓人家第一次花了180萬到200萬你補助他30萬只是貼他一點六分之一 趕快補助他一些回補一些經濟這也是你們當時的用意嘛 對不對\n是那有分年嗎或五年才給他滿意嗎一次一次到位一次到位一次到位啊是一次到位你知道現在的車隊我跟委員報告因為各種這個通用計程車他本來的樣式就不一樣所以我們當時在訂試駛的時候是有針對整個試車\n升降的這個輔助的設備那也跟委員說明一下有關通用計程車通用型的計程車目前我們也正在跟經濟部共同來研議在未來我們希望所有的計程車都是通用計程車如果是你講說的這麼OK的話不會每一年到現在只有這個\n1.5% 1300多台大家騎車都要來那你車輛的補助款你是一次給他那你覺得你有問過那個市長你有問過真正通用計程車的司機嗎駕駛嗎 車是自己買的他是一次拿到還是分好幾年拿到 你有沒有問跟這位委員報告一下目前這個通用計程車的部分大概是透過車隊的這個部分來好啦 你答案出來了嘛\n你的意思就是說本來是我們的概念政策是說錢給買車那個人結果中間說車隊不好意思不能自己來要透過我車隊申請然後車隊去你補給地方政府他給他申請31萬拿過來然後呢然後呢到車隊了\n到車隊然後怎麼樣如果他向台北市申請100輛車你把這麼多的錢放在車隊產生了幾十萬上百萬的利息你是圖利是不是我告訴你現在反映的車隊我不講哪個車隊就是五年你的31萬就是五年他不玩了嘛五年耶你一次要給他五年五年還分十次然後半年三萬一 三萬一\n不是你們的政策我是覺得如果要擔心說我補助你萬一不做但是第一次購車款你至少要給人家一半嘛你要給人家一半嘛後面再監督他到底做得怎麼樣好啦我建議這個市長市長拜託一下通運計程車隨機找一些朋友來不然這些你現在1324台我做個結論有多少是5年以上他已經沒有在幹了他根本不按了\n五年了吧 講是一般的車行員三年五年我不幹了你們這樣子我要多少服務態度要扶上去 扶下來 然後車制一樣 他不幹了所以我覺得第一次的車款即使不能給他也要給三分之二 三分之一呢看你到底有沒有去服務我們 真的不能這樣的\n不能這樣 你31萬要一次給他他第一次只拿到3萬1這是事實 早上的一個車隊的情況如果你們還不知道 跟你們政策的一個效度差異很大 請你們去研究 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.831 --> 00:23.118\n好感謝主席有請我們陳次長我想數位部已經回家了對陳次長還有我們公路局好公路局陳局長委員好好\n\n00:25.652 --> 00:49.524\n這個首先啊因為你們兩位問你們兩位都公道了這個前面的公務總局的前局長現在公務局局長那這個問題事實上發生的時候網路在傳的時候我也打電話給我們現任的這個陳局長特別在談這個問題啊那那個情況你都知道嘛今年3月19號那個整個影片在傳嘛那當然他的這個\n\n00:51.545 --> 01:07.096\n排氣管你覺得是不是原廠的或者檢查相關的一些問題那後面的情況在爭議的過程中我們的監理站的人員就說你去摸嘛這個就很燙你要去摸如果你可以放在上面20秒\n\n01:09.418 --> 01:26.091\n20秒的話就算通過那我先問公務總局的這個陳彥博前局長好不好因為我感覺這個蠻有歷史是不是你那個時代傳承下來的這個經驗法則啊以前是有這樣規定嗎自己敢摸自己的排氣管那個發動之後20秒然後就算過關\n\n01:31.776 --> 01:44.791\n現在陳局長你說一下各位報告其實我們同仁就是排氣管不是這樣檢驗我們已經對於同仁就是說做了更嚴格的一些教育訓練還有就是說\n\n01:46.793 --> 02:14.486\n它的執行的方式我想我們也這個通令所有的各監理機關來做相關的一些檢討那基本上因為排氣管它就是防止就是說它被就是說這個太燙所以被燙到所以大概相關的形式跟這一個譬如說它的一個原廠的一些規格的話其實能夠改變的形式環境部也有相關的規範所以其實看那個大概就是說有一些這個環境部規定的一些形式的話其實就可以\n\n02:16.267 --> 02:42.344\n這我懂嘛但是你們人員是依法執法依法行政就很清楚有問題沒有過不需要吵架你知道嗎你用吵架我覺得這很奇怪弄完之後咧當影片出來對機關形象如何對他這個處理方法真的是很奇怪那你說這個假設有隔熱板是放在後面你要摸後面還摸前面在討論這個我覺得都不應該啊那到底有沒有測溫槍這件事啊\n\n02:44.085 --> 02:46.408\n你們有配備這個測溫槍嗎沒有就簡單來講這個排氣管合不合格形式合不合格需不需要透過測溫槍來測因為它基本上形式合格的部分的話其實就是它的這個溫度的話其實是可以就是說是沒有問題的\n\n03:04.106 --> 03:27.615\n所以其實不用去摸或者是不用去測這個溫度好那這個部分說都做好教育了是是是OK那可是有一個問題就是我們照做一番網路就發覺同樣一位我們認真的監理站的夥伴在前一個月2月24號就今年的2月24號也跟人家\n\n03:28.715 --> 03:52.231\n跟一堆人在那邊吵啊吵什麼吵那個車牌啊右邊看到沒有車牌你看得很清楚吧VLG然後吵什麼車牌V中間好像有一點有一些白色是不是好像塗上去的好像為了讓大家看清楚V是不是有一些問題然後\n\n03:54.272 --> 04:13.938\n也在那邊吵我就覺得很奇怪因為相關的法令那個規定啊這個我就覺得有點奇怪你到底現在的一個情況是不是能夠達到不能夠辨識他的牌照人家的起心動念是說糟糕了不管刮到什麼我的V怕別人認不出來是讓\n\n04:15.498 --> 04:30.465\n合法的牌照讓人家辨識更清楚假設我是黑色的是有點斷被磨掉了我用黑色的鉛筆讓這個V呈現得更好這個有什麼好吵的啊那個局長你知不知道這件事\n\n04:32.242 --> 04:59.829\n還是現在才聽說就是就是牌照的部分基本上就是說當然要辨識啦那所以就是說他如果說這個沒辦法辨識的話大概同仁都會覺得說那可能是不是就是可以就是來做一個換一下這個牌照這樣子那所以好啦現在就是辨識的很清楚他要看中間這個字好像有一點白色是不是有奇異比的內容我不知道你們SOP什麼我真的不知道\n\n05:00.589 --> 05:20.977\n我真的如果說每一個做事情你對的也不要吵架嘛可是你也不要去刻意去找人家的麻煩沒有影響到執法沒有影響到監理的公平的一個性質我覺得你要這個SOP啊但我真的建議你同樣一個人發生多次這麼認真的一個情況\n\n05:22.458 --> 05:37.173\n你去思考一下是不適合他以這麼精細的態度是不是適合比較內情是不是不要接觸人不然到最後徒增很多的一些問題那我想要跟你說\n\n05:38.755 --> 05:46.480\n摸排氣管這件事情我那天在打電話給你今年度的時候我感覺你好像沒聽過這件事情結果我一去查我真的嚇一跳這個兩年多快三年了111年12月7號這也是媒體披露的就說那不是這個人了是在士林間裡站\n\n05:58.047 --> 06:17.861\n也是叫人家摸啊那時候環境部的新法規還沒出來喔舊法規的時候你們一樣叫人家摸叫他證明不燙所以兩年多之前你們的檢討報告也出來了說讓民眾手觸摸排氣管測量溫度確有不妥我要加強專業訓練避免再次情況情況再次發生就是再發生了\n\n06:25.902 --> 06:31.908\n好好檢討一下啦好不好這個東西到底是什麼原因那再來通用計程車的一個問題那這個新聞的部分\n\n06:35.930 --> 06:36.470\n打了七家好\n\n06:57.669 --> 07:19.808\n現在這個情況你們也很清楚啦一直在想辦法像4月有新的一些補助辦法規定我們也看到了嘛那說真的這已經十幾年了十幾年了那發生什麼樣一個情況呢這很多現在的現況急需解決啊你現在看看第二個第一行是我們這個全國各六都以六都為例\n\n07:20.769 --> 07:35.754\n身心障礙者人數的一個比例第二個比例是通用計程車在這幾個六都中間佔有的比例台北市看起來幾乎是四成但四成也不多你知道嗎因為全國總共在113年年底的統計才1324輛佔所有計程車的大概是1.5%\n\n07:46.738 --> 08:06.903\n所以你在看這個人數的一個比例服務的一個比例一台通用所謂無障礙計程車到底服務幾位身心障礙當然所有身心障礙的類別非常多啦不一定是輪椅那一類但是我們還是用這個通盤去做一個政策的參考的比較你看喔台北市每台車服務230人\n\n08:09.383 --> 08:33.421\n到了桃園每台車服務1281人到了最後台南一台車要服務2590人這個第一個車數明顯不夠總量不夠第二個呢分配的部分也不夠平均所以怎麼樣在政策去引導這個次長你回答一下那為什麼在這樣這麼缺車的情況\n\n08:35.463 --> 08:43.099\n隨便找三個城市啦不想弄表搞得花花的確實應該每一年都趕快來申請新北市\n\n08:44.366 --> 09:12.952\n前三年111213零沒有人申請沒有人要你們的錢一台車補助31萬新購車沒有人要台北市還好台北市做的最好了111213沒有112年他有提這個但是補助多少我不知道桃園我也問了是000就是說這個政策這個引導性重要性從中央政府到地方政府到底發生什麼事你能不能總結一下\n\n09:13.692 --> 09:34.880\n明明就很缺分配又不均可是大家又不想申請但你先看右邊這個零喔不要解釋這三都啦111年現在已經跟你申請結帳的右邊的表111年你們公務局補助出去的結帳的全國是零這最嚴重所以不要看其他縣市其他縣市沒有人跟你申請\n\n09:36.594 --> 10:01.313\n這麼急迫為什麼搞成這樣市長你說一下我跟委員報告一下剛才委員講一輛車尤其是我們的通用計程車服務整體上來看可能還要再加入地方政府的復康巴士所以我想整體復康巴士來營運的狀況會不一樣至於說通用計程車的申請這部是由各縣市政府來提出申請我們也有相關的博助\n\n10:01.673 --> 10:28.680\n那我們也發現通用計程車以往的時候來申請以後他不是用在這個載運這種需要輪椅來服務的這個乘客所以我們今年應該是四月我們就已經改變了相關的一個方式當然補助我們還是繼續補助應該是一台車應該是40萬的一個補助那另外呢他空車在等待也有給相關的經費然後他行駛空車行駛到這個載運這個無障礙也有\n\n10:30.580 --> 10:55.526\n那最重要的我們希望這些生前的通用計程車的駕駛朋友他要在一個運營所的一個平台上愛接送的平台上去顯示出來類似像以後可以加速這種通用計程車的使用通用計程車要不要在輪椅的客戶所有通用計程車要能夠掛牌合法作為通用計程車要不要做這樣的輔具設施\n\n10:58.010 --> 11:12.849\n要嘛就好了嘛你現在講說要載誰對一般人他也可以做一般的生意只要椅子夠我懂啦可是你這個成本是固定的嘛那我現在就請教你知道嗎大家都痛苦啊剛剛早上通完一個電話他坐了七年不坐了換車了絕對絕對不回去\n\n11:16.073 --> 11:32.093\n我剛剛講怎麼這麼堅決發生什麼事你們到底是不知道政策的領導當然我覺得有一半去做改了當然第一個購車的成本購車的成本他在目前全台灣除了原裝的車輛可能加原裝的大概主要有四到五款的車適合做\n\n11:33.795 --> 12:00.023\n那有稍微貴稍微便宜的大概都一百八到兩百現況就是整個輔具做好大概就要這麼貴那你們補助款呢過去是三十一萬嗎三十幾萬是不是三十一萬然後現在四月開始三月六號公告現在變成四十萬請問一下我購車我現在要貸款要去借錢購車最痛苦購車最痛苦那你們呢\n\n12:01.550 --> 12:18.332\n講過去的31萬是不是應該要一次或者進駐要到位讓人家第一次花了180萬到200萬你補助他30萬只是貼他一點六分之一趕快補助他一些回補一些經濟這也是你們當時的用意嘛對不對\n\n12:19.073 --> 12:35.039\n是那有分年嗎或五年才給他滿意嗎一次一次到位一次到位一次到位啊是一次到位你知道現在的車隊我跟委員報告因為各種這個通用計程車他本來的樣式就不一樣所以我們當時在訂試駛的時候是有針對整個試車\n\n12:37.100 --> 12:50.295\n升降的這個輔助的設備那也跟委員說明一下有關通用計程車通用型的計程車目前我們也正在跟經濟部共同來研議在未來我們希望所有的計程車都是通用計程車如果是你講說的這麼OK的話不會每一年到現在只有這個\n\n13:00.044 --> 13:16.036\n1.5%1300多台大家騎車都要來那你車輛的補助款你是一次給他那你覺得你有問過那個市長你有問過真正通用計程車的司機嗎駕駛嗎車是自己買的他是一次拿到還是分好幾年拿到你有沒有問跟這位委員報告一下目前這個通用計程車的部分大概是透過車隊的這個部分來好啦你答案出來了嘛\n\n13:26.854 --> 13:44.049\n你的意思就是說本來是我們的概念政策是說錢給買車那個人結果中間說車隊不好意思不能自己來要透過我車隊申請然後車隊去你補給地方政府他給他申請31萬拿過來然後呢然後呢到車隊了\n\n13:49.005 --> 14:15.812\n到車隊然後怎麼樣如果他向台北市申請100輛車你把這麼多的錢放在車隊產生了幾十萬上百萬的利息你是圖利是不是我告訴你現在反映的車隊我不講哪個車隊就是五年你的31萬就是五年他不玩了嘛五年耶你一次要給他五年五年還分十次然後半年三萬一三萬一\n\n14:17.418 --> 14:32.884\n不是你們的政策我是覺得如果要擔心說我補助你萬一不做但是第一次購車款你至少要給人家一半嘛你要給人家一半嘛後面再監督他到底做得怎麼樣好啦我建議這個市長市長拜託一下通運計程車隨機找一些朋友來不然這些你現在1324台我做個結論有多少是5年以上他已經沒有在幹了他根本不按了\n\n14:47.509 --> 14:55.471\n五年了吧講是一般的車行員三年五年我不幹了你們這樣子我要多少服務態度要扶上去扶下來然後車制一樣他不幹了所以我覺得第一次的車款即使不能給他也要給三分之二三分之一呢看你到底有沒有去服務我們真的不能這樣的\n\n15:09.915 --> 15:23.492\n不能這樣你31萬要一次給他他第一次只拿到3萬1這是事實早上的一個車隊的情況如果你們還不知道跟你們政策的一個效度差異很大請你們去研究謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.831,"end":23.118,"text":"好感謝主席有請我們陳次長我想數位部已經回家了對陳次長還有我們公路局好公路局陳局長委員好好"},{"start":25.652,"end":49.524,"text":"這個首先啊因為你們兩位問你們兩位都公道了這個前面的公務總局的前局長現在公務局局長那這個問題事實上發生的時候網路在傳的時候我也打電話給我們現任的這個陳局長特別在談這個問題啊那那個情況你都知道嘛今年3月19號那個整個影片在傳嘛那當然他的這個"},{"start":51.545,"end":67.096,"text":"排氣管你覺得是不是原廠的或者檢查相關的一些問題那後面的情況在爭議的過程中我們的監理站的人員就說你去摸嘛這個就很燙你要去摸如果你可以放在上面20秒"},{"start":69.418,"end":86.091,"text":"20秒的話就算通過那我先問公務總局的這個陳彥博前局長好不好因為我感覺這個蠻有歷史是不是你那個時代傳承下來的這個經驗法則啊以前是有這樣規定嗎自己敢摸自己的排氣管那個發動之後20秒然後就算過關"},{"start":91.776,"end":104.791,"text":"現在陳局長你說一下各位報告其實我們同仁就是排氣管不是這樣檢驗我們已經對於同仁就是說做了更嚴格的一些教育訓練還有就是說"},{"start":106.793,"end":134.486,"text":"它的執行的方式我想我們也這個通令所有的各監理機關來做相關的一些檢討那基本上因為排氣管它就是防止就是說它被就是說這個太燙所以被燙到所以大概相關的形式跟這一個譬如說它的一個原廠的一些規格的話其實能夠改變的形式環境部也有相關的規範所以其實看那個大概就是說有一些這個環境部規定的一些形式的話其實就可以"},{"start":136.267,"end":162.344,"text":"這我懂嘛 但是你們人員是依法 執法 依法 行政就很清楚 有問題沒有過不需要吵架 你知道嗎你用吵架 我覺得這很奇怪弄完之後咧 當影片出來對機關形象如何對他這個處理方法真的是很奇怪那你說這個假設有隔熱板是放在後面你要摸後面還摸前面在討論這個我覺得都不應該啊那到底有沒有測溫槍這件事啊"},{"start":164.085,"end":166.408,"text":"你們有配備這個測溫槍嗎沒有就簡單來講這個排氣管合不合格形式合不合格需不需要透過測溫槍來測因為它基本上形式合格的部分的話其實就是它的這個溫度的話其實是可以就是說是沒有問題的"},{"start":184.106,"end":207.615,"text":"所以其實不用去摸或者是不用去測這個溫度好 那這個部分說都做好教育了是是是OK那可是有一個問題就是我們照做一番網路就發覺同樣一位我們認真的監理站的夥伴在前一個月2月24號就今年的2月24號也跟人家"},{"start":208.715,"end":232.231,"text":"跟一堆人在那邊吵啊 吵什麼 吵那個車牌啊右邊看到沒有 車牌 你看得很清楚吧 VLG然後 吵什麼車牌 V中間好像有一點有一些白色 是不是好像塗上去的好像為了讓大家看清楚 V 是不是有一些問題 然後"},{"start":234.272,"end":253.938,"text":"也在那邊吵我就覺得很奇怪因為相關的法令那個規定啊這個我就覺得有點奇怪你到底現在的一個情況是不是能夠達到不能夠辨識他的牌照人家的起心動念是說糟糕了不管刮到什麼我的V怕別人認不出來是讓"},{"start":255.498,"end":270.465,"text":"合法的牌照讓人家辨識更清楚假設我是黑色的是有點斷 被磨掉了我用黑色的鉛筆讓這個V呈現得更好這個有什麼好吵的啊那個局長你知不知道這件事"},{"start":272.242,"end":299.829,"text":"還是現在才聽說就是就是牌照的部分基本上就是說當然要辨識啦那所以就是說他如果說這個沒辦法辨識的話大概同仁都會覺得說那可能是不是就是可以就是來做一個換一下這個牌照這樣子那所以好啦現在就是辨識的很清楚他要看中間這個字好像有一點白色是不是有奇異比的內容我不知道你們SOP什麼我真的不知道"},{"start":300.589,"end":320.977,"text":"我真的 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一) 委員林俊憲等23 人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、\n(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、\n(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委\n員馬文君等19 人、( 七) 委員邱若華等17 人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、\n(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義\n川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十\n二條條文修正草案」案；三、審查 ( 一 ) 委員林俊憲等 22 人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草\n案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團\n擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。【本日會議僅針對開會事由二及三進行合併詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1144802_00001"}}}