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00:02:34,287\n那我們汽燃費它使用的本質就是在於道路的養護修建跟安全管理那我們有三個重點我們討論汽燃費都是要以道路為主體的那這三個重點就是說我們要確保這些養護修建管理的費用必須要充足而且徵收的對象是要以實際使用道路的路用車\n\n8\n00:02:35,507 --> 00:02:52,967\n第三收費應該要具有公平性那我們現在來討論一下相關的不管是隨車徵收水油徵收或者是水里程徵收各有它的優缺點那我請教一下我們現在目前是隨車徵收隨車徵收是按照CC數計算它的優點是什麼來次長說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:56,551 --> 00:03:19,124\n我想現行的一個制度其實是因為它比較雖然它是比較簡單的一個徵收的一個方式但是因為它強調吸吸術或是車種所以相關的一個民眾的認知上也比較容易能夠接受所以現在是採用這種方式在徵收它的因素應該就是它的這個\n\n10\n00:03:20,445 --> 00:03:39,860\n費用的來源比較穩定而且可以確保目前道路維護相關的管理的一個需求其實它的缺點是在於公平問題它不容易反映車輛實際使用道路的這樣一個狀況這是它的缺點所以吳征說你認為它的優點是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:42,101 --> 00:04:05,491\n水油徵收當然就是剛好就是剛才委員講到的水油徵收是用多少走在道路上使用多少油它就徵收多少但是這樣的一個方式它比較能反映這些車輛實際使用道路的狀況而且它的計算方式也比較簡單但是它的缺點呢另外一塊就是有些是用油\n\n12\n00:04:06,671 --> 00:04:30,715\n不用入像那個工業用油啦或者是有些人是提這個桶子去加油但是他加了油他可能是變成是小型的工程要用的所以像這種還有另外一個是徵收的上的因為我們所有的用油像這種都是在當時就徵收了如果像剛才講的這個用油不用入的那產生以後要退退這個錢都會產生相關的一個困擾\n\n13\n00:04:31,375 --> 00:04:45,722\n當然水有真實化它是能夠反映這個實際道路的使用情形而且機會的處理方式也比較簡單不過它的缺點當然是現在車輛的技術提升\n\n14\n00:04:46,542 --> 00:05:01,431\n那燃油的效率其實也提升以及電動車輛的發展像我剛才講的2018年汽機車使用電力的大概只有20萬輛到今年的3月已經提升到88萬輛\n\n15\n00:05:02,992 --> 00:05:24,262\n那然有效率提升跟電動車這樣一個發展當然會導致這個收費會下降那可能這個裁員就會有問題是不是啊對那隨著像我們現在有發現如果隨著電動車的一個繼續的一個使用如果也是採行現在免徵到了2030年大概會減徵的將近快36億元\n\n16\n00:05:28,004 --> 00:05:33,940\n好那現在大家社會大眾也在討論到是不是水里承徵收那水里承徵收你認為他的優點是什麼\n\n17\n00:05:36,184 --> 00:05:58,675\n水里程的徵收當然它就是反映在剛才講的公平性上大家走多少收多少它比較能夠實際反映出道路的使用狀況而且也避免這種電動車的這種趨勢所造成的影響而且能夠適應各種能源的這種車輛但是它的缺點是什麼\n\n18\n00:05:59,355 --> 00:06:27,975\n他缺點就是因為剛才特別提到就是說他要水里程徵收所以水里程如何來記錄這個里程這樣的一個技術呢可能就是他的技術其實就是有問題他的普及性以及篡改的問題那現在大概討論說以碼錶來登錄啦他有改錶的疑慮或是他沒有辦法有效的建立防避的機制或是OBD就是車上的診斷設備多數的舊車他沒有這樣的一個配備啦而且資料也可能被篡改\n\n19\n00:06:28,655 --> 00:06:50,855\n那OPU以及OPE就是車載單元跟車載機它設備的成員又比較高而且設備也有可能被拔除都是它相關的一個問題那我們來討論一下說我們交通部對於汽燃費到底有什麼具體的想法我先請教一下我們還是要把汽車燃料使用費\n\n20\n00:06:51,896 --> 00:07:16,004\n證明是這個道路養護費這個林俊憲委員跟我都有同樣的一個想法來你們說明一下我想委員所提出來希望證明他是道路的使用費或養護、修建的費用的這樣一個證明的修改這個汽車燃料使用費的這樣的一個建議或者是修法本部是支持的\n\n21\n00:07:16,944 --> 00:07:41,927\n當然我們在討論到這個棄燃費或者是這樣的一個道路維護的費用當然收費要公平而且它的相關的經費還是要充足它的費季要足夠另外就是負擔要合理這個為前提的那我們現在交通部針對相關的收費方式有沒有來做一個具體的一個討論我當然知道我們運營所\n\n22\n00:07:43,248 --> 00:07:47,840\n有做相關的研究這個醫院所研究要研究很久了要一年吧\n\n23\n00:07:49,066 --> 00:08:14,400\n來次長說明一下對運營所大概要研究大概一年到100我的了解要到115年底那到什麼時候115年年底這個實在是非常的令人難以想像這樣的一個關係到民眾的以及道路的這種維護啊竟然要拖那麼久那我們相關的我們針對電動車它是一個趨勢啊是\n\n24\n00:08:17,922 --> 00:08:23,327\n我也知道交通部有在討論嚴厲電動車的這個道路的維護費用也有計畫要徵收聽說是2030年有沒有這樣的一個想法來說明一下\n\n25\n00:08:33,377 --> 00:09:00,102\n我想跟委員報告一下剛才有特別提到汽燃費或是道路使用費其實就是從某個角度還是要公平那因為現在是近年轉型所以一開始的時候我們希望鼓勵電動車的一個使用但是隨著電動車剛才委員特別提到電動車數量越來越多的時候減增可能會影響到我們道路養護的經費所以政策上來講我們有規劃目前是規劃在2030年希望是不是可以延續來恢復來開增\n\n26\n00:09:02,683 --> 00:09:11,395\n我在交通委員會十幾年來大家都在討論相關七常會的這種徵收的方式交通部現在有沒有具體的一個想法來跟社會大眾來做一個說明\n\n27\n00:09:13,876 --> 00:09:41,076\n我想整個汽燃費徵收其實剛才委員特別提到他其實要考慮到幾個面向一個是公平一個是整個一個收費的整體的來源那另外一個是民眾能夠負擔所以這幾個問題那又隨著這個電動車的一個使用目前的這個議題就是我剛才特別提到我們是委請運輸研究所就這幾個面向還是沒有明確的答案還是要等\n\n28\n00:09:42,216 --> 00:10:10,643\n因緣所相關的這個報告出來因為不管是剛才委員特別提到現行來講隨車隨遊隨里程其實在近幾年來在交通委員會其實每一年大概都提都很多人在討論那討論為什麼到現在還是維持現在的隨車徵收其實也就是跟委員報告整個隨車徵收目前在世界很多的國家也是依舊在使用譬如說像新加坡日本或者是歐盟等等國家\n\n29\n00:10:11,443 --> 00:10:29,492\n日本也有不同的相關的地方他們實施不一樣的徵收方式也有但是多數來講還是多數地方還是採用這種方式所以這樣的一個方式如何改變我覺得我們還是要考慮到剛才三個名將共同來討論以後最後一分鐘我也最後一個小問題\n\n30\n00:10:31,038 --> 00:10:50,327\n那我們來討論一下國際電動車的趨勢其實我們對於相關的安全規格以及相關的停車場相關的設施其實也帶來面臨新的挑戰那電動車起火撲滅的時間是傳統油車的七至八倍耗費的水量是傳統油車的四十倍\n\n31\n00:10:51,067 --> 00:11:10,942\n燃燒時它的溫度大約是800至1000度而且產生大量的有毒物質而且隨時都可能再次的復燃那我們來看相關的這些國際的這樣的一個統計跟我們消防署自己的統計消防署的統計\n\n32\n00:11:12,724 --> 00:11:28,465\n電動車自駕從2021年到2024年平均每年都超過60件有相關它起火的原因跟電動車主要起火的因素那這些在上面我就不再贅述那我們要確保安全的標準\n\n33\n00:11:29,746 --> 00:11:48,518\n電池的狀態剛才我們看到很多起火的狀態電池也是一個主要的原因那歐盟在2022年有新增規定他們以機械的這種進行物理的衝擊來證明、驗證電池的安全性他們要求撞擊之後不得起火\n\n34\n00:11:49,198 --> 00:12:03,414\n不得爆炸電池要維持在原來安裝的位置而且要目視檢查電解液是否有洩漏的這樣一個情形而且在高電壓的電池要符合相關的防護等級\n\n35\n00:12:04,215 --> 00:12:18,851\n那測試環境溫度條件之下觀察一小時要確認電池狀態的穩定性歐盟對這個要求是很嚴格的那我請問一下我們的做法是什麼我們有沒有參照歐盟的規範來說明一下\n\n36\n00:12:22,095 --> 00:12:30,917\n這個部分跟委員報告一下,目前國內的車輛安全檢測基準是跟歐盟一樣,是調和聯合國UNR100導進來我們有沒有將這種漏液還有膨脹的狀況也拉入這個定檢,或是裝設這個感測器,研議來裝設這些感測器\n\n37\n00:12:42,180 --> 00:13:07,963\n這部分我跟委員報告第一個部分新車這個完整的法規就陳儒剛剛所報告的部分那這個使用中定期檢驗的部分那目前部裡面已經在這個111年把這個大型客車先給它進來就是定期檢驗的時候要去看這些要出去這個電池定期保養表這個部分那目前針對這個小客車的部分那公務總局跟這個公衛目前在研議當中未來也會把他進來\n\n38\n00:13:08,624 --> 00:13:30,617\n我們必須相關的安全規格要比照歐盟來針對電動車的安全實施這樣的一個督促我們在停車場相關的消防設備也希望能夠跟消防署來討論是不是比照美國的相關的這個標準來做相關的設施那相關時間的關係我再跟我們交通部來做討論以上謝謝召委員好謝謝委員謝謝李崑澤委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4087\t10334\t謝謝趙委 請一下陳彥博次長 陳文瑞局長 林福山市長 黃英貴市長 趙新華局長交通系統裡面最強的公路的五個人\n25404\t40268\t市長我們來討論一下有關於棄燃費相關的議題包括他的證明以及如何建立一個公平穩定的收費機制那目前棄燃費的收費的狀況當然是依照公路法第27條\n41508\t68222\t就是公路的主管機關因為我們的道路公路必須要養護修建以及安全管理所以來徵收汽車燃料使用費那目前的徵收的方式現行的方式是隨車徵收就按照車輛的CC數每年徵收大概是500億左右那汽燃費的分配當然是中央地方還有國道基金那我們來看\n69162\t91322\t棄燃費他的徵收以及分配的辦法第4條他有很多各款的車輛是免徵棄燃費包括電動汽車不過我們在這邊也要注意市長我們的電動車的比例是越來越高那我記得在2018年的時候我們的這個\n93755\t96118\t油車大概是2155萬輛就汽機車加起來那時候的這個電動車大概20萬輛但到今年的3月\n107475\t115022\t我們的相關的燃油汽車大概是2191萬輛但是從2018到2023年的3月我們的電動車已經從22萬輛20萬輛現在提升到88萬輛提升的比例已經看得出來\n129716\t154287\t那我們汽燃費它使用的本質就是在於道路的養護修建跟安全管理那我們有三個重點我們討論汽燃費都是要以道路為主體的那這三個重點就是說我們要確保這些養護修建管理的費用必須要充足而且徵收的對象是要以實際使用道路的路用車\n155507\t172967\t第三收費應該要具有公平性那我們現在來討論一下相關的不管是隨車徵收 水油徵收或者是水里程徵收各有它的優缺點那我請教一下我們現在目前是隨車徵收隨車徵收是按照CC數計算它的優點是什麼來次長說明一下\n176551\t199124\t我想現行的一個制度其實是因為它比較雖然它是比較簡單的一個徵收的一個方式但是因為它強調吸吸術或是車種所以相關的一個民眾的認知上也比較容易能夠接受所以現在是採用這種方式在徵收它的因素應該就是它的這個\n200445\t219860\t費用的來源比較穩定而且可以確保目前道路維護相關的管理的一個需求其實它的缺點是在於公平問題它不容易反映車輛實際使用道路的這樣一個狀況這是它的缺點所以吳征說你認為它的優點是什麼\n222101\t245491\t水油徵收當然就是剛好就是剛才委員講到的水油徵收是用多少走在道路上使用多少油它就徵收多少但是這樣的一個方式它比較能反映這些車輛實際使用道路的狀況而且它的計算方式也比較簡單但是它的缺點呢另外一塊就是有些是用油\n246671\t270715\t不用入 像那個工業用油啦 或者是有些人是提這個桶子去加油 但是他加了油他可能是變成是小型的工程要用的所以像這種還有另外一個是徵收的上的 因為我們所有的用油像這種都是在當時就徵收了如果像剛才講的這個用油不用入的 那產生以後要退退這個錢 都會產生相關的一個困擾\n271375\t285722\t當然水有真實化它是能夠反映這個實際道路的使用情形而且機會的處理方式也比較簡單不過它的缺點當然是現在車輛的技術提升\n286542\t301431\t那燃油的效率其實也提升以及電動車輛的發展像我剛才講的2018年汽機車使用電力的大概只有20萬輛到今年的3月已經提升到88萬輛\n302992\t324262\t那然有效率提升跟電動車這樣一個發展當然會導致這個收費會下降那可能這個裁員就會有問題是不是啊對 那隨著像我們現在有發現如果隨著電動車的一個繼續的一個使用如果也是採行現在免徵到了2030年大概會減徵的將近快36億元\n328004\t333940\t好那現在大家社會大眾也在討論到是不是水里承徵收那水里承徵收你認為他的優點是什麼\n336184\t358675\t水里程的徵收當然它就是反映在剛才講的公平性上大家走多少收多少它比較能夠實際反映出道路的使用狀況而且也避免這種電動車的這種趨勢所造成的影響而且能夠適應各種能源的這種車輛但是它的缺點是什麼\n359355\t387975\t他缺點就是因為剛才特別提到就是說他要水里程徵收所以水里程如何來記錄這個里程這樣的一個技術呢可能就是他的技術其實就是有問題他的普及性以及篡改的問題那現在大概討論說以碼錶來登錄啦他有改錶的疑慮或是他沒有辦法有效的建立防避的機制或是OBD就是車上的診斷設備多數的舊車他沒有這樣的一個配備啦而且資料也可能被篡改\n388655\t410855\t那OPU以及OPE就是車載單元跟車載機它設備的成員又比較高而且設備也有可能被拔除都是它相關的一個問題那我們來討論一下說我們交通部對於汽燃費到底有什麼具體的想法我先請教一下我們還是要把汽車燃料使用費\n411896\t436004\t證明是這個道路養護費這個林俊憲委員跟我都有同樣的一個想法來你們說明一下我想委員所提出來希望證明他是道路的使用費或養護、修建的費用的這樣一個證明的修改這個汽車燃料使用費的這樣的一個建議或者是修法本部是支持的\n436944\t461927\t當然我們在討論到這個棄燃費或者是這樣的一個道路維護的費用當然收費要公平而且它的相關的經費還是要充足它的費季要足夠另外就是負擔要合理這個為前提的那我們現在交通部針對相關的收費方式有沒有來做一個具體的一個討論我當然知道我們運營所\n463248\t467840\t有做相關的研究這個醫院所研究要研究很久了要一年吧\n469066\t494400\t來 次長說明一下對 運營所大概要研究大概一年到100 我的了解要到115年底那到什麼時候115年年底這個實在是非常的令人難以想像這樣的一個關係到民眾的以及道路的這種維護啊 竟然要拖那麼久那我們相關的我們針對電動車它是一個趨勢啊是\n497922\t503327\t我也知道交通部有在討論嚴厲電動車的這個道路的維護費用也有計畫要徵收聽說是2030年有沒有這樣的一個想法來說明一下\n513377\t540102\t我想跟委員報告一下剛才有特別提到汽燃費或是道路使用費其實就是從某個角度還是要公平那因為現在是近年轉型所以一開始的時候我們希望鼓勵電動車的一個使用但是隨著電動車剛才委員特別提到電動車數量越來越多的時候減增可能會影響到我們道路養護的經費所以政策上來講我們有規劃目前是規劃在2030年希望是不是可以延續來恢復來開增\n542683\t551395\t我在交通委員會十幾年來大家都在討論相關七常會的這種徵收的方式交通部現在有沒有具體的一個想法來跟社會大眾來做一個說明\n553876\t581076\t我想整個汽燃費徵收其實剛才委員特別提到他其實要考慮到幾個面向一個是公平一個是整個一個收費的整體的來源那另外一個是民眾能夠負擔所以這幾個問題那又隨著這個電動車的一個使用目前的這個議題就是我剛才特別提到我們是委請運輸研究所就這幾個面向還是沒有明確的答案還是要等\n582216\t610643\t因緣所相關的這個報告出來因為不管是剛才委員特別提到現行來講隨車隨遊隨里程其實在近幾年來在交通委員會其實每一年大概都提都很多人在討論那討論為什麼到現在還是維持現在的隨車徵收其實也就是跟委員報告整個隨車徵收目前在世界很多的國家也是依舊在使用譬如說像新加坡日本或者是歐盟等等國家\n611443\t629492\t日本也有不同的相關的地方他們實施不一樣的徵收方式也有但是多數來講還是多數地方還是採用這種方式所以這樣的一個方式如何改變我覺得我們還是要考慮到剛才三個名將共同來討論以後最後一分鐘我也最後一個小問題\n631038\t650327\t那我們來討論一下國際電動車的趨勢其實我們對於相關的安全規格以及相關的停車場相關的設施其實也帶來面臨新的挑戰那電動車起火撲滅的時間是傳統油車的七至八倍耗費的水量是傳統油車的四十倍\n651067\t670942\t燃燒時它的溫度大約是800至1000度而且產生大量的有毒物質而且隨時都可能再次的復燃那我們來看相關的這些國際的這樣的一個統計跟我們消防署自己的統計消防署的統計\n672724\t688465\t電動車自駕從2021年到2024年平均每年都超過60件有相關它起火的原因跟電動車主要起火的因素那這些在上面我就不再贅述那我們要確保安全的標準\n689746\t708518\t電池的狀態剛才我們看到很多起火的狀態電池也是一個主要的原因那歐盟在2022年有新增規定他們以機械的這種進行物理的衝擊來證明、驗證電池的安全性他們要求撞擊之後不得起火\n709198\t723414\t不得爆炸電池要維持在原來安裝的位置而且要目視檢查電解液是否有洩漏的這樣一個情形而且在高電壓的電池要符合相關的防護等級\n724215\t738851\t那測試環境溫度條件之下觀察一小時要確認電池狀態的穩定性歐盟對這個要求是很嚴格的那我請問一下我們的做法是什麼我們有沒有參照歐盟的規範來說明一下\n742095\t750917\t這個部分跟委員報告一下,目前國內的車輛安全檢測基準是跟歐盟一樣,是調和聯合國UNR100導進來我們有沒有將這種漏液還有膨脹的狀況也拉入這個定檢,或是裝設這個感測器,研議來裝設這些感測器\n762180\t787963\t這部分我跟委員報告 第一個部分新車這個完整的法規就陳儒剛剛所報告的部分那這個使用中定期檢驗的部分 那目前部裡面已經在這個111年把這個大型客車先給它進來就是定期檢驗的時候要去看這些要出去這個電池定期保養表這個部分那目前針對這個小客車的部分那公務總局跟這個公衛目前在研議當中未來也會把他進來\n788624\t810617\t我們必須相關的安全規格要比照歐盟來針對電動車的安全實施這樣的一個督促我們在停車場相關的消防設備也希望能夠跟消防署來討論是不是比照美國的相關的這個標準來做相關的設施那相關時間的關係我再跟我們交通部來做討論以上謝謝召委員好 謝謝委員謝謝李崑澤委員\n","txt":"謝謝趙委 請一下陳彥博次長 陳文瑞局長 林福山市長 黃英貴市長 趙新華局長交通系統裡面最強的公路的五個人\n市長我們來討論一下有關於棄燃費相關的議題包括他的證明以及如何建立一個公平穩定的收費機制那目前棄燃費的收費的狀況當然是依照公路法第27條\n就是公路的主管機關因為我們的道路公路必須要養護修建以及安全管理所以來徵收汽車燃料使用費那目前的徵收的方式現行的方式是隨車徵收就按照車輛的CC數每年徵收大概是500億左右那汽燃費的分配當然是中央地方還有國道基金那我們來看\n棄燃費他的徵收以及分配的辦法第4條他有很多各款的車輛是免徵棄燃費包括電動汽車不過我們在這邊也要注意市長我們的電動車的比例是越來越高那我記得在2018年的時候我們的這個\n油車大概是2155萬輛就汽機車加起來那時候的這個電動車大概20萬輛但到今年的3月\n我們的相關的燃油汽車大概是2191萬輛但是從2018到2023年的3月我們的電動車已經從22萬輛20萬輛現在提升到88萬輛提升的比例已經看得出來\n那我們汽燃費它使用的本質就是在於道路的養護修建跟安全管理那我們有三個重點我們討論汽燃費都是要以道路為主體的那這三個重點就是說我們要確保這些養護修建管理的費用必須要充足而且徵收的對象是要以實際使用道路的路用車\n第三收費應該要具有公平性那我們現在來討論一下相關的不管是隨車徵收 水油徵收或者是水里程徵收各有它的優缺點那我請教一下我們現在目前是隨車徵收隨車徵收是按照CC數計算它的優點是什麼來次長說明一下\n我想現行的一個制度其實是因為它比較雖然它是比較簡單的一個徵收的一個方式但是因為它強調吸吸術或是車種所以相關的一個民眾的認知上也比較容易能夠接受所以現在是採用這種方式在徵收它的因素應該就是它的這個\n費用的來源比較穩定而且可以確保目前道路維護相關的管理的一個需求其實它的缺點是在於公平問題它不容易反映車輛實際使用道路的這樣一個狀況這是它的缺點所以吳征說你認為它的優點是什麼\n水油徵收當然就是剛好就是剛才委員講到的水油徵收是用多少走在道路上使用多少油它就徵收多少但是這樣的一個方式它比較能反映這些車輛實際使用道路的狀況而且它的計算方式也比較簡單但是它的缺點呢另外一塊就是有些是用油\n不用入 像那個工業用油啦 或者是有些人是提這個桶子去加油 但是他加了油他可能是變成是小型的工程要用的所以像這種還有另外一個是徵收的上的 因為我們所有的用油像這種都是在當時就徵收了如果像剛才講的這個用油不用入的 那產生以後要退退這個錢 都會產生相關的一個困擾\n當然水有真實化它是能夠反映這個實際道路的使用情形而且機會的處理方式也比較簡單不過它的缺點當然是現在車輛的技術提升\n那燃油的效率其實也提升以及電動車輛的發展像我剛才講的2018年汽機車使用電力的大概只有20萬輛到今年的3月已經提升到88萬輛\n那然有效率提升跟電動車這樣一個發展當然會導致這個收費會下降那可能這個裁員就會有問題是不是啊對 那隨著像我們現在有發現如果隨著電動車的一個繼續的一個使用如果也是採行現在免徵到了2030年大概會減徵的將近快36億元\n好那現在大家社會大眾也在討論到是不是水里承徵收那水里承徵收你認為他的優點是什麼\n水里程的徵收當然它就是反映在剛才講的公平性上大家走多少收多少它比較能夠實際反映出道路的使用狀況而且也避免這種電動車的這種趨勢所造成的影響而且能夠適應各種能源的這種車輛但是它的缺點是什麼\n他缺點就是因為剛才特別提到就是說他要水里程徵收所以水里程如何來記錄這個里程這樣的一個技術呢可能就是他的技術其實就是有問題他的普及性以及篡改的問題那現在大概討論說以碼錶來登錄啦他有改錶的疑慮或是他沒有辦法有效的建立防避的機制或是OBD就是車上的診斷設備多數的舊車他沒有這樣的一個配備啦而且資料也可能被篡改\n那OPU以及OPE就是車載單元跟車載機它設備的成員又比較高而且設備也有可能被拔除都是它相關的一個問題那我們來討論一下說我們交通部對於汽燃費到底有什麼具體的想法我先請教一下我們還是要把汽車燃料使用費\n證明是這個道路養護費這個林俊憲委員跟我都有同樣的一個想法來你們說明一下我想委員所提出來希望證明他是道路的使用費或養護、修建的費用的這樣一個證明的修改這個汽車燃料使用費的這樣的一個建議或者是修法本部是支持的\n當然我們在討論到這個棄燃費或者是這樣的一個道路維護的費用當然收費要公平而且它的相關的經費還是要充足它的費季要足夠另外就是負擔要合理這個為前提的那我們現在交通部針對相關的收費方式有沒有來做一個具體的一個討論我當然知道我們運營所\n有做相關的研究這個醫院所研究要研究很久了要一年吧\n來 次長說明一下對 運營所大概要研究大概一年到100 我的了解要到115年底那到什麼時候115年年底這個實在是非常的令人難以想像這樣的一個關係到民眾的以及道路的這種維護啊 竟然要拖那麼久那我們相關的我們針對電動車它是一個趨勢啊是\n我也知道交通部有在討論嚴厲電動車的這個道路的維護費用也有計畫要徵收聽說是2030年有沒有這樣的一個想法來說明一下\n我想跟委員報告一下剛才有特別提到汽燃費或是道路使用費其實就是從某個角度還是要公平那因為現在是近年轉型所以一開始的時候我們希望鼓勵電動車的一個使用但是隨著電動車剛才委員特別提到電動車數量越來越多的時候減增可能會影響到我們道路養護的經費所以政策上來講我們有規劃目前是規劃在2030年希望是不是可以延續來恢復來開增\n我在交通委員會十幾年來大家都在討論相關七常會的這種徵收的方式交通部現在有沒有具體的一個想法來跟社會大眾來做一個說明\n我想整個汽燃費徵收其實剛才委員特別提到他其實要考慮到幾個面向一個是公平一個是整個一個收費的整體的來源那另外一個是民眾能夠負擔所以這幾個問題那又隨著這個電動車的一個使用目前的這個議題就是我剛才特別提到我們是委請運輸研究所就這幾個面向還是沒有明確的答案還是要等\n因緣所相關的這個報告出來因為不管是剛才委員特別提到現行來講隨車隨遊隨里程其實在近幾年來在交通委員會其實每一年大概都提都很多人在討論那討論為什麼到現在還是維持現在的隨車徵收其實也就是跟委員報告整個隨車徵收目前在世界很多的國家也是依舊在使用譬如說像新加坡日本或者是歐盟等等國家\n日本也有不同的相關的地方他們實施不一樣的徵收方式也有但是多數來講還是多數地方還是採用這種方式所以這樣的一個方式如何改變我覺得我們還是要考慮到剛才三個名將共同來討論以後最後一分鐘我也最後一個小問題\n那我們來討論一下國際電動車的趨勢其實我們對於相關的安全規格以及相關的停車場相關的設施其實也帶來面臨新的挑戰那電動車起火撲滅的時間是傳統油車的七至八倍耗費的水量是傳統油車的四十倍\n燃燒時它的溫度大約是800至1000度而且產生大量的有毒物質而且隨時都可能再次的復燃那我們來看相關的這些國際的這樣的一個統計跟我們消防署自己的統計消防署的統計\n電動車自駕從2021年到2024年平均每年都超過60件有相關它起火的原因跟電動車主要起火的因素那這些在上面我就不再贅述那我們要確保安全的標準\n電池的狀態剛才我們看到很多起火的狀態電池也是一個主要的原因那歐盟在2022年有新增規定他們以機械的這種進行物理的衝擊來證明、驗證電池的安全性他們要求撞擊之後不得起火\n不得爆炸電池要維持在原來安裝的位置而且要目視檢查電解液是否有洩漏的這樣一個情形而且在高電壓的電池要符合相關的防護等級\n那測試環境溫度條件之下觀察一小時要確認電池狀態的穩定性歐盟對這個要求是很嚴格的那我請問一下我們的做法是什麼我們有沒有參照歐盟的規範來說明一下\n這個部分跟委員報告一下,目前國內的車輛安全檢測基準是跟歐盟一樣,是調和聯合國UNR100導進來我們有沒有將這種漏液還有膨脹的狀況也拉入這個定檢,或是裝設這個感測器,研議來裝設這些感測器\n這部分我跟委員報告 第一個部分新車這個完整的法規就陳儒剛剛所報告的部分那這個使用中定期檢驗的部分 那目前部裡面已經在這個111年把這個大型客車先給它進來就是定期檢驗的時候要去看這些要出去這個電池定期保養表這個部分那目前針對這個小客車的部分那公務總局跟這個公衛目前在研議當中未來也會把他進來\n我們必須相關的安全規格要比照歐盟來針對電動車的安全實施這樣的一個督促我們在停車場相關的消防設備也希望能夠跟消防署來討論是不是比照美國的相關的這個標準來做相關的設施那相關時間的關係我再跟我們交通部來做討論以上謝謝召委員好 謝謝委員謝謝李崑澤委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.087 --> 00:10.334\n謝謝趙委請一下陳彥博次長陳文瑞局長林福山市長黃英貴市長趙新華局長交通系統裡面最強的公路的五個人\n\n00:25.404 --> 00:40.268\n市長我們來討論一下有關於棄燃費相關的議題包括他的證明以及如何建立一個公平穩定的收費機制那目前棄燃費的收費的狀況當然是依照公路法第27條\n\n00:41.508 --> 01:08.222\n就是公路的主管機關因為我們的道路公路必須要養護修建以及安全管理所以來徵收汽車燃料使用費那目前的徵收的方式現行的方式是隨車徵收就按照車輛的CC數每年徵收大概是500億左右那汽燃費的分配當然是中央地方還有國道基金那我們來看\n\n01:09.162 --> 01:31.322\n棄燃費他的徵收以及分配的辦法第4條他有很多各款的車輛是免徵棄燃費包括電動汽車不過我們在這邊也要注意市長我們的電動車的比例是越來越高那我記得在2018年的時候我們的這個\n\n01:33.755 --> 01:36.118\n油車大概是2155萬輛就汽機車加起來那時候的這個電動車大概20萬輛但到今年的3月\n\n01:47.475 --> 01:55.022\n我們的相關的燃油汽車大概是2191萬輛但是從2018到2023年的3月我們的電動車已經從22萬輛20萬輛現在提升到88萬輛提升的比例已經看得出來\n\n02:09.716 --> 02:34.287\n那我們汽燃費它使用的本質就是在於道路的養護修建跟安全管理那我們有三個重點我們討論汽燃費都是要以道路為主體的那這三個重點就是說我們要確保這些養護修建管理的費用必須要充足而且徵收的對象是要以實際使用道路的路用車\n\n02:35.507 --> 02:52.967\n第三收費應該要具有公平性那我們現在來討論一下相關的不管是隨車徵收水油徵收或者是水里程徵收各有它的優缺點那我請教一下我們現在目前是隨車徵收隨車徵收是按照CC數計算它的優點是什麼來次長說明一下\n\n02:56.551 --> 03:19.124\n我想現行的一個制度其實是因為它比較雖然它是比較簡單的一個徵收的一個方式但是因為它強調吸吸術或是車種所以相關的一個民眾的認知上也比較容易能夠接受所以現在是採用這種方式在徵收它的因素應該就是它的這個\n\n03:20.445 --> 03:39.860\n費用的來源比較穩定而且可以確保目前道路維護相關的管理的一個需求其實它的缺點是在於公平問題它不容易反映車輛實際使用道路的這樣一個狀況這是它的缺點所以吳征說你認為它的優點是什麼\n\n03:42.101 --> 04:05.491\n水油徵收當然就是剛好就是剛才委員講到的水油徵收是用多少走在道路上使用多少油它就徵收多少但是這樣的一個方式它比較能反映這些車輛實際使用道路的狀況而且它的計算方式也比較簡單但是它的缺點呢另外一塊就是有些是用油\n\n04:06.671 --> 04:30.715\n不用入像那個工業用油啦或者是有些人是提這個桶子去加油但是他加了油他可能是變成是小型的工程要用的所以像這種還有另外一個是徵收的上的因為我們所有的用油像這種都是在當時就徵收了如果像剛才講的這個用油不用入的那產生以後要退退這個錢都會產生相關的一個困擾\n\n04:31.375 --> 04:45.722\n當然水有真實化它是能夠反映這個實際道路的使用情形而且機會的處理方式也比較簡單不過它的缺點當然是現在車輛的技術提升\n\n04:46.542 --> 05:01.431\n那燃油的效率其實也提升以及電動車輛的發展像我剛才講的2018年汽機車使用電力的大概只有20萬輛到今年的3月已經提升到88萬輛\n\n05:02.992 --> 05:24.262\n那然有效率提升跟電動車這樣一個發展當然會導致這個收費會下降那可能這個裁員就會有問題是不是啊對那隨著像我們現在有發現如果隨著電動車的一個繼續的一個使用如果也是採行現在免徵到了2030年大概會減徵的將近快36億元\n\n05:28.004 --> 05:33.940\n好那現在大家社會大眾也在討論到是不是水里承徵收那水里承徵收你認為他的優點是什麼\n\n05:36.184 --> 05:58.675\n水里程的徵收當然它就是反映在剛才講的公平性上大家走多少收多少它比較能夠實際反映出道路的使用狀況而且也避免這種電動車的這種趨勢所造成的影響而且能夠適應各種能源的這種車輛但是它的缺點是什麼\n\n05:59.355 --> 06:27.975\n他缺點就是因為剛才特別提到就是說他要水里程徵收所以水里程如何來記錄這個里程這樣的一個技術呢可能就是他的技術其實就是有問題他的普及性以及篡改的問題那現在大概討論說以碼錶來登錄啦他有改錶的疑慮或是他沒有辦法有效的建立防避的機制或是OBD就是車上的診斷設備多數的舊車他沒有這樣的一個配備啦而且資料也可能被篡改\n\n06:28.655 --> 06:50.855\n那OPU以及OPE就是車載單元跟車載機它設備的成員又比較高而且設備也有可能被拔除都是它相關的一個問題那我們來討論一下說我們交通部對於汽燃費到底有什麼具體的想法我先請教一下我們還是要把汽車燃料使用費\n\n06:51.896 --> 07:16.004\n證明是這個道路養護費這個林俊憲委員跟我都有同樣的一個想法來你們說明一下我想委員所提出來希望證明他是道路的使用費或養護、修建的費用的這樣一個證明的修改這個汽車燃料使用費的這樣的一個建議或者是修法本部是支持的\n\n07:16.944 --> 07:41.927\n當然我們在討論到這個棄燃費或者是這樣的一個道路維護的費用當然收費要公平而且它的相關的經費還是要充足它的費季要足夠另外就是負擔要合理這個為前提的那我們現在交通部針對相關的收費方式有沒有來做一個具體的一個討論我當然知道我們運營所\n\n07:43.248 --> 07:47.840\n有做相關的研究這個醫院所研究要研究很久了要一年吧\n\n07:49.066 --> 08:14.400\n來次長說明一下對運營所大概要研究大概一年到100我的了解要到115年底那到什麼時候115年年底這個實在是非常的令人難以想像這樣的一個關係到民眾的以及道路的這種維護啊竟然要拖那麼久那我們相關的我們針對電動車它是一個趨勢啊是\n\n08:17.922 --> 08:23.327\n我也知道交通部有在討論嚴厲電動車的這個道路的維護費用也有計畫要徵收聽說是2030年有沒有這樣的一個想法來說明一下\n\n08:33.377 --> 09:00.102\n我想跟委員報告一下剛才有特別提到汽燃費或是道路使用費其實就是從某個角度還是要公平那因為現在是近年轉型所以一開始的時候我們希望鼓勵電動車的一個使用但是隨著電動車剛才委員特別提到電動車數量越來越多的時候減增可能會影響到我們道路養護的經費所以政策上來講我們有規劃目前是規劃在2030年希望是不是可以延續來恢復來開增\n\n09:02.683 --> 09:11.395\n我在交通委員會十幾年來大家都在討論相關七常會的這種徵收的方式交通部現在有沒有具體的一個想法來跟社會大眾來做一個說明\n\n09:13.876 --> 09:41.076\n我想整個汽燃費徵收其實剛才委員特別提到他其實要考慮到幾個面向一個是公平一個是整個一個收費的整體的來源那另外一個是民眾能夠負擔所以這幾個問題那又隨著這個電動車的一個使用目前的這個議題就是我剛才特別提到我們是委請運輸研究所就這幾個面向還是沒有明確的答案還是要等\n\n09:42.216 --> 10:10.643\n因緣所相關的這個報告出來因為不管是剛才委員特別提到現行來講隨車隨遊隨里程其實在近幾年來在交通委員會其實每一年大概都提都很多人在討論那討論為什麼到現在還是維持現在的隨車徵收其實也就是跟委員報告整個隨車徵收目前在世界很多的國家也是依舊在使用譬如說像新加坡日本或者是歐盟等等國家\n\n10:11.443 --> 10:29.492\n日本也有不同的相關的地方他們實施不一樣的徵收方式也有但是多數來講還是多數地方還是採用這種方式所以這樣的一個方式如何改變我覺得我們還是要考慮到剛才三個名將共同來討論以後最後一分鐘我也最後一個小問題\n\n10:31.038 --> 10:50.327\n那我們來討論一下國際電動車的趨勢其實我們對於相關的安全規格以及相關的停車場相關的設施其實也帶來面臨新的挑戰那電動車起火撲滅的時間是傳統油車的七至八倍耗費的水量是傳統油車的四十倍\n\n10:51.067 --> 11:10.942\n燃燒時它的溫度大約是800至1000度而且產生大量的有毒物質而且隨時都可能再次的復燃那我們來看相關的這些國際的這樣的一個統計跟我們消防署自己的統計消防署的統計\n\n11:12.724 --> 11:28.465\n電動車自駕從2021年到2024年平均每年都超過60件有相關它起火的原因跟電動車主要起火的因素那這些在上面我就不再贅述那我們要確保安全的標準\n\n11:29.746 --> 11:48.518\n電池的狀態剛才我們看到很多起火的狀態電池也是一個主要的原因那歐盟在2022年有新增規定他們以機械的這種進行物理的衝擊來證明、驗證電池的安全性他們要求撞擊之後不得起火\n\n11:49.198 --> 12:03.414\n不得爆炸電池要維持在原來安裝的位置而且要目視檢查電解液是否有洩漏的這樣一個情形而且在高電壓的電池要符合相關的防護等級\n\n12:04.215 --> 12:18.851\n那測試環境溫度條件之下觀察一小時要確認電池狀態的穩定性歐盟對這個要求是很嚴格的那我請問一下我們的做法是什麼我們有沒有參照歐盟的規範來說明一下\n\n12:22.095 --> 12:30.917\n這個部分跟委員報告一下,目前國內的車輛安全檢測基準是跟歐盟一樣,是調和聯合國UNR100導進來我們有沒有將這種漏液還有膨脹的狀況也拉入這個定檢,或是裝設這個感測器,研議來裝設這些感測器\n\n12:42.180 --> 13:07.963\n這部分我跟委員報告第一個部分新車這個完整的法規就陳儒剛剛所報告的部分那這個使用中定期檢驗的部分那目前部裡面已經在這個111年把這個大型客車先給它進來就是定期檢驗的時候要去看這些要出去這個電池定期保養表這個部分那目前針對這個小客車的部分那公務總局跟這個公衛目前在研議當中未來也會把他進來\n\n13:08.624 --> 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謝謝委員謝謝李崑澤委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":407,"blocks":[["李委員昆澤：（10時27分）謝謝召委，請一下陳彥伯次長、陳文瑞局長、林福山司長、黃運貴司長、趙興華局長，交通系統裡面公路最強的5個人。"],["主席：陳次長、陳局長、黃司長、林司長、趙局長。"],["李委員昆澤：次長，我們來討論一下汽燃費相關的議題，包括它的正名以及如何建立一個公平穩定的收費機制。目前汽燃費的收費狀況當然是依照公路法第二十七條，公路主管機關因為我們的道路、公路必須要養護、修建以及安全管理，所以徵收汽車燃料使用費。現行的徵收方式是隨車徵收，就是按照車輛的cc數，每年徵收大概500億左右，而汽燃費的分配當然是中央、地方還有國道基金。","我們來看汽車燃料使用費徵收及分配辦法第四條，有很多各款車輛是免徵汽燃費，包括電動汽車。不過我們在這邊也要注意，次長，我們的電動車比例越來越高，我記得在2018年的時候，我們的油車大概是2,155萬輛，就是汽機車加起來，那時候的電動車大概20萬輛；到今年的3月，我們相關的燃油汽車大概是2,191萬輛，但是從2018年到2023年的3月，我們的電動車已經從20萬輛提升到88萬輛，提升的比例已經看得出來。","我們汽燃費使用的本質就是在於道路的養護、修建跟安全管理，我們有三個重點，討論汽燃費都是要以道路為主體，而這三個重點分別是：第一個，要確保這些養護修建及安全管理的費用必須要充足；第二個，徵收的對象要以實際使用道路的路用車輛；第三個，收費應該要具有公平性。","現在來討論一下相關的不管是隨車徵收、隨油徵收，或者是隨里程徵收都各有優缺點。請教一下，我們現在是隨車徵收，是按照cc數作為計算，它的優點是什麼？請次長說明一下。"],["陳次長彥伯：現行隨車徵收的制度是比較簡單的徵收方式，因為它強調是cc數或是車種，相關民眾的認知上也比較容易能夠接受，所以現在是採用這種方式在徵收，而且現行的……"],["李委員昆澤：它的優點應該就是費用的來源比較穩定，而且可以確保目前道路維護管理的相關需求，其實它的缺點在於公平問題啦！它不容易反映車輛實際使用道路的這樣狀況。"],["陳次長彥伯：是。"],["李委員昆澤：這是它的缺點，你認為隨油徵收的優點是什麼？"],["陳次長彥伯：隨油徵收是剛才委員提到的，走在道路上使用多少油就徵收多少，但是這樣的方式……"],["李委員昆澤：對，它比較能反映這些車輛實際使用道路的狀況啦！"],["陳次長彥伯：對，但是有另外一塊就是……"],["李委員昆澤：而且它的計算方式也比較簡單，但是它的缺點呢？"],["陳次長彥伯：另外一塊就是有些是「用油不用路」，像工業用油或者是有些人是提著桶子去加油，但是他加了油，可能是給小型的工程要用的，所以像這種……還有另外一個是徵收得上的，因為我們所有的用油，像這種都是在當時就徵收了，如果像剛才提到的「用油不用路」，以後要退費的話，都會產生相關的困擾。"],["李委員昆澤：當然隨油徵收能夠反映實際道路的使用情形，而且計費的處理方式也比較簡單，不過它的缺點是現在車輛的技術提升，燃油的效率也提升以及電動車輛的發展，誠如我剛才提到的，2018年汽機車使用電力的大概只有20萬輛，到今年3月已經提升到88萬輛，燃油效率提升跟電動車這樣的發展，當然會導致徵收費用下降，可能這個財源就會有問題，是不是？"],["陳次長彥伯：對，我們現在有發現隨著電動車繼續使用，如果採行現在的免徵措施，到了2030年大概會減徵將近36億元，所以對整體的……"],["李委員昆澤：好，現在社會大眾也在討論是不是隨里程徵收，你認為隨里程徵收的優點是什麼？"],["陳次長彥伯：隨里程徵收就是反映在剛才提到的公平性上嘛！大家走多少，就收多少。"],["李委員昆澤：對，它比較能夠實際反映出道路使用的狀況，也可以避免電動車的發展趨勢所造成的影響，而且能夠適應各種人員的這種車輛，但是它的缺點是什麼？"],["陳次長彥伯：它的缺點剛才也有特別提到要隨里程徵收，隨里程要如何紀錄這個里程？這樣的技術可能就是……"],["李委員昆澤：它的技術其實就是有問題，包含它的普及性以及篡改的問題。現在要討論的是，如果以碼錶來登錄，會有改錶的疑慮，或者是沒有辦法有效建立防弊機制，或是OBD就是車上的診斷設備，多數的舊車沒有這樣的配備，而且資料也可能被篡改，OBU及OBE就是車載單元及車載機，它設備的成本又比較高，而且設備也有可能被拔除，都是它相關的問題啦！我們來討論一下，交通部對於汽燃費到底有什麼具體的想法？我先請教一下，我們還是要把汽車燃料使用費正名為道路養護費，林俊憲委員跟我都有同樣的想法，你們說明一下。"],["陳次長彥伯：委員提出希望將汽車燃料使用費正名為道路的使用費或是養護修建費用，這樣的修改建議或者修法，本部是支持的。"],["李委員昆澤：好，我們討論到這個汽燃費或者道路維護的費用，當然收費要公平！而且它的相關經費還是要充足、費基要足夠，另外就是負擔要合理，以這些為前提。現在交通部針對相關的收費方式有沒有具體的討論？我當然知道你們運研所有做相關的研究，但運研所要研究很久，要一年吧？次長請說明一下。"],["陳次長彥伯：對，以我的了解運研所大概要研究到115年年底。"],["李委員昆澤：它到什麼時候？"],["陳次長彥伯：115年年底。"],["李委員昆澤：這個實在是非常令人難以想像啊！這樣攸關到民眾的權益以及道路的維護，竟然要拖那麼久。我們針對電動車的發展趨勢，我也知道交通部有在討論及研議電動車的道路維護費用，也有計劃要徵收，聽說要在2030年開始徵收，有沒有這樣的想法？說明一下。"],["陳次長彥伯：跟委員報告一下，剛才有特別提到汽燃費或者道路使用費，其實從某個角度還是要公平啦！因為現在是淨零轉型，所以一開始的時候，我們希望鼓勵電動車的使用，但是剛才委員特別提到隨著電動車的數量越來越多的時候，減徵可能會影響到我們道路養護的經費，所以以政策層面來講，我們目前有規劃在2030年，希望是不是可以研議恢復開徵。"],["李委員昆澤：好，我在交通委員會十幾年來，大家都在討論相關汽燃費的這種徵收方式，交通部現在有沒有具體的想法跟社會大眾說明？"],["陳次長彥伯：有關整個汽燃費徵收，剛才委員特別提到，其實要考慮到幾個面向，一個是公平，一個是整個收費的整體來源，另外一個是民眾能夠負擔，這幾個問題又隨著電動車的使用，目前這個議題就是我剛才特別提到，我委請運輸研究所就這幾個面向研究並加以考量。"],["李委員昆澤：還是沒有明確的答案，還是要等運研所相關的報告出來。"],["陳次長彥伯：是的，不管是剛才委員特別提到現行的隨車、隨油及隨里程，其實近幾年來在交通委員會，每一年都有很多人在討論啦！為什麼到現在還是維持現在的隨車徵收？跟委員報告，整個隨車徵收，目前世界很多的國家依舊在使用，譬如像新加坡、日本或者是歐盟等等國家都還是使用……"],["李委員昆澤：日本也有不同相關的地方，他們實施不一樣的徵收方式。"],["陳次長彥伯：是，也是有不一樣的地方。但是多數地方來講，還是採用這種方式，所以這樣的方式如何改變，我覺得我們還是要考慮到剛才三個面向並共同討論後，再來提出方案。"],["李委員昆澤：最後一分鐘提出最後一個小問題，有關國際電動車這樣的發展趨勢，我們對於相關的安全規格以及相關的停車場等相關的設施，其實也面臨新的挑戰，電動車起火撲滅的時間是傳統油車的7至8倍，耗費的水量是傳統油車的40倍，燃燒時的溫度大約是800至1,000度，而且會產生大量的有毒物質，隨時都可能再次復燃。根據消防署自己的統計，有關電動車致災的案件數，從2021年到2024年平均每年都超過60件，有關電動車起火的原因跟主要起火的因素，這些在簡報上面就不再贅述，我們要確保安全的標準，有關電池的狀態，剛才我們看到很多起火的原因，電池起火也是主要原因之一。","歐盟在2022年有新增規定，他們以機械進行物理衝擊來驗證電池的安全性，他們要求撞擊之後，不得起火、不得爆炸、電池要維持在原來安裝的位置、目視檢查電解液是否有洩漏的情形、在高電壓的電池要符合相關防護等級，以及測試環境溫度條件之下，觀察1小時確認電池狀態的穩定性，歐盟對這個要求是很嚴格的，請教一下我們的作法是什麼？我們有沒有參照歐盟的規範？說明一下。"],["陳次長彥伯：我請林司長說明。"],["林司長福山：這個部分跟委員報告一下，目前國內車輛安全檢測基準跟歐盟一樣，是調和聯合國的UN R100導進來實施的。"],["李委員昆澤：那我們有沒有將這種漏液和膨脹的狀況也納入定檢，或是研議裝設感測器？"],["林司長福山：這部分跟委員報告，第一個部分新車完整的法規就誠如剛剛所報告的，使用中定期檢驗的部分，目前部裡面已經在111年把大型客車先納進來，就是定期檢驗的時候要出具電池定期保養表；針對小客車的部分，公路總局跟公會目前在研議當中，未來也會把它納進來。"],["李委員昆澤：相關的安全規格要比照歐盟，針對電動車的安全實施這樣一個督促。在停車場相關的消防設備方面，也希望能夠跟消防署來討論，是不是比照美國的標準來做相關的設施。因為時間的關係，我再跟交通部來做討論，以上，謝謝召委。"],["陳次長彥伯：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝李昆澤委員。","特別跟委員會報告，陳雪生委員質詢完畢，休息10分鐘。","現在請游顥委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":68,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-23-11","speakers":["林國成","葛如鈞","洪孟楷","許智傑","陳素月","蔡其昌","何欣純","林俊憲","張啓楷","廖先翔","李昆澤","游顥","黃健豪","陳雪生","魯明哲","徐富癸","邱若華","葉元之"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-05-12"],"gazette_id":"1144802","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144802_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查(一)委員吳宗憲等17人、(二)委員賴士葆等28人、(三)委員楊瓊瓔等26人分別擬具「人\n工智慧基本法草案」及(四)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「人工智慧發展及管理條例草案」案；二、審查\n( 一) 委員林俊憲等23 人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、\n(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、\n(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委\n員馬文君等19 人、( 七) 委員邱若華等17 人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、\n(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義\n川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十\n二條條文修正草案」案；三、審查 ( 一 ) 委員林俊憲等 22 人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草\n案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團\n擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。【本日會議僅針對開會事由二及三進行合併詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1144802_00001"}}}