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--> 00:01:45,840\n像我們知識委員的這樣的提案而且有關使用原生樹種這也是公路局或者是高工局我們其實整個交通部來講大概都是一個這樣的一個方向在走而且相關的我剛才特別提到不管是公路局或高工局他們大概都有相關的一個規範來規範如何使用這個道路的行道樹\n\n6\n00:01:47,001 --> 00:02:12,933\n我想這不是只是為了保護我們的生態那同時我覺得也是對我們整個這個城市美觀這個綠化的一個很重要的一個因素我們這個有時候開花季節看到這個很漂亮的秋葉原新款生意是不是更好所以我們還是希望這個交通部能夠盡快這個能夠去檢討這樣一個機制那也透過這樣一個修法的程序那我們希望能夠盡快來落實\n\n7\n00:02:15,168 --> 00:02:16,110\n那第二個問題我想\n\n8\n00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:45,386\n人本交通推動的部分我想這是我們大家一起共同努力的一個方向但是遺憾的是根據民意調查人本交通的政策在我們民間的知曉度真的還是很偏低我們好不容易推動的政策只有目前我們掌握到一個狀況是大概不到一成的民眾知道內容甚至高達八成不知道這個內容\n\n9\n00:02:46,704 --> 00:03:00,137\n那所以正是我們交通部在這個媒體宣傳甚至在很多這個偏鄉的這個整開資訊比較不發達的狀況之下我想我們應該要怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個好的一個政策我們有沒有什麼改進的空間\n\n10\n00:03:04,464 --> 00:03:20,775\n跟委員報告我想人本交通可能是對一般民眾來講的確可能是比較少知道這個名字但事實上我們改善行人的安全的空間其實我們的做法我相信民眾應當是了解的\n\n11\n00:03:21,295 --> 00:03:39,813\n那未來我們會跟內政部國土署就針對這個人本交通內涵透過各種場合來加強宣導當然很重要的就是說可以在不同的管道我們可以加強行人安全的改善的一個作為跟政策的一個宣導\n\n12\n00:03:41,395 --> 00:03:58,721\n市長我比較遺憾的看法是這樣子因為我們現在很多鄉鎮都在做人本環境的改善標誌標線畫得很漂亮中間任性也做得很漂亮但是\n\n13\n00:04:00,954 --> 00:04:14,294\n並好像沒有得到太多的掌聲我講的就是這個不只住戶反對甚至連這個路人用路人也搞不清楚要怎麼去使用這樣一個100分的這個人性環境這到底問題出在哪裡\n\n14\n00:04:16,307 --> 00:04:43,272\n我想跟委員報告所有的這個人本的或永續提升行人交通安全的這個方案裡頭其實一個重要的一個環節就是要在地溝通所有的這個因為你不管是縣的也好或區域的改善都是跟在地的民眾會息息相關所以在相關的這個改善的這個規範裡面SOP裡面大概都有一個環節是希望要跟地方溝通\n\n15\n00:04:43,612 --> 00:05:00,858\n還有在地方溝通或者共識下那樣的一個改善才會有成效但是這一點我贊成但是我聽到的我們只是為了否這個公聽會的程序把它跑完至於通知了誰誰沒有通知完全都沒有掌握了所以很多\n\n16\n00:05:01,658 --> 00:05:19,356\n等到做好之後才跑來這個跟我們服務處陳情的也很多啦所以我認為溝通上面真的不能只是做交代一定要落實尤其是他們在那裡住了幾十名人你們都沒有興趣找他們他們當然是怨聲載道嘛這部分真的是要去要求這個部分啦\n\n17\n00:05:20,257 --> 00:05:38,409\n我想我們公路的部分省道的部分公路局局長在這裡我想回去他應該會交代那至於國土署的部分我們也透過這個陸正道案室來做跟國土署進一步的溝通甚至前陣子我在街道恆春一個案件我們把一個人行步道做了一個沒有站到的地方那什麼人在走整個在走真的很離譜啦\n\n18\n00:05:40,998 --> 00:05:55,825\n我不能為了要搭乘績效去做這樣的一個規劃這個真的很離譜啦這個我們來檢討好那另外我想我們這個月5號有修正了一個違反道交條例的一個裁罰基準那調高了\n\n19\n00:05:56,685 --> 00:06:23,764\n罰款部分是一萬八到三萬六那預計六月底要上路但是我們從警政署調閱了相關的資料一百一十二年到一百一十三年我們未停讓行人件數雖然從十四萬降到十一萬但死亡人數從五十四人增加到八十四人受傷人數從四千六百多人提升到五千一百多人那這次提高罰款就可以減輕民眾的傷亡嗎\n\n20\n00:06:28,061 --> 00:06:56,681\n這個部分我跟委員報告一下這次這一個就是說調整這個裁判基準的部分是針對在人行道上面就是已經造成這個行人的這個傷亡的這個部分並沒有去針對一般違規的部分去做這個調整那另外有關於行人的部分的話我印象中這個應該是在這個月的這個記者會大概也就是說一到三月的部分行人已經\n\n21\n00:06:58,753 --> 00:07:23,295\n我們三十死亡行人部分一到二月已經比去年同期有減少我們都支持這樣的一個好的一個修法啦但是就是我講的我認為你們宣傳的力道還是不夠啦尤其針對我們鄉下真的資訊傳達比較慢的地方應該用不一樣的手段啦比方一套標準齁在都會可以進而通整坑齁撒不走啦真的是差很多啦\n\n22\n00:07:24,156 --> 00:07:49,610\n應該用不一樣的策略尤其我之前提過了像我們有關懷據點你們應該結合我們的社會處或是我們在地的警察局去關懷據點到這個東北市都去選團嘛這才是我們的受眾啊我覺得應該是要強化這些的部分啦好謝謝我們也有相關的陸老師也大概有這個我們來看怎麼樣再來進一步的看如何結合啦對啊我是覺得要把你們那個宣傳的那個\n\n23\n00:07:52,576 --> 00:08:17,523\n那我想最後一個問題就是針對我們這個未成年的一個肇事的一個問題那我想過去這個美食問人裡面死傷人數從400多個變600多個成長了4成那所以這個未成年的這個考照的問題還有甚至這個道安獎席跟罰款的問題那我想這部分是不是交通部應該有更精進的一個策略來處理\n\n24\n00:08:20,866 --> 00:08:38,216\n我想有關無照駕駛的部分我們有相關的一個修法來希望能夠來看能不能降低這種無照駕駛的情形當然尤其是未成年的無照駕駛其實它分很多面向一個是社會的面向一個是教育的面向\n\n25\n00:08:39,356 --> 00:09:08,553\n還有家庭所以我原則上我們現在會透過道安委會的年度師導希望教育部有這樣的就能列管相關的這個無照駕駛的這個小朋友然後能夠透過剛才講的那樣的一個幾個環節一起來防範他繼續的無照駕駛我想這個是大概是我們目前正在努力的一個方向但是那有沒有可能才建議是一個考照制度這樣部分來輔導這些年輕人或是怎麼樣做一個合理的管控\n\n26\n00:09:10,965 --> 00:09:11,789\n這是開放\n\n27\n00:09:13,969 --> 00:09:33,023\n比如說我們有可以限制夜間行駛我想委員講的這個漸進式的考上大概就是很多人的建議希望就是有的是直接建議是考上年齡能夠降低有的是希望有所謂的出學者駕照或是在這裡講的學習駕駛證其實我們現在也有那整個來看的話其實這個還要大家再進一步的一個討論剛才其實有委員也指教過\n\n28\n00:09:41,809 --> 00:10:05,259\n那最主要的話我們現在其實尤其是這種無照駕駛大概就是比較喜歡開機車我們其實現在有微型電動二輪車我們的了解也有一些高中的教官或學校也針對這個來鼓勵小朋友能夠來騎乘青年朋友來騎乘這個然後也把他納入管理所以我想可以透過這樣的方式來避免他們繼續採用無照的方式來騎乘機車\n\n29\n00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:27,559\n對啦但是我們還是希望這個未成年人這個事情我們還是要希望能夠嚴格來看待畢竟我們也不希望這個因為過去我們自己有很多的同學就是未成年的時候站得都要弄死真的也是蠻多人所以我們還是期待說這一個政策的部分能夠去跨部會來整合一下看看怎麼樣去防堵這樣一個\n\n30\n00:10:28,596 --> 00:10:43,773\n一個政策要實施其實還有要跟地方政府還有跟教育主管機關大家共同因為那個牽涉到學生的安全事項可能不是一個單一的一個交通的面向可以考慮的要整體還有司法的面向也都要一併納入最後那個\n\n31\n00:10:44,594 --> 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用路人也搞不清楚要怎麼去使用這樣一個100分的這個人性環境這到底問題出在哪裡\n256307\t283272\t我想跟委員報告所有的這個人本的或永續提升行人交通安全的這個方案裡頭其實一個重要的一個環節就是要在地溝通所有的這個因為你不管是縣的也好或區域的改善都是跟在地的民眾會息息相關所以在相關的這個改善的這個規範裡面SOP裡面大概都有一個環節是希望要跟地方溝通\n283612\t300858\t還有在地方溝通或者共識下那樣的一個改善才會有成效但是這一點我贊成但是我聽到的我們只是為了否這個公聽會的程序把它跑完至於通知了誰誰沒有通知完全都沒有掌握了所以很多\n301658\t319356\t等到做好之後才跑來這個跟我們服務處陳情的也很多啦所以我認為溝通上面真的不能只是做交代一定要落實尤其是他們在那裡住了幾十名人你們都沒有興趣找他們他們當然是怨聲載道嘛這部分真的是要去要求這個部分啦\n320257\t338409\t我想我們公路的部分 省道的部分公路局局長在這裡我想回去他應該會交代那至於國土署的部分我們也透過這個陸正道案室來做跟國土署進一步的溝通甚至前陣子我在街道恆春一個案件我們把一個人行步道做了一個沒有站到的地方那什麼人在走 整個在走真的很離譜啦\n340998\t355825\t我不能為了要搭乘績效去做這樣的一個規劃這個真的很離譜啦這個我們來檢討好那另外我想我們這個月5號有修正了一個違反道交條例的一個裁罰基準那調高了\n356685\t383764\t罰款部分是一萬八到三萬六那預計六月底要上路但是我們從警政署調閱了相關的資料一百一十二年到一百一十三年我們未停讓行人件數雖然從十四萬降到十一萬但死亡人數從五十四人增加到八十四人受傷人數從四千六百多人提升到五千一百多人那這次提高罰款就可以減輕民眾的傷亡嗎\n388061\t416681\t這個部分我跟委員報告一下這次這一個就是說調整這個裁判基準的部分是針對在人行道上面就是已經造成這個行人的這個傷亡的這個部分並沒有去針對一般違規的部分去做這個調整那另外有關於行人的部分的話我印象中這個應該是在這個月的這個記者會大概也就是說一到三月的部分行人已經\n418753\t443295\t我們三十死亡行人部分一到二月已經比去年同期有減少我們都支持這樣的一個好的一個修法啦但是就是我講的我認為你們宣傳的力道還是不夠啦尤其針對我們鄉下真的資訊傳達比較慢的地方應該用不一樣的手段啦比方一套標準齁在都會可以進而通整坑齁撒不走啦真的是差很多啦\n444156\t469610\t應該用不一樣的策略 尤其我之前提過了像我們有關懷據點 你們應該結合我們的社會處或是我們在地的警察局去關懷據點 到這個東北市都去選團嘛這才是我們的受眾啊我覺得應該是要強化這些的部分啦好 謝謝 我們也有相關的陸老師也大概有這個 我們來看怎麼樣再來進一步的看如何結合啦對啊 我是覺得要把你們那個宣傳的那個\n472576\t497523\t那我想最後一個問題就是針對我們這個未成年的一個肇事的一個問題那我想過去這個美食問人裡面死傷人數從400多個變600多個成長了4成那所以這個未成年的這個考照的問題還有甚至這個道安獎席跟罰款的問題那我想這部分是不是交通部應該有更精進的一個策略來處理\n500866\t518216\t我想有關無照駕駛的部分我們有相關的一個修法來希望能夠來看能不能降低這種無照駕駛的情形當然尤其是未成年的無照駕駛其實它分很多面向一個是社會的面向一個是教育的面向\n519356\t548553\t還有家庭所以我原則上我們現在會透過道安委會的年度師導希望教育部有這樣的就能列管相關的這個無照駕駛的這個小朋友然後能夠透過剛才講的那樣的一個幾個環節一起來防範他繼續的無照駕駛我想這個是大概是我們目前正在努力的一個方向但是那有沒有可能才建議是一個考照制度這樣部分來輔導這些年輕人或是怎麼樣做一個合理的管控\n550965\t551789\t這是開放\n553969\t573023\t比如說我們有可以限制夜間行駛 我想委員講的這個漸進式的考上大概就是很多人的建議希望就是有的是直接建議是考上年齡能夠降低有的是希望有所謂的出學者駕照或是在這裡講的學習駕駛證其實我們現在也有那整個來看的話其實這個還要大家再進一步的一個討論剛才其實有委員也指教過\n581809\t605259\t那最主要的話我們現在其實尤其是這種無照駕駛大概就是比較喜歡開機車我們其實現在有微型電動二輪車我們的了解也有一些高中的教官或學校也針對這個來鼓勵小朋友能夠來騎乘青年朋友來騎乘這個然後也把他納入管理所以我想可以透過這樣的方式來避免他們繼續採用無照的方式來騎乘機車\n606639\t627559\t對啦 但是我們還是希望這個未成年人這個事情我們還是要希望能夠嚴格來看待畢竟我們也不希望這個因為過去我們自己有很多的同學就是未成年的時候站得都要弄死真的也是蠻多人所以我們還是期待說這一個政策的部分能夠去跨部會來整合一下看看怎麼樣去防堵這樣一個\n628596\t643773\t一個政策要實施其實還有要跟地方政府還有跟教育主管機關大家共同因為那個牽涉到學生的安全事項可能不是一個單一的一個交通的面向可以考慮的要整體還有司法的面向也都要一併納入最後那個\n644594\t663282\t公務局陳局長因為我們明明要實施遊覽車駕駛識別的一個功能設備的一個裝車那這不會因為我們這邊還是有接到一些反彈的意見那甚至認為這個是不是很好的一個政策那這個我們早時間會再請你們來說明一下這個檢討一下這個功能性的必要謝謝謝謝西湖\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請我們政次還有我們公路局陳局長公路局陳局長\n委員好鄧次跟局長午安好我想我們過去我們這個我們許多的公路都有栽種了許多漂亮的樹那每逢這個開花的時候這個每步生長但是我們也發現這個許多樹是遇到這個颱風的時候就這樣支離破碎狀況很嚴重也造成很多的一個交通的問題那所以我想\n本席這次特別提出我們這個公路法第32條一個修正草案那我想我們過去從去年我們有三個颱風侵襲全台分別是凱米、酸土耳跟康納都造成了這個全台2000到3000\n起的一個路數交通的一個問題那除了這個造成路數倒塌之外那更嚴重是阻礙我們的交通那所以我想本席特別提出公路局應該在我們整個公路的系統裡面要重視可以重視水土保持甚至是我們的原生樹種的一個提案那避免這個外來種這個無法抵擋這個風災的侵襲市長交通部會不會支持本席的提案\n像我們知識委員的這樣的提案而且有關使用原生樹種這也是公路局或者是高工局我們其實整個交通部來講大概都是一個這樣的一個方向在走而且相關的我剛才特別提到不管是公路局或高工局他們大概都有相關的一個規範來規範如何使用這個道路的行道樹\n我想這不是只是為了保護我們的生態那同時我覺得也是對我們整個這個城市美觀這個綠化的一個很重要的一個因素我們這個有時候開花季節看到這個很漂亮的秋葉原新款生意是不是更好所以我們還是希望這個交通部能夠盡快這個能夠去檢討這樣一個機制那也透過這樣一個修法的程序那我們希望能夠盡快來落實\n那第二個問題我想\n人本交通推動的部分我想這是我們大家一起共同努力的一個方向但是遺憾的是根據民意調查人本交通的政策在我們民間的知曉度真的還是很偏低我們好不容易推動的政策只有目前我們掌握到一個狀況是大概不到一成的民眾知道內容甚至高達八成不知道這個內容\n那所以正是我們交通部在這個媒體宣傳甚至在很多這個偏鄉的這個整開資訊比較不發達的狀況之下我想我們應該要怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個好的一個政策我們有沒有什麼改進的空間\n跟委員報告我想人本交通可能是對一般民眾來講的確可能是比較少知道這個名字但事實上我們改善行人的安全的空間其實我們的做法我相信民眾應當是了解的\n那未來我們會跟內政部國土署就針對這個人本交通內涵透過各種場合來加強宣導當然很重要的就是說可以在不同的管道我們可以加強行人安全的改善的一個作為跟政策的一個宣導\n市長我比較遺憾的看法是這樣子因為我們現在很多鄉鎮都在做人本環境的改善標誌標線畫得很漂亮中間任性也做得很漂亮但是\n並好像沒有得到太多的掌聲我講的就是這個不只住戶反對甚至連這個路人 用路人也搞不清楚要怎麼去使用這樣一個100分的這個人性環境這到底問題出在哪裡\n我想跟委員報告所有的這個人本的或永續提升行人交通安全的這個方案裡頭其實一個重要的一個環節就是要在地溝通所有的這個因為你不管是縣的也好或區域的改善都是跟在地的民眾會息息相關所以在相關的這個改善的這個規範裡面SOP裡面大概都有一個環節是希望要跟地方溝通\n還有在地方溝通或者共識下那樣的一個改善才會有成效但是這一點我贊成但是我聽到的我們只是為了否這個公聽會的程序把它跑完至於通知了誰誰沒有通知完全都沒有掌握了所以很多\n等到做好之後才跑來這個跟我們服務處陳情的也很多啦所以我認為溝通上面真的不能只是做交代一定要落實尤其是他們在那裡住了幾十名人你們都沒有興趣找他們他們當然是怨聲載道嘛這部分真的是要去要求這個部分啦\n我想我們公路的部分 省道的部分公路局局長在這裡我想回去他應該會交代那至於國土署的部分我們也透過這個陸正道案室來做跟國土署進一步的溝通甚至前陣子我在街道恆春一個案件我們把一個人行步道做了一個沒有站到的地方那什麼人在走 整個在走真的很離譜啦\n我不能為了要搭乘績效去做這樣的一個規劃這個真的很離譜啦這個我們來檢討好那另外我想我們這個月5號有修正了一個違反道交條例的一個裁罰基準那調高了\n罰款部分是一萬八到三萬六那預計六月底要上路但是我們從警政署調閱了相關的資料一百一十二年到一百一十三年我們未停讓行人件數雖然從十四萬降到十一萬但死亡人數從五十四人增加到八十四人受傷人數從四千六百多人提升到五千一百多人那這次提高罰款就可以減輕民眾的傷亡嗎\n這個部分我跟委員報告一下這次這一個就是說調整這個裁判基準的部分是針對在人行道上面就是已經造成這個行人的這個傷亡的這個部分並沒有去針對一般違規的部分去做這個調整那另外有關於行人的部分的話我印象中這個應該是在這個月的這個記者會大概也就是說一到三月的部分行人已經\n我們三十死亡行人部分一到二月已經比去年同期有減少我們都支持這樣的一個好的一個修法啦但是就是我講的我認為你們宣傳的力道還是不夠啦尤其針對我們鄉下真的資訊傳達比較慢的地方應該用不一樣的手段啦比方一套標準齁在都會可以進而通整坑齁撒不走啦真的是差很多啦\n應該用不一樣的策略 尤其我之前提過了像我們有關懷據點 你們應該結合我們的社會處或是我們在地的警察局去關懷據點 到這個東北市都去選團嘛這才是我們的受眾啊我覺得應該是要強化這些的部分啦好 謝謝 我們也有相關的陸老師也大概有這個 我們來看怎麼樣再來進一步的看如何結合啦對啊 我是覺得要把你們那個宣傳的那個\n那我想最後一個問題就是針對我們這個未成年的一個肇事的一個問題那我想過去這個美食問人裡面死傷人數從400多個變600多個成長了4成那所以這個未成年的這個考照的問題還有甚至這個道安獎席跟罰款的問題那我想這部分是不是交通部應該有更精進的一個策略來處理\n我想有關無照駕駛的部分我們有相關的一個修法來希望能夠來看能不能降低這種無照駕駛的情形當然尤其是未成年的無照駕駛其實它分很多面向一個是社會的面向一個是教育的面向\n還有家庭所以我原則上我們現在會透過道安委會的年度師導希望教育部有這樣的就能列管相關的這個無照駕駛的這個小朋友然後能夠透過剛才講的那樣的一個幾個環節一起來防範他繼續的無照駕駛我想這個是大概是我們目前正在努力的一個方向但是那有沒有可能才建議是一個考照制度這樣部分來輔導這些年輕人或是怎麼樣做一個合理的管控\n這是開放\n比如說我們有可以限制夜間行駛 我想委員講的這個漸進式的考上大概就是很多人的建議希望就是有的是直接建議是考上年齡能夠降低有的是希望有所謂的出學者駕照或是在這裡講的學習駕駛證其實我們現在也有那整個來看的話其實這個還要大家再進一步的一個討論剛才其實有委員也指教過\n那最主要的話我們現在其實尤其是這種無照駕駛大概就是比較喜歡開機車我們其實現在有微型電動二輪車我們的了解也有一些高中的教官或學校也針對這個來鼓勵小朋友能夠來騎乘青年朋友來騎乘這個然後也把他納入管理所以我想可以透過這樣的方式來避免他們繼續採用無照的方式來騎乘機車\n對啦 但是我們還是希望這個未成年人這個事情我們還是要希望能夠嚴格來看待畢竟我們也不希望這個因為過去我們自己有很多的同學就是未成年的時候站得都要弄死真的也是蠻多人所以我們還是期待說這一個政策的部分能夠去跨部會來整合一下看看怎麼樣去防堵這樣一個\n一個政策要實施其實還有要跟地方政府還有跟教育主管機關大家共同因為那個牽涉到學生的安全事項可能不是一個單一的一個交通的面向可以考慮的要整體還有司法的面向也都要一併納入最後那個\n公務局陳局長因為我們明明要實施遊覽車駕駛識別的一個功能設備的一個裝車那這不會因為我們這邊還是有接到一些反彈的意見那甚至認為這個是不是很好的一個政策那這個我們早時間會再請你們來說明一下這個檢討一下這個功能性的必要謝謝謝謝西湖\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.916 --> 00:08.280\n謝謝主席,有請我們政次還有我們公路局陳局長公路局陳局長\n\n00:12.404 --> 00:38.369\n委員好鄧次跟局長午安好我想我們過去我們這個我們許多的公路都有栽種了許多漂亮的樹那每逢這個開花的時候這個每步生長但是我們也發現這個許多樹是遇到這個颱風的時候就這樣支離破碎狀況很嚴重也造成很多的一個交通的問題那所以我想\n\n00:39.929 --> 00:53.893\n本席這次特別提出我們這個公路法第32條一個修正草案那我想我們過去從去年我們有三個颱風侵襲全台分別是凱米、酸土耳跟康納都造成了這個全台2000到3000\n\n00:56.014 --> 01:22.342\n起的一個路數交通的一個問題那除了這個造成路數倒塌之外那更嚴重是阻礙我們的交通那所以我想本席特別提出公路局應該在我們整個公路的系統裡面要重視可以重視水土保持甚至是我們的原生樹種的一個提案那避免這個外來種這個無法抵擋這個風災的侵襲市長交通部會不會支持本席的提案\n\n01:23.925 --> 01:45.840\n像我們知識委員的這樣的提案而且有關使用原生樹種這也是公路局或者是高工局我們其實整個交通部來講大概都是一個這樣的一個方向在走而且相關的我剛才特別提到不管是公路局或高工局他們大概都有相關的一個規範來規範如何使用這個道路的行道樹\n\n01:47.001 --> 02:12.933\n我想這不是只是為了保護我們的生態那同時我覺得也是對我們整個這個城市美觀這個綠化的一個很重要的一個因素我們這個有時候開花季節看到這個很漂亮的秋葉原新款生意是不是更好所以我們還是希望這個交通部能夠盡快這個能夠去檢討這樣一個機制那也透過這樣一個修法的程序那我們希望能夠盡快來落實\n\n02:15.168 --> 02:16.110\n那第二個問題我想\n\n02:17.970 --> 02:45.386\n人本交通推動的部分我想這是我們大家一起共同努力的一個方向但是遺憾的是根據民意調查人本交通的政策在我們民間的知曉度真的還是很偏低我們好不容易推動的政策只有目前我們掌握到一個狀況是大概不到一成的民眾知道內容甚至高達八成不知道這個內容\n\n02:46.704 --> 03:00.137\n那所以正是我們交通部在這個媒體宣傳甚至在很多這個偏鄉的這個整開資訊比較不發達的狀況之下我想我們應該要怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個好的一個政策我們有沒有什麼改進的空間\n\n03:04.464 --> 03:20.775\n跟委員報告我想人本交通可能是對一般民眾來講的確可能是比較少知道這個名字但事實上我們改善行人的安全的空間其實我們的做法我相信民眾應當是了解的\n\n03:21.295 --> 03:39.813\n那未來我們會跟內政部國土署就針對這個人本交通內涵透過各種場合來加強宣導當然很重要的就是說可以在不同的管道我們可以加強行人安全的改善的一個作為跟政策的一個宣導\n\n03:41.395 --> 03:58.721\n市長我比較遺憾的看法是這樣子因為我們現在很多鄉鎮都在做人本環境的改善標誌標線畫得很漂亮中間任性也做得很漂亮但是\n\n04:00.954 --> 04:14.294\n並好像沒有得到太多的掌聲我講的就是這個不只住戶反對甚至連這個路人用路人也搞不清楚要怎麼去使用這樣一個100分的這個人性環境這到底問題出在哪裡\n\n04:16.307 --> 04:43.272\n我想跟委員報告所有的這個人本的或永續提升行人交通安全的這個方案裡頭其實一個重要的一個環節就是要在地溝通所有的這個因為你不管是縣的也好或區域的改善都是跟在地的民眾會息息相關所以在相關的這個改善的這個規範裡面SOP裡面大概都有一個環節是希望要跟地方溝通\n\n04:43.612 --> 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07:49.610\n應該用不一樣的策略尤其我之前提過了像我們有關懷據點你們應該結合我們的社會處或是我們在地的警察局去關懷據點到這個東北市都去選團嘛這才是我們的受眾啊我覺得應該是要強化這些的部分啦好謝謝我們也有相關的陸老師也大概有這個我們來看怎麼樣再來進一步的看如何結合啦對啊我是覺得要把你們那個宣傳的那個\n\n07:52.576 --> 08:17.523\n那我想最後一個問題就是針對我們這個未成年的一個肇事的一個問題那我想過去這個美食問人裡面死傷人數從400多個變600多個成長了4成那所以這個未成年的這個考照的問題還有甚至這個道安獎席跟罰款的問題那我想這部分是不是交通部應該有更精進的一個策略來處理\n\n08:20.866 --> 08:38.216\n我想有關無照駕駛的部分我們有相關的一個修法來希望能夠來看能不能降低這種無照駕駛的情形當然尤其是未成年的無照駕駛其實它分很多面向一個是社會的面向一個是教育的面向\n\n08:39.356 --> 09:08.553\n還有家庭所以我原則上我們現在會透過道安委會的年度師導希望教育部有這樣的就能列管相關的這個無照駕駛的這個小朋友然後能夠透過剛才講的那樣的一個幾個環節一起來防範他繼續的無照駕駛我想這個是大概是我們目前正在努力的一個方向但是那有沒有可能才建議是一個考照制度這樣部分來輔導這些年輕人或是怎麼樣做一個合理的管控\n\n09:10.965 --> 09:11.789\n這是開放\n\n09:13.969 --> 09:33.023\n比如說我們有可以限制夜間行駛我想委員講的這個漸進式的考上大概就是很多人的建議希望就是有的是直接建議是考上年齡能夠降低有的是希望有所謂的出學者駕照或是在這裡講的學習駕駛證其實我們現在也有那整個來看的話其實這個還要大家再進一步的一個討論剛才其實有委員也指教過\n\n09:41.809 --> 10:05.259\n那最主要的話我們現在其實尤其是這種無照駕駛大概就是比較喜歡開機車我們其實現在有微型電動二輪車我們的了解也有一些高中的教官或學校也針對這個來鼓勵小朋友能夠來騎乘青年朋友來騎乘這個然後也把他納入管理所以我想可以透過這樣的方式來避免他們繼續採用無照的方式來騎乘機車\n\n10:06.639 --> 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一) 委員林俊憲等23 人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、\n(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、\n(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委\n員馬文君等19 人、( 七) 委員邱若華等17 人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、\n(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義\n川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十\n二條條文修正草案」案；三、審查 ( 一 ) 委員林俊憲等 22 人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草\n案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團\n擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。【本日會議僅針對開會事由二及三進行合併詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1144802_00001"}}}