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00:02:28,070\n謝謝委員都強化我們這個登錄系統的那個建置跟那個效率特別您提到這個防災機制那我們預祝更多的這個我想解凍之後預祝更多的經費可以強化這個機制另外就是上網去登錄的人也越來越增加大概人數有增加多少\n\n8\n00:02:28,870 --> 00:02:54,468\n我們今年而言就比去年又增加了2.4倍我們也不斷的利用各種機會去做宣導加上中國大陸對台灣這個人身安全風險一直提高我們國人也有這個警覺意識要去登陸那我們也不放棄任何的對外這個宣導的場合去強調那所以這個登陸的這種情形有明顯的成長\n\n9\n00:02:55,188 --> 00:03:16,681\n好當然因為過去的登錄的數字是偏低那我很開心聽到現在的登錄的比例有稍微增高可是本席這邊想要跟主委討論我私下有聽到旅行業者來跟本席透露也反映他們的心聲因為大家都知道現在台灣是有禁團令的一個想法所以基本上\n\n10\n00:03:17,721 --> 00:03:32,600\n就旅行業跟一般民眾的想法是覺得說好像不能組團到大陸去可是現在陸委會為了提高一些比如說我們的動態系統的登錄反而請這個旅行業要協助來請這些民眾或是代委來登錄這樣的問題\n\n11\n00:03:33,982 --> 00:03:57,827\n那所以這些旅行業者覺得他覺得腦袋很混亂的我又沒有要我又不準備帶團到大陸去旅遊那你怎麼又要叫我協助旅客來登錄這樣的登錄系統這樣會不會讓他們覺得腦袋很混亂是不是可以請所以他們有跟我反映會不會讓我覺得說有點政策前後不一然後導致政策混亂的一些問題謝謝委員指教吉哥\n\n12\n00:03:59,088 --> 00:04:14,342\n第一個重點是說我們並沒有您所說的完全禁團令剛剛您提到的我們一年還有去中國大陸去年一年277萬對岸的來我們這裡只有34萬其中11.6萬人還是從第三地來的就剛剛委員講的數字是對的\n\n13\n00:04:24,811 --> 00:04:47,158\n將近30萬而已在這種情況底下人數如此的少是誰在阻礙兩岸的交流第二個我們這個動態登錄系統基本上是呼籲還有組團附入的這些旅行社應該告知他所屬的這些團員為了自己安全多一份登錄就多一份安全\n\n14\n00:04:48,078 --> 00:05:01,953\n那希望呢他們協助這個當事人來鼓勵他們登錄但是是鼓勵性質並沒有強制我們其實目前為止都是鼓勵的所以等一下還要問主委先問一個比較重要的問題就是說\n\n15\n00:05:04,096 --> 00:05:20,138\n賴清德總統即將520就職滿一週年那大家都可以看到過去的新聞不管中國發動文攻武嚇或策動台灣藝人轉發統一的貼文引發外界關注那我相信在之前也有相關的這個新聞等等出現\n\n16\n00:05:20,999 --> 00:05:43,809\n那陸委會宣稱在這些這個中國發展矮化台灣的言論的藝人要依法查處這我們都同意可是現在還沒有看到具體的任何的案例跟懲處的成效我可以請教主委那是不是到底有沒有相關的法律的依據或執行力來介入這些這樣子的行為還有說你們是不是說有明確\n\n17\n00:05:44,929 --> 00:06:10,198\n明確的到底要怎麼樣的處罰怎麼樣的言論要多少怎麼樣的處罰是不是可以在這邊統一來跟這個讓民眾來知道也讓大家知道怎麼樣可以處罰我們都支持陸委會的行為好不好請主委謝謝張委員給我們這次機會說明對於我們附路發展的藝人由於在中國大陸被可能疑似被強制的政治表態\n\n18\n00:06:11,098 --> 00:06:15,908\n那對於這種情形我們從歷次都可以發現在特定時刻\n\n19\n00:06:16,823 --> 00:06:45,694\n他們都勇於政治表態那有些呢到底是不是經紀公司的問題還是當事人的問題但是都在特定時刻那配合中國大陸矮化或是傷害我們國家主權甚至呼應對岸這個軍演台灣轉貼圖文這個對於我們的民進世紀的打擊啊固然有但是其實我們全體國人是對這個是相當反感也有很多檢舉案所以我們跟\n\n20\n00:06:46,755 --> 00:07:02,989\n文化部有一個行政查處的小組最近也會準備好之後就可能會鎖定一些目標進行查處那這個部分一定會落實大概整個時間大概會多久因為過去已經有這個案子跟檢舉案了\n\n21\n00:07:04,170 --> 00:07:20,577\n那我們都做好了各種的行政修正準備然後最主要是說他是依照兩樣條例你有沒有跟中國大陸的黨政軍包括官媒有任何的合作行為那這個可能就涉及到我們剛剛說的\n\n22\n00:07:21,457 --> 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謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員 大家早有請邱垂政 陸委會邱垂政主委 謝謝好 請邱主委\n主委早 首先要給我們今天所有來報告 尤其陸委會一些肯定那非常感謝其實本席針對陸委會的部分常常請教陸委會主委就是希望說現在台灣人到大陸觀光旅遊的人次一年大概是280萬人左右\n路方來台灣的大概每年大概二十幾萬人所以比例相當不對稱那我們希望說台灣人去大陸觀光旅遊或是洽工可以得到一個完整的保護機制那我們也知道說現在陸委會有推出一個赴陸港澳動態登陸系統\n的一個系統那可是在去年12月4號的時候我就本席就有質詢有請這個主委來解釋說為什麼我們現在的附入港澳系統他的防呆機制還沒有完全解決就是說他在登錄裡面的資料的時候發現說沒有一個防呆機制輸入任何的資料\n都可以來輸入都可以key in進去所以我們很擔心這個登錄系統是不是有誤而且他的防呆機制不完備那過去我們也跟主委討論過用這個登錄系統真的入委會可以來協助的民眾的數量好像不是那麼多所以第一個我們想要請主委我們其實這是本黨團針對很多的凍結案第一個我們所有都解凍案我們都沒有提出復議我覺得這是一個非常\n理性而且是對各個單位是一個很好的一件事情所以是不是可以請教一下我們這個赴陸港澳的動態登陸系統到底現在的整個成效如何防災機制是否可以如期完成能真正能達到它的功效\n謝謝委員 都強化我們這個登錄系統的那個建置跟那個效率特別您提到這個防災機制那我們預祝更多的這個我想解凍之後 預祝更多的經費可以強化這個機制另外就是上網去登錄的人也越來越增加大概人數有增加多少\n我們今年而言就比去年又增加了2.4倍我們也不斷的利用各種機會去做宣導加上中國大陸對台灣這個人身安全風險一直提高我們國人也有這個警覺意識要去登陸那我們也不放棄任何的對外這個宣導的場合去強調那所以這個登陸的這種情形有明顯的成長\n好當然因為過去的登錄的數字是偏低那我很開心聽到現在的登錄的比例有稍微增高可是本席這邊想要跟主委討論我私下有聽到旅行業者來跟本席透露也反映他們的心聲因為大家都知道現在台灣是有禁團令的一個想法所以基本上\n就旅行業跟一般民眾的想法是覺得說好像不能組團到大陸去可是現在陸委會為了提高一些比如說我們的動態系統的登錄反而請這個旅行業要協助來請這些民眾或是代委來登錄這樣的問題\n那所以這些旅行業者覺得他覺得腦袋很混亂的我又沒有要我又不準備帶團到大陸去旅遊那你怎麼又要叫我協助旅客來登錄這樣的登錄系統這樣會不會讓他們覺得腦袋很混亂是不是可以請所以他們有跟我反映會不會讓我覺得說有點政策前後不一然後導致政策混亂的一些問題謝謝委員指教吉哥\n第一個重點是說我們並沒有您所說的完全禁團令剛剛您提到的我們一年還有去中國大陸去年一年277萬對岸的來我們這裡只有34萬其中11.6萬人還是從第三地來的就剛剛委員講的數字是對的\n將近30萬而已在這種情況底下人數如此的少是誰在阻礙兩岸的交流第二個我們這個動態登錄系統基本上是呼籲還有組團附入的這些旅行社應該告知他所屬的這些團員為了自己安全多一份登錄就多一份安全\n那希望呢他們協助這個當事人來鼓勵他們登錄但是是鼓勵性質並沒有強制我們其實目前為止都是鼓勵的所以等一下還要問主委先問一個比較重要的問題就是說\n賴清德總統即將520就職滿一週年那大家都可以看到過去的新聞不管中國發動文攻武嚇或策動台灣藝人轉發統一的貼文引發外界關注那我相信在之前也有相關的這個新聞等等出現\n那陸委會宣稱在這些這個中國發展矮化台灣的言論的藝人要依法查處這我們都同意可是現在還沒有看到具體的任何的案例跟懲處的成效我可以請教主委那是不是到底有沒有相關的法律的依據或執行力來介入這些這樣子的行為還有說你們是不是說有明確\n明確的到底要怎麼樣的處罰怎麼樣的言論要多少怎麼樣的處罰是不是可以在這邊統一來跟這個讓民眾來知道也讓大家知道怎麼樣可以處罰我們都支持陸委會的行為好不好請主委謝謝張委員給我們這次機會說明對於我們附路發展的藝人由於在中國大陸被可能疑似被強制的政治表態\n那對於這種情形我們從歷次都可以發現在特定時刻\n他們都勇於政治表態那有些呢到底是不是經紀公司的問題還是當事人的問題但是都在特定時刻那配合中國大陸矮化或是傷害我們國家主權甚至呼應對岸這個軍演台灣轉貼圖文這個對於我們的民進世紀的打擊啊固然有但是其實我們全體國人是對這個是相當反感也有很多檢舉案所以我們跟\n文化部有一個行政查處的小組最近也會準備好之後就可能會鎖定一些目標進行查處那這個部分一定會落實大概整個時間大概會多久因為過去已經有這個案子跟檢舉案了\n那我們都做好了各種的行政修正準備然後最主要是說他是依照兩樣條例你有沒有跟中國大陸的黨政軍包括官媒有任何的合作行為那這個可能就涉及到我們剛剛說的\n兩條例33條之一那當然我們也了解有些藝人在中國大陸發展真是蠻困難的他被迫要去有一些政治方面的被他們中國大陸政府要求要強制政治表態如果他真的有這些問題的話我們文化部也提供了很多計畫來輔導他們回到台灣來發展\n畢竟台灣的這個創作自由的空間是遠遠比大陸更優越那麼我們有一些輔助藝人的這些計畫可以落實所以我們會趁著這一次行政查處的作業了解他是不是有涉及違法大概會多久一個月內會出來嗎這幾個禮拜應該會很快520之前會出來嗎\n因為我有點快到了不敢在這邊跟委員承諾因為涉及到主管機關文化部不過我們已經討論很久了應該要開始行動了我們會努力\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.289 --> 00:08.905\n好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱垂政陸委會邱垂政主委謝謝好請邱主委\n\n00:14.198 --> 00:34.187\n主委早首先要給我們今天所有來報告尤其陸委會一些肯定那非常感謝其實本席針對陸委會的部分常常請教陸委會主委就是希望說現在台灣人到大陸觀光旅遊的人次一年大概是280萬人左右\n\n00:37.108 --> 00:54.447\n路方來台灣的大概每年大概二十幾萬人所以比例相當不對稱那我們希望說台灣人去大陸觀光旅遊或是洽工可以得到一個完整的保護機制那我們也知道說現在陸委會有推出一個赴陸港澳動態登陸系統\n\n00:57.290 --> 01:16.987\n的一個系統那可是在去年12月4號的時候我就本席就有質詢有請這個主委來解釋說為什麼我們現在的附入港澳系統他的防呆機制還沒有完全解決就是說他在登錄裡面的資料的時候發現說沒有一個防呆機制輸入任何的資料\n\n01:17.748 --> 01:45.903\n都可以來輸入都可以keyin進去所以我們很擔心這個登錄系統是不是有誤而且他的防呆機制不完備那過去我們也跟主委討論過用這個登錄系統真的入委會可以來協助的民眾的數量好像不是那麼多所以第一個我們想要請主委我們其實這是本黨團針對很多的凍結案第一個我們所有都解凍案我們都沒有提出復議我覺得這是一個非常\n\n01:46.383 --> 02:04.671\n理性而且是對各個單位是一個很好的一件事情所以是不是可以請教一下我們這個赴陸港澳的動態登陸系統到底現在的整個成效如何防災機制是否可以如期完成能真正能達到它的功效\n\n02:05.491 --> 02:28.070\n謝謝委員都強化我們這個登錄系統的那個建置跟那個效率特別您提到這個防災機制那我們預祝更多的這個我想解凍之後預祝更多的經費可以強化這個機制另外就是上網去登錄的人也越來越增加大概人數有增加多少\n\n02:28.870 --> 02:54.468\n我們今年而言就比去年又增加了2.4倍我們也不斷的利用各種機會去做宣導加上中國大陸對台灣這個人身安全風險一直提高我們國人也有這個警覺意識要去登陸那我們也不放棄任何的對外這個宣導的場合去強調那所以這個登陸的這種情形有明顯的成長\n\n02:55.188 --> 03:16.681\n好當然因為過去的登錄的數字是偏低那我很開心聽到現在的登錄的比例有稍微增高可是本席這邊想要跟主委討論我私下有聽到旅行業者來跟本席透露也反映他們的心聲因為大家都知道現在台灣是有禁團令的一個想法所以基本上\n\n03:17.721 --> 03:32.600\n就旅行業跟一般民眾的想法是覺得說好像不能組團到大陸去可是現在陸委會為了提高一些比如說我們的動態系統的登錄反而請這個旅行業要協助來請這些民眾或是代委來登錄這樣的問題\n\n03:33.982 --> 03:57.827\n那所以這些旅行業者覺得他覺得腦袋很混亂的我又沒有要我又不準備帶團到大陸去旅遊那你怎麼又要叫我協助旅客來登錄這樣的登錄系統這樣會不會讓他們覺得腦袋很混亂是不是可以請所以他們有跟我反映會不會讓我覺得說有點政策前後不一然後導致政策混亂的一些問題謝謝委員指教吉哥\n\n03:59.088 --> 04:14.342\n第一個重點是說我們並沒有您所說的完全禁團令剛剛您提到的我們一年還有去中國大陸去年一年277萬對岸的來我們這裡只有34萬其中11.6萬人還是從第三地來的就剛剛委員講的數字是對的\n\n04:24.811 --> 04:47.158\n將近30萬而已在這種情況底下人數如此的少是誰在阻礙兩岸的交流第二個我們這個動態登錄系統基本上是呼籲還有組團附入的這些旅行社應該告知他所屬的這些團員為了自己安全多一份登錄就多一份安全\n\n04:48.078 --> 05:01.953\n那希望呢他們協助這個當事人來鼓勵他們登錄但是是鼓勵性質並沒有強制我們其實目前為止都是鼓勵的所以等一下還要問主委先問一個比較重要的問題就是說\n\n05:04.096 --> 05:20.138\n賴清德總統即將520就職滿一週年那大家都可以看到過去的新聞不管中國發動文攻武嚇或策動台灣藝人轉發統一的貼文引發外界關注那我相信在之前也有相關的這個新聞等等出現\n\n05:20.999 --> 05:43.809\n那陸委會宣稱在這些這個中國發展矮化台灣的言論的藝人要依法查處這我們都同意可是現在還沒有看到具體的任何的案例跟懲處的成效我可以請教主委那是不是到底有沒有相關的法律的依據或執行力來介入這些這樣子的行為還有說你們是不是說有明確\n\n05:44.929 --> 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