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00:02:26,228\n可以使用甚至加班費等等是可以使用的如果今天可以解凍順利的話但是刪掉的還是救不回來主委是吧刪除的部分我們能救的挪一挪以後就是有這麼多的缺口那其實是不止這一個部分第二個統三的部分國外旅費還有國內旅費還有出國教育訓練費用\n\n8\n00:02:27,849 --> 00:02:43,738\n這個也是在委員會裡面非常熱烈討論的還是被捅刪了所以對於解凍還是會影響到我們的國際交流派員赴美訓練還有相關的這些工程建設的進度\n\n9\n00:02:45,884 --> 00:03:10,236\n這個部分不能留用的項目比較多因此我們遇到的困難也比較大那譬如說國外的授訓旅費等等的話我們確實是必須要縮小規模那以國內旅費來講的話譬如我們海巡署其實已經重大的影響到因為我們海巡署是這樣就是說所有的分署還有所有的安檢等等單位是遍佈在全國\n\n10\n00:03:11,276 --> 00:03:30,237\n數百個單位那他們常常必須要國內的旅費他們來開會等等那因為這個經費被刪除的結果我們沒有辦法補那因此整個海巡署他今年公出或者是出公差他的善雜費全部歸零他還包含很多還包含公殺\n\n11\n00:03:32,279 --> 00:03:59,852\n包含在東沙如果要回來那要搭飛機的話就會受影響那如果要排成船班或者是要拜託國防部的話就會遇到一些影響所以希望今天的解凍的部分是可以順利我們至少可以救回來至少到七八月以後這個部分因為現在已經五月了嘛我們到八月份很多就真的\n\n12\n00:03:59,872 --> 00:04:19,370\n就是沒有辦法像八月份的話會本部我們的執行率就要高達99.76那以海保的話就會高達99.87那國海院也會高達96.71%那就算是海巡也是將近95%的執行率所以八月以後我們幾乎會無以為繼\n\n13\n00:04:20,171 --> 00:04:46,390\n好謝謝主委那我最後算一個簡單的數學行政院提出4100億的國土安全任性計畫裡面包含1500億強化國土安全任性預算裡面有包含周邊海域監測有包含立體徵收有包含海岸監偵還有包含規劃新型的巡防艦艇\n\n14\n00:04:47,981 --> 00:05:02,357\n但是這裡有1500億那另外還有針對台電的撥補提出1000億那另外還有相關的一些照護民生以及就業安定930億以及1600億這樣加起來是4100億\n\n15\n00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:24,582\n在野黨提出來2300億普發現金之外那目前的4100億很明顯的就是超過了那我們希望我們可以來支持由行政院來提出來的這些方案包含國土安全任性謝謝主委你請回\n\n16\n00:05:26,223 --> 00:05:44,845\n主委讓你簡單回應一下我跟委員報告我真的是非常非常希望國土任性屬於海選署的這個部分可以被支持為什麼呢因為它將是劃時代的里程碑跟委員報告的話我從就任2023年開始的時候就認為說我們要海空一體\n\n17\n00:05:45,425 --> 00:06:12,182\n我們空中的能量是幾乎是沒有辦法達成我們應有的任務讓我們水下或者是水面我們也都還不夠我們夜間也都還不夠所以這筆錢如果能夠挹注於海巡署的話海巡署將是一個莫大的蛻變它將會是真正的海空一體立體的能力會建構它將是24小時的能量可以完整的補充起來\n\n18\n00:06:12,962 --> 00:06:36,344\n而如果說明年開始我們要用新的財化法這麼重要的一個歷史性的經費我們不知道說用新的財化法下去的話中央的預算能不能挹注海巡署這麼重大的轉型所以這一筆預算如果能夠挹注海巡署至少我們前三年的預算可以確保的話這個重要的歷史的里程碑就可以往前走\n\n19\n00:06:36,964 --> 00:06:45,769\n謝謝主委海巡等同國防我希望我們在這4100億裡面等於加強我們的國防真的非常急迫性的需要再請客委會主委謝謝好請谷主委\n\n20\n00:06:57,221 --> 00:06:59,304\n主席抱歉我再多一分鐘的時間來釐清為什麼我們用內政委員會為主題那今天來到這邊\n\n21\n00:07:07,745 --> 00:07:25,346\n我的印象中在去年審議預算的時候內政委員會並沒有刪除那麼多客委會的預算有凍結四億但是在院會裡面還是被刪除了一億九千萬的預算\n\n22\n00:07:26,607 --> 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主委\n65732\t86412\t各位委員報告因為我們還有其他被刪減的部分我們真的是在刀口上的錢所以我們要想辦法把它們補足所以在可以留用而被刪減但是又非常有高度急迫性的部分我們給予它補足了以後\n86892\t97883\t到最後我們總共處理的結果就是有這兩艘艦艇年底的時候我們確實是會延遲交貨所以我要在這邊很嚴正的\n99542\t120709\t曾經刪減過這些預算的藍白委員說今天的解凍希望可以順利解凍的順利其實可以讓我們所有的海巡人員包含油料包含所有的這些包含岸上的這些基地等等的可以有充分的包含水電物資\n121809\t146228\t可以使用甚至加班費等等是可以使用的如果今天可以解凍順利的話但是刪掉的還是救不回來主委是吧刪除的部分我們能救的挪一挪以後就是有這麼多的缺口那其實是不止這一個部分第二個統三的部分國外旅費還有國內旅費還有出國教育訓練費用\n147849\t163738\t這個也是在委員會裡面非常熱烈討論的還是被捅刪了所以對於解凍還是會影響到我們的國際交流派員赴美訓練還有相關的這些工程建設的進度\n165884\t190236\t這個部分不能留用的項目比較多因此我們遇到的困難也比較大那譬如說國外的授訓旅費等等的話我們確實是必須要縮小規模那以國內旅費來講的話譬如我們海巡署其實已經重大的影響到因為我們海巡署是這樣就是說所有的分署還有所有的安檢等等單位是遍佈在全國\n191276\t210237\t數百個單位那他們常常必須要國內的旅費他們來開會等等那因為這個經費被刪除的結果我們沒有辦法補那因此整個海巡署他今年公出或者是出公差他的善雜費全部歸零他還包含很多還包含公殺\n212279\t239852\t包含在東沙如果要回來那要搭飛機的話就會受影響那如果要排成船班或者是要拜託國防部的話就會遇到一些影響所以希望今天的解凍的部分是可以順利我們至少可以救回來至少到七八月以後這個部分因為現在已經五月了嘛我們到八月份很多就真的\n239872\t259370\t就是沒有辦法像八月份的話會本部我們的執行率就要高達99.76那以海保的話就會高達99.87那國海院也會高達96.71%那就算是海巡也是將近95%的執行率所以八月以後我們幾乎會無以為繼\n260171\t286390\t好 謝謝主委 那我最後算一個簡單的數學行政院提出4100億的國土安全任性計畫裡面包含1500億強化國土安全任性預算裡面有包含周邊海域監測有包含立體徵收 有包含海岸監偵還有包含規劃新型的巡防艦艇\n287981\t302357\t但是這裡有1500億那另外還有針對台電的撥補提出1000億那另外還有相關的一些照護民生以及就業安定930億以及1600億這樣加起來是4100億\n307290\t324582\t在野黨提出來2300億普發現金之外那目前的4100億很明顯的就是超過了那我們希望我們可以來支持由行政院來提出來的這些方案包含國土安全任性謝謝主委你請回\n326223\t344845\t主委讓你簡單回應一下我跟委員報告我真的是非常非常希望國土任性屬於海選署的這個部分可以被支持為什麼呢因為它將是劃時代的里程碑跟委員報告的話我從就任2023年開始的時候就認為說我們要海空一體\n345425\t372182\t我們空中的能量是幾乎是沒有辦法達成我們應有的任務讓我們水下或者是水面我們也都還不夠我們夜間也都還不夠所以這筆錢如果能夠挹注於海巡署的話海巡署將是一個莫大的蛻變它將會是真正的海空一體立體的能力會建構它將是24小時的能量可以完整的補充起來\n372962\t396344\t而如果說明年開始我們要用新的財化法這麼重要的一個歷史性的經費我們不知道說用新的財化法下去的話中央的預算能不能挹注海巡署這麼重大的轉型所以這一筆預算如果能夠挹注海巡署至少我們前三年的預算可以確保的話這個重要的歷史的里程碑就可以往前走\n396964\t405769\t謝謝主委 海巡等同國防我希望我們在這4100億裡面等於加強我們的國防真的非常急迫性的需要再請客委會主委 謝謝好 請谷主委\n417221\t419304\t主席抱歉我再多一分鐘的時間來釐清為什麼我們用內政委員會為主題那今天來到這邊\n427745\t445346\t我的印象中在去年審議預算的時候內政委員會並沒有刪除那麼多客委會的預算有凍結四億但是在院會裡面還是被刪除了一億九千萬的預算\n446607\t457591\t在院會裡面突然跳過委員會把委員會討論的東西全部跳過直接在院會提出二三讀要刪除課委會預算所以身為內政委員會\n460936\t480947\t不只客家委員他要提出說他在內政委員會並沒有刪除客家委員會的預算沒有凍結客家委員會的預算但是我要強調的這一些客家籍的委員還是在院會投票的時候投出刪除客委會的預算\n482168\t509014\t包含傅坤祺、林思明、徐欣盈、徐巧欣還是在二三讀的時候大砍課委會預算還是在二三讀的時候凍結課委會預算所以今天我們回到我們委員會希望可以順利凍結主委希望你全力捍衛課委會預算是也謝謝委員以及內委會的委員全力來支持那希望今天的解凍案能夠順利來請委員支持謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝 先有請海委會主委好 請管主委主委謝謝那今天內政委員會特別到這個大會議室來做這些預算的煽動應該是解凍的這些會議的討論那我想要強調一件事情\n就是主委在4月17號的時候在質詢台上在內政委員會的質詢台上那有表示因為我們在去年做的這些決議裡面刪減預算的部分不得留用那所以今天就算解凍\n希望可以順利解凍11億 海委會的預算裡面但是被刪掉10億不得流用的部分600噸的蘭嶼艦跟1000噸的花蓮艦是不是還是沒辦法交船 主委\n各位委員報告因為我們還有其他被刪減的部分我們真的是在刀口上的錢所以我們要想辦法把它們補足所以在可以留用而被刪減但是又非常有高度急迫性的部分我們給予它補足了以後\n到最後我們總共處理的結果就是有這兩艘艦艇年底的時候我們確實是會延遲交貨所以我要在這邊很嚴正的\n曾經刪減過這些預算的藍白委員說今天的解凍希望可以順利解凍的順利其實可以讓我們所有的海巡人員包含油料包含所有的這些包含岸上的這些基地等等的可以有充分的包含水電物資\n可以使用甚至加班費等等是可以使用的如果今天可以解凍順利的話但是刪掉的還是救不回來主委是吧刪除的部分我們能救的挪一挪以後就是有這麼多的缺口那其實是不止這一個部分第二個統三的部分國外旅費還有國內旅費還有出國教育訓練費用\n這個也是在委員會裡面非常熱烈討論的還是被捅刪了所以對於解凍還是會影響到我們的國際交流派員赴美訓練還有相關的這些工程建設的進度\n這個部分不能留用的項目比較多因此我們遇到的困難也比較大那譬如說國外的授訓旅費等等的話我們確實是必須要縮小規模那以國內旅費來講的話譬如我們海巡署其實已經重大的影響到因為我們海巡署是這樣就是說所有的分署還有所有的安檢等等單位是遍佈在全國\n數百個單位那他們常常必須要國內的旅費他們來開會等等那因為這個經費被刪除的結果我們沒有辦法補那因此整個海巡署他今年公出或者是出公差他的善雜費全部歸零他還包含很多還包含公殺\n包含在東沙如果要回來那要搭飛機的話就會受影響那如果要排成船班或者是要拜託國防部的話就會遇到一些影響所以希望今天的解凍的部分是可以順利我們至少可以救回來至少到七八月以後這個部分因為現在已經五月了嘛我們到八月份很多就真的\n就是沒有辦法像八月份的話會本部我們的執行率就要高達99.76那以海保的話就會高達99.87那國海院也會高達96.71%那就算是海巡也是將近95%的執行率所以八月以後我們幾乎會無以為繼\n好 謝謝主委 那我最後算一個簡單的數學行政院提出4100億的國土安全任性計畫裡面包含1500億強化國土安全任性預算裡面有包含周邊海域監測有包含立體徵收 有包含海岸監偵還有包含規劃新型的巡防艦艇\n但是這裡有1500億那另外還有針對台電的撥補提出1000億那另外還有相關的一些照護民生以及就業安定930億以及1600億這樣加起來是4100億\n在野黨提出來2300億普發現金之外那目前的4100億很明顯的就是超過了那我們希望我們可以來支持由行政院來提出來的這些方案包含國土安全任性謝謝主委你請回\n主委讓你簡單回應一下我跟委員報告我真的是非常非常希望國土任性屬於海選署的這個部分可以被支持為什麼呢因為它將是劃時代的里程碑跟委員報告的話我從就任2023年開始的時候就認為說我們要海空一體\n我們空中的能量是幾乎是沒有辦法達成我們應有的任務讓我們水下或者是水面我們也都還不夠我們夜間也都還不夠所以這筆錢如果能夠挹注於海巡署的話海巡署將是一個莫大的蛻變它將會是真正的海空一體立體的能力會建構它將是24小時的能量可以完整的補充起來\n而如果說明年開始我們要用新的財化法這麼重要的一個歷史性的經費我們不知道說用新的財化法下去的話中央的預算能不能挹注海巡署這麼重大的轉型所以這一筆預算如果能夠挹注海巡署至少我們前三年的預算可以確保的話這個重要的歷史的里程碑就可以往前走\n謝謝主委 海巡等同國防我希望我們在這4100億裡面等於加強我們的國防真的非常急迫性的需要再請客委會主委 謝謝好 請谷主委\n主席抱歉我再多一分鐘的時間來釐清為什麼我們用內政委員會為主題那今天來到這邊\n我的印象中在去年審議預算的時候內政委員會並沒有刪除那麼多客委會的預算有凍結四億但是在院會裡面還是被刪除了一億九千萬的預算\n在院會裡面突然跳過委員會把委員會討論的東西全部跳過直接在院會提出二三讀要刪除課委會預算所以身為內政委員會\n不只客家委員他要提出說他在內政委員會並沒有刪除客家委員會的預算沒有凍結客家委員會的預算但是我要強調的這一些客家籍的委員還是在院會投票的時候投出刪除客委會的預算\n包含傅坤祺、林思明、徐欣盈、徐巧欣還是在二三讀的時候大砍課委會預算還是在二三讀的時候凍結課委會預算所以今天我們回到我們委員會希望可以順利凍結主委希望你全力捍衛課委會預算是也謝謝委員以及內委會的委員全力來支持那希望今天的解凍案能夠順利來請委員支持謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.373 --> 00:24.151\n好謝謝先有請海委會主委好請管主委主委謝謝那今天內政委員會特別到這個大會議室來做這些預算的煽動應該是解凍的這些會議的討論那我想要強調一件事情\n\n00:31.457 --> 00:48.953\n就是主委在4月17號的時候在質詢台上在內政委員會的質詢台上那有表示因為我們在去年做的這些決議裡面刪減預算的部分不得留用那所以今天就算解凍\n\n00:50.234 --> 01:04.950\n希望可以順利解凍11億海委會的預算裡面但是被刪掉10億不得流用的部分600噸的蘭嶼艦跟1000噸的花蓮艦是不是還是沒辦法交船主委\n\n01:05.732 --> 01:26.412\n各位委員報告因為我們還有其他被刪減的部分我們真的是在刀口上的錢所以我們要想辦法把它們補足所以在可以留用而被刪減但是又非常有高度急迫性的部分我們給予它補足了以後\n\n01:26.892 --> 01:37.883\n到最後我們總共處理的結果就是有這兩艘艦艇年底的時候我們確實是會延遲交貨所以我要在這邊很嚴正的\n\n01:39.542 --> 02:00.709\n曾經刪減過這些預算的藍白委員說今天的解凍希望可以順利解凍的順利其實可以讓我們所有的海巡人員包含油料包含所有的這些包含岸上的這些基地等等的可以有充分的包含水電物資\n\n02:01.809 --> 02:26.228\n可以使用甚至加班費等等是可以使用的如果今天可以解凍順利的話但是刪掉的還是救不回來主委是吧刪除的部分我們能救的挪一挪以後就是有這麼多的缺口那其實是不止這一個部分第二個統三的部分國外旅費還有國內旅費還有出國教育訓練費用\n\n02:27.849 --> 02:43.738\n這個也是在委員會裡面非常熱烈討論的還是被捅刪了所以對於解凍還是會影響到我們的國際交流派員赴美訓練還有相關的這些工程建設的進度\n\n02:45.884 --> 03:10.236\n這個部分不能留用的項目比較多因此我們遇到的困難也比較大那譬如說國外的授訓旅費等等的話我們確實是必須要縮小規模那以國內旅費來講的話譬如我們海巡署其實已經重大的影響到因為我們海巡署是這樣就是說所有的分署還有所有的安檢等等單位是遍佈在全國\n\n03:11.276 --> 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