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00:01:04,038\n同仁協助在臉書上找假帳號這裡面是說你長期在個人臉書發布對台政治攻擊執政黨及提倡兩岸統一的言論疑似為境外異常帳號操作認知作戰而且到各大可能一直有在批評執政黨或是台灣政治的粉絲專頁來尋找而且要把他這個資訊貼到\n\n3\n00:01:05,658 --> 00:01:14,567\n群組那所以呢這個爆料者就認為說海巡的工作的本物是什麼然後呢這個難道海巡還要巡到網路上了是嗎這個好像已經完全逾越了原來海巡署同仁他們應有的職務那後來我也看到那個海巡署就有發布新聞稿啊\n\n4\n00:01:27,779 --> 00:01:39,591\n在這個新聞稿裡面呢其實呢他也沒有完全的否認那麼裡面就提到就說如果有疑似中共操縱的異常賬號所以也要海巡署或者權責機關及時更正以安定民心士氣所以我想請教一下主委跟署長我們海巡署的組織法裡面\n\n5\n00:01:51,562 --> 00:01:57,104\n那麼我們海巡署同仁包含要去尋網路嗎包含要去針對這個認知作戰他們要去收集這些相關的資訊嗎那這個部分是不是已經逾越到我們海巡署的執掌的業務因為我覺得我們是一個法治的國家所以我想請問一下主委還有或者是署長\n\n6\n00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:37,500\n能不能針對這個事情到底你們要讓我們海巡署的同仁到底要做些什麼樣的業務難道他們突然要變身國安局或者是警政署嗎這些事情不應該是警政署跟國安局的職務嗎我想請主委或者是署長能不能說明一下到底你的要求是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,922\n委員剛剛有講到一個重點就是認知作戰我從舉例先開始114年聯合演訓跟海峽雷霆2025A這個時候就出現了一個假新聞這是認知作戰就是說我們的媒體甚至於報導說網路上面在傳說LNG船因為中國的經驗無法進港這是假消息那我們海巡很重要在軍演的時候這個假訊息假訊息是不是應該有\n\n8\n00:03:08,372 --> 00:03:14,054\n國安局或者軍演的應對前海巡署認定我們要不要去澄清假訊息要不要打擊假訊息很重要但是今天海巡署如果我們再講海巡署未來是第二海軍\n\n9\n00:03:31,420 --> 00:03:51,743\n那我不曉得海巡署還要變成網軍嗎我錯了委員這個跟網軍完全無關他的工作還要變成網軍這我意思是說我們沒有網軍海巡沒有網軍但是海巡在因應反制中共灰色地帶襲擾的認知作戰上面我們是第一線重要的部隊我們一定要做軍演的時候這個訊息\n\n10\n00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:59,049\n主委你要不要去讀一下你去讀一下海巡署的組織法所以我要講的是組織法整理的時候海巡的同仁會質疑說今天海巡的工作的本務是什麼這點非常重要這點非常重要\n\n11\n00:04:19,884 --> 00:04:27,952\n政府的機關之間本來就有個人的職職所以國鄉請教一下主委同樣的我們不是在做思想檢查在4100億因為我時間有限趕快問一下比較重要的\n\n12\n00:04:39,183 --> 00:05:00,811\n4100億的特別條例因為有1500億是國土安全韌性那這裡面因為其實提到立法院的這部分的敘述非常的有限那裡面就是有提到有關於海巡的設施所以我要講的就是說其實我們要很界定是第一個我們海巡的業務是什麼\n\n13\n00:05:02,392 --> 00:05:06,854\n那海巡他現在所缺少的是什麼在預算要補強的是什麼所以你這4100億1500億因為我剛講說加強國土安全韌性不能說六個字要1500億嘛對不對所以我們大約需要300億我給你一點時間好嗎就是說因為我們所看到在立法院送過來立法院的1500億的內容實在是太少了\n\n14\n00:05:31,283 --> 00:05:45,077\n所以針對海巡的部分可不可以請主委或者署長來告訴我們這1500億請問要你海巡佔多少錢我們不曉得佔多少錢然後你到底要花在哪裡\n\n15\n00:05:46,614 --> 00:06:02,887\n到目前為止可不可以來做一些說明跟委員報告我剛剛有說明這是一個跨時代的海巡轉型的一個非常重要的機會好多少錢是我們大約目前還沒有完全核定因為條件都已經送到立法院來了\n\n16\n00:06:03,827 --> 00:06:18,634\n條例也還沒有過條例過了以後的預算才會合理但是因為我們目前我們需要的其實更多但是至少可以給我們300億所以海巡的部分海巡的部分300億是吧1500億裡面海巡300億是這樣嗎確定嗎\n\n17\n00:06:23,837 --> 00:06:52,255\n跟委員報告目前我們海巡可以爭取到的大約就是300億的規模那跟委員報告這個對我們來講是非常非常重要好300億要花在哪裡因為我們不要占用大家時間300億要花在那個我第一次聽到1500億裡面委員包括您關心的就像這個大餅的包括您所關心您都曾經來文希望知道我們的熱險象儀要部署在哪裡的時候那跟委員報告熱險象儀有或沒有對於海巡是一個劃時代\n\n18\n00:06:53,575 --> 00:06:58,920\n因為我們需要24小時都有監證能力那為什麼在今年度的預算裡面沒有放進來啊為什麼今年度預算沒有放進來啊這麼重要我們在去年的時候去年的時候發生的事情去年的時候質詢但是為什麼今年的預算沒有編進來\n\n19\n00:07:13,971 --> 00:07:19,715\n你還不放進來?你300億要花在哪裏?我們都在爭取預算我們都講不出來時間那麼久了起碼3分鐘過去你講不出來除了300億講不出來你到底要花\n\n20\n00:07:34,586 --> 00:07:55,617\n沒有講不出來我已經說了海空一體跟24小時的精銳海巡光是這幾個字你這個都是形容詞嘛就像國土安全認証你不能用一個國土安全認証告訴我1500億國土安全認証很重要我都知道但是你要花願意在條例裡面給我們\n\n21\n00:07:56,437 --> 00:07:59,339\n我們絕對會讓委員相信這是我們絕對需要的海巡絕對需要的委員制我今天是真的做球給你讓你告訴我們海巡要爭取多少錢要花在哪裡講半天你跟我講一些形容詞非常可惜\n\n22\n00:08:15,168 --> 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300億要花在哪裡因為我們不要占用大家時間300億要花在那個我第一次聽到1500億裡面委員包括您關心的就像這個大餅的包括您所關心您都曾經來文希望知道我們的熱險象儀要部署在哪裡的時候那跟委員報告熱險象儀有或沒有對於海巡是一個劃時代\n413575\t418920\t因為我們需要24小時都有監證能力那為什麼在今年度的預算裡面沒有放進來啊為什麼今年度預算沒有放進來啊這麼重要我們在去年的時候去年的時候發生的事情去年的時候質詢但是為什麼今年的預算沒有編進來\n433971\t439715\t你還不放進來?你300億要花在哪裏?我們都在爭取預算我們都講不出來時間那麼久了起碼3分鐘過去你講不出來除了300億講不出來你到底要花\n454586\t475617\t沒有講不出來 我已經說了海空一體跟24小時的精銳海巡 光是這幾個字你這個都是形容詞嘛就像國土安全認証 你不能用一個國土安全認証告訴我1500億 國土安全認証很重要 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