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00:02:38,690\n那接著其他很多委員曾經關心過這個高領的一個交通設施跟環境安全的問題我注意到現象我之前想要質詢但是時間上來不及但是我又在今天整理了一下市長你知道我們現在全台灣的交通死亡事故\n\n8\n00:02:39,891 --> 00:03:07,819\n差不多差不多一半是高齡者以你們的這個所謂的道安總動員裡面114年1到2月的道路的交通事故的統計那高齡者的死亡呢211人那如果以跟去年的同期比較起來的話是微幅的死傷是增加的死傷是增加的那這個部分\n\n9\n00:03:09,272 --> 00:03:27,955\n次長你有注意到這個現象嗎這個我們長期有發現是有這個問題長期發現有這個問題嘛對不對好那全台的交通死亡死傷事故近半以上是這個高齡又有在增加那我們就必須要思考台灣現在即將邁入超高齡的社會\n\n10\n00:03:29,276 --> 00:03:48,485\n我們將近有百分之二十以上會是高齡者我們的交通的環境設施設備如何能夠守護長者的安全我覺得這很重要我們現在在講說要去除掉行人地獄的污名化但是我們同時要兼顧在\n\n11\n00:03:49,605 --> 00:04:12,201\n不管是我們一直主張的要維護學童的行人安全或者是一般人的一個重大路口的一個行人的交通安全那長者的部分我覺得更是要去第一個在政策上還有在我們的執行面上還有我們的法規制度面上還有你們的一個設置標準上應該要把高齡\n\n12\n00:04:13,662 --> 00:04:34,013\n的這個觀點跟他們的交通使用習慣要納入考慮所以第一個在駕駛偏上面我們現在雖然要做高齡駕駛的換照制度但是呢曾經監察院糾正沒有全面實施管理只做半套所以呢我們有其他委員也出面來呼籲第一個\n\n13\n00:04:35,675 --> 00:04:49,622\n邁入超高齡社會我們如何保障高齡者的移動權以及兼顧他們的安全這個真的是刻不容緩的議題所以我們呼籲政府嚴寧階段性的換照政策是不是應該要再更精進\n\n14\n00:04:50,683 --> 00:05:16,145\n第二個推動高齡者的再訓練課程的補助讓更多的高齡者的駕駛人他是可以透過教育再訓練適合他們的一個教育訓練的內容裡面讓他們能夠精進更保障自己安全跟行人的安全第二個交通網絡的配套措施的規劃尤其公共運輸系統如何友善高齡者\n\n15\n00:05:18,206 --> 00:05:27,498\n最後這些通通要做到才是強化我們高齡者移動權的保障嘛對不對市長這您應該同意吧\n\n16\n00:05:28,854 --> 00:05:50,295\n有很多的項目其實我們目前就是正想辦法在研議中譬如說換照制度是不是公務局我的了解他們也在想說現在是75歲以上那是不是可以再下修等等的那甚至像這個訓練要補助或者是很多的我們也發現很多的高齡者他其實是無照的\n\n17\n00:05:50,795 --> 00:06:11,316\n那無照的如何輔導他去考照那是不是也能夠像機車現在機車的駕駛人有補助的方式那後面講到說以移動權的這部分高齡者的移動權我想我們也是我們屬於公共運輸重要的一部分對公共運輸裡面如何友善高齡者嘛對不對幸福巴士在推動的一個方向或是剛才講的通用計程車我是呼籲交通部確實要去研議一下啦\n\n18\n00:06:14,179 --> 00:06:29,459\n那這些都要做那除了駕駛偏跟公共運輸環境再來就是行人我們在談論行人我跟次長講一個數字台中的行人死亡事故大概有六成是長者\n\n19\n00:06:30,901 --> 00:06:38,009\n這個不是我說的這是他們台中市政府這個交通局表示的所以呢他們認為呢因為他們有拋出到這個數據他們要第一個要精準塔級要宣導道安觀念那這個剛好跟\n\n20\n00:06:45,317 --> 00:07:11,352\n陳士凱部長在去年9月的時候也講到我們今年的目標要7%那7%的死亡率裡面我們要降低那首重的是要鎖定長者來做宣導可是到了今天我們看到2025的5月我們這個台中的這個交通局還表示行人死亡裡面有6成是長者這個宣導到底有沒有用啊次長\n\n21\n00:07:15,325 --> 00:07:28,556\n對老人的宣導確實是有他的一個困難度因為老人有他自己的想法所以如何來讓市長你不會這樣說市長你不會這樣說不是長者有他自己的想法所以你覺得困難所以你們宣導的方式到底有沒有到位你這一句話會讓人家\n\n22\n00:07:36,926 --> 00:07:55,681\n覺得質疑喔不是質疑,我跟文委員講,我是講自己心生的感受我爸爸我要告訴他,我做次長要告訴他就很困難我要告訴的是這個啦,我沒有在講說我們沒有,我是在講說對於老人的一個宣導,確實我們要再加把勁啦我是想要強調,只是我有一個有沒有想過如何加把勁\n\n23\n00:07:57,222 --> 00:08:05,729\n所以我們在這個對老人來講的話有所謂陸老師的宣導等等的結合林里長這樣的方式來做處理市長不要站在你們交通部的角度跟立場想說我只要去灌輸他們觀念\n\n24\n00:08:14,295 --> 00:08:35,467\n那能不能反向思考說我們如果把這個專業知識或是跟道安的相關的知識融入在生活當中用長者的角度他們聽得懂的角度他們能夠接受的角度去做宣導啦我們現在要精準改善嘛對不對我們現在陸老師在宣導其實都是採用這種方式在而不是教條式的我們教你怎麼怎麼\n\n25\n00:08:37,188 --> 00:08:52,003\n是透過他們自己相互之間形成一個類似像所以預算上我們支持嘛所以我知道在審預算的時候有其他委員對這一項預算是有意見的但是呢預算上我們都願意支持但是你要做好\n\n26\n00:08:53,203 --> 00:09:15,698\n做的成效如何我希望下一次我可以聽到比較精準的一個回答告訴我們這個對長者的宣導到底有沒有做到位那這個成效如何啦我希望看到的是不要再告訴我說在死亡人數裡面有餘六成是這個長者我也不要再看到說在道安總動員裡面的資訊告訴我們\n\n27\n00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:34,193\n原來說要宣導結果我們今年還是長者的這個死傷率是爬升的我覺得這個最重要的是要提醒拜託交通部相關單位對長者的交通的一個環境配套措施跟\n\n28\n00:09:35,194 --> 00:09:52,469\n一些該做的我們能夠做到位啦我接著要跟你講說除了宣導之外還有是你們現在可以做的就是行人的友善措施嘛第一個我們部長有宣示說要行人專用實相跟行人找開實相等等這個很好\n\n29\n00:09:54,966 --> 00:10:20,596\n以在交通部的建議裡面我爬梳到了你們是優先評估行人學童高齡者較多的入口來施行嘛那這個高齡者怎麼依據這個有媒體說在高齡社會裡面的紅燈到底該開幾秒是要等長輩還是逼他們走快一點這是一句這一句話就是體驗了我們現在在各大入口裡面看到長者\n\n30\n00:10:23,654 --> 00:10:37,460\n他過紅綠燈過那個路口的一個秒數到底能不能讓他們安全的過馬路如何讓長者安全的過馬路就是降低他們的死傷的機率嘛對不對次長你同意嗎\n\n31\n00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:48,811\n我想跟委員報告這個因為路口啊或者就是號誌要幾秒這還牽涉到路口多寬啊所以呢原則上呢路口如果太寬的話現在都會有庇護島的方式來設計希望就是說這個這個\n\n32\n00:10:55,839 --> 00:11:12,124\n那另外呢我的了解我們也有宣導也有告訴這個長者就是說他大概依他現在的步伐大概幾秒的時候適合通過那如果在幾秒內他可能會過不去我們現在看到的這個在這個標誌標線然後自設制規則裡面還沒有看到長者的啦這個是你們要去再精進的啦是不是\n\n33\n00:11:21,187 --> 00:11:24,810\n我覺得這很重要啊你再來研議看看啦好不好我覺得這是用大數據或者是用我們的交通專業還有跟相關的老人長者團體大家一起研議可以去做出來看看\n\n34\n00:11:38,021 --> 00:11:43,383\n這個部分演繹最後再給我十秒鐘我認為還有一件事是可以做的AI偵測我們現在都在講AIAI數位那AI偵測事實上這個智慧路標也好或是路口的一個智慧監測也好現在是技術是OK的\n\n35\n00:11:56,087 --> 00:12:21,129\n那也有部分縣市的一些重大入口正在試辦試行那我們為什麼用這個也來可以第一個友善學童友善行人更應該友善高齡者我們長輩的行人那這個我認為提醒交通部也可以納入評估來看看能不能試行那如果試行成功的話可不可以擴大辦理啊\n\n36\n00:12:23,115 --> 00:12:36,024\n報告這樣的一個用導入AI來確保相關的交通安全的這樣的一個政策是部裡頭的一個政策所以現在我的了解不只是這裡頭提到的\n\n37\n00:12:38,465 --> 00:12:56,800\n台中像桃園等等台中桃園嘉義我現在爬樹了一下都有在示範都有在示範所以我們現在是在入口有這個智慧監測我的建議是包括行人專用的實相在入口裡面的一個智慧監測我們也可以運用讓人多的時候秒數要\n\n38\n00:12:58,301 --> 00:13:16,543\n要拉長或者是老人家他需要比較大的路口老人家走路他可能需要比較長的這個秒數那我們如果透過智慧監測AI的監測可以幫忙我們所有的行人都安全好不好這個我們可以來研議看看來評估好不好以上謝謝謝謝何新淳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1896\t6059\t首先今天有關公路法我有提修法的版本有修兩個條文我剛剛在法案說明的時候我還是再強調一次\n28633\t43340\t第一個是希望有關營業的大型車輛如果未來造勢能夠保障我們受害者及其家屬配偶等的權益因為我們接受過太多的懲罰\n44440\t48983\t如果說呢這個營業車輛肇事致人於死或重傷的時候通常因為呢營業車輛都是挖行挖行呢那這個業者呢到底會不會有脫產之嫌以逃避他未來的這個賠償責任我想這個是我們今天為什麼要修修這個法案的其中一個重點那我不希望說受害人已經是這麼的怎麼辦受害人已經\n71957\t91226\t遭受到生命的一個安全上的一個威脅甚至失去了生命他的家屬跟配偶跟受害者本身還得不到應有的公道及賠償的權益受保障我覺得這個很重要雖然我聽到你的回答是說這個可能在這個所謂的主動通知的一個時效問題我不知道次長說的意思是什麼\n95728\t118448\t你另外又提到說現在本來就在做了所以不一定要透過修法我希望這個你是不是書面資料再回給我好不好第二個有關你認為可以同意的部分是在於這個有關我們交通的設施的這個行政單位要進入去檢測或者維修的時候巡查的時候要真的是有土地地主的同意這個雙括號的這個通知你是同意的嘛對不對是我們同意對好\n122992\t136625\t那我希望記得先把我剛剛說的書面報告在一個禮拜之內給我你們現行如何做那如果不用透過修法就可以做那可以如何更精進我想要知道我也請公務局檢討如何更主動來通知好\n140148\t158690\t那接著其他很多委員曾經關心過這個高領的一個交通設施跟環境安全的問題我注意到現象我之前想要質詢但是時間上來不及但是我又在今天整理了一下市長你知道我們現在全台灣的交通死亡事故\n159891\t187819\t差不多差不多一半是高齡者以你們的這個所謂的道安總動員裡面114年1到2月的道路的交通事故的統計那高齡者的死亡呢211人那如果以跟去年的同期比較起來的話是微幅的死傷是增加的死傷是增加的那這個部分\n189272\t207955\t次長你有注意到這個現象嗎這個我們長期有發現是有這個問題長期發現有這個問題嘛對不對好那全台的交通死亡死傷事故近半以上是這個高齡又有在增加那我們就必須要思考台灣現在即將邁入超高齡的社會\n209276\t228485\t我們將近有百分之二十以上會是高齡者我們的交通的環境設施設備如何能夠守護長者的安全我覺得這很重要我們現在在講說要去除掉行人地獄的污名化但是我們同時要兼顧在\n229605\t252201\t不管是我們一直主張的要維護學童的行人安全或者是一般人的一個重大路口的一個行人的交通安全那長者的部分我覺得更是要去第一個在政策上還有在我們的執行面上還有我們的法規制度面上還有你們的一個設置標準上應該要把高齡\n253662\t274013\t的這個觀點跟他們的交通使用習慣要納入考慮所以第一個在駕駛偏上面我們現在雖然要做高齡駕駛的換照制度但是呢曾經監察院糾正沒有全面實施管理只做半套所以呢我們有其他委員也出面來呼籲第一個\n275675\t289622\t邁入超高齡社會我們如何保障高齡者的移動權以及兼顧他們的安全這個真的是刻不容緩的議題所以我們呼籲政府嚴寧階段性的換照政策是不是應該要再更精進\n290683\t316145\t第二個推動高齡者的再訓練課程的補助讓更多的高齡者的駕駛人他是可以透過教育再訓練適合他們的一個教育訓練的內容裡面讓他們能夠精進更保障自己安全跟行人的安全第二個交通網絡的配套措施的規劃尤其公共運輸系統如何友善高齡者\n318206\t327498\t最後這些通通要做到才是強化我們高齡者移動權的保障嘛對不對市長這您應該同意吧\n328854\t350295\t有很多的項目其實我們目前就是正想辦法在研議中譬如說換照制度是不是公務局我的了解他們也在想說現在是75歲以上那是不是可以再下修等等的那甚至像這個訓練要補助或者是很多的我們也發現很多的高齡者他其實是無照的\n350795\t371316\t那無照的如何輔導他去考照那是不是也能夠像機車現在機車的駕駛人有補助的方式那後面講到說以移動權的這部分高齡者的移動權我想我們也是我們屬於公共運輸重要的一部分對 公共運輸裡面如何友善高齡者嘛 對不對幸福巴士在推動的一個方向或是剛才講的通用計程車我是呼籲交通部確實要去研議一下啦\n374179\t389459\t那這些都要做那除了駕駛偏跟公共運輸環境再來就是行人我們在談論行人我跟次長講一個數字台中的行人死亡事故大概有六成是長者\n390901\t398009\t這個不是我說的這是他們台中市政府這個交通局表示的所以呢他們認為呢因為他們有拋出到這個數據他們要第一個要精準塔級要宣導道安觀念那這個剛好跟\n405317\t431352\t陳士凱部長在去年9月的時候也講到我們今年的目標要7%那7%的死亡率裡面我們要降低那首重的是要鎖定長者來做宣導可是到了今天我們看到2025的5月我們這個台中的這個交通局還表示行人死亡裡面有6成是長者這個宣導到底有沒有用啊 次長\n435325\t448556\t對老人的宣導確實是有他的一個困難度因為老人有他自己的想法所以如何來讓市長你不會這樣說市長你不會這樣說不是長者有他自己的想法所以你覺得困難所以你們宣導的方式到底有沒有到位你這一句話會讓人家\n456926\t475681\t覺得質疑喔不是質疑,我跟文委員講,我是講自己心生的感受我爸爸我要告訴他,我做次長要告訴他就很困難我要告訴的是這個啦,我沒有在講說我們沒有,我是在講說對於老人的一個宣導,確實我們要再加把勁啦我是想要強調,只是我有一個有沒有想過如何加把勁\n477222\t485729\t所以我們在這個對老人來講的話有所謂陸老師的宣導等等的結合林里長這樣的方式來做處理市長不要站在你們交通部的角度跟立場想說我只要去灌輸他們觀念\n494295\t515467\t那能不能反向思考說我們如果把這個專業知識或是跟道安的相關的知識融入在生活當中用長者的角度他們聽得懂的角度他們能夠接受的角度去做宣導啦我們現在要精準改善嘛對不對我們現在陸老師在宣導其實都是採用這種方式在而不是教條式的我們教你怎麼怎麼\n517188\t532003\t是透過他們自己相互之間形成一個類似像所以預算上我們支持嘛所以我知道在審預算的時候有其他委員對這一項預算是有意見的但是呢預算上我們都願意支持但是你要做好\n533203\t555698\t做的成效如何我希望下一次我可以聽到比較精準的一個回答告訴我們這個對長者的宣導到底有沒有做到位那這個成效如何啦我希望看到的是不要再告訴我說在死亡人數裡面有餘六成是這個長者我也不要再看到說在道安總動員裡面的資訊告訴我們\n558360\t574193\t原來說要宣導結果我們今年還是長者的這個死傷率是爬升的我覺得這個最重要的是要提醒拜託交通部相關單位對長者的交通的一個環境配套措施跟\n575194\t592469\t一些該做的我們能夠做到位啦我接著要跟你講說除了宣導之外還有是你們現在可以做的就是行人的友善措施嘛第一個我們部長有宣示說要行人專用實相跟行人找開實相等等這個很好\n594966\t620596\t以在交通部的建議裡面我爬梳到了你們是優先評估行人學童高齡者較多的入口來施行嘛那這個高齡者怎麼依據這個有媒體說在高齡社會裡面的紅燈到底該開幾秒是要等長輩還是逼他們走快一點這是一句這一句話就是體驗了我們現在在各大入口裡面看到長者\n623654\t637460\t他過紅綠燈過那個路口的一個秒數到底能不能讓他們安全的過馬路如何讓長者安全的過馬路就是降低他們的死傷的機率嘛對不對 次長你同意嗎\n639620\t648811\t我想跟委員報告這個因為路口啊或者就是號誌要幾秒這還牽涉到路口多寬啊所以呢原則上呢路口如果太寬的話現在都會有庇護島的方式來設計希望就是說這個這個\n655839\t672124\t那另外呢 我的了解 我們也有宣導也有告訴這個長者就是說他大概 依他現在的步伐大概幾秒的時候適合通過那如果在幾秒內 他可能會過不去我們現在看到的這個 在這個標誌標線然後自設制規則裡面還沒有看到長者的啦這個是你們要去再精進的啦 是不是\n681187\t684810\t我覺得這很重要啊你再來研議看看啦好不好我覺得這是用大數據或者是用我們的交通專業還有跟相關的老人長者團體大家一起研議可以去做出來看看\n698021\t703383\t這個部分演繹 最後再給我十秒鐘我認為還有一件事是可以做的AI偵測 我們現在都在講AI AI數位那AI偵測事實上這個智慧路標也好或是路口的一個智慧監測也好現在是技術是OK的\n716087\t741129\t那也有部分縣市的一些重大入口正在試辦試行那我們為什麼用這個也來可以第一個友善學童友善行人更應該友善高齡者我們長輩的行人那這個我認為提醒交通部也可以納入評估來看看能不能試行那如果試行成功的話可不可以擴大辦理啊\n743115\t756024\t報告這樣的一個用導入AI來確保相關的交通安全的這樣的一個政策是部裡頭的一個政策所以現在我的了解不只是這裡頭提到的\n758465\t776800\t台中像桃園等等 台中桃園嘉義我現在爬樹了一下都有在示範 都有在示範所以我們現在是在入口有這個智慧監測我的建議是包括行人專用的實相在入口裡面的一個智慧監測我們也可以運用 讓人多的時候秒數要\n778301\t796543\t要拉長或者是老人家他需要比較大的路口老人家走路他可能需要比較長的這個秒數那我們如果透過智慧監測AI的監測可以幫忙我們所有的行人都安全好不好這個我們可以來研議看看來評估好不好以上謝謝謝謝何新淳委員\n","txt":"首先今天有關公路法我有提修法的版本有修兩個條文我剛剛在法案說明的時候我還是再強調一次\n第一個是希望有關營業的大型車輛如果未來造勢能夠保障我們受害者及其家屬配偶等的權益因為我們接受過太多的懲罰\n如果說呢這個營業車輛肇事致人於死或重傷的時候通常因為呢營業車輛都是挖行挖行呢那這個業者呢到底會不會有脫產之嫌以逃避他未來的這個賠償責任我想這個是我們今天為什麼要修修這個法案的其中一個重點那我不希望說受害人已經是這麼的怎麼辦受害人已經\n遭受到生命的一個安全上的一個威脅甚至失去了生命他的家屬跟配偶跟受害者本身還得不到應有的公道及賠償的權益受保障我覺得這個很重要雖然我聽到你的回答是說這個可能在這個所謂的主動通知的一個時效問題我不知道次長說的意思是什麼\n你另外又提到說現在本來就在做了所以不一定要透過修法我希望這個你是不是書面資料再回給我好不好第二個有關你認為可以同意的部分是在於這個有關我們交通的設施的這個行政單位要進入去檢測或者維修的時候巡查的時候要真的是有土地地主的同意這個雙括號的這個通知你是同意的嘛對不對是我們同意對好\n那我希望記得先把我剛剛說的書面報告在一個禮拜之內給我你們現行如何做那如果不用透過修法就可以做那可以如何更精進我想要知道我也請公務局檢討如何更主動來通知好\n那接著其他很多委員曾經關心過這個高領的一個交通設施跟環境安全的問題我注意到現象我之前想要質詢但是時間上來不及但是我又在今天整理了一下市長你知道我們現在全台灣的交通死亡事故\n差不多差不多一半是高齡者以你們的這個所謂的道安總動員裡面114年1到2月的道路的交通事故的統計那高齡者的死亡呢211人那如果以跟去年的同期比較起來的話是微幅的死傷是增加的死傷是增加的那這個部分\n次長你有注意到這個現象嗎這個我們長期有發現是有這個問題長期發現有這個問題嘛對不對好那全台的交通死亡死傷事故近半以上是這個高齡又有在增加那我們就必須要思考台灣現在即將邁入超高齡的社會\n我們將近有百分之二十以上會是高齡者我們的交通的環境設施設備如何能夠守護長者的安全我覺得這很重要我們現在在講說要去除掉行人地獄的污名化但是我們同時要兼顧在\n不管是我們一直主張的要維護學童的行人安全或者是一般人的一個重大路口的一個行人的交通安全那長者的部分我覺得更是要去第一個在政策上還有在我們的執行面上還有我們的法規制度面上還有你們的一個設置標準上應該要把高齡\n的這個觀點跟他們的交通使用習慣要納入考慮所以第一個在駕駛偏上面我們現在雖然要做高齡駕駛的換照制度但是呢曾經監察院糾正沒有全面實施管理只做半套所以呢我們有其他委員也出面來呼籲第一個\n邁入超高齡社會我們如何保障高齡者的移動權以及兼顧他們的安全這個真的是刻不容緩的議題所以我們呼籲政府嚴寧階段性的換照政策是不是應該要再更精進\n第二個推動高齡者的再訓練課程的補助讓更多的高齡者的駕駛人他是可以透過教育再訓練適合他們的一個教育訓練的內容裡面讓他們能夠精進更保障自己安全跟行人的安全第二個交通網絡的配套措施的規劃尤其公共運輸系統如何友善高齡者\n最後這些通通要做到才是強化我們高齡者移動權的保障嘛對不對市長這您應該同意吧\n有很多的項目其實我們目前就是正想辦法在研議中譬如說換照制度是不是公務局我的了解他們也在想說現在是75歲以上那是不是可以再下修等等的那甚至像這個訓練要補助或者是很多的我們也發現很多的高齡者他其實是無照的\n那無照的如何輔導他去考照那是不是也能夠像機車現在機車的駕駛人有補助的方式那後面講到說以移動權的這部分高齡者的移動權我想我們也是我們屬於公共運輸重要的一部分對 公共運輸裡面如何友善高齡者嘛 對不對幸福巴士在推動的一個方向或是剛才講的通用計程車我是呼籲交通部確實要去研議一下啦\n那這些都要做那除了駕駛偏跟公共運輸環境再來就是行人我們在談論行人我跟次長講一個數字台中的行人死亡事故大概有六成是長者\n這個不是我說的這是他們台中市政府這個交通局表示的所以呢他們認為呢因為他們有拋出到這個數據他們要第一個要精準塔級要宣導道安觀念那這個剛好跟\n陳士凱部長在去年9月的時候也講到我們今年的目標要7%那7%的死亡率裡面我們要降低那首重的是要鎖定長者來做宣導可是到了今天我們看到2025的5月我們這個台中的這個交通局還表示行人死亡裡面有6成是長者這個宣導到底有沒有用啊 次長\n對老人的宣導確實是有他的一個困難度因為老人有他自己的想法所以如何來讓市長你不會這樣說市長你不會這樣說不是長者有他自己的想法所以你覺得困難所以你們宣導的方式到底有沒有到位你這一句話會讓人家\n覺得質疑喔不是質疑,我跟文委員講,我是講自己心生的感受我爸爸我要告訴他,我做次長要告訴他就很困難我要告訴的是這個啦,我沒有在講說我們沒有,我是在講說對於老人的一個宣導,確實我們要再加把勁啦我是想要強調,只是我有一個有沒有想過如何加把勁\n所以我們在這個對老人來講的話有所謂陸老師的宣導等等的結合林里長這樣的方式來做處理市長不要站在你們交通部的角度跟立場想說我只要去灌輸他們觀念\n那能不能反向思考說我們如果把這個專業知識或是跟道安的相關的知識融入在生活當中用長者的角度他們聽得懂的角度他們能夠接受的角度去做宣導啦我們現在要精準改善嘛對不對我們現在陸老師在宣導其實都是採用這種方式在而不是教條式的我們教你怎麼怎麼\n是透過他們自己相互之間形成一個類似像所以預算上我們支持嘛所以我知道在審預算的時候有其他委員對這一項預算是有意見的但是呢預算上我們都願意支持但是你要做好\n做的成效如何我希望下一次我可以聽到比較精準的一個回答告訴我們這個對長者的宣導到底有沒有做到位那這個成效如何啦我希望看到的是不要再告訴我說在死亡人數裡面有餘六成是這個長者我也不要再看到說在道安總動員裡面的資訊告訴我們\n原來說要宣導結果我們今年還是長者的這個死傷率是爬升的我覺得這個最重要的是要提醒拜託交通部相關單位對長者的交通的一個環境配套措施跟\n一些該做的我們能夠做到位啦我接著要跟你講說除了宣導之外還有是你們現在可以做的就是行人的友善措施嘛第一個我們部長有宣示說要行人專用實相跟行人找開實相等等這個很好\n以在交通部的建議裡面我爬梳到了你們是優先評估行人學童高齡者較多的入口來施行嘛那這個高齡者怎麼依據這個有媒體說在高齡社會裡面的紅燈到底該開幾秒是要等長輩還是逼他們走快一點這是一句這一句話就是體驗了我們現在在各大入口裡面看到長者\n他過紅綠燈過那個路口的一個秒數到底能不能讓他們安全的過馬路如何讓長者安全的過馬路就是降低他們的死傷的機率嘛對不對 次長你同意嗎\n我想跟委員報告這個因為路口啊或者就是號誌要幾秒這還牽涉到路口多寬啊所以呢原則上呢路口如果太寬的話現在都會有庇護島的方式來設計希望就是說這個這個\n那另外呢 我的了解 我們也有宣導也有告訴這個長者就是說他大概 依他現在的步伐大概幾秒的時候適合通過那如果在幾秒內 他可能會過不去我們現在看到的這個 在這個標誌標線然後自設制規則裡面還沒有看到長者的啦這個是你們要去再精進的啦 是不是\n我覺得這很重要啊你再來研議看看啦好不好我覺得這是用大數據或者是用我們的交通專業還有跟相關的老人長者團體大家一起研議可以去做出來看看\n這個部分演繹 最後再給我十秒鐘我認為還有一件事是可以做的AI偵測 我們現在都在講AI AI數位那AI偵測事實上這個智慧路標也好或是路口的一個智慧監測也好現在是技術是OK的\n那也有部分縣市的一些重大入口正在試辦試行那我們為什麼用這個也來可以第一個友善學童友善行人更應該友善高齡者我們長輩的行人那這個我認為提醒交通部也可以納入評估來看看能不能試行那如果試行成功的話可不可以擴大辦理啊\n報告這樣的一個用導入AI來確保相關的交通安全的這樣的一個政策是部裡頭的一個政策所以現在我的了解不只是這裡頭提到的\n台中像桃園等等 台中桃園嘉義我現在爬樹了一下都有在示範 都有在示範所以我們現在是在入口有這個智慧監測我的建議是包括行人專用的實相在入口裡面的一個智慧監測我們也可以運用 讓人多的時候秒數要\n要拉長或者是老人家他需要比較大的路口老人家走路他可能需要比較長的這個秒數那我們如果透過智慧監測AI的監測可以幫忙我們所有的行人都安全好不好這個我們可以來研議看看來評估好不好以上謝謝謝謝何新淳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.896 --> 00:06.059\n首先今天有關公路法我有提修法的版本有修兩個條文我剛剛在法案說明的時候我還是再強調一次\n\n00:28.633 --> 00:43.340\n第一個是希望有關營業的大型車輛如果未來造勢能夠保障我們受害者及其家屬配偶等的權益因為我們接受過太多的懲罰\n\n00:44.440 --> 00:48.983\n如果說呢這個營業車輛肇事致人於死或重傷的時候通常因為呢營業車輛都是挖行挖行呢那這個業者呢到底會不會有脫產之嫌以逃避他未來的這個賠償責任我想這個是我們今天為什麼要修修這個法案的其中一個重點那我不希望說受害人已經是這麼的怎麼辦受害人已經\n\n01:11.957 --> 01:31.226\n遭受到生命的一個安全上的一個威脅甚至失去了生命他的家屬跟配偶跟受害者本身還得不到應有的公道及賠償的權益受保障我覺得這個很重要雖然我聽到你的回答是說這個可能在這個所謂的主動通知的一個時效問題我不知道次長說的意思是什麼\n\n01:35.728 --> 01:58.448\n你另外又提到說現在本來就在做了所以不一定要透過修法我希望這個你是不是書面資料再回給我好不好第二個有關你認為可以同意的部分是在於這個有關我們交通的設施的這個行政單位要進入去檢測或者維修的時候巡查的時候要真的是有土地地主的同意這個雙括號的這個通知你是同意的嘛對不對是我們同意對好\n\n02:02.992 --> 02:16.625\n那我希望記得先把我剛剛說的書面報告在一個禮拜之內給我你們現行如何做那如果不用透過修法就可以做那可以如何更精進我想要知道我也請公務局檢討如何更主動來通知好\n\n02:20.148 --> 02:38.690\n那接著其他很多委員曾經關心過這個高領的一個交通設施跟環境安全的問題我注意到現象我之前想要質詢但是時間上來不及但是我又在今天整理了一下市長你知道我們現在全台灣的交通死亡事故\n\n02:39.891 --> 03:07.819\n差不多差不多一半是高齡者以你們的這個所謂的道安總動員裡面114年1到2月的道路的交通事故的統計那高齡者的死亡呢211人那如果以跟去年的同期比較起來的話是微幅的死傷是增加的死傷是增加的那這個部分\n\n03:09.272 --> 03:27.955\n次長你有注意到這個現象嗎這個我們長期有發現是有這個問題長期發現有這個問題嘛對不對好那全台的交通死亡死傷事故近半以上是這個高齡又有在增加那我們就必須要思考台灣現在即將邁入超高齡的社會\n\n03:29.276 --> 03:48.485\n我們將近有百分之二十以上會是高齡者我們的交通的環境設施設備如何能夠守護長者的安全我覺得這很重要我們現在在講說要去除掉行人地獄的污名化但是我們同時要兼顧在\n\n03:49.605 --> 04:12.201\n不管是我們一直主張的要維護學童的行人安全或者是一般人的一個重大路口的一個行人的交通安全那長者的部分我覺得更是要去第一個在政策上還有在我們的執行面上還有我們的法規制度面上還有你們的一個設置標準上應該要把高齡\n\n04:13.662 --> 04:34.013\n的這個觀點跟他們的交通使用習慣要納入考慮所以第一個在駕駛偏上面我們現在雖然要做高齡駕駛的換照制度但是呢曾經監察院糾正沒有全面實施管理只做半套所以呢我們有其他委員也出面來呼籲第一個\n\n04:35.675 --> 04:49.622\n邁入超高齡社會我們如何保障高齡者的移動權以及兼顧他們的安全這個真的是刻不容緩的議題所以我們呼籲政府嚴寧階段性的換照政策是不是應該要再更精進\n\n04:50.683 --> 05:16.145\n第二個推動高齡者的再訓練課程的補助讓更多的高齡者的駕駛人他是可以透過教育再訓練適合他們的一個教育訓練的內容裡面讓他們能夠精進更保障自己安全跟行人的安全第二個交通網絡的配套措施的規劃尤其公共運輸系統如何友善高齡者\n\n05:18.206 --> 05:27.498\n最後這些通通要做到才是強化我們高齡者移動權的保障嘛對不對市長這您應該同意吧\n\n05:28.854 --> 05:50.295\n有很多的項目其實我們目前就是正想辦法在研議中譬如說換照制度是不是公務局我的了解他們也在想說現在是75歲以上那是不是可以再下修等等的那甚至像這個訓練要補助或者是很多的我們也發現很多的高齡者他其實是無照的\n\n05:50.795 --> 06:11.316\n那無照的如何輔導他去考照那是不是也能夠像機車現在機車的駕駛人有補助的方式那後面講到說以移動權的這部分高齡者的移動權我想我們也是我們屬於公共運輸重要的一部分對公共運輸裡面如何友善高齡者嘛對不對幸福巴士在推動的一個方向或是剛才講的通用計程車我是呼籲交通部確實要去研議一下啦\n\n06:14.179 --> 06:29.459\n那這些都要做那除了駕駛偏跟公共運輸環境再來就是行人我們在談論行人我跟次長講一個數字台中的行人死亡事故大概有六成是長者\n\n06:30.901 --> 06:38.009\n這個不是我說的這是他們台中市政府這個交通局表示的所以呢他們認為呢因為他們有拋出到這個數據他們要第一個要精準塔級要宣導道安觀念那這個剛好跟\n\n06:45.317 --> 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一) 委員林俊憲等23 人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、\n(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、\n(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委\n員馬文君等19 人、( 七) 委員邱若華等17 人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、\n(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義\n川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十\n二條條文修正草案」案；三、審查 ( 一 ) 委員林俊憲等 22 人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草\n案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團\n擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。【本日會議僅針對開會事由二及三進行合併詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1144802_00001"}}}