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00:00:42,190\n在詢問兩位之前今天在場所有的首長在凍結案裡頭我看到很多委員都有給一些要改進的意見要補充的資料書面報告\n\n3\n00:00:43,150 --> 00:01:04,477\n譬如說像法務部,請你們改的東西非常多,要改進的東西很多那這些委員當時的建議,看起來都還蠻良善的所以請你們記得務必,這個委員給的建議,務必這個報告要好好寫,要做改進,這是第一個\n\n4\n00:01:05,285 --> 00:01:24,426\n第二個,請問監察院的李秘書長,媒體都說你現在監察院想要的都沒帶記者,什麼委員、村盟什麼沒有郵局,有司機、有車沒有郵局,現在監察委員是都停擺了嗎?有在運作嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:27,845 --> 00:01:50,338\n或是說影響很大你的做法有很多的調整業務的工作量有什麼改變嗎跟大家講一下王議員報告自從立法院刪除預算以後我們業務費用被刪了96%所以我們現在很多費用是由監委自行出資包括我們的郵費都自己出資\n\n6\n00:01:53,119 --> 00:02:14,159\n真的啦保險費這都自己出資另外我們堅持的原則就是憲法跟法律賦予我們的職責我們還是要做所以我們繼續繼續在這個艱苦的環境下我們希望維持這個監察院的順利運作那到目前為止我們的案量並沒有減少好那第二請教一下財產申報\n\n7\n00:02:16,463 --> 00:02:24,098\n因為我走進去的時候,因為他想要不去用台所以我又有辦法用網路,用自然人憑證炒菜就炒菜\n\n8\n00:02:26,328 --> 00:02:51,135\n那現在也是這樣嗎現在還是要改手寫還是怎樣現在有困難因為監察院的這個所謂的所有的資訊系統都擺在我們的一般行政業務費用裡面那一般行政的業務費用全部被刪除所以我們現在維護系統有困難那如果現在財產申報的話恐怕要手動一本一本去刷簿子一本一本一筆那有可能啦\n\n9\n00:02:51,815 --> 00:03:10,408\n阿不然我現在的系統就沒辦法頂替了那你怎麼會露寶給你發錢阿我也沒辦法我也沒希望這樣現實上最困難的其實是法務部跟司法院他們現在就開始在申報了所以他們現在叫苦連天那我們真的愛莫能助因為預算被砍掉啦\n\n10\n00:03:11,021 --> 00:03:14,883\n你像我自己以前有做工讀生,去一間公司就叫我去開一個戶,薪水就放在裡面當然錢不多啦,可是我可能會漏報,當然這個稅太少啦,你如果不會怎麼樣啦可能裡面有幾萬塊、幾千塊在裡面,有時候有些數量很小,可是因為有這個系統\n\n11\n00:03:37,276 --> 00:03:51,970\n大家很方便嘛我查下去之後政府跟我說我對不起我哪裡有什麼東西很清楚我跟王議員報告大家住的情形都一樣其實本來用自然冷憑證插進去你哪裡戶頭有多少錢都非常清楚\n\n12\n00:03:52,370 --> 00:04:02,613\n那像我這樣常常調動職務的人我的帳戶很多,我自己都不記得你也不知道那個存摺是...存摺到底在哪裡,我要存在哪裡我不知道啊過去就自然而然就可以解決我們一筆一筆去聯絡各個銀行那現在因為這個系統的預算被刪除所以我們現在沒有辦法做維護的費用所以現在這個系統是停擺大家必須用手動去一筆一筆報\n\n13\n00:04:19,178 --> 00:04:29,966\n所以你們現在這個預算是被刪除的,也不是凍結的?也不是凍結所以現在來的各個必須申報財產,有些要年度申報的,有些有異動要申報的就要手工來處理\n\n14\n00:04:34,332 --> 00:04:50,800\nOK好那接下來我請問一下人事總署的這個我們人事長因為我們今天就是說這個立院如果五六月把這個案子解掉了比如各部會案子解掉那因為裡面有一些預算\n\n15\n00:04:51,920 --> 00:05:20,562\n有一些預算是裡面跟人有關的他的計算可能是人月譬如說各單位可能會有些委託研究計畫有一些委託學術機關委託大學教授那他可能當時裡面有編這個行政助理啦研究生啦那他現在這個計畫如果在年底一定要執行完畢那顯然他現在能夠用的費用可能只剩6個月\n\n16\n00:05:22,233 --> 00:05:32,298\n那你們在接下來進行相關的委託計畫這些招標的過程會不會就把這些預算給砍了那解凍的金額你還是用不到\n\n17\n00:05:34,586 --> 00:06:02,057\n謝謝委員這個問題大概分兩個部分一個是以前業的部分以前業的部分大概把那個預算凍結這我們直接就把這個人力的需求直接就降低那另外一種情況可能是在解凍之後我們6月開始簽如果這個計畫是到年底為止的話我們在人事會的本來是使用12個月我們會把它收為7個月就是在人力的那種費用上面就是按照他服務的業數來去估算\n\n18\n00:06:03,598 --> 00:06:31,219\n嗯那如果說是這個還沒圈的就減少啦那如果還沒圈的就減少了好那人事總署有沒有去統計過啊像這一種譬如說大學的研究生他們因為這個預算凍結嘛啊學校老師的研究金會變少了嘛他可能前面這幾個月啊老師說你不用來啊我沒可能一個月給你幾六千因為本來有編啊八千啊一萬每個月那現在這種狀況啊\n\n19\n00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:48,801\n因為剛開始談這個凍結談預算審查的時候聽說學校哀鴻遍野很多學校的老師就跟研究生說我沒辦法跟你搶這個單位應該是這個數字有沒有一個大概的波及的範圍\n\n20\n00:06:50,221 --> 00:07:07,827\n那位委員報告,那位委員的資格這部分大概以高有薄到國科會這種情況會比較多啦那公務機關基本上這種問題碰到的會比較少因為剛才說的,好好裡面一開始,你有些是擺專案的嘛\n\n21\n00:07:08,847 --> 00:07:33,844\n阿有些是我用業務會去聘一些研究助理或者業用人員嘛阿他的進展為他自己再上升有可能的就是減聘啦減聘這個人數啦阿現在如果經費解凍以後他們會針對業務的需要性怕不怕有這個需要他可以去增加但是那個聘期本身就看六月開始就存請各位請各位開始就存啦\n\n22\n00:07:38,967 --> 00:08:07,295\n可能跟這個主計總署啊帶回去一下因為這個可能各單位都有一個依循嘛尤其就是說之前沒聘的這樣的研究生啦這樣的走歷這些相關用業務費支應的這個總是要有一個依據啦也就是依據的說一個指引各單位在編這個錢的時候大家知道原來我們可以把它補回來或者是可以延伸或者是怎樣不然各單位啊我知道很多公務同仁啊\n\n23\n00:08:08,015 --> 00:08:35,932\n現在開始我們這裡解凍過之後去到他的手裡的時候他還是問他單位的財主人員說啊這個到底被弄掉那六個月啊現在到底怎麼補回來所以待會去院裡頭請這個主計總署給大家一個指引啦就是說以後這種費用接下來這幾個月要怎麼處理啦好我就同意跟主計總署我們跟他訂出一個概率出來讓大家來有一個共同的標準依選好謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n14919\t20643\t好 我們請監察院秘書長還有人事行政總書人事長 謝謝請李秘書長 蘇人事長\n26699\t42190\t在詢問兩位之前今天在場所有的首長在凍結案裡頭我看到很多委員都有給一些要改進的意見要補充的資料書面報告\n43150\t64477\t譬如說像法務部,請你們改的東西非常多,要改進的東西很多那這些委員當時的建議,看起來都還蠻良善的所以請你們記得務必,這個委員給的建議,務必這個報告要好好寫,要做改進,這是第一個\n65285\t84426\t第二個,請問監察院的李秘書長,媒體都說你現在監察院想要的都沒帶記者,什麼委員、村盟什麼沒有郵局,有司機、有車沒有郵局,現在監察委員是都停擺了嗎?有在運作嗎?\n87845\t110338\t或是說影響很大 你的做法有很多的調整 業務的工作量有什麼改變嗎 跟大家講一下王議員報告 自從立法院刪除預算以後 我們業務費用被刪了96%所以我們現在很多費用是由監委自行出資 包括我們的郵費 都自己出資\n113119\t134159\t真的啦 保險費 這都自己出資另外我們堅持的原則就是憲法跟法律賦予我們的職責我們還是要做所以我們繼續繼續在這個艱苦的環境下我們希望維持這個監察院的順利運作那到目前為止我們的案量並沒有減少好 那第二請教一下財產申報\n136463\t144098\t因為我走進去的時候,因為他想要不去用台所以我又有辦法用網路,用自然人憑證炒菜就炒菜\n146328\t171135\t那現在也是這樣嗎現在還是要改手寫還是怎樣現在有困難因為監察院的這個所謂的所有的資訊系統都擺在我們的一般行政業務費用裡面那一般行政的業務費用全部被刪除所以我們現在維護系統有困難那如果現在財產申報的話恐怕要手動一本一本去刷簿子一本一本一筆那有可能啦\n171815\t190408\t阿不然我現在的系統就沒辦法頂替了那你怎麼會露寶給你發錢阿我也沒辦法我也沒希望這樣現實上最困難的其實是法務部跟司法院他們現在就開始在申報了所以他們現在叫苦連天那我們真的愛莫能助因為預算被砍掉啦\n191021\t194883\t你像我自己以前有做工讀生,去一間公司就叫我去開一個戶,薪水就放在裡面當然錢不多啦,可是我可能會漏報,當然這個稅太少啦,你如果不會怎麼樣啦可能裡面有幾萬塊、幾千塊在裡面,有時候有些數量很小,可是因為有這個系統\n217276\t231970\t大家很方便嘛我查下去之後政府跟我說我對不起我哪裡有什麼東西很清楚我跟王議員報告大家住的情形都一樣其實本來用自然冷憑證插進去你哪裡戶頭有多少錢都非常清楚\n232370\t242613\t那像我這樣常常調動職務的人我的帳戶很多,我自己都不記得你也不知道那個存摺是...存摺到底在哪裡,我要存在哪裡我不知道啊過去就自然而然就可以解決我們一筆一筆去聯絡各個銀行那現在因為這個系統的預算被刪除所以我們現在沒有辦法做維護的費用所以現在這個系統是停擺大家必須用手動去一筆一筆報\n259178\t269966\t所以你們現在這個預算是被刪除的,也不是凍結的?也不是凍結所以現在來的各個必須申報財產,有些要年度申報的,有些有異動要申報的就要手工來處理\n274332\t290800\tOK 好那接下來我請問一下人事總署的這個我們人事長因為我們今天就是說這個立院如果五六月把這個案子解掉了比如各部會案子解掉那因為裡面有一些預算\n291920\t320562\t有一些預算是裡面跟人有關的他的計算可能是人月譬如說各單位可能會有些委託研究計畫有一些委託學術機關 委託大學教授那他可能當時裡面有編這個行政助理啦 研究生啦那他現在這個計畫如果在年底一定要執行完畢那顯然他現在能夠用的費用可能只剩6個月\n322233\t332298\t那你們在接下來進行相關的委託計畫這些招標的過程會不會就把這些預算給砍了那解凍的金額你還是用不到\n334586\t362057\t謝謝委員這個問題大概分兩個部分一個是以前業的部分以前業的部分大概把那個預算凍結這我們直接就把這個人力的需求直接就降低那另外一種情況可能是在解凍之後我們6月開始簽如果這個計畫是到年底為止的話我們在人事會的本來是使用12個月我們會把它收為7個月就是在人力的那種費用上面就是按照他服務的業數來去估算\n363598\t391219\t嗯那如果說是這個還沒圈的就減少啦那如果還沒圈的就減少了好那人事總署有沒有去統計過啊像這一種譬如說大學的研究生他們因為這個預算凍結嘛啊學校老師的研究金會變少了嘛他可能前面這幾個月啊老師說你不用來啊我沒可能一個月給你幾六千因為本來有編啊八千啊一萬每個月那現在這種狀況啊\n393320\t408801\t因為剛開始談這個凍結談預算審查的時候聽說學校哀鴻遍野很多學校的老師就跟研究生說我沒辦法跟你搶這個單位應該是這個數字有沒有一個大概的波及的範圍\n410221\t427827\t那位委員報告,那位委員的資格這部分大概以高有薄到國科會這種情況會比較多啦那公務機關基本上這種問題碰到的會比較少因為剛才說的,好好裡面一開始,你有些是擺專案的嘛\n428847\t453844\t阿有些是我用業務會去聘一些研究助理或者業用人員嘛阿他的進展為他自己再上升有可能的就是減聘啦減聘這個人數啦阿現在如果經費解凍以後他們會針對業務的需要性怕不怕有這個需要他可以去增加但是那個聘期本身就看六月開始就存請各位請各位開始就存啦\n458967\t487295\t可能跟這個主計總署啊 帶回去一下因為這個可能各單位都有一個依循嘛尤其就是說 之前沒聘的這樣的研究生啦這樣的走歷 這些相關用業務費支應的這個總是要有一個依據啦 也就是依據的說一個指引各單位在編這個錢的時候大家知道 原來我們可以把它補回來或者是可以延伸 或者是怎樣不然各單位啊 我知道很多公務同仁啊\n488015\t515932\t現在開始我們這裡解凍過之後 去到他的手裡的時候他還是問他 單位的財主人員說啊這個到底被弄掉那六個月啊 現在到底怎麼補回來所以待會去院裡頭 請這個主計總署給大家一個指引啦就是說以後這種費用 接下來這幾個月要怎麼處理啦好 我就同意 跟主計總署 我們跟他訂出一個概率出來讓大家來有一個共同的標準依選好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 我們請監察院秘書長還有人事行政總書人事長 謝謝請李秘書長 蘇人事長\n在詢問兩位之前今天在場所有的首長在凍結案裡頭我看到很多委員都有給一些要改進的意見要補充的資料書面報告\n譬如說像法務部,請你們改的東西非常多,要改進的東西很多那這些委員當時的建議,看起來都還蠻良善的所以請你們記得務必,這個委員給的建議,務必這個報告要好好寫,要做改進,這是第一個\n第二個,請問監察院的李秘書長,媒體都說你現在監察院想要的都沒帶記者,什麼委員、村盟什麼沒有郵局,有司機、有車沒有郵局,現在監察委員是都停擺了嗎?有在運作嗎?\n或是說影響很大 你的做法有很多的調整 業務的工作量有什麼改變嗎 跟大家講一下王議員報告 自從立法院刪除預算以後 我們業務費用被刪了96%所以我們現在很多費用是由監委自行出資 包括我們的郵費 都自己出資\n真的啦 保險費 這都自己出資另外我們堅持的原則就是憲法跟法律賦予我們的職責我們還是要做所以我們繼續繼續在這個艱苦的環境下我們希望維持這個監察院的順利運作那到目前為止我們的案量並沒有減少好 那第二請教一下財產申報\n因為我走進去的時候,因為他想要不去用台所以我又有辦法用網路,用自然人憑證炒菜就炒菜\n那現在也是這樣嗎現在還是要改手寫還是怎樣現在有困難因為監察院的這個所謂的所有的資訊系統都擺在我們的一般行政業務費用裡面那一般行政的業務費用全部被刪除所以我們現在維護系統有困難那如果現在財產申報的話恐怕要手動一本一本去刷簿子一本一本一筆那有可能啦\n阿不然我現在的系統就沒辦法頂替了那你怎麼會露寶給你發錢阿我也沒辦法我也沒希望這樣現實上最困難的其實是法務部跟司法院他們現在就開始在申報了所以他們現在叫苦連天那我們真的愛莫能助因為預算被砍掉啦\n你像我自己以前有做工讀生,去一間公司就叫我去開一個戶,薪水就放在裡面當然錢不多啦,可是我可能會漏報,當然這個稅太少啦,你如果不會怎麼樣啦可能裡面有幾萬塊、幾千塊在裡面,有時候有些數量很小,可是因為有這個系統\n大家很方便嘛我查下去之後政府跟我說我對不起我哪裡有什麼東西很清楚我跟王議員報告大家住的情形都一樣其實本來用自然冷憑證插進去你哪裡戶頭有多少錢都非常清楚\n那像我這樣常常調動職務的人我的帳戶很多,我自己都不記得你也不知道那個存摺是...存摺到底在哪裡,我要存在哪裡我不知道啊過去就自然而然就可以解決我們一筆一筆去聯絡各個銀行那現在因為這個系統的預算被刪除所以我們現在沒有辦法做維護的費用所以現在這個系統是停擺大家必須用手動去一筆一筆報\n所以你們現在這個預算是被刪除的,也不是凍結的?也不是凍結所以現在來的各個必須申報財產,有些要年度申報的,有些有異動要申報的就要手工來處理\nOK 好那接下來我請問一下人事總署的這個我們人事長因為我們今天就是說這個立院如果五六月把這個案子解掉了比如各部會案子解掉那因為裡面有一些預算\n有一些預算是裡面跟人有關的他的計算可能是人月譬如說各單位可能會有些委託研究計畫有一些委託學術機關 委託大學教授那他可能當時裡面有編這個行政助理啦 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這些相關用業務費支應的這個總是要有一個依據啦 也就是依據的說一個指引各單位在編這個錢的時候大家知道 原來我們可以把它補回來或者是可以延伸 或者是怎樣不然各單位啊 我知道很多公務同仁啊"},{"start":488.015,"end":515.932,"text":"現在開始我們這裡解凍過之後 去到他的手裡的時候他還是問他 單位的財主人員說啊這個到底被弄掉那六個月啊 現在到底怎麼補回來所以待會去院裡頭 請這個主計總署給大家一個指引啦就是說以後這種費用 接下來這幾個月要怎麼處理啦好 我就同意 跟主計總署 我們跟他訂出一個概率出來讓大家來有一個共同的標準依選好 謝謝好 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