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--> 00:00:45,937\n那這個問題啊當然因為我看次長報告跟司長報告啊也就是保持現有的這些條文那當然因為在本席的看法也就是通用計程車這個\n\n3\n00:00:48,516 --> 00:00:59,802\n言義良善但是跟事實有所出入的時候我們就不得不要研究如何來應對好接下來\n\n4\n00:01:03,364 --> 00:01:29,710\n這個當然城鄉差異很重要其實在六都裡面我認為沒有問題尤其台北市也完全沒有問題但是問題是出在城鄉偏遠的地方就會形成差異之非常大也就是六都適用法條不見得就適用城鄉差距的縣市\n\n5\n00:01:31,304 --> 00:01:54,900\n這點我想林市長你也同意這種看法市長你也同意這種看法嗎同意喔好我說實在的來進行下一張好這個啊老人比例比啊我要拜託市長跟兩位市長要稍微看一下聯名最高的縣市就包括\n\n6\n00:01:55,984 --> 00:02:24,229\n苗栗也就是嘉義縣是第一台北市是第二蘭頭是第三我們再來看一看到現在的車輛比的情況之下第一個沒有的地方蘭頭還有連江還有苗栗那這些為什麼沒有那沒有就是你這些通用計程車這些政策\n\n7\n00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:33,429\n一不露實二為什麼沒有但是他又存在一個問題像嘉義縣他又前審\n\n8\n00:02:35,478 --> 00:02:57,939\n人口比例最高的地方可是他的通用計程車的比例來看都集中在六都吧都集中在六都所以我為什麼剛剛就會跟兩位我們次長跟兩位司長要去做探討的有些法令是適用\n\n9\n00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:24,890\n六都的有些偏遠地區你根本沒有用可是依照法令來講你們也沒有錯可是問題確確實實這些縣市的車輛為什麼他人他人口比例高可是為什麼他又分不到所以這個問題是值得市長跟市長去做這些通盤考量\n\n10\n00:03:25,470 --> 00:03:51,181\n所以你在做這個報告的時候你說保持原來的36條之一的不動那當然因為以現在情況看起來六都沒有問題啊這法令是適用的啊可是偏嚴的縣市是不適用的啊那要不要在這個部分要來加應該要如何去處理下一張\n\n11\n00:03:53,669 --> 00:04:22,828\n所以啊我在想這是你們補助這是你們的政策那為什麼老人比例高的地方他為什麼得不到你們這些關愛這是對人家這個偏鄉的這些不公平的啊所以法令不足的地方法令不適用的地方要不要去修改把它加入複合這些縣市所需要的東西\n\n12\n00:04:24,690 --> 00:04:41,306\n市長我聽聽你的意見剛剛委員所提示的方向真的都蠻正確的確實就是說對於通用計程車基本上也是交通部推動的重點\n\n13\n00:04:43,348 --> 00:05:10,668\n對於高齡化的一個社會基本上就是通用計程車要來搭配這一個富岡巴士跟長照車輛把它重圍成一體來服務這些高齡的一個這個長輩那剛剛委員提到就是說有些縣市像這個南投雲林等等的部分其實這個縣市最重要的部分就是說如何讓地方政府帶領著這一個車行有意願來申請通用計程車那剛剛委員也提到一個重點因為確實這個\n\n14\n00:05:12,929 --> 00:05:37,823\n全台灣9萬多輛的計程車除了六都之外其實在其他縣市的一個這個部分這個數量相當相當的數量不會像六都這麼多那另外一個部分就是客源的一個客體啦所以我跟委員這個報告說重點就是在如何這個跟地方還有車廠這個合作有人願意來扮演這樣子的角色所以部裡面今年4月1號就把\n\n15\n00:05:38,383 --> 00:05:59,902\n這些以往就是說按趟這個一次補助50塊這樣定額的部分重新做檢討你的等待時間空時旅程像在縣市這個地方他可能這個車輛數不多但是空時旅程可能必須要從北港跑到哪邊那空時旅程這個部分都納入這個就是補助就是希望就是說\n\n16\n00:06:00,743 --> 00:06:18,013\n你通用計程車所提供的比一般計程車所需要付出去的成本這個部分其他部分都來補助然後通用計程車的數量基本上一定要搭配縣市的這個復康巴士共同整體來做考量\n\n17\n00:06:19,134 --> 00:06:32,907\n市長還有政事因為我常主張部長跟政事是在管政策但是這些法規研究可以凸顯一個問題也就是很多法令是適用六都\n\n18\n00:06:34,809 --> 00:06:50,346\n確確實實在整個偏鄉的地方真正需要的你們的法令是沒有把它涵蓋所以我要的就是林市長跟黃市長這裡你們兩師是最重要所以法令該檢討的該鼓勵的\n\n19\n00:06:52,108 --> 00:07:09,920\n你們既然有這個政策但是你們就拿了這個法令其他你們就不管那就會浪費你們補助他去做通用這些殘障也好啊或者弱勢團體老人家等等這個政策就只做三分之一啊\n\n20\n00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:33,540\n真正需要的人做不到可是不需要的人你們偏偏要去做那你如果要這樣像台北市最多啊500多輛啊可是問題台北市財力是最好的那為什麼會佔用這些補助你們都補助有錢人窮人你不去協調不去補助就代表你的政策是不落實的\n\n21\n00:07:34,881 --> 00:07:54,353\n這點我要提醒政治你們要去監督一下這個部分要好好研究一下那最後我用一點點時間也就是電動車的充電樁這個問題其實高樓大廈你們現在所有的法令就只有就只有\n\n22\n00:07:56,099 --> 00:08:14,107\n請他們開辦但是你們監督華澤這個部分是缺華的我要建議你們朝著這個方向也要自然有華澤安全的問題要跟那個消防署要趕快因為現在我在看啊\n\n23\n00:08:15,407 --> 00:08:41,142\n欸你們規定現在這個電動裝那裡面的防火蓋啊就只有做個表面喔我先跟你啟發一下根本沒有防火之效用這個要逼消防署要盡快去制定一些法則議題辦法所以我要的就是你們雖有法條\n\n24\n00:08:42,603 --> 00:08:57,948\n但是你們的監督跟整個華澤不明確的情況之下只有設立沒有監督跟沒有去預防這一點是比較給你一個建議就是還是要去研究一下好不好政治\n\n25\n00:08:59,369 --> 00:09:24,901\n剛才提到的有關電動窗的相關的安全也好或防火的安全也好這個呢因為都牽涉到是內政部或消防署等等的權責你們要主動啦你們要主動啦好不好我們會來跟他們協調和建議那另外我們了解那個其實內政部他也訂定了相關的一個指引來供地方政府來參考那經濟部也有相關的一個推薦好好拜託好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2381\t26128\t好 謝謝主席 請我們陳政次還有林市長 黃市長請黃市長我也好好 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