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00:02:09,227\n所以我們那個14天的叫召訊額那我們現在到底14天的這個叫召我們的訊額要到多少這件事情我們會現在會根據我們所需要的這個真正的一個動員的一個\n\n7\n00:02:11,448 --> 00:02:30,519\n數額我們會來做一個所謂的精密的一個認定之後來做一個比較精密的一個叫囂的一個把柱也就是說簡單講白話一點的話意思就是說我們現在各個部隊我們組織邊桩我們確實也在進行調整當中\n\n8\n00:02:34,361 --> 00:03:00,153\n那這些組織變裝調整之後所需要相關的這些後備的這些能力這些能力需要什麼樣的能力來補充第一階段那甚至到第二階段那這些比如說可能涉及到高專的可能涉及到一般步兵的那可能涉及到一些他或者我們現在會陸續獲得一些新式的裝備那些新式裝備我們把它訓練之後\n\n9\n00:03:03,374 --> 00:03:20,208\n以後退伍那退伍之後呢我們還在回來讓他熟訓這些部分都是我們現在正在努力的一個工作這個會不會動員力量的大幅的提升是現在一個非常緊迫的而且是一個很具有挑戰性的一個工作\n\n10\n00:03:20,988 --> 00:03:42,677\n那在這個招訓的整個流程上,如果後備軍人離營之後在民間有新增專長那是不是應該在年度辦理教召的這個之前,我們先進行調查然後在相關的資料上再去做更新那也可以向其他部會調閱相關的資料,並規劃相應的職務分配\n\n11\n00:03:46,198 --> 00:04:13,791\n那就這個後備軍人專長及時更新的這個機制我們去年國防部也曾經允諾會來改善那目前是不是已經有建置了我建置的部分是全動數稍微說委員好我是全動數署長有關於建置的部分我們目前在全動數我們有建置了一套後備動員管理系統一個資訊化的系統今年也有借接在\n\n12\n00:04:14,751 --> 00:04:39,486\nEMIC就是中央聯合應變中心裡面去借接然後我們會利用各部會跨部會的一個協調有關於後備軍人在民間所獲得的專長他會提供給我們介入我們這個系統然後他來叫召的時候我們也會來勾結他的專長那目前我們在這個機制上面的建立之後是不斷的在做更新\n\n13\n00:04:40,146 --> 00:05:04,353\n那另外在教召的時候我們當然會優先以他的君子專長為優先選中然後民間專長為輔來於補充所以說目前這個有關於選員的部分以及我們私訊的部分就是列管8到12年四次的教召的公平性我們都盡量做到公平公正好\n\n14\n00:05:06,089 --> 00:05:33,346\n好那另外就這個強化韌性的相關規劃我來就教部長行政院提出4100億的這個特別預算目前也在經濟委員會審查當中其中要強化國土安全韌性編列1500億內容包括強化台灣周邊的這個海域的安全監測另外還有提升資安防護以及建置各式的這種軍品物資還有興建巡防艦艇等等\n\n15\n00:05:34,006 --> 00:05:48,963\n來因應中共的日益平反的侵擾行為那其中有關強化國土安全任性的1500億是由國防部及海委會來辦理那部會之間各負責多少預算是否已經有定案我們現在負責的應該是1164億\n\n16\n00:05:53,068 --> 00:06:10,563\n這個部分那主要跟委員報告就是說我們主要在兩大塊的部分一個是資通的韌性環境我們資通的韌性環境的部分呢包括了這個居民資通作業環境韌性跟設備效能的提升然後也這個這個\n\n17\n00:06:15,580 --> 00:06:34,129\n然後還有指管系統韌性跟資安防護的擴充,然後還有軍民共同圖像系統健身能力還有一個作戰區的一個基礎設備的一個設施的提升,那這些對我們整個這個作戰指管這個韌性的提升呢\n\n18\n00:06:35,650 --> 00:06:50,582\n這個防衛作戰指管韌性的提升是有非常非常大的幫助那另外一個呢我們就是要這個就具有防護跟實用的庫儲跟保養的設施我們要來強化然後要來這個\n\n19\n00:06:53,444 --> 00:07:16,978\n來強化我們的重要的軍品物質零附件的這個囤存的能量那因應這一個我們獲得這個很多新式的裝備我們也需要這個良善的訓練環境來提升訓練的成效那這個都是我們現在所要負責的這些國安部所要承擔的這個在兩年多之內我們要完成的這些項目\n\n20\n00:07:19,226 --> 00:07:35,624\n我想請教部長,如果這個特別條例的審查,它會有兩種可能第一種可能就是照我們行政院版本通過,就有1500億的預算來強化我們國土安全的部分\n\n21\n00:07:36,264 --> 00:07:59,470\n那另外一個版本就是依照在野黨所提出的一個版本那可能就沒有通過就沒有一千五百億的部分那本次的這個特別條例有關強化任性的這個項目如果未能通過的話可能就要回歸到這個年度預算來因應對國防部在規劃上會不會有什麼樣的影響\n\n22\n00:08:00,790 --> 00:08:16,840\n跟委員報告因為我們以前受制於這個作業維持會的一個關係所以我們現在作業會都每年都有一定的額度所以我們將一些急需要提升的這個剛剛講的這個資通的這個韌性然後還有這個剛剛講的這些所有彈藥這些\n\n23\n00:08:26,883 --> 00:08:46,394\n相關的一些零附件重要軍品物資的這些庫存跟保養的這些設施還有訓練的場地我們本來都要往後來遞延那因為有這樣子的一個特別預算的這個部分我們就可以做整建然後做這個改善然後來提升這樣子\n\n24\n00:08:48,595 --> 00:08:56,080\n另外在媒體報導為了要達到國防部的預算要佔GDP的3%的承諾國防部對於美國的軍購會有另外編列一個預算並且會在下會期送交委員會審查\n\n25\n00:09:09,329 --> 00:09:28,659\n那國安部是否已經完成軍購案特別預算的一個規劃並且以提報給行政院那預算的額度大約會落在什麼樣的一個範圍這一點還沒有辦法跟委員做一個明白的一個數字上面的一個說明現在\n\n26\n00:09:32,003 --> 00:09:54,475\n這個部分還是以這個首要還是以建構不對稱站立然後強化防衛韌性那另外當然也會含著這個提設後備站立跟後置灰色地帶映出這個四個面向那現在很多部分呢我們要採取有軍購的有商購的也有自己的偽製案那這個部分我們是一個比較做一個\n\n27\n00:09:55,515 --> 00:10:08,820\n長年度的一個特別預算的規模那這些部分都整個扣緊我們未來所需要的關鍵的戰力所以這個部分還希望給我們一點時間我們要跟有盟國家來洽談\n\n28\n00:10:12,021 --> 00:10:33,418\n謝謝部長那強化國土的這個防衛能力是現在因應中共這個灰色侵擾的一個重中之重的一個部分我請國防部持續能夠向各黨的這個委員爭取支持讓預算能夠順利的通過以維持我們國家的一個這個長治久安謝謝謝謝部長是謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n589\t27068\t請顧部長部長早是陳委員首先就我們精進貨幣叫招的相關規劃來請教部長那從解凍案的報告書當中我們來看有關叫招目前執行的成效約有43%的代招人數接受召集\n28588\t56440\t反過來看就有57%的人在退伍之後沒有受過任何的訓練從今年開始會全面採取14天的教招依基幹人力補充的情形逐步來增加教招的元額照實際的動員和訓練資源來看後備軍人接受教招提升到多少占比\n57200\t69467\t是比較實際且理想的國防部有沒有設定一個這個基準的一個目標跟委員報告我們現在就這個第一個我們\n70959\t91771\t會逐步來擴增這個14天的一個教召的一個訓額因為我們認為14天的教召比較具有這個成效5至7天的這個教召呢不足以因應我們現在後備力量的這個提升這是第一點所以要把訓額也要從就是\n92371\t114240\t才14天的方式來把它增加那我們現在14天的教召的這個內容呢也不斷的一個精進我們從一開始他進來的時候我們會幫他做問卷那他對於這個他對於自己能夠作戰的這個信心度有多少到14天教召結束那一天來問的話整個比例大幅大幅的提升\n114700\t129227\t所以我們那個14天的叫召訊額那我們現在到底14天的這個叫召我們的訊額要到多少這件事情我們會現在會根據我們所需要的這個真正的一個動員的一個\n131448\t150519\t數額我們會來做一個所謂的精密的一個認定之後來做一個比較精密的一個叫囂的一個把柱也就是說簡單講白話一點的話意思就是說我們現在各個部隊我們組織邊桩我們確實也在進行調整當中\n154361\t180153\t那這些組織變裝調整之後所需要相關的這些後備的這些能力這些能力需要什麼樣的能力來補充第一階段那甚至到第二階段那這些比如說可能涉及到高專的可能涉及到一般步兵的那可能涉及到一些他或者我們現在會陸續獲得一些新式的裝備那些新式裝備我們把它訓練之後\n183374\t200208\t以後退伍那退伍之後呢我們還在回來讓他熟訓這些部分都是我們現在正在努力的一個工作這個會不會動員力量的大幅的提升是現在一個非常緊迫的而且是一個很具有挑戰性的一個工作\n200988\t222677\t那在這個招訓的整個流程上,如果後備軍人離營之後在民間有新增專長那是不是應該在年度辦理教召的這個之前,我們先進行調查然後在相關的資料上再去做更新那也可以向其他部會調閱相關的資料,並規劃相應的職務分配\n226198\t253791\t那就這個後備軍人專長及時更新的這個機制我們去年國防部也曾經允諾會來改善那目前是不是已經有建置了我建置的部分是全動數稍微說委員好我是全動數署長有關於建置的部分我們目前在全動數我們有建置了一套後備動員管理系統一個資訊化的系統今年也有借接在\n254751\t279486\tEMIC就是中央聯合應變中心裡面去借接然後我們會利用各部會跨部會的一個協調有關於後備軍人在民間所獲得的專長他會提供給我們介入我們這個系統然後他來叫召的時候我們也會來勾結他的專長那目前我們在這個機制上面的建立之後是不斷的在做更新\n280146\t304353\t那另外在教召的時候我們當然會優先以他的君子專長為優先選中然後民間專長為輔來於補充所以說目前這個有關於選員的部分以及我們私訊的部分就是列管8到12年四次的教召的公平性我們都盡量做到公平公正好\n306089\t333346\t好那另外就這個強化韌性的相關規劃我來就教部長行政院提出4100億的這個特別預算目前也在經濟委員會審查當中其中要強化國土安全韌性編列1500億內容包括強化台灣周邊的這個海域的安全監測另外還有提升資安防護以及建置各式的這種軍品物資還有興建巡防艦艇等等\n334006\t348963\t來因應中共的日益平反的侵擾行為那其中有關強化國土安全任性的1500億是由國防部及海委會來辦理那部會之間各負責多少預算是否已經有定案我們現在負責的應該是1164億\n353068\t370563\t這個部分那主要跟委員報告就是說我們主要在兩大塊的部分一個是資通的韌性環境我們資通的韌性環境的部分呢包括了這個居民資通作業環境韌性跟設備效能的提升然後也這個這個\n375580\t394129\t然後還有指管系統韌性跟資安防護的擴充,然後還有軍民共同圖像系統健身能力還有一個作戰區的一個基礎設備的一個設施的提升,那這些對我們整個這個作戰指管這個韌性的提升呢\n395650\t410582\t這個防衛作戰指管韌性的提升是有非常非常大的幫助那另外一個呢我們就是要這個就具有防護跟實用的庫儲跟保養的設施我們要來強化然後要來這個\n413444\t436978\t來強化我們的重要的軍品物質零附件的這個囤存的能量那因應這一個我們獲得這個很多新式的裝備我們也需要這個良善的訓練環境來提升訓練的成效那這個都是我們現在所要負責的這些國安部所要承擔的這個在兩年多之內我們要完成的這些項目\n439226\t455624\t我想請教部長,如果這個特別條例的審查,它會有兩種可能第一種可能就是照我們行政院版本通過,就有1500億的預算來強化我們國土安全的部分\n456264\t479470\t那另外一個版本就是依照在野黨所提出的一個版本那可能就沒有通過就沒有一千五百億的部分那本次的這個特別條例有關強化任性的這個項目如果未能通過的話可能就要回歸到這個年度預算來因應對國防部在規劃上會不會有什麼樣的影響\n480790\t496840\t跟委員報告因為我們以前受制於這個作業維持會的一個關係所以我們現在作業會都每年都有一定的額度所以我們將一些急需要提升的這個剛剛講的這個資通的這個韌性然後還有這個剛剛講的這些所有彈藥這些\n506883\t526394\t相關的一些零附件重要軍品物資的這些庫存跟保養的這些設施還有訓練的場地我們本來都要往後來遞延那因為有這樣子的一個特別預算的這個部分我們就可以做整建然後做這個改善然後來提升這樣子\n528595\t536080\t另外在媒體報導為了要達到國防部的預算要佔GDP的3%的承諾國防部對於美國的軍購會有另外編列一個預算並且會在下會期送交委員會審查\n549329\t568659\t那國安部是否已經完成軍購案特別預算的一個規劃並且以提報給行政院那預算的額度大約會落在什麼樣的一個範圍這一點還沒有辦法跟委員做一個明白的一個數字上面的一個說明現在\n572003\t594475\t這個部分還是以這個首要還是以建構不對稱站立然後強化防衛韌性那另外當然也會含著這個提設後備站立跟後置灰色地帶映出這個四個面向那現在很多部分呢我們要採取有軍購的有商購的也有自己的偽製案那這個部分我們是一個比較做一個\n595515\t608820\t長年度的一個特別預算的規模那這些部分都整個扣緊我們未來所需要的關鍵的戰力所以這個部分還希望給我們一點時間我們要跟有盟國家來洽談\n612021\t633418\t謝謝部長那強化國土的這個防衛能力是現在因應中共這個灰色侵擾的一個重中之重的一個部分我請國防部持續能夠向各黨的這個委員爭取支持讓預算能夠順利的通過以維持我們國家的一個這個長治久安謝謝 謝謝部長是 謝謝委員\n","txt":"請顧部長部長早是陳委員首先就我們精進貨幣叫招的相關規劃來請教部長那從解凍案的報告書當中我們來看有關叫招目前執行的成效約有43%的代招人數接受召集\n反過來看就有57%的人在退伍之後沒有受過任何的訓練從今年開始會全面採取14天的教招依基幹人力補充的情形逐步來增加教招的元額照實際的動員和訓練資源來看後備軍人接受教招提升到多少占比\n是比較實際且理想的國防部有沒有設定一個這個基準的一個目標跟委員報告我們現在就這個第一個我們\n會逐步來擴增這個14天的一個教召的一個訓額因為我們認為14天的教召比較具有這個成效5至7天的這個教召呢不足以因應我們現在後備力量的這個提升這是第一點所以要把訓額也要從就是\n才14天的方式來把它增加那我們現在14天的教召的這個內容呢也不斷的一個精進我們從一開始他進來的時候我們會幫他做問卷那他對於這個他對於自己能夠作戰的這個信心度有多少到14天教召結束那一天來問的話整個比例大幅大幅的提升\n所以我們那個14天的叫召訊額那我們現在到底14天的這個叫召我們的訊額要到多少這件事情我們會現在會根據我們所需要的這個真正的一個動員的一個\n數額我們會來做一個所謂的精密的一個認定之後來做一個比較精密的一個叫囂的一個把柱也就是說簡單講白話一點的話意思就是說我們現在各個部隊我們組織邊桩我們確實也在進行調整當中\n那這些組織變裝調整之後所需要相關的這些後備的這些能力這些能力需要什麼樣的能力來補充第一階段那甚至到第二階段那這些比如說可能涉及到高專的可能涉及到一般步兵的那可能涉及到一些他或者我們現在會陸續獲得一些新式的裝備那些新式裝備我們把它訓練之後\n以後退伍那退伍之後呢我們還在回來讓他熟訓這些部分都是我們現在正在努力的一個工作這個會不會動員力量的大幅的提升是現在一個非常緊迫的而且是一個很具有挑戰性的一個工作\n那在這個招訓的整個流程上,如果後備軍人離營之後在民間有新增專長那是不是應該在年度辦理教召的這個之前,我們先進行調查然後在相關的資料上再去做更新那也可以向其他部會調閱相關的資料,並規劃相應的職務分配\n那就這個後備軍人專長及時更新的這個機制我們去年國防部也曾經允諾會來改善那目前是不是已經有建置了我建置的部分是全動數稍微說委員好我是全動數署長有關於建置的部分我們目前在全動數我們有建置了一套後備動員管理系統一個資訊化的系統今年也有借接在\nEMIC就是中央聯合應變中心裡面去借接然後我們會利用各部會跨部會的一個協調有關於後備軍人在民間所獲得的專長他會提供給我們介入我們這個系統然後他來叫召的時候我們也會來勾結他的專長那目前我們在這個機制上面的建立之後是不斷的在做更新\n那另外在教召的時候我們當然會優先以他的君子專長為優先選中然後民間專長為輔來於補充所以說目前這個有關於選員的部分以及我們私訊的部分就是列管8到12年四次的教召的公平性我們都盡量做到公平公正好\n好那另外就這個強化韌性的相關規劃我來就教部長行政院提出4100億的這個特別預算目前也在經濟委員會審查當中其中要強化國土安全韌性編列1500億內容包括強化台灣周邊的這個海域的安全監測另外還有提升資安防護以及建置各式的這種軍品物資還有興建巡防艦艇等等\n來因應中共的日益平反的侵擾行為那其中有關強化國土安全任性的1500億是由國防部及海委會來辦理那部會之間各負責多少預算是否已經有定案我們現在負責的應該是1164億\n這個部分那主要跟委員報告就是說我們主要在兩大塊的部分一個是資通的韌性環境我們資通的韌性環境的部分呢包括了這個居民資通作業環境韌性跟設備效能的提升然後也這個這個\n然後還有指管系統韌性跟資安防護的擴充,然後還有軍民共同圖像系統健身能力還有一個作戰區的一個基礎設備的一個設施的提升,那這些對我們整個這個作戰指管這個韌性的提升呢\n這個防衛作戰指管韌性的提升是有非常非常大的幫助那另外一個呢我們就是要這個就具有防護跟實用的庫儲跟保養的設施我們要來強化然後要來這個\n來強化我們的重要的軍品物質零附件的這個囤存的能量那因應這一個我們獲得這個很多新式的裝備我們也需要這個良善的訓練環境來提升訓練的成效那這個都是我們現在所要負責的這些國安部所要承擔的這個在兩年多之內我們要完成的這些項目\n我想請教部長,如果這個特別條例的審查,它會有兩種可能第一種可能就是照我們行政院版本通過,就有1500億的預算來強化我們國土安全的部分\n那另外一個版本就是依照在野黨所提出的一個版本那可能就沒有通過就沒有一千五百億的部分那本次的這個特別條例有關強化任性的這個項目如果未能通過的話可能就要回歸到這個年度預算來因應對國防部在規劃上會不會有什麼樣的影響\n跟委員報告因為我們以前受制於這個作業維持會的一個關係所以我們現在作業會都每年都有一定的額度所以我們將一些急需要提升的這個剛剛講的這個資通的這個韌性然後還有這個剛剛講的這些所有彈藥這些\n相關的一些零附件重要軍品物資的這些庫存跟保養的這些設施還有訓練的場地我們本來都要往後來遞延那因為有這樣子的一個特別預算的這個部分我們就可以做整建然後做這個改善然後來提升這樣子\n另外在媒體報導為了要達到國防部的預算要佔GDP的3%的承諾國防部對於美國的軍購會有另外編列一個預算並且會在下會期送交委員會審查\n那國安部是否已經完成軍購案特別預算的一個規劃並且以提報給行政院那預算的額度大約會落在什麼樣的一個範圍這一點還沒有辦法跟委員做一個明白的一個數字上面的一個說明現在\n這個部分還是以這個首要還是以建構不對稱站立然後強化防衛韌性那另外當然也會含著這個提設後備站立跟後置灰色地帶映出這個四個面向那現在很多部分呢我們要採取有軍購的有商購的也有自己的偽製案那這個部分我們是一個比較做一個\n長年度的一個特別預算的規模那這些部分都整個扣緊我們未來所需要的關鍵的戰力所以這個部分還希望給我們一點時間我們要跟有盟國家來洽談\n謝謝部長那強化國土的這個防衛能力是現在因應中共這個灰色侵擾的一個重中之重的一個部分我請國防部持續能夠向各黨的這個委員爭取支持讓預算能夠順利的通過以維持我們國家的一個這個長治久安謝謝 謝謝部長是 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.589 --> 00:27.068\n請顧部長部長早是陳委員首先就我們精進貨幣叫招的相關規劃來請教部長那從解凍案的報告書當中我們來看有關叫招目前執行的成效約有43%的代招人數接受召集\n\n00:28.588 --> 00:56.440\n反過來看就有57%的人在退伍之後沒有受過任何的訓練從今年開始會全面採取14天的教招依基幹人力補充的情形逐步來增加教招的元額照實際的動員和訓練資源來看後備軍人接受教招提升到多少占比\n\n00:57.200 --> 01:09.467\n是比較實際且理想的國防部有沒有設定一個這個基準的一個目標跟委員報告我們現在就這個第一個我們\n\n01:10.959 --> 01:31.771\n會逐步來擴增這個14天的一個教召的一個訓額因為我們認為14天的教召比較具有這個成效5至7天的這個教召呢不足以因應我們現在後備力量的這個提升這是第一點所以要把訓額也要從就是\n\n01:32.371 --> 01:54.240\n才14天的方式來把它增加那我們現在14天的教召的這個內容呢也不斷的一個精進我們從一開始他進來的時候我們會幫他做問卷那他對於這個他對於自己能夠作戰的這個信心度有多少到14天教召結束那一天來問的話整個比例大幅大幅的提升\n\n01:54.700 --> 02:09.227\n所以我們那個14天的叫召訊額那我們現在到底14天的這個叫召我們的訊額要到多少這件事情我們會現在會根據我們所需要的這個真正的一個動員的一個\n\n02:11.448 --> 02:30.519\n數額我們會來做一個所謂的精密的一個認定之後來做一個比較精密的一個叫囂的一個把柱也就是說簡單講白話一點的話意思就是說我們現在各個部隊我們組織邊桩我們確實也在進行調整當中\n\n02:34.361 --> 03:00.153\n那這些組織變裝調整之後所需要相關的這些後備的這些能力這些能力需要什麼樣的能力來補充第一階段那甚至到第二階段那這些比如說可能涉及到高專的可能涉及到一般步兵的那可能涉及到一些他或者我們現在會陸續獲得一些新式的裝備那些新式裝備我們把它訓練之後\n\n03:03.374 --> 03:20.208\n以後退伍那退伍之後呢我們還在回來讓他熟訓這些部分都是我們現在正在努力的一個工作這個會不會動員力量的大幅的提升是現在一個非常緊迫的而且是一個很具有挑戰性的一個工作\n\n03:20.988 --> 03:42.677\n那在這個招訓的整個流程上,如果後備軍人離營之後在民間有新增專長那是不是應該在年度辦理教召的這個之前,我們先進行調查然後在相關的資料上再去做更新那也可以向其他部會調閱相關的資料,並規劃相應的職務分配\n\n03:46.198 --> 04:13.791\n那就這個後備軍人專長及時更新的這個機制我們去年國防部也曾經允諾會來改善那目前是不是已經有建置了我建置的部分是全動數稍微說委員好我是全動數署長有關於建置的部分我們目前在全動數我們有建置了一套後備動員管理系統一個資訊化的系統今年也有借接在\n\n04:14.751 --> 04:39.486\nEMIC就是中央聯合應變中心裡面去借接然後我們會利用各部會跨部會的一個協調有關於後備軍人在民間所獲得的專長他會提供給我們介入我們這個系統然後他來叫召的時候我們也會來勾結他的專長那目前我們在這個機制上面的建立之後是不斷的在做更新\n\n04:40.146 --> 05:04.353\n那另外在教召的時候我們當然會優先以他的君子專長為優先選中然後民間專長為輔來於補充所以說目前這個有關於選員的部分以及我們私訊的部分就是列管8到12年四次的教召的公平性我們都盡量做到公平公正好\n\n05:06.089 --> 05:33.346\n好那另外就這個強化韌性的相關規劃我來就教部長行政院提出4100億的這個特別預算目前也在經濟委員會審查當中其中要強化國土安全韌性編列1500億內容包括強化台灣周邊的這個海域的安全監測另外還有提升資安防護以及建置各式的這種軍品物資還有興建巡防艦艇等等\n\n05:34.006 --> 05:48.963\n來因應中共的日益平反的侵擾行為那其中有關強化國土安全任性的1500億是由國防部及海委會來辦理那部會之間各負責多少預算是否已經有定案我們現在負責的應該是1164億\n\n05:53.068 --> 06:10.563\n這個部分那主要跟委員報告就是說我們主要在兩大塊的部分一個是資通的韌性環境我們資通的韌性環境的部分呢包括了這個居民資通作業環境韌性跟設備效能的提升然後也這個這個\n\n06:15.580 --> 06:34.129\n然後還有指管系統韌性跟資安防護的擴充,然後還有軍民共同圖像系統健身能力還有一個作戰區的一個基礎設備的一個設施的提升,那這些對我們整個這個作戰指管這個韌性的提升呢\n\n06:35.650 --> 06:50.582\n這個防衛作戰指管韌性的提升是有非常非常大的幫助那另外一個呢我們就是要這個就具有防護跟實用的庫儲跟保養的設施我們要來強化然後要來這個\n\n06:53.444 --> 07:16.978\n來強化我們的重要的軍品物質零附件的這個囤存的能量那因應這一個我們獲得這個很多新式的裝備我們也需要這個良善的訓練環境來提升訓練的成效那這個都是我們現在所要負責的這些國安部所要承擔的這個在兩年多之內我們要完成的這些項目\n\n07:19.226 --> 07:35.624\n我想請教部長,如果這個特別條例的審查,它會有兩種可能第一種可能就是照我們行政院版本通過,就有1500億的預算來強化我們國土安全的部分\n\n07:36.264 --> 07:59.470\n那另外一個版本就是依照在野黨所提出的一個版本那可能就沒有通過就沒有一千五百億的部分那本次的這個特別條例有關強化任性的這個項目如果未能通過的話可能就要回歸到這個年度預算來因應對國防部在規劃上會不會有什麼樣的影響\n\n08:00.790 --> 08:16.840\n跟委員報告因為我們以前受制於這個作業維持會的一個關係所以我們現在作業會都每年都有一定的額度所以我們將一些急需要提升的這個剛剛講的這個資通的這個韌性然後還有這個剛剛講的這些所有彈藥這些\n\n08:26.883 --> 08:46.394\n相關的一些零附件重要軍品物資的這些庫存跟保養的這些設施還有訓練的場地我們本來都要往後來遞延那因為有這樣子的一個特別預算的這個部分我們就可以做整建然後做這個改善然後來提升這樣子\n\n08:48.595 --> 08:56.080\n另外在媒體報導為了要達到國防部的預算要佔GDP的3%的承諾國防部對於美國的軍購會有另外編列一個預算並且會在下會期送交委員會審查\n\n09:09.329 --> 09:28.659\n那國安部是否已經完成軍購案特別預算的一個規劃並且以提報給行政院那預算的額度大約會落在什麼樣的一個範圍這一點還沒有辦法跟委員做一個明白的一個數字上面的一個說明現在\n\n09:32.003 --> 09:54.475\n這個部分還是以這個首要還是以建構不對稱站立然後強化防衛韌性那另外當然也會含著這個提設後備站立跟後置灰色地帶映出這個四個面向那現在很多部分呢我們要採取有軍購的有商購的也有自己的偽製案那這個部分我們是一個比較做一個\n\n09:55.515 --> 10:08.820\n長年度的一個特別預算的規模那這些部分都整個扣緊我們未來所需要的關鍵的戰力所以這個部分還希望給我們一點時間我們要跟有盟國家來洽談\n\n10:12.021 --> 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