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00:03:14,818\n一個整理一個規範說明說哪些是不能同意釋出的那這一塊是屬於同意釋出的所以活化的話就是屬於同意釋出那我們釋出的程序第二點就是說跟委員報告我們釋出就是跟國產署然後他怎麼運用這個就是由行政院他們來決定一定以後我們能夠拿到的就是相關的收益要歸給\n\n10\n00:03:15,778 --> 00:03:44,101\n但是因為它如果是大型的比如說它新建聯醫像這樣的醫療院區我想國防部還是有必要去向他們了解一下因為這樣的話這個對整個台北市或者是說對國防部的土地那其實呢都大家應該要多去了解那另外呢我想要詢問的是有關於抗彈板新一代抗彈板是PE板跟陶瓷片組成的那我們全軍16億的陶瓷片標案進度到哪邊了\n\n11\n00:03:46,414 --> 00:04:13,395\n跟委員報告我們陶瓷片我們國內的一個製產的佔百分之六十國外的由韓國進口的佔百分之四十目前第一批交貨各五千片目前都在依照委員的指導在大湖濱做原料的設計目前兩家都合格目前正在製作抗氮板的過程正在做量產的作業所以1月18號絕標的部分是哪一個部分\n\n12\n00:04:14,213 --> 00:04:33,279\n1月8號決標的就是國內跟國外的國內跟國外的嘛有國內生產的這樣百分之六十因為之前大家不分黨派都對於抗彈板它的各裝防護力是比較有疑慮的所以我們希望軍愛民民進軍都希望能夠抗彈板如果今天真的上戰場的話\n\n13\n00:04:34,279 --> 00:05:00,465\n在之前是有檢驗合格的而且是這個第三方的檢驗專業的檢驗那如果說上戰場的話也才能夠保護我們國軍的性命那我想要請問一下目前我們呢有沒有這個經過TAF的認證單位跟委員說明委員上次的指導我們在2月8號都已經經過TAF的認證整個大無兵的部分已經完成了\n\n14\n00:05:01,068 --> 00:05:04,093\n你們是在哪邊做認證的在大福濱宜蘭大福濱的市場那請問軍備局的規格檢測中心這個宜蘭大福濱的市場是在今年的幾月幾號取得的\n\n15\n00:05:18,291 --> 00:05:35,837\n是在幾號2月8號2月8號取得的嗎那陶瓷片絕標之前的樣品測試的單位是在執行單位是在哪裡原本在205現在1到5圓的直倒了所有的偶後的量產的每一批的交貨都在大湖濱\n\n16\n00:05:36,297 --> 00:05:40,379\n好所以呢絕標前的樣品執行檢測單位在205廠那是後續每批交貨都在大福兵所以只有只有這個絕標前的樣品是在205廠但是到時候拿去使用的都要在這個宜蘭大福兵的市場\n\n17\n00:05:57,549 --> 00:06:16,827\n所以1月8號決標的這整批都會在2月8號取得的這個宜蘭大福賓的市場去做TAF的檢測是嗎?是,沒錯好,那最後我想要問的是有關於EWE的民間專長的應用那因為時間不夠的關係我就簡單跟這個院長說明我的想法就好了\n\n18\n00:06:17,347 --> 00:06:27,313\n那就是目前一年期的EOE的藝男人才那他可能在服役期間他有具備特殊專長或證照的那其實我們的所學證照參加專業領選的部分有13類跟139項我們細講時間的關係那裡面包含是有醫情項目那有醫學系護理系專長的背景\n\n19\n00:06:39,481 --> 00:06:58,796\n會被派到軍醫局軍醫院跟國防醫學院的衛訓中心那我們了解到很多人都是反應說他們到這個相關的單位之後都是只能做助手或者是說被現場當人手那因為一年期那他們就很像是只會打雜匠這樣的一個性質\n\n20\n00:06:59,557 --> 00:07:17,345\n但是我們先前大家也都有談到就是說我們在人力上面或者是說我們在講說國防的韌性上面那這些一年級的151如果說他能夠學習到更多如果說能夠給他更多的一些任務的話那對於包含是急救、戰傷救護的推展\n\n21\n00:07:17,705 --> 00:07:32,340\n那我們的軍醫體系都對所有的作戰負傷有特別的相關的課程然後讓有醫情專業的背景一南進到軍中我覺得呢會是一個對全民國防任性都有幫助的一個方案那這個部分就請院長多做參考\n\n22\n00:07:33,321 --> 00:07:51,116\n跟委員報告簡單,第一點就是說因為現在來服役的都還是18歲的還沒有這個具有地令啊服役物業是18歲以上現在因為我們去年才開始嘛所以現在有時候之後啊有時候他講的就是之後\n\n23\n00:07:54,799 --> 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薛恩好您早安請教部長在台北市松山區有一塊光復北路跟民權東路四段交叉口的松南營區它是空軍慈恩的26村目前它是一塊閒置用地從圖上可以看到我想要問一下國防部接下來對這一塊地的規劃是什麼\n35113\t59253\t這個是屬於列入我們活化的部分我請金貝局長說沒問題來金貝局跟委員說明松南營區大概土地是3.3公頃目前我們是內陸我們的一個活化的一個清澈我們一定在年底之前會交給國產署來做活化做活化那你們有沒有去了解所謂活化它的內容方向是什麼\n59953\t79622\t國化目前我們大塊的土地我們依照政策的指導都不直接賣掉都是用地上選的設計我們最高會設定70年的地上選的一個標案那請問有其他單位來找過國防部來洽詢實用過或者是有私人相關的單位來徵詢過嗎目前沒有\n81523\t98690\t目前沒有所以這個地方有可能會未來移交給台北市政府那去興建聯一的心願區嗎我的了解我們是跟國產署來進行架構你給國產署之後那國防部也要知道國產署後續的規劃是什麼\n101171\t117157\t國安署後續的規劃他會將相關的收益都會給我們然後放入影改基金對對對我知道但是我的意思是說國防部在這個地方呢那你們有沒有相關的了解因為如果假設是說建聯義心願區或者是說呢那這個輝達執行長黃仁勳他預計要抵台那他有傳聞說他們會去選企業總部像這種大型的這個可能的興建案那\n129181\t148881\t他不光是說郭參署這邊他下去決定我們也應該要提前知道說他有什麼樣的一個可能未來的發展可能性而不只是活化嘛所以我的意思是說我們有沒有整個大型的規劃向郭參署那邊去了解還是目前是沒有的一個狀態我稍微解釋兩點第一點就是我們活化的意思就是說\n149662\t165498\t我們會盤整整個所有我們國防部現在所有相關的一些基地那我們也要求就是說如果有相關未來有用途的我們這個就不能夠釋出那我們也已經規劃了一些相關我們不同意釋出的這些做了一個\n169802\t194818\t一個整理一個規範說明說哪些是不能同意釋出的那這一塊是屬於同意釋出的所以活化的話就是屬於同意釋出那我們釋出的程序第二點就是說跟委員報告我們釋出就是跟國產署然後他怎麼運用這個就是由行政院他們來決定一定以後我們能夠拿到的就是相關的收益要歸給\n195778\t224101\t但是因為它如果是大型的比如說它新建聯醫像這樣的醫療院區我想國防部還是有必要去向他們了解一下因為這樣的話這個對整個台北市或者是說對國防部的土地那其實呢都大家應該要多去了解那另外呢我想要詢問的是有關於抗彈板新一代抗彈板是PE板跟陶瓷片組成的那我們全軍16億的陶瓷片標案進度到哪邊了\n226414\t253395\t跟委員報告我們陶瓷片我們國內的一個製產的佔百分之六十國外的由韓國進口的佔百分之四十目前第一批交貨各五千片目前都在依照委員的指導在大湖濱做原料的設計目前兩家都合格目前正在製作抗氮板的過程正在做量產的作業所以1月18號絕標的部分是哪一個部分\n254213\t273279\t1月8號決標的就是國內跟國外的國內跟國外的嘛有國內生產的這樣百分之六十因為之前大家不分黨派都對於抗彈板它的各裝防護力是比較有疑慮的所以我們希望軍愛民 民進軍都希望能夠抗彈板如果今天真的上戰場的話\n274279\t300465\t在之前是有檢驗合格的而且是這個第三方的檢驗專業的檢驗那如果說上戰場的話也才能夠保護我們國軍的性命那我想要請問一下目前我們呢有沒有這個經過TAF的認證單位跟委員說明委員上次的指導我們在2月8號都已經經過TAF的認證整個大無兵的部分已經完成了\n301068\t304093\t你們是在哪邊做認證的在大福濱宜蘭大福濱的市場那請問軍備局的規格檢測中心這個宜蘭大福濱的市場是在今年的幾月幾號取得的\n318291\t335837\t是在幾號2月8號2月8號取得的嗎那陶瓷片絕標之前的樣品測試的單位是在執行單位是在哪裡原本在205現在1到5圓的直倒了所有的偶後的量產的每一批的交貨都在大湖濱\n336297\t340379\t好所以呢 絕標前的樣品執行檢測單位在205廠那是後續每批交貨都在大福兵所以只有只有這個絕標前的樣品是在205廠但是到時候拿去使用的都要在這個宜蘭大福兵的市場\n357549\t376827\t所以1月8號決標的這整批都會在2月8號取得的這個宜蘭大福賓的市場去做TAF的檢測是嗎?是,沒錯好,那最後我想要問的是有關於EWE的民間專長的應用那因為時間不夠的關係我就簡單跟這個院長說明我的想法就好了\n377347\t387313\t那就是目前一年期的EOE的藝男人才那他可能在服役期間他有具備特殊專長或證照的那其實我們的所學證照參加專業領選的部分有13類跟139項我們細講時間的關係那裡面包含是有醫情項目那有醫學系護理系專長的背景\n399481\t418796\t會被派到軍醫局軍醫院跟國防醫學院的衛訓中心那我們了解到很多人都是反應說他們到這個相關的單位之後都是只能做助手或者是說被現場當人手那因為一年期那他們就很像是只會打雜匠這樣的一個性質\n419557\t437345\t但是我們先前大家也都有談到就是說我們在人力上面或者是說我們在講說國防的韌性上面那這些一年級的151如果說他能夠學習到更多如果說能夠給他更多的一些任務的話那對於包含是急救、戰傷救護的推展\n437705\t452340\t那我們的軍醫體系都對所有的作戰負傷有特別的相關的課程然後讓有醫情專業的背景一南進到軍中我覺得呢會是一個對全民國防任性都有幫助的一個方案那這個部分就請院長多做參考\n453321\t471116\t跟委員報告簡單,第一點就是說因為現在來服役的都還是18歲的還沒有這個具有地令啊服役物業是18歲以上現在因為我們去年才開始嘛所以現在有時候之後啊有時候他講的就是之後\n474799\t486424\t因為現在來扶義務役的都是高中畢業的因為如果你還要扶大學的話因為我們從去年才開始是啊所以還要再幾年之後可能會更具幾年之後他就會有有一些專長這是第一點第二點以後這些\n490685\t505777\t相關的這些醫護我們會根據他的相關專長會選材然後同時我們在所有的其實相關的各部隊我們現在也要求就是說在各工作單位裡邊也都要有相關的這些人員才能夠自救護救這些\n508359\t531695\t我想這些都我們在進行規劃當中好 那麻煩就是我們希望說未來在這個選裁取裁的部分就算它是一年期的義務役那也希望能夠分發到各單位的時候有更實際的學習跟協助那這對於未來如果有國防安全韌性的時候能夠更加派上勇將各項的專業 高專的部門可以培養好 謝謝\n","txt":"我們有請顧立雄 顧部長\n是 薛恩好您早安請教部長在台北市松山區有一塊光復北路跟民權東路四段交叉口的松南營區它是空軍慈恩的26村目前它是一塊閒置用地從圖上可以看到我想要問一下國防部接下來對這一塊地的規劃是什麼\n這個是屬於列入我們活化的部分我請金貝局長說沒問題來金貝局跟委員說明松南營區大概土地是3.3公頃目前我們是內陸我們的一個活化的一個清澈我們一定在年底之前會交給國產署來做活化做活化那你們有沒有去了解所謂活化它的內容方向是什麼\n國化目前我們大塊的土地我們依照政策的指導都不直接賣掉都是用地上選的設計我們最高會設定70年的地上選的一個標案那請問有其他單位來找過國防部來洽詢實用過或者是有私人相關的單位來徵詢過嗎目前沒有\n目前沒有所以這個地方有可能會未來移交給台北市政府那去興建聯一的心願區嗎我的了解我們是跟國產署來進行架構你給國產署之後那國防部也要知道國產署後續的規劃是什麼\n國安署後續的規劃他會將相關的收益都會給我們然後放入影改基金對對對我知道但是我的意思是說國防部在這個地方呢那你們有沒有相關的了解因為如果假設是說建聯義心願區或者是說呢那這個輝達執行長黃仁勳他預計要抵台那他有傳聞說他們會去選企業總部像這種大型的這個可能的興建案那\n他不光是說郭參署這邊他下去決定我們也應該要提前知道說他有什麼樣的一個可能未來的發展可能性而不只是活化嘛所以我的意思是說我們有沒有整個大型的規劃向郭參署那邊去了解還是目前是沒有的一個狀態我稍微解釋兩點第一點就是我們活化的意思就是說\n我們會盤整整個所有我們國防部現在所有相關的一些基地那我們也要求就是說如果有相關未來有用途的我們這個就不能夠釋出那我們也已經規劃了一些相關我們不同意釋出的這些做了一個\n一個整理一個規範說明說哪些是不能同意釋出的那這一塊是屬於同意釋出的所以活化的話就是屬於同意釋出那我們釋出的程序第二點就是說跟委員報告我們釋出就是跟國產署然後他怎麼運用這個就是由行政院他們來決定一定以後我們能夠拿到的就是相關的收益要歸給\n但是因為它如果是大型的比如說它新建聯醫像這樣的醫療院區我想國防部還是有必要去向他們了解一下因為這樣的話這個對整個台北市或者是說對國防部的土地那其實呢都大家應該要多去了解那另外呢我想要詢問的是有關於抗彈板新一代抗彈板是PE板跟陶瓷片組成的那我們全軍16億的陶瓷片標案進度到哪邊了\n跟委員報告我們陶瓷片我們國內的一個製產的佔百分之六十國外的由韓國進口的佔百分之四十目前第一批交貨各五千片目前都在依照委員的指導在大湖濱做原料的設計目前兩家都合格目前正在製作抗氮板的過程正在做量產的作業所以1月18號絕標的部分是哪一個部分\n1月8號決標的就是國內跟國外的國內跟國外的嘛有國內生產的這樣百分之六十因為之前大家不分黨派都對於抗彈板它的各裝防護力是比較有疑慮的所以我們希望軍愛民 民進軍都希望能夠抗彈板如果今天真的上戰場的話\n在之前是有檢驗合格的而且是這個第三方的檢驗專業的檢驗那如果說上戰場的話也才能夠保護我們國軍的性命那我想要請問一下目前我們呢有沒有這個經過TAF的認證單位跟委員說明委員上次的指導我們在2月8號都已經經過TAF的認證整個大無兵的部分已經完成了\n你們是在哪邊做認證的在大福濱宜蘭大福濱的市場那請問軍備局的規格檢測中心這個宜蘭大福濱的市場是在今年的幾月幾號取得的\n是在幾號2月8號2月8號取得的嗎那陶瓷片絕標之前的樣品測試的單位是在執行單位是在哪裡原本在205現在1到5圓的直倒了所有的偶後的量產的每一批的交貨都在大湖濱\n好所以呢 絕標前的樣品執行檢測單位在205廠那是後續每批交貨都在大福兵所以只有只有這個絕標前的樣品是在205廠但是到時候拿去使用的都要在這個宜蘭大福兵的市場\n所以1月8號決標的這整批都會在2月8號取得的這個宜蘭大福賓的市場去做TAF的檢測是嗎?是,沒錯好,那最後我想要問的是有關於EWE的民間專長的應用那因為時間不夠的關係我就簡單跟這個院長說明我的想法就好了\n那就是目前一年期的EOE的藝男人才那他可能在服役期間他有具備特殊專長或證照的那其實我們的所學證照參加專業領選的部分有13類跟139項我們細講時間的關係那裡面包含是有醫情項目那有醫學系護理系專長的背景\n會被派到軍醫局軍醫院跟國防醫學院的衛訓中心那我們了解到很多人都是反應說他們到這個相關的單位之後都是只能做助手或者是說被現場當人手那因為一年期那他們就很像是只會打雜匠這樣的一個性質\n但是我們先前大家也都有談到就是說我們在人力上面或者是說我們在講說國防的韌性上面那這些一年級的151如果說他能夠學習到更多如果說能夠給他更多的一些任務的話那對於包含是急救、戰傷救護的推展\n那我們的軍醫體系都對所有的作戰負傷有特別的相關的課程然後讓有醫情專業的背景一南進到軍中我覺得呢會是一個對全民國防任性都有幫助的一個方案那這個部分就請院長多做參考\n跟委員報告簡單,第一點就是說因為現在來服役的都還是18歲的還沒有這個具有地令啊服役物業是18歲以上現在因為我們去年才開始嘛所以現在有時候之後啊有時候他講的就是之後\n因為現在來扶義務役的都是高中畢業的因為如果你還要扶大學的話因為我們從去年才開始是啊所以還要再幾年之後可能會更具幾年之後他就會有有一些專長這是第一點第二點以後這些\n相關的這些醫護我們會根據他的相關專長會選材然後同時我們在所有的其實相關的各部隊我們現在也要求就是說在各工作單位裡邊也都要有相關的這些人員才能夠自救護救這些\n我想這些都我們在進行規劃當中好 那麻煩就是我們希望說未來在這個選裁取裁的部分就算它是一年期的義務役那也希望能夠分發到各單位的時候有更實際的學習跟協助那這對於未來如果有國防安全韌性的時候能夠更加派上勇將各項的專業 高專的部門可以培養好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.210 --> 00:01.539\n我們有請顧立雄顧部長\n\n00:08.365 --> 00:31.114\n是薛恩好您早安請教部長在台北市松山區有一塊光復北路跟民權東路四段交叉口的松南營區它是空軍慈恩的26村目前它是一塊閒置用地從圖上可以看到我想要問一下國防部接下來對這一塊地的規劃是什麼\n\n00:35.113 --> 00:59.253\n這個是屬於列入我們活化的部分我請金貝局長說沒問題來金貝局跟委員說明松南營區大概土地是3.3公頃目前我們是內陸我們的一個活化的一個清澈我們一定在年底之前會交給國產署來做活化做活化那你們有沒有去了解所謂活化它的內容方向是什麼\n\n00:59.953 --> 01:19.622\n國化目前我們大塊的土地我們依照政策的指導都不直接賣掉都是用地上選的設計我們最高會設定70年的地上選的一個標案那請問有其他單位來找過國防部來洽詢實用過或者是有私人相關的單位來徵詢過嗎目前沒有\n\n01:21.523 --> 01:38.690\n目前沒有所以這個地方有可能會未來移交給台北市政府那去興建聯一的心願區嗎我的了解我們是跟國產署來進行架構你給國產署之後那國防部也要知道國產署後續的規劃是什麼\n\n01:41.171 --> 01:57.157\n國安署後續的規劃他會將相關的收益都會給我們然後放入影改基金對對對我知道但是我的意思是說國防部在這個地方呢那你們有沒有相關的了解因為如果假設是說建聯義心願區或者是說呢那這個輝達執行長黃仁勳他預計要抵台那他有傳聞說他們會去選企業總部像這種大型的這個可能的興建案那\n\n02:09.181 --> 02:28.881\n他不光是說郭參署這邊他下去決定我們也應該要提前知道說他有什麼樣的一個可能未來的發展可能性而不只是活化嘛所以我的意思是說我們有沒有整個大型的規劃向郭參署那邊去了解還是目前是沒有的一個狀態我稍微解釋兩點第一點就是我們活化的意思就是說\n\n02:29.662 --> 02:45.498\n我們會盤整整個所有我們國防部現在所有相關的一些基地那我們也要求就是說如果有相關未來有用途的我們這個就不能夠釋出那我們也已經規劃了一些相關我們不同意釋出的這些做了一個\n\n02:49.802 --> 03:14.818\n一個整理一個規範說明說哪些是不能同意釋出的那這一塊是屬於同意釋出的所以活化的話就是屬於同意釋出那我們釋出的程序第二點就是說跟委員報告我們釋出就是跟國產署然後他怎麼運用這個就是由行政院他們來決定一定以後我們能夠拿到的就是相關的收益要歸給\n\n03:15.778 --> 03:44.101\n但是因為它如果是大型的比如說它新建聯醫像這樣的醫療院區我想國防部還是有必要去向他們了解一下因為這樣的話這個對整個台北市或者是說對國防部的土地那其實呢都大家應該要多去了解那另外呢我想要詢問的是有關於抗彈板新一代抗彈板是PE板跟陶瓷片組成的那我們全軍16億的陶瓷片標案進度到哪邊了\n\n03:46.414 --> 04:13.395\n跟委員報告我們陶瓷片我們國內的一個製產的佔百分之六十國外的由韓國進口的佔百分之四十目前第一批交貨各五千片目前都在依照委員的指導在大湖濱做原料的設計目前兩家都合格目前正在製作抗氮板的過程正在做量產的作業所以1月18號絕標的部分是哪一個部分\n\n04:14.213 --> 04:33.279\n1月8號決標的就是國內跟國外的國內跟國外的嘛有國內生產的這樣百分之六十因為之前大家不分黨派都對於抗彈板它的各裝防護力是比較有疑慮的所以我們希望軍愛民民進軍都希望能夠抗彈板如果今天真的上戰場的話\n\n04:34.279 --> 05:00.465\n在之前是有檢驗合格的而且是這個第三方的檢驗專業的檢驗那如果說上戰場的話也才能夠保護我們國軍的性命那我想要請問一下目前我們呢有沒有這個經過TAF的認證單位跟委員說明委員上次的指導我們在2月8號都已經經過TAF的認證整個大無兵的部分已經完成了\n\n05:01.068 --> 05:04.093\n你們是在哪邊做認證的在大福濱宜蘭大福濱的市場那請問軍備局的規格檢測中心這個宜蘭大福濱的市場是在今年的幾月幾號取得的\n\n05:18.291 --> 05:35.837\n是在幾號2月8號2月8號取得的嗎那陶瓷片絕標之前的樣品測試的單位是在執行單位是在哪裡原本在205現在1到5圓的直倒了所有的偶後的量產的每一批的交貨都在大湖濱\n\n05:36.297 --> 05:40.379\n好所以呢絕標前的樣品執行檢測單位在205廠那是後續每批交貨都在大福兵所以只有只有這個絕標前的樣品是在205廠但是到時候拿去使用的都要在這個宜蘭大福兵的市場\n\n05:57.549 --> 06:16.827\n所以1月8號決標的這整批都會在2月8號取得的這個宜蘭大福賓的市場去做TAF的檢測是嗎?是,沒錯好,那最後我想要問的是有關於EWE的民間專長的應用那因為時間不夠的關係我就簡單跟這個院長說明我的想法就好了\n\n06:17.347 --> 06:27.313\n那就是目前一年期的EOE的藝男人才那他可能在服役期間他有具備特殊專長或證照的那其實我們的所學證照參加專業領選的部分有13類跟139項我們細講時間的關係那裡面包含是有醫情項目那有醫學系護理系專長的背景\n\n06:39.481 --> 06:58.796\n會被派到軍醫局軍醫院跟國防醫學院的衛訓中心那我們了解到很多人都是反應說他們到這個相關的單位之後都是只能做助手或者是說被現場當人手那因為一年期那他們就很像是只會打雜匠這樣的一個性質\n\n06:59.557 --> 07:17.345\n但是我們先前大家也都有談到就是說我們在人力上面或者是說我們在講說國防的韌性上面那這些一年級的151如果說他能夠學習到更多如果說能夠給他更多的一些任務的話那對於包含是急救、戰傷救護的推展\n\n07:17.705 --> 07:32.340\n那我們的軍醫體系都對所有的作戰負傷有特別的相關的課程然後讓有醫情專業的背景一南進到軍中我覺得呢會是一個對全民國防任性都有幫助的一個方案那這個部分就請院長多做參考\n\n07:33.321 --> 07:51.116\n跟委員報告簡單,第一點就是說因為現在來服役的都還是18歲的還沒有這個具有地令啊服役物業是18歲以上現在因為我們去年才開始嘛所以現在有時候之後啊有時候他講的就是之後\n\n07:54.799 --> 08:06.424\n因為現在來扶義務役的都是高中畢業的因為如果你還要扶大學的話因為我們從去年才開始是啊所以還要再幾年之後可能會更具幾年之後他就會有有一些專長這是第一點第二點以後這些\n\n08:10.685 --> 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