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00:04:39,131\n我們在軍事維修的基地在亞洲其實是數一數二的曾經有這個專家透露說台灣是亞洲航空界維修如果說是排第二的話沒有人敢說是第一那這個部分你怎麼評論的本身現在是針對航空的部分我們有沒有可以有一些談判的籌碼之類的\n\n14\n00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:57,018\n美國、韓國、日本有軍艦,那我們航空的部分呢?就我的理解一直到現在為止,美國應該沒有將他的戰機所有這些最關鍵的,比如說發動機\n\n15\n00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:26,776\n或者是這些射控雷達等等交給任何一個國家來進行維修所以部分的話我們沒有著力點就對了就我的瞭解這個部分他還沒有釋出給任何一個國家就算一些零組件的話其實對他來講的話航空的部分他也覺得還是他一些最關鍵的剛剛講的比如說發動機裡面的這些相關模組化的一個組件或者是這些雷達的\n\n16\n00:05:27,851 --> 00:05:50,606\n這些組件他這個部分是列為他的應該是沒有交我的了解應該沒有交給世界上任何一個國家來進行OK那再來的話就是我們要提到就是剛剛結束的就是美國跟菲律賓所舉辦的這個兼並兼的這個演習那我們可以發現說這一兩年呢參加的夥伴國是越來越多那\n\n17\n00:05:52,087 --> 00:06:16,775\n這兩年我們也發現說其實他演習的範圍也都已經有在擴大那這一次我們還發現說他的演習地點甚至包含了鄰近台灣的禮宋島的這個北部那這也就是顯示了台海安全的這個重要性那過去呢我曾經有看過一篇報導就是說有個媒體就有透露說我們曾經很低調的參與了美國跟泰國的金眼鏡蛇演習那我們有沒有機會就是說來爭取\n\n18\n00:06:18,616 --> 00:06:23,740\n參與這個兼併間演習的這個或者是我們以這個觀察員的身份來參加這個兼併間的演習我們有機會嗎請問這個部分委員我覺得我沒有辦法在這裡跟委員做這個無法公開說明\n\n19\n00:06:35,931 --> 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