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00:03:01,953\n那我們就要從中學習啊他們現在講的每一個宣傳同時也可能把他們的戰術給揭露啊這部分部長可不可以簡單的回應一下到底有沒有類似這樣的情況我們現在目前掌握到的是什麼有沒有跟法國方面來掌握有沒有跟印度方面來掌握\n\n9\n00:03:02,614 --> 00:03:27,012\n有沒有做這些動作我想跟委員報告我想我們對於中共所有的這個新式武器的裝備我們都持續掌握而且我們從台海的這些情勢他們相關的這些進行操演或者進行訓練我們都從這個地方會得到我們對敵可能行動在台海這個部分我們要如何應處這個我們都是來做\n\n10\n00:03:27,532 --> 00:03:43,265\n那空戰的這個部分呢我想也是如此也就是說他要如何透過不同的一個相關的指管作為然後來進行有效的一些打擊這些部分也是在我們的持續的密駐當中那我們也會相關的有一些戰術的因應作為那因為詳細的狀況我覺得我們\n\n11\n00:03:48,223 --> 00:04:05,826\n不適合在這個地方做我們其實是我只是說他們都有跟我做一些從文的報告但是我不認為我適合在這個地方做一個公開的一個說明好沒關係我只是要讓國防部有確切知道說到底發生了什麼事情因為我知道這個訊息都是\n\n12\n00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:32,098\n有時候是彼此矛盾的在法國的法方跟我們講的我們在法國法國那邊辦事處的跟我們在國安局的那我們收集的資料可能沒有百分之百全部一致吻合所以必須要核實那到時候才知道說哪一方得到的情報是最真實的我只能夠說我們跟相關的這些國家都會有這些有關的請示的一個交換但是\n\n13\n00:04:32,538 --> 00:04:52,569\n我想確切的情況可能不適宜在這裡做過的說明我沒有要跟我講確確的情況我只是把這個方針講出來我希望說注意宣傳站這是第一個那就是同時注意宣傳站的部分的原因就是說不可以說就是讓他們一直講但是我們沒有用事實來去做區分什麼是事實什麼是宣傳\n\n14\n00:04:53,570 --> 00:05:11,201\n那什麼是對我們自己國家的自信這三個是不同的東西那我還是希望說有自信的面對中國的武器系統的提升不把它當成是垃圾我知道現在很多人就是把他們這個西方那個中國是紙奧夫或者是中國人會說西方是紙奧夫都不是\n\n15\n00:05:12,262 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