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00:02:51,163\n這個廢棄葉片退役是這樣嗎那這些東西又沒辦法回收那國外是一般是粉碎來掩埋那台灣土地這麼小垃圾現在都還沒有辦法處理那我們未來的處理方式會怎麼樣\n\n9\n00:02:52,244 --> 00:03:16,855\n報告委員其實現在當然有一些處理的方式因為當時對於管制這個並沒有那麼嚴格我們現在正在修相關的法例例如說支援循環的推動法我們希望下個會期送到立法院其實未來針對這樣的不管是太陽能或是風機它要預先的去做處理所以目前來說的話我們大概是可以把它變成透過水泥窯的燃燒變成一種低碳水泥\n\n10\n00:03:17,615 --> 00:03:44,056\n來做使用或是說其實它的纖維材料也可以作為一個建材所以它不應該是廢棄物啦已經有這個技術可以處理了已經有一個技術了對因為它如果拿來我覺得如果掩埋它也是我們沒那麼多地方嘛那如果拿來燒我們又擔心碳排然後還有一些空污的問題啦那這部分現在我們以前20年前做的這些東西它確實已經找到這個回收的辦法有這樣的技術就對了\n\n11\n00:03:45,157 --> 00:04:07,157\n那各位報告,現在我們已經有把一些葉片做一些試驗,然後去切片之後送到水養去當作燃料或是材料那未來如果新設的這些材料,它會跟這個一樣還是說你們有規範說它一定要用什麼?是,那以後這些案場就要負起後面回收的責任\n\n12\n00:04:07,877 --> 00:04:09,819\n方式上面我們還在討論後面一定要讓他在20年廢棄之後能夠把這些妥善的處理我們有限制他財資\n\n13\n00:04:21,587 --> 00:04:42,258\n因為這個風機它有一些它自己使用上的特性,因為它要能夠在選擇區域你們在審核的時候,我希望說現在已經20年前的這些材料你都有辦法它來做回收利用了嗎?當然我們希望也把這些東西列入,列入未來在審核的標準的一個標準,可以嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:43,038 --> 00:05:05,850\n它現在是一種玻璃纖維啦所以它基本上對環境是無害的但是基本上如果它變成廢棄物如何處理那這個就是我們必須要去管制或關注的這個焦點因為我想也會聽到說我們台電跟風電業者可能會申請這個研議5到10年那這部分的標準是誰來審查?是怎麼審查的?風機研議5到10年\n\n15\n00:05:11,783 --> 00:05:21,268\n我們還沒有聽過風機演繹舞蹈目前沒有嗎?台電有在提?可能是能源署那邊如果是他們提,我們環境部立場是什麼?\n\n16\n00:05:25,457 --> 00:05:44,231\n如果是風機的原因要看他是拆除以後是不是重新申請許可如果他沒拆除就繼續用他認為說他還可以用繼續用的話基本上我們是沒有在我們的環評的相關規定裡面去規範但是我們所知的因為現在科技的進步很多小的風機會拆除然後重新申請許可\n\n17\n00:05:44,651 --> 00:06:06,743\n那他改成大的風機重新申請的這個風機的許可就會他如果研議他換一些材料你也看不出來換材料這種的就不是整支的這個風機的企劃那這個就不是由我們來管理因為他當初申請的年限到了那如果到了又申請研議我現在好奇就是說因為他可能還有些東西是可能還可以用的那但是居民在等他拆啊\n\n18\n00:06:07,583 --> 00:06:32,602\n對不對那你又突然演繹那我們環境部又沒有也沒有介入去做一個審核的機制嗎完全都沒有各位人報告因為就環評的部分因為環評是一個預防的機制所以我們管的通常都是一個新建一個新的案場那如果你是因為不管是風機或其他開發行為如果是因為零件要替換我覺得這樣啦另外一個層次\n\n19\n00:06:32,802 --> 00:06:59,443\n研議的部分我希望環境部也能夠去參與啦好不好部長你再了解一下我再來了解一下謝謝委員建議那另外關於PFACE這個部分我們列了357種PFACE的化合物是有毒的化學物質嘛那是做管制並沒有禁用歐盟是在2030年他就要淘汰整個PFACE類別我們會跟進嗎\n\n20\n00:07:02,041 --> 00:07:22,572\n跟委員報告,其實我們公告的物質都是跟著市的公約的公告期程他們禁用的部分,應該會有一個禁限用我們跟著他大概在一年多,我們國內也公告出來因為我還要產業調查跟調整,所以我們都會follow這個公約來走所以他整個淘汰,我們整個就拿掉他?對\n\n21\n00:07:23,573 --> 00:07:40,036\n那現在勒剛剛委員所提到的357那裡面是有進線用的那歐盟的本身因為他歐盟歐盟雖然是那個歐盟他雖然是私的跟我們公約的會員國不過他本身會再做寬一點的調查所以這個資料我們也都在收集\n\n22\n00:07:40,436 --> 00:07:53,469\n對因為我現在比較好奇就是說我們現在一般產品頂多就是不含酸粉不含塑化劑對不對我們有沒有標示什麼有沒有含環境荷爾蒙這部分\n\n23\n00:07:54,111 --> 00:08:19,219\n有這個就是在產品我們舉個例子就像大家會習慣你們有標章嗎有這個標章嗎我們如果是有環保標章的就會按照我們的規範來做這會給他都會給他那我們舉個例子就是大家關心以前的用途很廣因為像不沾鍋食品包裝衣服或化妝品等等這些都可能會有這些東西嘛那所以我是希望說我們能夠清楚標示給我們的消費者去選擇啦\n\n24\n00:08:20,913 --> 00:08:38,027\n所以我們會來鼓勵業者那前幾天我去賣場其實看那個很多的不沾鍋都會都會有個標籤寫說不含PFOA或者是其他的梳化劑都會有現在慢慢的這業者的自主的一個標示因為這個我想管的這個部會也很\n\n25\n00:08:39,948 --> 00:08:56,443\n衛福部也管環境部也管還有經濟部還有農業部所以我希望大家有一套標準能夠橫向的聯繫能夠統一讓我們消費者可以很清楚的就可以去辨識這樣好嗎是我們在跨部會小組來討論最後我再請教我們部長\n\n26\n00:08:57,344 --> 00:09:22,604\n我們那天到苗栗嘛,謝謝部長到苗栗來關心我們苗栗的這個我們當時有提到一個叫循環園區,那部長這個計畫會有期程嗎?我們現在在爭取行政院的預算當中,如果爭取得到因為這個是我們近鄰推動的一個項目,那這個是明年的經費啦那也希望我們可以爭取得到,那當然這個就希望全台灣有一些將將的點\n\n27\n00:09:23,965 --> 00:09:39,973\n那也謝謝委員因為那個土資廠這個例如說我們的營建廢棄物的處理因為苗栗有這樣的這個能力也很主動來做所以這個未來我是覺得如果配合的好的話我是覺得這個是一個蠻好的一個機會除了現在苗栗市的掩埋廠現在活化\n\n28\n00:09:40,473 --> 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更新計畫之後\n37796\t51125\t我聽說要加寬跟加高會差不多是現在的兩倍那周圍大概有229戶的居民會受到影響那這次的更新案居民反彈都非常大\n52410\t78477\t環民第一次審查之後環民委員要求廠商量化說明我們風機噪音、震動、眩影對民宅還有敏感受體的影響及差異性還要強化減輕對策及檢討風機更新改建的位置跟數量但是居民是希望大風車可以滾出社區這部分環境部可以擋在第一線嗎?\n79977\t107151\t因為這個是以前20年前可能是20年前弄的他那時候沒有環評所以現在其實如果他新蓋的重新再來那這個就要環評這個部分就會進到我們程序那也跟委員報告現在因為我們的環評委員對於這個陸域風機大概500公尺半徑500公尺其實有影響到這個500公尺內有建築物的都是很嚴格審查的\n107551\t122305\t包含了眩影、低頻噪音、震動等等這個我很放心如果有這樣的情況我們因為目前還有好幾個案例像這樣都非常難過非常難過當然我不能說限制說他不能申請但是非常難過一定要特別小心\n122905\t137362\t對啦,因為這個對居民的影響非常大,他們忍受了20年那現在當然我們一直以來對於陸域風這個風機的設置本來現在就已經在做調整那我希望環境部在這邊一定要做好嚴格把關的這個動作\n138803\t153558\t那我再來問就是說報導指出在2025年夏天拆下來的風機葉片累積的高度會有1050公尺接近兩座101大樓的高度那未來10年將有900隻的\n156581\t171163\t這個廢棄葉片退役是這樣嗎那這些東西又沒辦法回收那國外是一般是粉碎來掩埋那台灣土地這麼小垃圾現在都還沒有辦法處理那我們未來的處理方式會怎麼樣\n172244\t196855\t報告委員其實現在當然有一些處理的方式因為當時對於管制這個並沒有那麼嚴格我們現在正在修相關的法例例如說支援循環的推動法我們希望下個會期送到立法院其實未來針對這樣的不管是太陽能或是風機它要預先的去做處理所以目前來說的話我們大概是可以把它變成透過水泥窯的燃燒變成一種低碳水泥\n197615\t224056\t來做使用或是說其實它的纖維材料也可以作為一個建材所以它不應該是廢棄物啦已經有這個技術可以處理了已經有一個技術了對 因為它如果拿來 我覺得如果掩埋它也是我們沒那麼多地方嘛那如果拿來燒我們又擔心碳排然後還有一些空污的問題啦那這部分現在我們以前20年前做的這些東西它確實已經找到這個回收的辦法有這樣的技術就對了\n225157\t247157\t那各位報告,現在我們已經有把一些葉片做一些試驗,然後去切片之後送到水養去當作燃料或是材料那未來如果新設的這些材料,它會跟這個一樣還是說你們有規範說它一定要用什麼?是,那以後這些案場就要負起後面回收的責任\n247877\t249819\t方式上面我們還在討論後面一定要讓他在20年廢棄之後能夠把這些妥善的處理我們有限制他財資\n261587\t282258\t因為這個風機它有一些它自己使用上的特性,因為它要能夠在選擇區域你們在審核的時候,我希望說現在已經20年前的這些材料你都有辦法它來做回收利用了嗎?當然我們希望也把這些東西列入,列入未來在審核的標準的一個標準,可以嗎?\n283038\t305850\t它現在是一種玻璃纖維啦所以它基本上對環境是無害的但是基本上如果它變成廢棄物如何處理那這個就是我們必須要去管制或關注的這個焦點因為我想也會聽到說我們台電跟風電業者可能會申請這個研議5到10年那這部分的標準是誰來審查?是怎麼審查的?風機研議5到10年\n311783\t321268\t我們還沒有聽過風機演繹舞蹈目前沒有嗎?台電有在提?可能是能源署那邊如果是他們提,我們環境部立場是什麼?\n325457\t344231\t如果是風機的原因要看他是拆除以後是不是重新申請許可如果他沒拆除就繼續用他認為說他還可以用繼續用的話基本上我們是沒有在我們的環評的相關規定裡面去規範但是我們所知的因為現在科技的進步很多小的風機會拆除然後重新申請許可\n344651\t366743\t那他改成大的風機重新申請的這個風機的許可就會他如果研議他換一些材料你也看不出來換材料這種的就不是整支的這個風機的企劃那這個就不是由我們來管理因為他當初申請的年限到了那如果到了又申請研議我現在好奇就是說因為他可能還有些東西是可能還可以用的那但是居民在等他拆啊\n367583\t392602\t對不對 那你又突然演繹 那我們環境部又沒有 也沒有介入去做一個審核的機制嗎 完全都沒有各位人報告 因為就環評的部分 因為環評是一個預防的機制所以我們管的通常都是一個新建 一個新的案場那如果你是因為 不管是風機或其他開發行為 如果是因為零件要替換我覺得這樣啦 另外一個層次\n392802\t419443\t研議的部分我希望環境部也能夠去參與啦好不好部長你再了解一下我再來了解一下謝謝委員建議那另外關於PFACE這個部分我們列了357種PFACE的化合物是有毒的化學物質嘛那是做管制並沒有禁用歐盟是在2030年他就要淘汰整個PFACE類別我們會跟進嗎\n422041\t442572\t跟委員報告,其實我們公告的物質都是跟著市的公約的公告期程他們禁用的部分,應該會有一個禁限用我們跟著他大概在一年多,我們國內也公告出來因為我還要產業調查跟調整,所以我們都會follow這個公約來走所以他整個淘汰,我們整個就拿掉他?對\n443573\t460036\t那現在勒剛剛委員所提到的357那裡面是有進線用的那歐盟的本身因為他歐盟歐盟雖然是那個歐盟他雖然是私的跟我們公約的會員國不過他本身會再做寬一點的調查所以這個資料我們也都在收集\n460436\t473469\t對 因為我現在比較好奇就是說我們現在一般產品頂多就是不含酸粉不含塑化劑對不對 我們有沒有標示什麼有沒有含環境荷爾蒙這部分\n474111\t499219\t有 這個就是在產品 我們舉個例子就像大家會習慣 你們有標章嗎 有這個標章嗎我們如果是有環保標章的 就會按照我們的規範來做 這會給他都會給他 那我們舉個例子就是大家關心以前的用途很廣 因為像不沾鍋 食品包裝 衣服或化妝品等等這些都可能會有這些東西嘛那所以 我是希望說我們能夠清楚標示給我們的消費者去選擇啦\n500913\t518027\t所以我們會來鼓勵業者那前幾天我去賣場其實看那個很多的不沾鍋都會都會有個標籤寫說不含PFOA或者是其他的梳化劑都會有現在慢慢的這業者的自主的一個標示因為這個我想管的這個部會也很\n519948\t536443\t衛福部也管環境部也管還有經濟部還有農業部所以我希望大家有一套標準能夠橫向的聯繫能夠統一讓我們消費者可以很清楚的就可以去辨識這樣好嗎是我們在跨部會小組來討論最後我再請教我們部長\n537344\t562604\t我們那天到苗栗嘛,謝謝部長到苗栗來關心我們苗栗的這個我們當時有提到一個叫循環園區,那部長這個計畫會有期程嗎?我們現在在爭取行政院的預算當中,如果爭取得到因為這個是我們近鄰推動的一個項目,那這個是明年的經費啦那也希望我們可以爭取得到,那當然這個就希望全台灣有一些將將的點\n563965\t579973\t那也謝謝委員因為那個土資廠這個例如說我們的營建廢棄物的處理因為苗栗有這樣的這個能力也很主動來做所以這個未來我是覺得如果配合的好的話我是覺得這個是一個蠻好的一個機會除了現在苗栗市的掩埋廠現在活化\n580473\t604301\t那另外現在就是循環園區的一個爭取啦我們來地方跟中央來一起合作那另外還有我們竹南它的粉化掩埋場的部分它那邊的場域也蠻大的嘛這個部長有考量嗎好這個我們來研究好不好因為這個還有一點點時間因為開始要做爭取經費然後後面的未來的這個施工或規劃都有一點時間那我們是樂觀啟程好謝謝部長謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 我們一樣請彭部長請彭部長齊委員好部長好上次跟部長討論過我們陸域風機新設的問題那我現在發現我們後龍好望角這個地方那邊有21座的風機將在2027年會年滿20年那現在廠商提出更新計畫 更新計畫之後\n我聽說要加寬跟加高會差不多是現在的兩倍那周圍大概有229戶的居民會受到影響那這次的更新案居民反彈都非常大\n環民第一次審查之後環民委員要求廠商量化說明我們風機噪音、震動、眩影對民宅還有敏感受體的影響及差異性還要強化減輕對策及檢討風機更新改建的位置跟數量但是居民是希望大風車可以滾出社區這部分環境部可以擋在第一線嗎?\n因為這個是以前20年前可能是20年前弄的他那時候沒有環評所以現在其實如果他新蓋的重新再來那這個就要環評這個部分就會進到我們程序那也跟委員報告現在因為我們的環評委員對於這個陸域風機大概500公尺半徑500公尺其實有影響到這個500公尺內有建築物的都是很嚴格審查的\n包含了眩影、低頻噪音、震動等等這個我很放心如果有這樣的情況我們因為目前還有好幾個案例像這樣都非常難過非常難過當然我不能說限制說他不能申請但是非常難過一定要特別小心\n對啦,因為這個對居民的影響非常大,他們忍受了20年那現在當然我們一直以來對於陸域風這個風機的設置本來現在就已經在做調整那我希望環境部在這邊一定要做好嚴格把關的這個動作\n那我再來問就是說報導指出在2025年夏天拆下來的風機葉片累積的高度會有1050公尺接近兩座101大樓的高度那未來10年將有900隻的\n這個廢棄葉片退役是這樣嗎那這些東西又沒辦法回收那國外是一般是粉碎來掩埋那台灣土地這麼小垃圾現在都還沒有辦法處理那我們未來的處理方式會怎麼樣\n報告委員其實現在當然有一些處理的方式因為當時對於管制這個並沒有那麼嚴格我們現在正在修相關的法例例如說支援循環的推動法我們希望下個會期送到立法院其實未來針對這樣的不管是太陽能或是風機它要預先的去做處理所以目前來說的話我們大概是可以把它變成透過水泥窯的燃燒變成一種低碳水泥\n來做使用或是說其實它的纖維材料也可以作為一個建材所以它不應該是廢棄物啦已經有這個技術可以處理了已經有一個技術了對 因為它如果拿來 我覺得如果掩埋它也是我們沒那麼多地方嘛那如果拿來燒我們又擔心碳排然後還有一些空污的問題啦那這部分現在我們以前20年前做的這些東西它確實已經找到這個回收的辦法有這樣的技術就對了\n那各位報告,現在我們已經有把一些葉片做一些試驗,然後去切片之後送到水養去當作燃料或是材料那未來如果新設的這些材料,它會跟這個一樣還是說你們有規範說它一定要用什麼?是,那以後這些案場就要負起後面回收的責任\n方式上面我們還在討論後面一定要讓他在20年廢棄之後能夠把這些妥善的處理我們有限制他財資\n因為這個風機它有一些它自己使用上的特性,因為它要能夠在選擇區域你們在審核的時候,我希望說現在已經20年前的這些材料你都有辦法它來做回收利用了嗎?當然我們希望也把這些東西列入,列入未來在審核的標準的一個標準,可以嗎?\n它現在是一種玻璃纖維啦所以它基本上對環境是無害的但是基本上如果它變成廢棄物如何處理那這個就是我們必須要去管制或關注的這個焦點因為我想也會聽到說我們台電跟風電業者可能會申請這個研議5到10年那這部分的標準是誰來審查?是怎麼審查的?風機研議5到10年\n我們還沒有聽過風機演繹舞蹈目前沒有嗎?台電有在提?可能是能源署那邊如果是他們提,我們環境部立場是什麼?\n如果是風機的原因要看他是拆除以後是不是重新申請許可如果他沒拆除就繼續用他認為說他還可以用繼續用的話基本上我們是沒有在我們的環評的相關規定裡面去規範但是我們所知的因為現在科技的進步很多小的風機會拆除然後重新申請許可\n那他改成大的風機重新申請的這個風機的許可就會他如果研議他換一些材料你也看不出來換材料這種的就不是整支的這個風機的企劃那這個就不是由我們來管理因為他當初申請的年限到了那如果到了又申請研議我現在好奇就是說因為他可能還有些東西是可能還可以用的那但是居民在等他拆啊\n對不對 那你又突然演繹 那我們環境部又沒有 也沒有介入去做一個審核的機制嗎 完全都沒有各位人報告 因為就環評的部分 因為環評是一個預防的機制所以我們管的通常都是一個新建 一個新的案場那如果你是因為 不管是風機或其他開發行為 如果是因為零件要替換我覺得這樣啦 另外一個層次\n研議的部分我希望環境部也能夠去參與啦好不好部長你再了解一下我再來了解一下謝謝委員建議那另外關於PFACE這個部分我們列了357種PFACE的化合物是有毒的化學物質嘛那是做管制並沒有禁用歐盟是在2030年他就要淘汰整個PFACE類別我們會跟進嗎\n跟委員報告,其實我們公告的物質都是跟著市的公約的公告期程他們禁用的部分,應該會有一個禁限用我們跟著他大概在一年多,我們國內也公告出來因為我還要產業調查跟調整,所以我們都會follow這個公約來走所以他整個淘汰,我們整個就拿掉他?對\n那現在勒剛剛委員所提到的357那裡面是有進線用的那歐盟的本身因為他歐盟歐盟雖然是那個歐盟他雖然是私的跟我們公約的會員國不過他本身會再做寬一點的調查所以這個資料我們也都在收集\n對 因為我現在比較好奇就是說我們現在一般產品頂多就是不含酸粉不含塑化劑對不對 我們有沒有標示什麼有沒有含環境荷爾蒙這部分\n有 這個就是在產品 我們舉個例子就像大家會習慣 你們有標章嗎 有這個標章嗎我們如果是有環保標章的 就會按照我們的規範來做 這會給他都會給他 那我們舉個例子就是大家關心以前的用途很廣 因為像不沾鍋 食品包裝 衣服或化妝品等等這些都可能會有這些東西嘛那所以 我是希望說我們能夠清楚標示給我們的消費者去選擇啦\n所以我們會來鼓勵業者那前幾天我去賣場其實看那個很多的不沾鍋都會都會有個標籤寫說不含PFOA或者是其他的梳化劑都會有現在慢慢的這業者的自主的一個標示因為這個我想管的這個部會也很\n衛福部也管環境部也管還有經濟部還有農業部所以我希望大家有一套標準能夠橫向的聯繫能夠統一讓我們消費者可以很清楚的就可以去辨識這樣好嗎是我們在跨部會小組來討論最後我再請教我們部長\n我們那天到苗栗嘛,謝謝部長到苗栗來關心我們苗栗的這個我們當時有提到一個叫循環園區,那部長這個計畫會有期程嗎?我們現在在爭取行政院的預算當中,如果爭取得到因為這個是我們近鄰推動的一個項目,那這個是明年的經費啦那也希望我們可以爭取得到,那當然這個就希望全台灣有一些將將的點\n那也謝謝委員因為那個土資廠這個例如說我們的營建廢棄物的處理因為苗栗有這樣的這個能力也很主動來做所以這個未來我是覺得如果配合的好的話我是覺得這個是一個蠻好的一個機會除了現在苗栗市的掩埋廠現在活化\n那另外現在就是循環園區的一個爭取啦我們來地方跟中央來一起合作那另外還有我們竹南它的粉化掩埋場的部分它那邊的場域也蠻大的嘛這個部長有考量嗎好這個我們來研究好不好因為這個還有一點點時間因為開始要做爭取經費然後後面的未來的這個施工或規劃都有一點時間那我們是樂觀啟程好謝謝部長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.953 --> 00:23.878\n主席好我們一樣請彭部長請彭部長齊委員好部長好上次跟部長討論過我們陸域風機新設的問題那我現在發現我們後龍好望角這個地方那邊有21座的風機將在2027年會年滿20年那現在廠商提出更新計畫更新計畫之後\n\n00:37.796 --> 00:51.125\n我聽說要加寬跟加高會差不多是現在的兩倍那周圍大概有229戶的居民會受到影響那這次的更新案居民反彈都非常大\n\n00:52.410 --> 01:18.477\n環民第一次審查之後環民委員要求廠商量化說明我們風機噪音、震動、眩影對民宅還有敏感受體的影響及差異性還要強化減輕對策及檢討風機更新改建的位置跟數量但是居民是希望大風車可以滾出社區這部分環境部可以擋在第一線嗎?\n\n01:19.977 --> 01:47.151\n因為這個是以前20年前可能是20年前弄的他那時候沒有環評所以現在其實如果他新蓋的重新再來那這個就要環評這個部分就會進到我們程序那也跟委員報告現在因為我們的環評委員對於這個陸域風機大概500公尺半徑500公尺其實有影響到這個500公尺內有建築物的都是很嚴格審查的\n\n01:47.551 --> 02:02.305\n包含了眩影、低頻噪音、震動等等這個我很放心如果有這樣的情況我們因為目前還有好幾個案例像這樣都非常難過非常難過當然我不能說限制說他不能申請但是非常難過一定要特別小心\n\n02:02.905 --> 02:17.362\n對啦,因為這個對居民的影響非常大,他們忍受了20年那現在當然我們一直以來對於陸域風這個風機的設置本來現在就已經在做調整那我希望環境部在這邊一定要做好嚴格把關的這個動作\n\n02:18.803 --> 02:33.558\n那我再來問就是說報導指出在2025年夏天拆下來的風機葉片累積的高度會有1050公尺接近兩座101大樓的高度那未來10年將有900隻的\n\n02:36.581 --> 02:51.163\n這個廢棄葉片退役是這樣嗎那這些東西又沒辦法回收那國外是一般是粉碎來掩埋那台灣土地這麼小垃圾現在都還沒有辦法處理那我們未來的處理方式會怎麼樣\n\n02:52.244 --> 03:16.855\n報告委員其實現在當然有一些處理的方式因為當時對於管制這個並沒有那麼嚴格我們現在正在修相關的法例例如說支援循環的推動法我們希望下個會期送到立法院其實未來針對這樣的不管是太陽能或是風機它要預先的去做處理所以目前來說的話我們大概是可以把它變成透過水泥窯的燃燒變成一種低碳水泥\n\n03:17.615 --> 03:44.056\n來做使用或是說其實它的纖維材料也可以作為一個建材所以它不應該是廢棄物啦已經有這個技術可以處理了已經有一個技術了對因為它如果拿來我覺得如果掩埋它也是我們沒那麼多地方嘛那如果拿來燒我們又擔心碳排然後還有一些空污的問題啦那這部分現在我們以前20年前做的這些東西它確實已經找到這個回收的辦法有這樣的技術就對了\n\n03:45.157 --> 04:07.157\n那各位報告,現在我們已經有把一些葉片做一些試驗,然後去切片之後送到水養去當作燃料或是材料那未來如果新設的這些材料,它會跟這個一樣還是說你們有規範說它一定要用什麼?是,那以後這些案場就要負起後面回收的責任\n\n04:07.877 --> 04:09.819\n方式上面我們還在討論後面一定要讓他在20年廢棄之後能夠把這些妥善的處理我們有限制他財資\n\n04:21.587 --> 04:42.258\n因為這個風機它有一些它自己使用上的特性,因為它要能夠在選擇區域你們在審核的時候,我希望說現在已經20年前的這些材料你都有辦法它來做回收利用了嗎?當然我們希望也把這些東西列入,列入未來在審核的標準的一個標準,可以嗎?\n\n04:43.038 --> 05:05.850\n它現在是一種玻璃纖維啦所以它基本上對環境是無害的但是基本上如果它變成廢棄物如何處理那這個就是我們必須要去管制或關注的這個焦點因為我想也會聽到說我們台電跟風電業者可能會申請這個研議5到10年那這部分的標準是誰來審查?是怎麼審查的?風機研議5到10年\n\n05:11.783 --> 05:21.268\n我們還沒有聽過風機演繹舞蹈目前沒有嗎?台電有在提?可能是能源署那邊如果是他們提,我們環境部立場是什麼?\n\n05:25.457 --> 05:44.231\n如果是風機的原因要看他是拆除以後是不是重新申請許可如果他沒拆除就繼續用他認為說他還可以用繼續用的話基本上我們是沒有在我們的環評的相關規定裡面去規範但是我們所知的因為現在科技的進步很多小的風機會拆除然後重新申請許可\n\n05:44.651 --> 06:06.743\n那他改成大的風機重新申請的這個風機的許可就會他如果研議他換一些材料你也看不出來換材料這種的就不是整支的這個風機的企劃那這個就不是由我們來管理因為他當初申請的年限到了那如果到了又申請研議我現在好奇就是說因為他可能還有些東西是可能還可以用的那但是居民在等他拆啊\n\n06:07.583 --> 06:32.602\n對不對那你又突然演繹那我們環境部又沒有也沒有介入去做一個審核的機制嗎完全都沒有各位人報告因為就環評的部分因為環評是一個預防的機制所以我們管的通常都是一個新建一個新的案場那如果你是因為不管是風機或其他開發行為如果是因為零件要替換我覺得這樣啦另外一個層次\n\n06:32.802 --> 06:59.443\n研議的部分我希望環境部也能夠去參與啦好不好部長你再了解一下我再來了解一下謝謝委員建議那另外關於PFACE這個部分我們列了357種PFACE的化合物是有毒的化學物質嘛那是做管制並沒有禁用歐盟是在2030年他就要淘汰整個PFACE類別我們會跟進嗎\n\n07:02.041 --> 07:22.572\n跟委員報告,其實我們公告的物質都是跟著市的公約的公告期程他們禁用的部分,應該會有一個禁限用我們跟著他大概在一年多,我們國內也公告出來因為我還要產業調查跟調整,所以我們都會follow這個公約來走所以他整個淘汰,我們整個就拿掉他?對\n\n07:23.573 --> 07:40.036\n那現在勒剛剛委員所提到的357那裡面是有進線用的那歐盟的本身因為他歐盟歐盟雖然是那個歐盟他雖然是私的跟我們公約的會員國不過他本身會再做寬一點的調查所以這個資料我們也都在收集\n\n07:40.436 --> 07:53.469\n對因為我現在比較好奇就是說我們現在一般產品頂多就是不含酸粉不含塑化劑對不對我們有沒有標示什麼有沒有含環境荷爾蒙這部分\n\n07:54.111 --> 08:19.219\n有這個就是在產品我們舉個例子就像大家會習慣你們有標章嗎有這個標章嗎我們如果是有環保標章的就會按照我們的規範來做這會給他都會給他那我們舉個例子就是大家關心以前的用途很廣因為像不沾鍋食品包裝衣服或化妝品等等這些都可能會有這些東西嘛那所以我是希望說我們能夠清楚標示給我們的消費者去選擇啦\n\n08:20.913 --> 08:38.027\n所以我們會來鼓勵業者那前幾天我去賣場其實看那個很多的不沾鍋都會都會有個標籤寫說不含PFOA或者是其他的梳化劑都會有現在慢慢的這業者的自主的一個標示因為這個我想管的這個部會也很\n\n08:39.948 --> 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