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00:02:10,007\n不用等到人家來癱瘓我們我們自己就先行癱瘓好所以從5月8號到現在已經這麼多天過去了我想請問一下部長能夠掌握到底為什麼會這樣的大停電然後我們未來會不會發生類似這樣的狀況這個會讓大家覺得我們不要說是電力任性而是整個的國防任性因此都破功所以部長您所掌握的狀況是如何呢\n\n7\n00:02:10,447 --> 00:02:11,191\n我們是不是先請常務長\n\n8\n00:02:14,453 --> 00:02:42,640\n喂空軍事務部參謀長跟您做一個簡單的回報那這個部分首先針對現象的部分先跟您做一個回報那那一天因為連日的大雨所以說造成它的其中一個變電箱一個迴路的變電箱有受潮那短路的狀況造成停電那這個狀況因為它有四個迴路它在修這個迴路的時候另外三個迴路要先停下來這是現象那再跟您報告不會耽誤到戰備的狀況我們一般在停電都不會\n\n9\n00:02:43,200 --> 00:03:04,632\n不會單備到那個這樣的狀況那為什麼它要變成H呢對不對以後限電一起限電算了跟您報告我們一般戰備的這個設施分成三個部分第一個在設計的時候它就會分成行政區跟重要的設施我時間非常有限我想請問一下所以這次松子部的停電\n\n10\n00:03:05,592 --> 00:03:24,137\n無關於外面台電的它的電路而是我們自己內部的高壓變電的設備出現跳電那是因為沒有維修嗎?若一場大雨今日幾場大雨就會造成停電八小時這會不會是一個任性破口呢?\n\n11\n00:03:24,597 --> 00:03:49,596\n跟委員報告那一天的狀況發生之後戰備的發電機都有接替起來我們有三個保險的措施第一個就是剛剛跟您報告的我們會分作戰區跟行政區第二個重要的設施都有不斷電系統第三個重要的設施都有重要的發電機因為發電機的這個大小好我請問部長您可以接受剛才參謀長的說法嗎\n\n12\n00:03:52,088 --> 00:03:58,720\n我想主要還是在於相關的這些了解這個現象之後那我們應該要定期的來去檢視這些相關的一個\n\n13\n00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:29,905\n因為從5月8號到今天已經有一段時間了沒有他們現在就要有一些綠點有提出報告給您了嗎是他們都有相關的報告上來所以您有掌握另外有一個很重要的問題這個也牽涉到就是到時候今天大概沒有送進來就是有關於我們前進國造的這部分的預算的解凍的問題\n\n14\n00:04:31,816 --> 00:04:41,163\n請問一下本來4月份我們的海昆號應該進行海上測試結果延後延到5月5月現在已經5月中旬了那請問一下部長我們現在這個海昆號的海測的時間確定了嗎還是仍然在不確定中\n\n15\n00:04:55,375 --> 00:05:11,731\n我想我們現在應該是說我們會進入測試這個測試的一個最後的階段我們還是要確認達到海上測試的安全條件我們才會決定實際出海的一個時程所以現在到目前為止沒有辦法確定出海的時間是嗎\n\n16\n00:05:13,918 --> 00:05:30,309\n我沒有辦法給委員一個確切的一個意見那另外請教這個禁新聞就是這兩天有一個內部消息說為什麼會推遲我們的這個海昆號的海測主要是出現了主機故障這個是確實的嗎我想主機的一個都還在進行一個測試調校的過程當中所以確實有主機故障的狀況\n\n17\n00:05:42,509 --> 00:05:57,497\n主機應該是說我們還在進行一個系統的一個聯測我想還在進行這樣的一個調教我想備變之後應該就可以來進行海測所以這個報導沒有錯誤\n\n18\n00:06:01,239 --> 00:06:27,162\n應該是說我們主機本來就是要進行做一些聯測調校的一個過程那這些驗測我們一定要完全合乎標準了之後我們才會再進行所以顯然到現在沒有合乎標準所以有關於海測的部分當然我們必須要基於一個整個的安全至上因為我們海測是由我們海軍會支援去測試嗎\n\n19\n00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:45,922\n是吧海軍會支援測試吧海軍支援測試是不是支援就是這個測試總要有人去測試啊那當然所以我們海軍會支援測試是那我想請問一下那相關的保險買了嗎\n\n20\n00:06:51,544 --> 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空軍事務部參謀長跟您做一個簡單的回報那這個部分首先針對現象的部分先跟您做一個回報那那一天因為連日的大雨所以說造成它的其中一個變電箱一個迴路的變電箱有受潮那短路的狀況造成停電那這個狀況因為它有四個迴路它在修這個迴路的時候另外三個迴路要先停下來這是現象那再跟您報告不會耽誤到戰備的狀況我們一般在停電都不會\n163200\t184632\t不會單備到那個這樣的狀況那為什麼它要變成H呢對不對以後限電一起限電算了跟您報告我們一般戰備的這個設施分成三個部分第一個在設計的時候它就會分成行政區跟重要的設施我時間非常有限我想請問一下所以這次松子部的停電\n185592\t204137\t無關於外面台電的它的電路而是我們自己內部的高壓變電的設備出現跳電那是因為沒有維修嗎?若一場大雨今日幾場大雨就會造成停電八小時這會不會是一個任性破口呢?\n204597\t229596\t跟委員報告那一天的狀況發生之後戰備的發電機都有接替起來我們有三個保險的措施第一個就是剛剛跟您報告的我們會分作戰區跟行政區第二個重要的設施都有不斷電系統第三個重要的設施都有重要的發電機因為發電機的這個大小好我請問部長您可以接受剛才參謀長的說法嗎\n232088\t238720\t我想主要還是在於相關的這些了解這個現象之後那我們應該要定期的來去檢視這些相關的一個\n245599\t269905\t因為從5月8號到今天已經有一段時間了沒有 他們現在就要有一些綠點有提出報告給您了嗎是 他們都有相關的報告上來所以您有掌握另外有一個很重要的問題這個也牽涉到就是到時候今天大概沒有送進來就是有關於我們前進國造的這部分的預算的解凍的問題\n271816\t281163\t請問一下本來4月份我們的海昆號應該進行海上測試結果延後延到5月5月現在已經5月中旬了那請問一下部長我們現在這個海昆號的海測的時間確定了嗎還是仍然在不確定中\n295375\t311731\t我想我們現在應該是說我們會進入測試這個測試的一個最後的階段我們還是要確認達到海上測試的安全條件我們才會決定實際出海的一個時程所以現在到目前為止沒有辦法確定出海的時間是嗎\n313918\t330309\t我沒有辦法給委員一個確切的一個意見那另外請教這個禁新聞就是這兩天有一個內部消息說為什麼會推遲我們的這個海昆號的海測主要是出現了主機故障這個是確實的嗎我想主機的一個都還在進行一個測試調校的過程當中所以確實有主機故障的狀況\n342509\t357497\t主機應該是說我們還在進行一個系統的一個聯測我想還在進行這樣的一個調教我想備變之後應該就可以來進行海測所以這個報導沒有錯誤\n361239\t387162\t應該是說我們主機本來就是要進行做一些聯測調校的一個過程那這些驗測我們一定要完全合乎標準了之後我們才會再進行所以顯然到現在沒有合乎標準所以有關於海測的部分當然我們必須要基於一個整個的安全至上因為我們海測是由我們海軍會支援去測試嗎\n388689\t405922\t是吧 海軍會支援測試吧海軍支援測試是不是支援就是這個測試總要有人去測試啊那當然所以我們海軍會支援測試是那我想請問一下那相關的保險買了嗎\n411544\t436090\t因為測試一定需要保險請問一下保險已經買了嗎然後是應該是國外的吧因為國內我想應該大概沒辦法承受這麼大的我們相關只要跟出海測試有相關的保險台船公司跟我們所有那邊有關的專案團隊的保險部分都已經做完完善的規劃所以有關於海昆號海測的部分保險的部分已經有完備是\n437293\t437680\t好谢谢\n","txt":"好謝謝主席請顧立雄部長還有我們的空軍司令部參謀長好有請顧部長有請參謀長空軍嗎\n部長 參謀長在今年的5月8號其實發生了一個非常嚴重的事情就是在松山機場的松址部竟然停電將近8個小時之久那這個事情第一時間我看到媒體的報導部長說都有掌握我想部長恐怕掌握的是有停電的狀況\n那其實我個人我自己本身就住在這個松山機場的旁邊所以呢在整個的就全台限電邊阻我們就是H也就是在全台在什麼大停電的時候我們家都不會停電為什麼呢我們就是受惠於旁邊有松山機場\n所以5月8號當天其實附近並沒有停電可是我們的松子部卻停電8個小時這非常嚴重啊大家都知道整個的松山基地的指揮部的任務是整個的我們大台北地區我們的首都的國防\n整個的國防任性不是會因此破功嗎大家都很擔心說如果真的有戰事的話松山機場第一個是不能夠被癱瘓的結果我們自己在沒有任何戰事的狀況之下自己停電而停電八個小時之久啊\n不用等到人家來癱瘓我們我們自己就先行癱瘓好 所以從5月8號到現在已經這麼多天過去了我想請問一下部長能夠掌握到底為什麼會這樣的大停電然後我們未來會不會發生類似這樣的狀況這個會讓大家覺得我們不要說是電力任性而是整個的國防任性因此都破功所以部長您所掌握的狀況是如何呢\n我們是不是先請常務長\n喂 空軍事務部參謀長跟您做一個簡單的回報那這個部分首先針對現象的部分先跟您做一個回報那那一天因為連日的大雨所以說造成它的其中一個變電箱一個迴路的變電箱有受潮那短路的狀況造成停電那這個狀況因為它有四個迴路它在修這個迴路的時候另外三個迴路要先停下來這是現象那再跟您報告不會耽誤到戰備的狀況我們一般在停電都不會\n不會單備到那個這樣的狀況那為什麼它要變成H呢對不對以後限電一起限電算了跟您報告我們一般戰備的這個設施分成三個部分第一個在設計的時候它就會分成行政區跟重要的設施我時間非常有限我想請問一下所以這次松子部的停電\n無關於外面台電的它的電路而是我們自己內部的高壓變電的設備出現跳電那是因為沒有維修嗎?若一場大雨今日幾場大雨就會造成停電八小時這會不會是一個任性破口呢?\n跟委員報告那一天的狀況發生之後戰備的發電機都有接替起來我們有三個保險的措施第一個就是剛剛跟您報告的我們會分作戰區跟行政區第二個重要的設施都有不斷電系統第三個重要的設施都有重要的發電機因為發電機的這個大小好我請問部長您可以接受剛才參謀長的說法嗎\n我想主要還是在於相關的這些了解這個現象之後那我們應該要定期的來去檢視這些相關的一個\n因為從5月8號到今天已經有一段時間了沒有 他們現在就要有一些綠點有提出報告給您了嗎是 他們都有相關的報告上來所以您有掌握另外有一個很重要的問題這個也牽涉到就是到時候今天大概沒有送進來就是有關於我們前進國造的這部分的預算的解凍的問題\n請問一下本來4月份我們的海昆號應該進行海上測試結果延後延到5月5月現在已經5月中旬了那請問一下部長我們現在這個海昆號的海測的時間確定了嗎還是仍然在不確定中\n我想我們現在應該是說我們會進入測試這個測試的一個最後的階段我們還是要確認達到海上測試的安全條件我們才會決定實際出海的一個時程所以現在到目前為止沒有辦法確定出海的時間是嗎\n我沒有辦法給委員一個確切的一個意見那另外請教這個禁新聞就是這兩天有一個內部消息說為什麼會推遲我們的這個海昆號的海測主要是出現了主機故障這個是確實的嗎我想主機的一個都還在進行一個測試調校的過程當中所以確實有主機故障的狀況\n主機應該是說我們還在進行一個系統的一個聯測我想還在進行這樣的一個調教我想備變之後應該就可以來進行海測所以這個報導沒有錯誤\n應該是說我們主機本來就是要進行做一些聯測調校的一個過程那這些驗測我們一定要完全合乎標準了之後我們才會再進行所以顯然到現在沒有合乎標準所以有關於海測的部分當然我們必須要基於一個整個的安全至上因為我們海測是由我們海軍會支援去測試嗎\n是吧 海軍會支援測試吧海軍支援測試是不是支援就是這個測試總要有人去測試啊那當然所以我們海軍會支援測試是那我想請問一下那相關的保險買了嗎\n因為測試一定需要保險請問一下保險已經買了嗎然後是應該是國外的吧因為國內我想應該大概沒辦法承受這麼大的我們相關只要跟出海測試有相關的保險台船公司跟我們所有那邊有關的專案團隊的保險部分都已經做完完善的規劃所以有關於海昆號海測的部分保險的部分已經有完備是\n好谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.449 --> 00:09.794\n好謝謝主席請顧立雄部長還有我們的空軍司令部參謀長好有請顧部長有請參謀長空軍嗎\n\n00:18.571 --> 00:41.397\n部長參謀長在今年的5月8號其實發生了一個非常嚴重的事情就是在松山機場的松址部竟然停電將近8個小時之久那這個事情第一時間我看到媒體的報導部長說都有掌握我想部長恐怕掌握的是有停電的狀況\n\n00:42.637 --> 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