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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:06,162 --> 00:00:08,443\n第一個問題請教一下司法院跟法務部的代表\n\n2\n00:00:23,749 --> 00:00:41,841\nPBS民調對賴清德總統執政週年針對11個面向各項施政的滿意跟不滿意度做出了民調知不知道在司法改革滿意度排名第幾名司法院副秘書長知不知道有在那個媒體上看到排名第幾名滿意度是排名最後\n\n3\n00:00:52,429 --> 00:01:18,828\n最後一名不滿意度呢最高所以你對賴清德總統執政週年到目前為止事發改革你打幾分您個人打幾分不好打分數來請法務部部長那個民調是可以做一個參考所以你個人打幾分這個我是認為是及格你認為是及格嘛好來\n\n4\n00:01:19,673 --> 00:01:46,636\n我們來看一下啦部長的認知為什麼跟一般的民眾啊脫節這麼嚴重第一個問題啊又一個重大的金融犯跑啦徐少東啊關係很好啊後台很硬啊跑啦來請教一下現在發布通緝了沒有呃這個是因為這個是審理中的一個案件有沒有發布通緝這是要看法院來法院發布通緝了沒有\n\n5\n00:01:48,063 --> 00:01:50,504\n目前還沒有為什麼還沒有為什麼還沒有多給他一點時間跑嗎現在還在具體應該是還在具體階段你覺得具體的到嗎來請教法務部部長這個個案最高檢察總長講了好幾次啊\n\n6\n00:02:13,451 --> 00:02:32,903\n這種案子要盯好啊但我現在看不懂啊一個基本的問題徐少東在這個案子以前有沒有被通緝過徐少東在這件以前沒有通緝過來看一下早就多次被通緝了啦法院的裁定寫得很清楚啦\n\n7\n00:02:33,891 --> 00:02:58,502\n之前他跟法院申請延長有關於禁止出境出海的法院判決理由寫得很清楚啊前面有通緝未到案的紀錄還不是一次欸好幾次欸然後法院在裁定理由當中認定什麼認定說他有應變計畫有私下管道能夠出境\n\n8\n00:02:59,865 --> 00:03:28,724\n結果咧結果好笑了要不要羈押是一回事有實施電子監控嗎有嗎這部分齁這部分那個二審的檢察官有建立那個法院這部分要實施電子監控然後法院沒有採因為沒有開庭還沒有到開庭就就所以嘛這案子來看一下齁第一刻啊二審判了12年\n\n9\n00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:40,863\n重刑犯而且那個徐少東啊可怕的是什麼他不是只有吸金洗錢耶他沒有違反反滲透法被起訴\n\n10\n00:03:42,571 --> 00:03:58,219\n有沒有這部分我們有申請羈押但是因為法院不准我們一層一層來嘛現在人民看不懂嘛我們檢察官這部分都有申請羈押那個法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答好不好法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答可以嗎可以嗎可以嗎這可以好來人民看不懂嗎\n\n11\n00:04:10,814 --> 00:04:30,951\n跑了好幾次被通緝啊重判12年啊還違反反滲透法結果咧沒有羈押就算了連電子監控也沒有連電子監控也沒有我有說錯嗎沒有啊現在人跑了啊\n\n12\n00:04:32,213 --> 00:04:51,652\n我最簡單一個事情誰要負責還是法務部跟司法院繼續上演踢皮球大賽來部長你覺得誰要負責這部分我們檢查在這三個案件都有申請羈押來司法院副秘書長所以是不是法官要檢討是不是這樣這個部分那個法院\n\n13\n00:04:56,471 --> 00:05:24,365\n在二審的那個法院呢他是有訂那個庭期就是要準備要那個對吧來這個案子審理多久了這個案子審理多久了人跑了現在才說啊我們原來有要訂庭期啊去年的時候就已經判12年了然後現在突然說人跑了開始裝忙說法院要訂庭期toolate\n\n14\n00:05:25,424 --> 00:05:50,803\n人跑掉了是這樣嗎你可能跟委員報告齁就是從四月中文字那個案件之後呢其實司法院也都有就是請我老實講啦中文字是第一個案子嗎之前諸葛隆不就跑掉了嗎諸葛隆跑掉了法務部司法院要不要各自回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿\n\n15\n00:05:52,981 --> 00:06:21,528\n要不要回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿朱國榮跑了裝忙一陣子鍾文智跑了再裝忙一陣子現在連徐少東都跑了為什麼人民對司法這麼憤怒有關係就沒關係嘛人家後台硬啊違反反滲透法又怎麼樣背叛12年又怎麼樣不要說沒有羈押啊連電子監控都沒有\n\n16\n00:06:24,234 --> 00:06:52,551\n來請法務部部長不好意思來請調查局副局長我接到檢舉啊調查局是不是有個調查官啊裝密錄器在超商偷拍未成年少女的群體有沒有這回事有這回事我們已經在依照我們的程序在處理了什麼時候發生的事情應該是大概兩個禮拜以前兩個禮拜以前處理到今天處理成什麼樣子\n\n17\n00:06:53,766 --> 00:07:14,999\n我們已經土茶室也找他來約談過然後呢我們會盡快的開考機會來做處理現在有停職嗎目前沒有停職目前沒有停職我們要經過考機會要經過一定程序之後才會做這樣的處理可以快點開嗎會盡快我們會盡快開不是啊做這種令人髮指的行為啊做這種令人髮指的行為\n\n18\n00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:40,380\n結果你們調查員裡面的人跟我檢舉啊說看他好好的沒有事啊連停職都沒有啊這什麼官真啊報告員我們在知道這個狀況第二天我們就已經對他處長找他約談過然後咧整個狀況我們會什麼時候開考記會我們會盡快安排就開考記會盡快是多久我想我們會回去之後我們已經在討論我們在找適當的時間我會盡快還要在找適當的時間喔這樣的人還適合繼續當調查官嗎\n\n19\n00:07:47,455 --> 00:08:09,689\n請調查局盡快不要讓大家產生錯覺一個堂堂的調查官做這種令人髮指的事情結果現在還好好的什麼事都沒有來接下來請法務部部長從列同的案子大家就開始在講無期徒刑\n\n20\n00:08:13,851 --> 00:08:40,512\n台灣的無期徒刑根本是假的台灣的無期徒刑是假的沒有真的在搞無期徒刑我們從具體的案子來講1999年一個大黑道殺人罪遭判無期徒刑2017年假釋出獄負保護管束結果咧把假釋放出來了以後做了什麼事情來我們繼續看\n\n21\n00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:58,414\n把假釋放出來了以後繼續啊搞買兇殺人啊洗錢啊詐欺啊恐嚇取材啊樣樣都來啊第一個問題啊法務部有沒有檢討當初這個假釋是怎麼做的有跟委員報告事實上這個假釋的這個問題假釋的要件是什麼\n\n22\n00:09:05,987 --> 00:09:27,837\n假釋的話就是有千毀十據然後呢執行的有超過有些二分之一這樣就可以囉那武器農要二十萬這不過還是要千毀十據啦要具體個案所以你覺得他這樣有千毀十據嗎這部分是那時候是如果有千毀十據的人出來又買兇殺人又洗錢又詐欺又恐嚇取材喔你不會覺得很諷刺嗎\n\n23\n00:09:29,668 --> 00:09:55,206\n這個假釋認定是怎麼定的有缺毀時劇認定他有缺毀時劇結果出來又買兇殺人造成更大的危害當初這個假釋誰准的這個是應該十一年級回去了解好不好這個假釋應該是在十幾年前的時候的一樣嘛2017年就放出來了我時間有講錯嗎\n\n24\n00:09:57,250 --> 00:10:15,846\n那這部分我們回去再做一個了解需要多久一個禮拜可不可以兩個禮拜而已好兩個禮拜當初假釋怎麼準的提書面報告給本委員會啊提書面報告給本委員會啊為什麼人民對無期徒刑沒有信心搞假的嘛\n\n25\n00:10:17,688 --> 00:10:37,811\n殺人了判無期徒刑又怎麼樣所以這部分我們有提一個草案就是對特殊重大暴力類型的犯罪比如說殺人殺人未遂判無期徒刑有期徒刑逾十年這邊受刑我們是有提修正案是不得假釋好這個修正案現在到哪裡在行政院審查中行政院還要審查多久\n\n26\n00:10:38,956 --> 00:10:52,763\n已經開兩次審查一樣嘛我們又陷入了無限巡迴嘛當初崔少哲保護法法務部也是說我們早就提出來了一直在行政院審查研議審查恩典\n\n27\n00:10:55,121 --> 00:11:22,167\n棄保潛逃罪不法關說罪一模一樣法務部也是說我們早提出來了就在行政院研議研議N年來就有關於法務部所謂提出來的這個法案部長你判斷行政院還要研議多久嗯這部分我們沒有辦法判斷這我們會會禁訴會禁訴對這不是到行政院了嗎對在這部分我們會這個你可以禁訴缺少者保護法沒辦法禁訴\n\n28\n00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:49,889\n不法關說沒辦法禁訴棄保潛逃沒辦法禁訴請部長回去轉告行政院院長卓榮泰人民很憤怒啊人民很憤怒啊問一下卓榮泰他還要研議多久問一下卓榮泰他還要研議多久全民都在等他的答案這委員放心啊這個我們會放心從你們過去的時機有辦法放心嗎\n\n29\n00:11:52,157 --> 00:12:16,632\n從你們過去的時期有辦法放心嗎好來繼續再往下看2012年民間司改會發動了一個追緝二檢的行動針對檢察官在問案的時候威脅恐嚇逼人認罪壓人取共提出沉痛的呼籲當初這個追緝二檢行動的三位大將\n\n30\n00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:43,567\n一位林峰正現在不當黨產管理委員會主任委員一位顧立雄現在是國防部部長一位游博翔現在到憲法法庭當大法官當初這三位代表民間司改會要出來追緝二檢講的話是直立有聲請問一下部長你覺得當初要追緝二檢的問題今天還存在嗎\n\n31\n00:12:45,565 --> 00:13:14,461\n這部分我們都有通函我們就有要求任何的機會就要求我們這個在依法定程序所以你沒有回答我的問題嗎這段問題還存在嗎我們是隨時注意我想這個所謂二檢這部分我們就依法官法這部分我們要做一個依法官來做一個處理做什麼處理不要講空洞的啦講那麼空泛的\n\n32\n00:13:15,783 --> 00:13:35,495\n事實上我們有受理,依法官受理檢查個案拼件已經有982件,每年收案217件我們看一下當初監察院是怎麼糾正法務部的來看一下,這是十幾年前檢察官代表國家刑事犯罪偵查追溯\n\n33\n00:13:36,428 --> 00:14:04,030\n以不當的方式怒罵威脅受詢問人不僅是個人的言行不當更嚴重損及國家形象及司法尊嚴也侵害受詢問人人權的保障十幾年前我這三位民間司改會的夥伴講的是直立有聲現在呢現在呢現在會不會出現這樣的狀況我希望部長回去\n\n34\n00:14:05,168 --> 00:14:24,416\n好好的了解一下第一線實際上面的狀況好好的了解今天我敢在這邊公開質詢我手上就是有實據我很想把錄音帶放出來好好讓全民聽一聽我們的檢察官現在是怎麼在問案的好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6162\t8443\t第一個問題請教一下司法院跟法務部的代表\n23749\t41841\tPBS民調對賴清德總統執政週年針對11個面向各項施政的滿意跟不滿意度做出了民調知不知道在司法改革滿意度排名第幾名司法院副秘書長知不知道有在那個媒體上看到排名第幾名滿意度是排名最後\n52429\t78828\t最後一名 不滿意度呢最高所以你對賴清德總統執政週年到目前為止事發改革你打幾分您個人打幾分不好打分數 來請法務部部長那個民調是可以做一個參考所以你個人打幾分這個我是認為是及格你認為是及格嘛 好來\n79673\t106636\t我們來看一下啦 部長的認知為什麼跟一般的民眾啊 脫節這麼嚴重第一個問題啊 又一個重大的金融犯跑啦徐少東啊 關係很好啊 後台很硬啊跑啦來 請教一下 現在發布通緝了沒有呃 這個是 因為這個是審理中的一個案件有沒有發布通緝 這是要看法院來 法院發布通緝了沒有\n108063\t110504\t目前還沒有為什麼還沒有為什麼還沒有 多給他一點時間跑嗎現在還在具體 應該是還在具體階段你覺得具體的到嗎來 請教法務部部長 這個個案最高檢察總長講了好幾次啊\n133451\t152903\t這種案子要盯好啊但我現在看不懂啊一個基本的問題徐少東在這個案子以前有沒有被通緝過徐少東在這件以前沒有通緝過來看一下早就多次被通緝了啦法院的裁定寫得很清楚啦\n153891\t178502\t之前他跟法院申請延長有關於禁止出境出海的法院判決理由寫得很清楚啊前面有通緝未到案的紀錄還不是一次欸好幾次欸然後法院在裁定理由當中認定什麼認定說他有應變計畫有私下管道能夠出境\n179865\t208724\t結果咧結果好笑了要不要羈押是一回事有實施電子監控嗎有嗎這部分齁這部分那個二審的檢察官有建立那個法院這部分要實施電子監控然後法院沒有採因為沒有開庭還沒有到開庭就就所以嘛這案子來看一下齁第一刻啊二審判了12年\n210580\t220863\t重刑犯而且那個徐少東啊可怕的是什麼他不是只有吸金洗錢耶他沒有違反反滲透法被起訴\n222571\t238219\t有沒有這部分我們有申請羈押但是因為法院不准我們一層一層來嘛現在人民看不懂嘛我們檢察官這部分都有申請羈押那個法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答好不好法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答可以嗎可以嗎可以嗎這可以好來人民看不懂嗎\n250814\t270951\t跑了好幾次被通緝啊重判12年啊還違反反滲透法結果咧沒有羈押就算了連電子監控也沒有連電子監控也沒有 我有說錯嗎 沒有啊現在人跑了啊\n272213\t291652\t我最簡單一個事情誰要負責還是法務部跟司法院繼續上演踢皮球大賽來部長你覺得誰要負責這部分我們檢查在這三個案件都有申請羈押來司法院副秘書長所以是不是法官要檢討是不是這樣這個部分那個法院\n296471\t324365\t在二審的那個法院呢 他是有訂那個庭期就是要準備要那個 對吧來 這個案子審理多久了這個案子審理多久了人跑了現在才說 啊 我們原來有要訂庭期啊去年的時候就已經判12年了然後現在突然說人跑了 開始裝忙說法院要訂庭期too late\n325424\t350803\t人跑掉了是這樣嗎你可能跟委員報告齁就是從四月中文字那個案件之後呢其實司法院也都有就是請我老實講啦中文字是第一個案子嗎之前諸葛隆不就跑掉了嗎諸葛隆跑掉了法務部司法院要不要各自回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿\n352981\t381528\t要不要回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿朱國榮跑了 裝忙一陣子鍾文智跑了 再裝忙一陣子現在連徐少東都跑了為什麼人民對司法這麼憤怒有關係就沒關係嘛人家後台硬啊違反反滲透法又怎麼樣背叛12年又怎麼樣不要說沒有羈押啊連電子監控都沒有\n384234\t412551\t來請法務部部長不好意思來請調查局副局長我接到檢舉啊調查局是不是有個調查官啊裝密錄器在超商偷拍未成年少女的群體有沒有這回事有這回事我們已經在依照我們的程序在處理了什麼時候發生的事情應該是大概兩個禮拜以前兩個禮拜以前處理到今天處理成什麼樣子\n413766\t434999\t我們已經 土茶室也找他來約談過然後呢我們會盡快的開考機會來做處理現在有停職嗎目前沒有停職目前沒有停職我們要經過考機會要經過一定程序之後才會做這樣的處理可以快點開嗎會 盡快 我們會盡快開不是啊 做這種令人髮指的行為啊做這種令人髮指的行為\n436653\t460380\t結果你們調查員裡面的人跟我檢舉啊說看他好好的沒有事啊連停職都沒有啊這什麼官真啊報告員我們在知道這個狀況第二天我們就已經對他處長找他約談過然後咧整個狀況我們會什麼時候開考記會我們會盡快安排就開考記會盡快是多久我想我們會回去之後我們已經在討論我們在找適當的時間我會盡快還要在找適當的時間喔這樣的人還適合繼續當調查官嗎\n467455\t489689\t請調查局盡快不要讓大家產生錯覺一個堂堂的調查官做這種令人髮指的事情結果現在還好好的什麼事都沒有來接下來請法務部部長從列同的案子大家就開始在講無期徒刑\n493851\t520512\t台灣的無期徒刑根本是假的台灣的無期徒刑是假的沒有真的在搞無期徒刑我們從具體的案子來講1999年一個大黑道殺人罪遭判無期徒刑2017年假釋出獄負保護管束結果咧把假釋放出來了以後做了什麼事情來我們繼續看\n522469\t538414\t把假釋放出來了以後繼續啊搞買兇殺人啊洗錢啊詐欺啊恐嚇取材啊樣樣都來啊第一個問題啊法務部有沒有檢討當初這個假釋是怎麼做的有跟委員報告事實上這個假釋的這個問題假釋的要件是什麼\n545987\t567837\t假釋的話就是有千毀十據然後呢執行的有超過有些二分之一這樣就可以囉那武器農要二十萬這不過還是要千毀十據啦要具體個案所以你覺得他這樣有千毀十據嗎這部分是那時候是如果有千毀十據的人出來又買兇殺人又洗錢又詐欺又恐嚇取材喔你不會覺得很諷刺嗎\n569668\t595206\t這個假釋認定是怎麼定的 有缺毀時劇認定他有缺毀時劇結果出來又買兇殺人造成更大的危害當初這個假釋誰准的這個是應該十一年級回去了解好不好這個假釋應該是在十幾年前的時候的一樣嘛2017年就放出來了我時間有講錯嗎\n597250\t615846\t那這部分我們回去再做一個了解需要多久一個禮拜可不可以兩個禮拜而已好 兩個禮拜當初假釋怎麼準的提書面報告給本委員會啊提書面報告給本委員會啊為什麼人民對無期徒刑沒有信心搞假的嘛\n617688\t637811\t殺人了 判無期徒刑又怎麼樣所以這部分我們有提一個草案就是對特殊重大暴力類型的犯罪比如說殺人 殺人未遂判無期徒刑有期徒刑逾十年這邊受刑我們是有提修正案是不得假釋好 這個修正案現在到哪裡在行政院審查中行政院還要審查多久\n638956\t652763\t已經開兩次審查 一樣嘛我們又陷入了無限巡迴嘛當初崔少哲保護法 法務部也是說我們早就提出來了一直在行政院審查 研議審查恩典\n655121\t682167\t棄保潛逃罪不法關說罪一模一樣法務部也是說我們早提出來了就在行政院研議研議N年來就有關於法務部所謂提出來的這個法案部長你判斷行政院還要研議多久嗯這部分我們沒有辦法判斷這我們會會禁訴會禁訴對這不是到行政院了嗎對在這部分我們會這個你可以禁訴缺少者保護法沒辦法禁訴\n684110\t709889\t不法關說沒辦法禁訴 棄保潛逃沒辦法禁訴請部長回去轉告行政院院長卓榮泰人民很憤怒啊 人民很憤怒啊問一下卓榮泰 他還要研議多久問一下卓榮泰 他還要研議多久全民都在等他的答案這委員放心啊 這個我們會放心 從你們過去的時機有辦法放心嗎\n712157\t736632\t從你們過去的時期有辦法放心嗎好來繼續再往下看2012年民間司改會發動了一個追緝二檢的行動針對檢察官在問案的時候威脅 恐嚇逼人認罪 壓人取共提出沉痛的呼籲當初這個追緝二檢行動的三位大將\n738120\t763567\t一位林峰正現在不當黨產管理委員會主任委員一位顧立雄現在是國防部部長一位游博翔現在到憲法法庭當大法官當初這三位代表民間司改會要出來追緝二檢講的話是直立有聲請問一下部長你覺得當初要追緝二檢的問題今天還存在嗎\n765565\t794461\t這部分我們都有通函我們就有要求任何的機會就要求我們這個在依法定程序所以你沒有回答我的問題嗎這段問題還存在嗎我們是隨時注意我想這個所謂二檢這部分我們就依法官法這部分我們要做一個依法官來做一個處理做什麼處理 不要講空洞的啦講那麼空泛的\n795783\t815495\t事實上我們有受理,依法官受理檢查個案拼件已經有982件,每年收案217件我們看一下當初監察院是怎麼糾正法務部的來看一下,這是十幾年前檢察官代表國家刑事犯罪偵查追溯\n816428\t844030\t以不當的方式怒罵威脅受詢問人不僅是個人的言行不當更嚴重損及國家形象及司法尊嚴也侵害受詢問人人權的保障十幾年前我這三位民間司改會的夥伴講的是直立有聲現在呢現在呢現在會不會出現這樣的狀況我希望部長回去\n845168\t864416\t好好的了解一下第一線實際上面的狀況好好的了解今天我敢在這邊公開質詢我手上就是有實據我很想把錄音帶放出來好好讓全民聽一聽我們的檢察官現在是怎麼在問案的好 謝謝\n","txt":"第一個問題請教一下司法院跟法務部的代表\nPBS民調對賴清德總統執政週年針對11個面向各項施政的滿意跟不滿意度做出了民調知不知道在司法改革滿意度排名第幾名司法院副秘書長知不知道有在那個媒體上看到排名第幾名滿意度是排名最後\n最後一名 不滿意度呢最高所以你對賴清德總統執政週年到目前為止事發改革你打幾分您個人打幾分不好打分數 來請法務部部長那個民調是可以做一個參考所以你個人打幾分這個我是認為是及格你認為是及格嘛 好來\n我們來看一下啦 部長的認知為什麼跟一般的民眾啊 脫節這麼嚴重第一個問題啊 又一個重大的金融犯跑啦徐少東啊 關係很好啊 後台很硬啊跑啦來 請教一下 現在發布通緝了沒有呃 這個是 因為這個是審理中的一個案件有沒有發布通緝 這是要看法院來 法院發布通緝了沒有\n目前還沒有為什麼還沒有為什麼還沒有 多給他一點時間跑嗎現在還在具體 應該是還在具體階段你覺得具體的到嗎來 請教法務部部長 這個個案最高檢察總長講了好幾次啊\n這種案子要盯好啊但我現在看不懂啊一個基本的問題徐少東在這個案子以前有沒有被通緝過徐少東在這件以前沒有通緝過來看一下早就多次被通緝了啦法院的裁定寫得很清楚啦\n之前他跟法院申請延長有關於禁止出境出海的法院判決理由寫得很清楚啊前面有通緝未到案的紀錄還不是一次欸好幾次欸然後法院在裁定理由當中認定什麼認定說他有應變計畫有私下管道能夠出境\n結果咧結果好笑了要不要羈押是一回事有實施電子監控嗎有嗎這部分齁這部分那個二審的檢察官有建立那個法院這部分要實施電子監控然後法院沒有採因為沒有開庭還沒有到開庭就就所以嘛這案子來看一下齁第一刻啊二審判了12年\n重刑犯而且那個徐少東啊可怕的是什麼他不是只有吸金洗錢耶他沒有違反反滲透法被起訴\n有沒有這部分我們有申請羈押但是因為法院不准我們一層一層來嘛現在人民看不懂嘛我們檢察官這部分都有申請羈押那個法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答好不好法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答可以嗎可以嗎可以嗎這可以好來人民看不懂嗎\n跑了好幾次被通緝啊重判12年啊還違反反滲透法結果咧沒有羈押就算了連電子監控也沒有連電子監控也沒有 我有說錯嗎 沒有啊現在人跑了啊\n我最簡單一個事情誰要負責還是法務部跟司法院繼續上演踢皮球大賽來部長你覺得誰要負責這部分我們檢查在這三個案件都有申請羈押來司法院副秘書長所以是不是法官要檢討是不是這樣這個部分那個法院\n在二審的那個法院呢 他是有訂那個庭期就是要準備要那個 對吧來 這個案子審理多久了這個案子審理多久了人跑了現在才說 啊 我們原來有要訂庭期啊去年的時候就已經判12年了然後現在突然說人跑了 開始裝忙說法院要訂庭期too late\n人跑掉了是這樣嗎你可能跟委員報告齁就是從四月中文字那個案件之後呢其實司法院也都有就是請我老實講啦中文字是第一個案子嗎之前諸葛隆不就跑掉了嗎諸葛隆跑掉了法務部司法院要不要各自回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿\n要不要回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿朱國榮跑了 裝忙一陣子鍾文智跑了 再裝忙一陣子現在連徐少東都跑了為什麼人民對司法這麼憤怒有關係就沒關係嘛人家後台硬啊違反反滲透法又怎麼樣背叛12年又怎麼樣不要說沒有羈押啊連電子監控都沒有\n來請法務部部長不好意思來請調查局副局長我接到檢舉啊調查局是不是有個調查官啊裝密錄器在超商偷拍未成年少女的群體有沒有這回事有這回事我們已經在依照我們的程序在處理了什麼時候發生的事情應該是大概兩個禮拜以前兩個禮拜以前處理到今天處理成什麼樣子\n我們已經 土茶室也找他來約談過然後呢我們會盡快的開考機會來做處理現在有停職嗎目前沒有停職目前沒有停職我們要經過考機會要經過一定程序之後才會做這樣的處理可以快點開嗎會 盡快 我們會盡快開不是啊 做這種令人髮指的行為啊做這種令人髮指的行為\n結果你們調查員裡面的人跟我檢舉啊說看他好好的沒有事啊連停職都沒有啊這什麼官真啊報告員我們在知道這個狀況第二天我們就已經對他處長找他約談過然後咧整個狀況我們會什麼時候開考記會我們會盡快安排就開考記會盡快是多久我想我們會回去之後我們已經在討論我們在找適當的時間我會盡快還要在找適當的時間喔這樣的人還適合繼續當調查官嗎\n請調查局盡快不要讓大家產生錯覺一個堂堂的調查官做這種令人髮指的事情結果現在還好好的什麼事都沒有來接下來請法務部部長從列同的案子大家就開始在講無期徒刑\n台灣的無期徒刑根本是假的台灣的無期徒刑是假的沒有真的在搞無期徒刑我們從具體的案子來講1999年一個大黑道殺人罪遭判無期徒刑2017年假釋出獄負保護管束結果咧把假釋放出來了以後做了什麼事情來我們繼續看\n把假釋放出來了以後繼續啊搞買兇殺人啊洗錢啊詐欺啊恐嚇取材啊樣樣都來啊第一個問題啊法務部有沒有檢討當初這個假釋是怎麼做的有跟委員報告事實上這個假釋的這個問題假釋的要件是什麼\n假釋的話就是有千毀十據然後呢執行的有超過有些二分之一這樣就可以囉那武器農要二十萬這不過還是要千毀十據啦要具體個案所以你覺得他這樣有千毀十據嗎這部分是那時候是如果有千毀十據的人出來又買兇殺人又洗錢又詐欺又恐嚇取材喔你不會覺得很諷刺嗎\n這個假釋認定是怎麼定的 有缺毀時劇認定他有缺毀時劇結果出來又買兇殺人造成更大的危害當初這個假釋誰准的這個是應該十一年級回去了解好不好這個假釋應該是在十幾年前的時候的一樣嘛2017年就放出來了我時間有講錯嗎\n那這部分我們回去再做一個了解需要多久一個禮拜可不可以兩個禮拜而已好 兩個禮拜當初假釋怎麼準的提書面報告給本委員會啊提書面報告給本委員會啊為什麼人民對無期徒刑沒有信心搞假的嘛\n殺人了 判無期徒刑又怎麼樣所以這部分我們有提一個草案就是對特殊重大暴力類型的犯罪比如說殺人 殺人未遂判無期徒刑有期徒刑逾十年這邊受刑我們是有提修正案是不得假釋好 這個修正案現在到哪裡在行政院審查中行政院還要審查多久\n已經開兩次審查 一樣嘛我們又陷入了無限巡迴嘛當初崔少哲保護法 法務部也是說我們早就提出來了一直在行政院審查 研議審查恩典\n棄保潛逃罪不法關說罪一模一樣法務部也是說我們早提出來了就在行政院研議研議N年來就有關於法務部所謂提出來的這個法案部長你判斷行政院還要研議多久嗯這部分我們沒有辦法判斷這我們會會禁訴會禁訴對這不是到行政院了嗎對在這部分我們會這個你可以禁訴缺少者保護法沒辦法禁訴\n不法關說沒辦法禁訴 棄保潛逃沒辦法禁訴請部長回去轉告行政院院長卓榮泰人民很憤怒啊 人民很憤怒啊問一下卓榮泰 他還要研議多久問一下卓榮泰 他還要研議多久全民都在等他的答案這委員放心啊 這個我們會放心 從你們過去的時機有辦法放心嗎\n從你們過去的時期有辦法放心嗎好來繼續再往下看2012年民間司改會發動了一個追緝二檢的行動針對檢察官在問案的時候威脅 恐嚇逼人認罪 壓人取共提出沉痛的呼籲當初這個追緝二檢行動的三位大將\n一位林峰正現在不當黨產管理委員會主任委員一位顧立雄現在是國防部部長一位游博翔現在到憲法法庭當大法官當初這三位代表民間司改會要出來追緝二檢講的話是直立有聲請問一下部長你覺得當初要追緝二檢的問題今天還存在嗎\n這部分我們都有通函我們就有要求任何的機會就要求我們這個在依法定程序所以你沒有回答我的問題嗎這段問題還存在嗎我們是隨時注意我想這個所謂二檢這部分我們就依法官法這部分我們要做一個依法官來做一個處理做什麼處理 不要講空洞的啦講那麼空泛的\n事實上我們有受理,依法官受理檢查個案拼件已經有982件,每年收案217件我們看一下當初監察院是怎麼糾正法務部的來看一下,這是十幾年前檢察官代表國家刑事犯罪偵查追溯\n以不當的方式怒罵威脅受詢問人不僅是個人的言行不當更嚴重損及國家形象及司法尊嚴也侵害受詢問人人權的保障十幾年前我這三位民間司改會的夥伴講的是直立有聲現在呢現在呢現在會不會出現這樣的狀況我希望部長回去\n好好的了解一下第一線實際上面的狀況好好的了解今天我敢在這邊公開質詢我手上就是有實據我很想把錄音帶放出來好好讓全民聽一聽我們的檢察官現在是怎麼在問案的好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.162 --> 00:08.443\n第一個問題請教一下司法院跟法務部的代表\n\n00:23.749 --> 00:41.841\nPBS民調對賴清德總統執政週年針對11個面向各項施政的滿意跟不滿意度做出了民調知不知道在司法改革滿意度排名第幾名司法院副秘書長知不知道有在那個媒體上看到排名第幾名滿意度是排名最後\n\n00:52.429 --> 01:18.828\n最後一名不滿意度呢最高所以你對賴清德總統執政週年到目前為止事發改革你打幾分您個人打幾分不好打分數來請法務部部長那個民調是可以做一個參考所以你個人打幾分這個我是認為是及格你認為是及格嘛好來\n\n01:19.673 --> 01:46.636\n我們來看一下啦部長的認知為什麼跟一般的民眾啊脫節這麼嚴重第一個問題啊又一個重大的金融犯跑啦徐少東啊關係很好啊後台很硬啊跑啦來請教一下現在發布通緝了沒有呃這個是因為這個是審理中的一個案件有沒有發布通緝這是要看法院來法院發布通緝了沒有\n\n01:48.063 --> 01:50.504\n目前還沒有為什麼還沒有為什麼還沒有多給他一點時間跑嗎現在還在具體應該是還在具體階段你覺得具體的到嗎來請教法務部部長這個個案最高檢察總長講了好幾次啊\n\n02:13.451 --> 02:32.903\n這種案子要盯好啊但我現在看不懂啊一個基本的問題徐少東在這個案子以前有沒有被通緝過徐少東在這件以前沒有通緝過來看一下早就多次被通緝了啦法院的裁定寫得很清楚啦\n\n02:33.891 --> 02:58.502\n之前他跟法院申請延長有關於禁止出境出海的法院判決理由寫得很清楚啊前面有通緝未到案的紀錄還不是一次欸好幾次欸然後法院在裁定理由當中認定什麼認定說他有應變計畫有私下管道能夠出境\n\n02:59.865 --> 03:28.724\n結果咧結果好笑了要不要羈押是一回事有實施電子監控嗎有嗎這部分齁這部分那個二審的檢察官有建立那個法院這部分要實施電子監控然後法院沒有採因為沒有開庭還沒有到開庭就就所以嘛這案子來看一下齁第一刻啊二審判了12年\n\n03:30.580 --> 03:40.863\n重刑犯而且那個徐少東啊可怕的是什麼他不是只有吸金洗錢耶他沒有違反反滲透法被起訴\n\n03:42.571 --> 03:58.219\n有沒有這部分我們有申請羈押但是因為法院不准我們一層一層來嘛現在人民看不懂嘛我們檢察官這部分都有申請羈押那個法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答好不好法務部部長請你聽我問完問題再回答可以嗎可以嗎可以嗎這可以好來人民看不懂嗎\n\n04:10.814 --> 04:30.951\n跑了好幾次被通緝啊重判12年啊還違反反滲透法結果咧沒有羈押就算了連電子監控也沒有連電子監控也沒有我有說錯嗎沒有啊現在人跑了啊\n\n04:32.213 --> 04:51.652\n我最簡單一個事情誰要負責還是法務部跟司法院繼續上演踢皮球大賽來部長你覺得誰要負責這部分我們檢查在這三個案件都有申請羈押來司法院副秘書長所以是不是法官要檢討是不是這樣這個部分那個法院\n\n04:56.471 --> 05:24.365\n在二審的那個法院呢他是有訂那個庭期就是要準備要那個對吧來這個案子審理多久了這個案子審理多久了人跑了現在才說啊我們原來有要訂庭期啊去年的時候就已經判12年了然後現在突然說人跑了開始裝忙說法院要訂庭期toolate\n\n05:25.424 --> 05:50.803\n人跑掉了是這樣嗎你可能跟委員報告齁就是從四月中文字那個案件之後呢其實司法院也都有就是請我老實講啦中文字是第一個案子嗎之前諸葛隆不就跑掉了嗎諸葛隆跑掉了法務部司法院要不要各自回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿\n\n05:52.981 --> 06:21.528\n要不要回去看一看你們當初發了什麼新聞稿朱國榮跑了裝忙一陣子鍾文智跑了再裝忙一陣子現在連徐少東都跑了為什麼人民對司法這麼憤怒有關係就沒關係嘛人家後台硬啊違反反滲透法又怎麼樣背叛12年又怎麼樣不要說沒有羈押啊連電子監控都沒有\n\n06:24.234 --> 06:52.551\n來請法務部部長不好意思來請調查局副局長我接到檢舉啊調查局是不是有個調查官啊裝密錄器在超商偷拍未成年少女的群體有沒有這回事有這回事我們已經在依照我們的程序在處理了什麼時候發生的事情應該是大概兩個禮拜以前兩個禮拜以前處理到今天處理成什麼樣子\n\n06:53.766 --> 07:14.999\n我們已經土茶室也找他來約談過然後呢我們會盡快的開考機會來做處理現在有停職嗎目前沒有停職目前沒有停職我們要經過考機會要經過一定程序之後才會做這樣的處理可以快點開嗎會盡快我們會盡快開不是啊做這種令人髮指的行為啊做這種令人髮指的行為\n\n07:16.653 --> 07:40.380\n結果你們調查員裡面的人跟我檢舉啊說看他好好的沒有事啊連停職都沒有啊這什麼官真啊報告員我們在知道這個狀況第二天我們就已經對他處長找他約談過然後咧整個狀況我們會什麼時候開考記會我們會盡快安排就開考記會盡快是多久我想我們會回去之後我們已經在討論我們在找適當的時間我會盡快還要在找適當的時間喔這樣的人還適合繼續當調查官嗎\n\n07:47.455 --> 08:09.689\n請調查局盡快不要讓大家產生錯覺一個堂堂的調查官做這種令人髮指的事情結果現在還好好的什麼事都沒有來接下來請法務部部長從列同的案子大家就開始在講無期徒刑\n\n08:13.851 --> 08:40.512\n台灣的無期徒刑根本是假的台灣的無期徒刑是假的沒有真的在搞無期徒刑我們從具體的案子來講1999年一個大黑道殺人罪遭判無期徒刑2017年假釋出獄負保護管束結果咧把假釋放出來了以後做了什麼事情來我們繼續看\n\n08:42.469 --> 08:58.414\n把假釋放出來了以後繼續啊搞買兇殺人啊洗錢啊詐欺啊恐嚇取材啊樣樣都來啊第一個問題啊法務部有沒有檢討當初這個假釋是怎麼做的有跟委員報告事實上這個假釋的這個問題假釋的要件是什麼\n\n09:05.987 --> 09:27.837\n假釋的話就是有千毀十據然後呢執行的有超過有些二分之一這樣就可以囉那武器農要二十萬這不過還是要千毀十據啦要具體個案所以你覺得他這樣有千毀十據嗎這部分是那時候是如果有千毀十據的人出來又買兇殺人又洗錢又詐欺又恐嚇取材喔你不會覺得很諷刺嗎\n\n09:29.668 --> 09:55.206\n這個假釋認定是怎麼定的有缺毀時劇認定他有缺毀時劇結果出來又買兇殺人造成更大的危害當初這個假釋誰准的這個是應該十一年級回去了解好不好這個假釋應該是在十幾年前的時候的一樣嘛2017年就放出來了我時間有講錯嗎\n\n09:57.250 --> 10:15.846\n那這部分我們回去再做一個了解需要多久一個禮拜可不可以兩個禮拜而已好兩個禮拜當初假釋怎麼準的提書面報告給本委員會啊提書面報告給本委員會啊為什麼人民對無期徒刑沒有信心搞假的嘛\n\n10:17.688 --> 10:37.811\n殺人了判無期徒刑又怎麼樣所以這部分我們有提一個草案就是對特殊重大暴力類型的犯罪比如說殺人殺人未遂判無期徒刑有期徒刑逾十年這邊受刑我們是有提修正案是不得假釋好這個修正案現在到哪裡在行政院審查中行政院還要審查多久\n\n10:38.956 --> 10:52.763\n已經開兩次審查一樣嘛我們又陷入了無限巡迴嘛當初崔少哲保護法法務部也是說我們早就提出來了一直在行政院審查研議審查恩典\n\n10:55.121 --> 11:22.167\n棄保潛逃罪不法關說罪一模一樣法務部也是說我們早提出來了就在行政院研議研議N年來就有關於法務部所謂提出來的這個法案部長你判斷行政院還要研議多久嗯這部分我們沒有辦法判斷這我們會會禁訴會禁訴對這不是到行政院了嗎對在這部分我們會這個你可以禁訴缺少者保護法沒辦法禁訴\n\n11:24.110 --> 11:49.889\n不法關說沒辦法禁訴棄保潛逃沒辦法禁訴請部長回去轉告行政院院長卓榮泰人民很憤怒啊人民很憤怒啊問一下卓榮泰他還要研議多久問一下卓榮泰他還要研議多久全民都在等他的答案這委員放心啊這個我們會放心從你們過去的時機有辦法放心嗎\n\n11:52.157 --> 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