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00:04:29,007\n駐派未來能不能勝任這是一個問題那另外就是現在南非代表處我一直從去年都關切在這個事上從去年10月30號就就說要我們代表處要遷移之後\n\n15\n00:04:29,827 --> 00:04:49,101\n期限在今年的31號3月31號到了今年的4月份南非政府雖然還沒有具體的回應我方的協商的訴求但也沒有採取具體的行動但本席認為不放心在上個月21號執行部長的時候特別強調炸彈\n\n16\n00:04:52,063 --> 00:05:18,539\n為這個奶味拆除提起外交部要特別注意到發展沒想到這個南非的外交部及官網將我國的駐南非代表處降級為辦事處外突然又更改為住處資訊所以這樣的一個降級又降級對我國來講的邦交的精神都沒有把我們台灣的外交精神存在了\n\n17\n00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:42,949\n那像這樣的你們在當時提醒你們的時候要危機處理而且不斷要你們要去雙邊溝通所以你說有溝通了但是後面後面問題來了所以把我們的外交的這一些辦事處變成了一個降級到我們剛剛我所談的就是資訊處\n\n18\n00:05:45,610 --> 00:05:57,424\n這樣的一個立場對我們來講的話外交的困境又添上了一個課題部長你回答這個問題我感謝委員不斷的提醒確實我們這個\n\n19\n00:06:00,567 --> 00:06:23,498\n並還沒有完全拆彈那它也會有可能新的動作不過我們的立場很清楚台灣跟南非的官司是建立在我們雙邊的協議那個才有效率至於說片面的行動我們不已接受也持續在交涉中那因為為什麼會有這樣子的小動作\n\n20\n00:06:24,878 --> 00:06:35,821\n大家也可以理解中國的壓力那他們也是想要可能要做一些怎麼樣的處理所以片面的去不管改名啦或者是把一些資訊把它隱含這個就是隱匿掉了這個其實是很像\n\n21\n00:06:43,137 --> 00:07:02,770\n比較是不成熟的做法那不只是說國際關切啦包括他們自己南非內部國會議員甚至他們自己執政聯盟裡面的政黨都不斷的表達就是反對這種片面行為因為如果南非是一個民主國家如果他遵守法律的話\n\n22\n00:07:03,370 --> 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尤其是基於外交\n那由國會議員去擔任是非常多我想您看到應該是美國這個川普政府就是一個例子那不只是他啦其他我想他們之前不管住日住中或是住在各國歐洲都有這個情形所以這個條件是符合的個人的\n這是問題或者是需要去回應的我想由當事人來說你們做一個思考能不能勝任你們再做一個最後的思考因為它本身就是有問題的一個\n駐派未來能不能勝任這是一個問題那另外就是現在南非代表處我一直從去年都關切在這個事上從去年10月30號就就說要我們代表處要遷移之後\n期限在今年的31號3月31號到了今年的4月份南非政府雖然還沒有具體的回應我方的協商的訴求但也沒有採取具體的行動但本席認為不放心在上個月21號執行部長的時候特別強調炸彈\n為這個奶味拆除提起外交部要特別注意到發展沒想到這個南非的外交部及官網將我國的駐南非代表處降級為辦事處外突然又更改為住處資訊所以這樣的一個降級又降級對我國來講的邦交的精神都沒有把我們台灣的外交精神存在了\n那像這樣的你們在當時提醒你們的時候要危機處理而且不斷要你們要去雙邊溝通所以你說有溝通了但是後面後面問題來了所以把我們的外交的這一些辦事處變成了一個降級到我們剛剛我所談的就是資訊處\n這樣的一個立場對我們來講的話外交的困境又添上了一個課題部長你回答這個問題我感謝委員不斷的提醒確實我們這個\n並還沒有完全拆彈那它也會有可能新的動作不過我們的立場很清楚台灣跟南非的官司是建立在我們雙邊的協議那個才有效率至於說片面的行動我們不已接受也持續在交涉中那因為為什麼會有這樣子的小動作\n大家也可以理解中國的壓力那他們也是想要可能要做一些怎麼樣的處理所以片面的去不管改名啦或者是把一些資訊把它隱含這個就是隱匿掉了這個其實是很像\n比較是不成熟的做法那不只是說國際關切啦包括他們自己南非內部國會議員甚至他們自己執政聯盟裡面的政黨都不斷的表達就是反對這種片面行為因為如果南非是一個民主國家如果他遵守法律的話\n他不應該片面這個形可是為什麼這個樣子我們當然了解背後的政治壓力跟利害可能介入其間所以我們是很謹慎的就是在處理這個事情我們不會認為說這個危機已經過了他是壓力還是持續在尤其今年南非要召開G20他們是主辦國家\n所以部長主席再給我一分鐘\n在外交此例上當我國不認同對方行為的時候以嚴重的程度不同分別為表達關切、遺憾、反對和抗議但本席只看到部長受訪的時候表達一些非正式的意見並沒有看到外交部向南非表達官方的外交態度所以連這個外交部的官網中也沒有\n對本事件的聲明或回應所以部長你有沒有去真正來表達我們非常的關切遺憾甚至表達強烈的反對有\n我們也透過我們駐南非代表處表達關切遺憾反對還有包括抗議那也要求要啟動雙邊的談判那他們也要求我們給我們的回應我們也針對這個內容啊希望進行交涉可是他現在就先迴避跟我們直接面對面這有點在拖啦 是他們 而不是我們\n我希望我們剛剛所講的一定要強烈的表達這是你們外交部的指令裡面強烈的表達我們不願意接受他們這樣子幫我們降級好不好是 謝謝我們來加強\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:09.999\n主席有請部長請部長部長好我也好\n\n00:11.530 --> 00:31.151\n剛剛言細,剛剛你所提的具有外交國防的委員但是今天有一個問題我想請教現在報紙裡面也登出來有關於林昶佐前任的立委要被分派到芬蘭\n\n00:32.298 --> 00:53.591\n但今天我們有三個疑問第一個疑問就是臨場所過去裡面散兵兵役的問題那散兵兵役的問題他沒有去做在該做的這些當兵的事務第二個問題\n\n00:55.652 --> 01:12.911\n他沒有具備外交的經驗沒有具備外交的經驗所以你說依你現在我們外交的困境應該要有專業有外交的這一些長才來任派\n\n01:13.652 --> 01:27.171\n可是國人現在對於派任臨場所到芬蘭作為芬蘭的代表我想這個都有很多的疑問跟問號所以我想請教部長你如何\n\n01:30.259 --> 01:51.426\n來選擇沒有外交背景包含散兵兵役的問題那今天又代表了芬蘭代表我們中華民國外交部駐派到芬蘭像這樣的一個問號包含他的本身的問題大家都產生一個質疑對他沒有信心那部長你看法\n\n01:53.066 --> 02:07.928\n因為芬蘭其實它除了它是重金屬音樂的重鎮以外這不講啦因為這個是比較單一的面向我覺得北歐的五國對人權都非常的重視\n\n02:09.069 --> 02:29.689\n那我想以我們如果純粹除了國會議員的背景之外像國際特色組織這些交流這些項目都是也是很重要啦那最重要我們是要區域聯防我們希望未來其實我們的外交不是單獨的雙邊關係甚至過雙邊去進行多邊關係比如說在帝國可能有美國大使館日本大使館\n\n02:30.410 --> 02:54.430\n我們橫向的聯繫啊特別是當然這個是外交部的本來事務裡面要做一個對接包含對話現在我是講的是林昶楚本身的疑問題有產生了很多的疑問那這也是國人的關切對外交部到底是不是任派然後呢我們本來對外交部期待的很高\n\n02:55.211 --> 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