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00:02:49,313\n部長你講到一個我真的要問的重點我為什麼特別請公平會主委一起來的部分就是因為如果說關稅降低的時候消費者沒有得到好處不管他佔比是多少的時候那至少弱農要得到好處吧這是我們的目標其實是一致的可是我們看到了就是說在這個目前台灣的一個四大那個爐瓶廠的時候大概\n\n9\n00:02:50,194 --> 00:03:12,362\n收了所有台灣的一個生乳的八成以上這是我們從那個網路上面看到的一份資料這是某一個生乳廠特別提出來的一個狀態他這個通知單他特別提到了我把紅框框畫出來的地方他再次強調裡面絕對勿將非自家牧場生產之生乳搭交\n\n10\n00:03:13,442 --> 00:03:33,612\n禁止搭交的意思的時候就是說生乳不得外調變成這樣的一個情況那如果說以這樣的情況的時候我想請教針對這樣子大的乳品廠他們直接用這樣子很強勢的部分在跟我們的弱農做互動的時候我想請教一下農業部怎麼看這件事情\n\n11\n00:03:34,656 --> 00:03:58,835\n我想第一個就是我們的爐廠跟我們的酪農廠本身的一個爐架我們有訂一個基礎爐架然後我們有一些契約架的部分那那個契約架包括它的獎金所以它基本上是雙方合議的那我們會去了解如果說有比較不正常的強迫性的時候那我們想我們會去了解爐廠為什麼會做這種事情因為\n\n12\n00:04:00,016 --> 00:04:18,047\n好部長因為其實你講這部分你就是要強調說契約自由來解決這個事情可是問題目前來說的時候就是因為四大爐品廠他們已經佔據市場八成以上的一個收入的一個情況所以我也想問一下公平會對於這樣子的一個部分的時候那公平會怎麼看\n\n13\n00:04:19,313 --> 00:04:36,538\n跟委員報告一下這相關的這些行為公平會在93年的時候曾經有調查過那也針對相關的行為進行過查處但是這幾年來這個市場的情況有蠻大的改變所以委員關切這個問題其實就如同剛剛部長也談到了這是一個契約交易的決定的自由\n\n14\n00:04:38,297 --> 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00:06:57,738\n我們會盡快啦好不好給我一個時間好不好給我一個具體的時間\n\n21\n00:07:03,001 --> 00:07:22,178\n我們盡快好不好因為這個的確前期的內容很多那你事後再到本辦公室來給我一個具體的一個進度因為在這邊我一直在那邊追究這時間的時候那你這邊一直不回答那我們就認為這件事情可能會遙遙無期那消費者的一個權益顯然受損大家一人一心到公平會這邊說公平會還沒有積極去處理那我們其實就會有一點\n\n22\n00:07:27,423 --> 00:07:44,618\n擔憂這樣的一個情況會持續的發生而且沒有辦法解決包委員我們有積極在處理OK那之後再到本辦公室來繼續做一個說明那因為今天的解凍案當中的時候就是在我們的那個討論事項當中第四案這邊的時候有一個凍結五億元的部分因為凍結五億元這邊的時候呢\n\n23\n00:07:46,980 --> 00:08:14,625\n就農業部這邊的一個說明因為農業部這次的解凍報告裡面很多都在講現在做什麼東西可是我們在監督這部分就是希望有更精進的一個作為啦那針對這五一當中的時候裡面第四點特別提到說要增進農民福利並支持弱農因應乳品市場貿易自由化所帶來的衝擊所以要請我們要支持解凍案我想針對這個部分部長針對這個部分的時候我們有沒有具體做什麼\n\n24\n00:08:15,325 --> 00:08:42,610\n但是在這一次的這個凍結的武藝當中有多少的時候會跟我們這個乳品市場跟弱農有關可不可以請進一步做一個說明我跟委員報告其實對內農的幫助我們其實從去年就開始了那第一個部分就是在乳廠端的協助我想跟後續在乳廠的這些調查都需要人力去做那一個更重要我們現在正在談的就是這些大宗的這些\n\n25\n00:08:43,980 --> 00:09:12,372\n這些應該這麼講那個叫做什麼手搖飲手搖飲的店我們現在正在跟他談他如果全用國產乳的話我們會給他一些獎勵讓他在門口貼標章如果我想辦法讓國產乳的市場區隔化的時候那相對的我們的乳廠的乳就可以順利的送出來理解喔部長那個什麼因為我看到這次的那個書面的那個解凍報告當中的時候因為大部分都沒有數字啦\n\n26\n00:09:12,952 --> 00:09:42,231\n那因為除了那個農水署之外有比較多的數字其他單位都很少數字那我希望你這部分的時候把數字準備好之後再跟本行做更多的部分我想我們再跟委員過做說明把相關的數字再提供給您好那另外最後一個部分就是我針對IUU的部分因為我去年其實我問過這件事情就針對我們的一個蟹魚檢查員我想請教一下我們目前有多少蟹魚檢查員我們的蟹魚檢查員我可不可以請漁業署可以\n\n27\n00:09:44,017 --> 00:09:51,639\n跟委員報告我們現在現與檢察院有31名有31名嘛因為之前的那個前署長的時候講到說有79名這個數字是對的嗎委員報告就是現與檢察院我去年問過這個事情我們的檢察院有兩類一類叫做那個勞動的一個檢查的部分勞動檢察院有現在有70名那我們的現與檢察有31名是他們執行不同的工作\n\n28\n00:10:13,885 --> 00:10:19,782\n現已檢查的部分是針對所謂的非法的漁業行為特別針對這部分是因為\n\n29\n00:10:22,668 --> 00:10:43,089\n上個月的時候加拿大這邊有通報我們的台灣的漁船就是非法殺海豚然後去捕殺魚這件事情的時候我們後來怎麼處理跟委員報告這一類只要加拿大的報告送到我們台灣來以後給我們漁業署收到以後我們會立即啟動調查\n\n30\n00:10:44,170 --> 00:11:10,259\n那加拿大的這一份檢查報告裡面所附的這個影片事證非常的明確所以我們立即把涉及違反這個野保法的部分我們移送檢調來做處理因為那是刑事責任那對於我們漁業違規的部分他捕抓到海豚我們有刻意他義務說你要不管死活你都要釋放要在漁撈日誌裡面去做登載\n\n31\n00:11:10,979 --> 00:11:34,249\n他沒登載的部分這一個部分我們現在都做立即的這一個行政處分所以行政跟刑事的部分我們現在是分開來因為我覺得就是保育器是一個全球共同的一個價值那我們台灣這邊務必要去follow這部分所以我們對於IU的部分其實也特別的關注那因為我們這一次在那個整個漁業署的費用當中的時候他有一個管理觀察員\n\n32\n00:11:35,790 --> 00:11:49,162\n這個部分的時候我們總共有多少人因為台灣的遠洋漁船其實有上千多家上千多條船那我們的這個管理觀察員總共會有多少人委員我們現在科學觀察員100位\n\n33\n00:11:50,683 --> 00:12:06,140\n那因為我們現在國際組織要求的這個涵蓋率就是每一艘船的這個觀察員上去的涵蓋率至少每個組織都不一樣有5%有7%的那目前我們的觀察員的派遣都符合國際組織的規定\n\n34\n00:12:07,982 --> 00:12:20,490\nOK針對IU的部分我們希望農業署這邊的時候漁業署這邊的時候是能夠好好去加以規範不要讓這樣的事情一直鬧上國際的新聞好不好包委員是這個我們會持續來加強推動好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8047\t26384\t謝主席 今天是我們農業部跟工平會的解凍案那因為工平會主委跟那個我們農業部長很少在一起我想請農業部陳部長還有我們工平會的陳代理主委好 請部長跟代理主委\n32507\t39113\t首先我想說先請教一下農業部長這邊因為我們台紐經濟合作協定今年開始全面生效但因為從2013年我們跟台紐經濟合作協定之後的時候對於牛乳的進口的部分之前的時候是配額內零關稅\n54608\t71699\t那配額外的時候每公斤是14元對不對那從今年開始的時候不再想有配額的限制那全面開始零關稅進口可是我們從市場上看起來的時候呢就是今年開始全部有零關稅那可是發現價格也沒有波動\n72799\t87268\t價格沒有波動本來是一件好事可是因為我們零關稅之後消費者感覺沒有得到好處因為價格沒有往下降那我們想問一下就是說這個零關稅之後的這些的差價到底跑到哪裡去了\n88483\t99837\t我跟委員說明有一個數據可能要先說明就是整個我們台灣從國外進口的生乳的部分大概是五萬八千噸一年那其中大概三萬八到三萬九千噸是鮮乳的部分\n104001\t131116\t紐西蘭的鮮乳佔的比例比較少它是以薄酒乳比較多它的鮮乳大概一年只有4000多噸而已然後它的那個薄酒乳相對比較多大概1萬多噸所以相對的就是你如果純粹看紐西蘭的這個部分的話它的佔比其實那個3萬應該3萬8、3萬9千噸裡面它只有佔4000多噸所以它對市場的那個影響力其實沒那麼大\n132256\t147754\t我們農業部來講我們更在意的是我們弱農的生乳提供給乳廠的價格是不是能夠穩定而且更高這是我想農業部最關心的就這個那至於後端的市場我想有它的一個機制\n148675\t169313\t部長你講到一個我真的要問的重點我為什麼特別請公平會主委一起來的部分就是因為如果說關稅降低的時候消費者沒有得到好處不管他佔比是多少的時候那至少弱農要得到好處吧這是我們的目標其實是一致的可是我們看到了就是說在這個目前台灣的一個四大那個爐瓶廠的時候大概\n170194\t192362\t收了所有台灣的一個生乳的八成以上這是我們從那個網路上面看到的一份資料這是某一個生乳廠特別提出來的一個狀態他這個通知單他特別提到了我把紅框框畫出來的地方他再次強調裡面絕對勿將非自家牧場生產之生乳搭交\n193442\t213612\t禁止搭交的意思的時候就是說生乳不得外調變成這樣的一個情況那如果說以這樣的情況的時候我想請教針對這樣子大的乳品廠他們直接用這樣子很強勢的部分在跟我們的弱農做互動的時候我想請教一下農業部怎麼看這件事情\n214656\t238835\t我想第一個就是我們的爐廠跟我們的酪農廠本身的一個爐架我們有訂一個基礎爐架然後我們有一些契約架的部分那那個契約架包括它的獎金所以它基本上是雙方合議的那我們會去了解如果說有比較不正常的強迫性的時候那我們想我們會去了解爐廠為什麼會做這種事情因為\n240016\t258047\t好部長因為其實你講這部分你就是要強調說契約自由來解決這個事情可是問題目前來說的時候就是因為四大爐品廠他們已經佔據市場八成以上的一個收入的一個情況所以我也想問一下公平會對於這樣子的一個部分的時候那公平會怎麼看\n259313\t276538\t跟委員報告一下這相關的這些行為公平會在93年的時候曾經有調查過那也針對相關的行為進行過查處但是這幾年來這個市場的情況有蠻大的改變所以委員關切這個問題其實就如同剛剛部長也談到了這是一個契約交易的決定的自由\n278297\t297027\t對於上游這個對於這個乳品供應商跟下游的這個廠商來講主委你講說契約自由的部分我真的就覺得不一定那麼認同其實因為針對這個部分畜牧法第36條它裡面就有特別提到為了維持牛羊乳品與那個的產銷平衡的時候呢各縣市主管機關應輔導\n298528\t313225\t就是廠農雙方訂定生農買賣契約所以政府是有角色的那畜牧法這邊的時候是農業部這邊在主管的時候我覺得農業部這邊也必定要擔起這樣的一個責任那麼另外的部分的時候呢我們就看到了\n313866\t332590\t因為公平會之前曾經認定定型化契約的使用人如果瑕疵由於交易對方的經濟地位定有違反契約利益負擔公平的條款破壞存在於契約當事人兩照之間誠實信用的一個良好秩序是定型化契約的濫用所以針對這個部分我們認為所謂的一個\n337891\t356845\t不得外調這件事情已經非常的影響到弱農他們的一個生計所以我們希望就是農業部跟公平會這邊的時候請針對這個部分要好好的一個處理否則我們看到關稅變零之後消費者沒有得益那弱農沒有得益那到底誰得益我覺得這是一個很大的一個問題好不好\n358846\t387726\t市長跟委員補充一下委員剛剛提到第25條這個部分這個是一個補充性的條款我們事實上會看看市場有沒有聯合統台聯合定價那另外也會看看相關的產業主管機關對於這個問題有沒有一些特別法的規定理解所以我才讓農業部跟你一起出來面對這個問題因為目前其實也有消費者這邊也發起了一人一信到公平會這邊對不對對於這個部分就是要檢舉進口生乳價格不合理這部分我想請教一下公平會目前進度到哪裡\n389047\t412765\t針對這樣一個消費者的活動 針對紐西蘭這個案子 我們現在是立案在調查當中還在調查當中嘛 大概什麼時候會有成果出來可能還沒有那麼快 因為有檢舉的蠻多的檢舉蠻 就是因為很多嘛 所以說還沒有一個具體的一個時間出來 那你要拖幾年才會出來大概給我一個時間點好不好應該不會到幾年 我想大概\n415848\t417738\t我們會盡快啦好不好給我一個時間好不好 給我一個具體的時間\n423001\t442178\t我們盡快好不好 因為這個的確前期的內容很多那你事後再到本辦公室來 給我一個具體的一個進度因為在這邊 我一直在那邊追究這時間的時候那你這邊一直不回答那我們就認為這件事情可能會遙遙無期那消費者的一個權益 顯然受損大家一人一心到公平會這邊說 公平會還沒有積極去處理那我們其實就會有一點\n447423\t464618\t擔憂這樣的一個情況會持續的發生而且沒有辦法解決包委員我們有積極在處理OK那之後再到本辦公室來繼續做一個說明那因為今天的解凍案當中的時候就是在我們的那個討論事項當中第四案這邊的時候有一個凍結五億元的部分因為凍結五億元這邊的時候呢\n466980\t494625\t就農業部這邊的一個說明 因為農業部這次的解凍報告裡面很多都在講現在做什麼東西 可是我們在監督這部分就是希望有更精進的一個作為啦那針對這五一當中的時候 裡面第四點特別提到說要增進農民福利 並支持弱農因應乳品市場貿易自由化所帶來的衝擊所以要 請我們要支持解凍案我想針對這個部分 部長 針對這個部分的時候我們有沒有具體做什麼\n495325\t522610\t但是在這一次的這個凍結的武藝當中有多少的時候會跟我們這個乳品市場跟弱農有關可不可以請進一步做一個說明我跟委員報告其實對內農的幫助我們其實從去年就開始了那第一個部分就是在乳廠端的協助我想跟後續在乳廠的這些調查都需要人力去做那一個更重要我們現在正在談的就是這些大宗的這些\n523980\t552372\t這些應該這麼講那個叫做什麼手搖飲手搖飲的店我們現在正在跟他談他如果全用國產乳的話我們會給他一些獎勵讓他在門口貼標章如果我想辦法讓國產乳的市場區隔化的時候那相對的我們的乳廠的乳就可以順利的送出來理解喔部長那個什麼因為我看到這次的那個書面的那個解凍報告當中的時候因為大部分都沒有數字啦\n552952\t582231\t那因為除了那個農水署之外有比較多的數字其他單位都很少數字那我希望你這部分的時候把數字準備好之後再跟本行做更多的部分我想我們再跟委員過做說明把相關的數字再提供給您好那另外最後一個部分就是我針對IUU的部分因為我去年其實我問過這件事情就針對我們的一個蟹魚檢查員我想請教一下我們目前有多少蟹魚檢查員我們的蟹魚檢查員我可不可以請漁業署可以\n584017\t591639\t跟委員報告我們現在現與檢察院有31名有31名嘛因為之前的那個前署長的時候講到說有79名這個數字是對的嗎委員報告就是現與檢察院我去年問過這個事情我們的檢察院有兩類一類叫做那個勞動的一個檢查的部分勞動檢察院有現在有70名那我們的現與檢察有31名是他們執行不同的工作\n613885\t619782\t現已檢查的部分是針對所謂的非法的漁業行為 特別針對這部分是因為\n622668\t643089\t上個月的時候加拿大這邊有通報我們的台灣的漁船就是非法殺海豚然後去捕殺魚這件事情的時候我們後來怎麼處理跟委員報告這一類只要加拿大的報告送到我們台灣來以後給我們漁業署收到以後我們會立即啟動調查\n644170\t670259\t那加拿大的這一份檢查報告裡面所附的這個影片事證非常的明確所以我們立即把涉及違反這個野保法的部分我們移送檢調來做處理因為那是刑事責任那對於我們漁業違規的部分他捕抓到海豚我們有刻意他義務說你要不管死活你都要釋放要在漁撈日誌裡面去做登載\n670979\t694249\t他沒登載的部分這一個部分我們現在都做立即的這一個行政處分所以行政跟刑事的部分我們現在是分開來因為我覺得就是保育器是一個全球共同的一個價值那我們台灣這邊務必要去follow這部分所以我們對於IU的部分其實也特別的關注那因為我們這一次在那個整個漁業署的費用當中的時候他有一個管理觀察員\n695790\t709162\t這個部分的時候我們總共有多少人因為台灣的遠洋漁船其實有上千多家上千多條船那我們的這個管理觀察員總共會有多少人委員我們現在科學觀察員100位\n710683\t726140\t那因為我們現在國際組織要求的這個涵蓋率就是每一艘船的這個觀察員上去的涵蓋率至少每個組織都不一樣有5%有7%的那目前我們的觀察員的派遣都符合國際組織的規定\n727982\t740490\tOK 針對IU的部分我們希望農業署這邊的時候漁業署這邊的時候是能夠好好去加以規範不要讓這樣的事情一直鬧上國際的新聞好不好包委員是 這個我們會持續來加強推動好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席 今天是我們農業部跟工平會的解凍案那因為工平會主委跟那個我們農業部長很少在一起我想請農業部陳部長還有我們工平會的陳代理主委好 請部長跟代理主委\n首先我想說先請教一下農業部長這邊因為我們台紐經濟合作協定今年開始全面生效但因為從2013年我們跟台紐經濟合作協定之後的時候對於牛乳的進口的部分之前的時候是配額內零關稅\n那配額外的時候每公斤是14元對不對那從今年開始的時候不再想有配額的限制那全面開始零關稅進口可是我們從市場上看起來的時候呢就是今年開始全部有零關稅那可是發現價格也沒有波動\n價格沒有波動本來是一件好事可是因為我們零關稅之後消費者感覺沒有得到好處因為價格沒有往下降那我們想問一下就是說這個零關稅之後的這些的差價到底跑到哪裡去了\n我跟委員說明有一個數據可能要先說明就是整個我們台灣從國外進口的生乳的部分大概是五萬八千噸一年那其中大概三萬八到三萬九千噸是鮮乳的部分\n紐西蘭的鮮乳佔的比例比較少它是以薄酒乳比較多它的鮮乳大概一年只有4000多噸而已然後它的那個薄酒乳相對比較多大概1萬多噸所以相對的就是你如果純粹看紐西蘭的這個部分的話它的佔比其實那個3萬應該3萬8、3萬9千噸裡面它只有佔4000多噸所以它對市場的那個影響力其實沒那麼大\n我們農業部來講我們更在意的是我們弱農的生乳提供給乳廠的價格是不是能夠穩定而且更高這是我想農業部最關心的就這個那至於後端的市場我想有它的一個機制\n部長你講到一個我真的要問的重點我為什麼特別請公平會主委一起來的部分就是因為如果說關稅降低的時候消費者沒有得到好處不管他佔比是多少的時候那至少弱農要得到好處吧這是我們的目標其實是一致的可是我們看到了就是說在這個目前台灣的一個四大那個爐瓶廠的時候大概\n收了所有台灣的一個生乳的八成以上這是我們從那個網路上面看到的一份資料這是某一個生乳廠特別提出來的一個狀態他這個通知單他特別提到了我把紅框框畫出來的地方他再次強調裡面絕對勿將非自家牧場生產之生乳搭交\n禁止搭交的意思的時候就是說生乳不得外調變成這樣的一個情況那如果說以這樣的情況的時候我想請教針對這樣子大的乳品廠他們直接用這樣子很強勢的部分在跟我們的弱農做互動的時候我想請教一下農業部怎麼看這件事情\n我想第一個就是我們的爐廠跟我們的酪農廠本身的一個爐架我們有訂一個基礎爐架然後我們有一些契約架的部分那那個契約架包括它的獎金所以它基本上是雙方合議的那我們會去了解如果說有比較不正常的強迫性的時候那我們想我們會去了解爐廠為什麼會做這種事情因為\n好部長因為其實你講這部分你就是要強調說契約自由來解決這個事情可是問題目前來說的時候就是因為四大爐品廠他們已經佔據市場八成以上的一個收入的一個情況所以我也想問一下公平會對於這樣子的一個部分的時候那公平會怎麼看\n跟委員報告一下這相關的這些行為公平會在93年的時候曾經有調查過那也針對相關的行為進行過查處但是這幾年來這個市場的情況有蠻大的改變所以委員關切這個問題其實就如同剛剛部長也談到了這是一個契約交易的決定的自由\n對於上游這個對於這個乳品供應商跟下游的這個廠商來講主委你講說契約自由的部分我真的就覺得不一定那麼認同其實因為針對這個部分畜牧法第36條它裡面就有特別提到為了維持牛羊乳品與那個的產銷平衡的時候呢各縣市主管機關應輔導\n就是廠農雙方訂定生農買賣契約所以政府是有角色的那畜牧法這邊的時候是農業部這邊在主管的時候我覺得農業部這邊也必定要擔起這樣的一個責任那麼另外的部分的時候呢我們就看到了\n因為公平會之前曾經認定定型化契約的使用人如果瑕疵由於交易對方的經濟地位定有違反契約利益負擔公平的條款破壞存在於契約當事人兩照之間誠實信用的一個良好秩序是定型化契約的濫用所以針對這個部分我們認為所謂的一個\n不得外調這件事情已經非常的影響到弱農他們的一個生計所以我們希望就是農業部跟公平會這邊的時候請針對這個部分要好好的一個處理否則我們看到關稅變零之後消費者沒有得益那弱農沒有得益那到底誰得益我覺得這是一個很大的一個問題好不好\n市長跟委員補充一下委員剛剛提到第25條這個部分這個是一個補充性的條款我們事實上會看看市場有沒有聯合統台聯合定價那另外也會看看相關的產業主管機關對於這個問題有沒有一些特別法的規定理解所以我才讓農業部跟你一起出來面對這個問題因為目前其實也有消費者這邊也發起了一人一信到公平會這邊對不對對於這個部分就是要檢舉進口生乳價格不合理這部分我想請教一下公平會目前進度到哪裡\n針對這樣一個消費者的活動 針對紐西蘭這個案子 我們現在是立案在調查當中還在調查當中嘛 大概什麼時候會有成果出來可能還沒有那麼快 因為有檢舉的蠻多的檢舉蠻 就是因為很多嘛 所以說還沒有一個具體的一個時間出來 那你要拖幾年才會出來大概給我一個時間點好不好應該不會到幾年 我想大概\n我們會盡快啦好不好給我一個時間好不好 給我一個具體的時間\n我們盡快好不好 因為這個的確前期的內容很多那你事後再到本辦公室來 給我一個具體的一個進度因為在這邊 我一直在那邊追究這時間的時候那你這邊一直不回答那我們就認為這件事情可能會遙遙無期那消費者的一個權益 顯然受損大家一人一心到公平會這邊說 公平會還沒有積極去處理那我們其實就會有一點\n擔憂這樣的一個情況會持續的發生而且沒有辦法解決包委員我們有積極在處理OK那之後再到本辦公室來繼續做一個說明那因為今天的解凍案當中的時候就是在我們的那個討論事項當中第四案這邊的時候有一個凍結五億元的部分因為凍結五億元這邊的時候呢\n就農業部這邊的一個說明 因為農業部這次的解凍報告裡面很多都在講現在做什麼東西 可是我們在監督這部分就是希望有更精進的一個作為啦那針對這五一當中的時候 裡面第四點特別提到說要增進農民福利 並支持弱農因應乳品市場貿易自由化所帶來的衝擊所以要 請我們要支持解凍案我想針對這個部分 部長 針對這個部分的時候我們有沒有具體做什麼\n但是在這一次的這個凍結的武藝當中有多少的時候會跟我們這個乳品市場跟弱農有關可不可以請進一步做一個說明我跟委員報告其實對內農的幫助我們其實從去年就開始了那第一個部分就是在乳廠端的協助我想跟後續在乳廠的這些調查都需要人力去做那一個更重要我們現在正在談的就是這些大宗的這些\n這些應該這麼講那個叫做什麼手搖飲手搖飲的店我們現在正在跟他談他如果全用國產乳的話我們會給他一些獎勵讓他在門口貼標章如果我想辦法讓國產乳的市場區隔化的時候那相對的我們的乳廠的乳就可以順利的送出來理解喔部長那個什麼因為我看到這次的那個書面的那個解凍報告當中的時候因為大部分都沒有數字啦\n那因為除了那個農水署之外有比較多的數字其他單位都很少數字那我希望你這部分的時候把數字準備好之後再跟本行做更多的部分我想我們再跟委員過做說明把相關的數字再提供給您好那另外最後一個部分就是我針對IUU的部分因為我去年其實我問過這件事情就針對我們的一個蟹魚檢查員我想請教一下我們目前有多少蟹魚檢查員我們的蟹魚檢查員我可不可以請漁業署可以\n跟委員報告我們現在現與檢察院有31名有31名嘛因為之前的那個前署長的時候講到說有79名這個數字是對的嗎委員報告就是現與檢察院我去年問過這個事情我們的檢察院有兩類一類叫做那個勞動的一個檢查的部分勞動檢察院有現在有70名那我們的現與檢察有31名是他們執行不同的工作\n現已檢查的部分是針對所謂的非法的漁業行為 特別針對這部分是因為\n上個月的時候加拿大這邊有通報我們的台灣的漁船就是非法殺海豚然後去捕殺魚這件事情的時候我們後來怎麼處理跟委員報告這一類只要加拿大的報告送到我們台灣來以後給我們漁業署收到以後我們會立即啟動調查\n那加拿大的這一份檢查報告裡面所附的這個影片事證非常的明確所以我們立即把涉及違反這個野保法的部分我們移送檢調來做處理因為那是刑事責任那對於我們漁業違規的部分他捕抓到海豚我們有刻意他義務說你要不管死活你都要釋放要在漁撈日誌裡面去做登載\n他沒登載的部分這一個部分我們現在都做立即的這一個行政處分所以行政跟刑事的部分我們現在是分開來因為我覺得就是保育器是一個全球共同的一個價值那我們台灣這邊務必要去follow這部分所以我們對於IU的部分其實也特別的關注那因為我們這一次在那個整個漁業署的費用當中的時候他有一個管理觀察員\n這個部分的時候我們總共有多少人因為台灣的遠洋漁船其實有上千多家上千多條船那我們的這個管理觀察員總共會有多少人委員我們現在科學觀察員100位\n那因為我們現在國際組織要求的這個涵蓋率就是每一艘船的這個觀察員上去的涵蓋率至少每個組織都不一樣有5%有7%的那目前我們的觀察員的派遣都符合國際組織的規定\nOK 針對IU的部分我們希望農業署這邊的時候漁業署這邊的時候是能夠好好去加以規範不要讓這樣的事情一直鬧上國際的新聞好不好包委員是 這個我們會持續來加強推動好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.047 --> 00:26.384\n謝主席今天是我們農業部跟工平會的解凍案那因為工平會主委跟那個我們農業部長很少在一起我想請農業部陳部長還有我們工平會的陳代理主委好請部長跟代理主委\n\n00:32.507 --> 00:39.113\n首先我想說先請教一下農業部長這邊因為我們台紐經濟合作協定今年開始全面生效但因為從2013年我們跟台紐經濟合作協定之後的時候對於牛乳的進口的部分之前的時候是配額內零關稅\n\n00:54.608 --> 01:11.699\n那配額外的時候每公斤是14元對不對那從今年開始的時候不再想有配額的限制那全面開始零關稅進口可是我們從市場上看起來的時候呢就是今年開始全部有零關稅那可是發現價格也沒有波動\n\n01:12.799 --> 01:27.268\n價格沒有波動本來是一件好事可是因為我們零關稅之後消費者感覺沒有得到好處因為價格沒有往下降那我們想問一下就是說這個零關稅之後的這些的差價到底跑到哪裡去了\n\n01:28.483 --> 01:39.837\n我跟委員說明有一個數據可能要先說明就是整個我們台灣從國外進口的生乳的部分大概是五萬八千噸一年那其中大概三萬八到三萬九千噸是鮮乳的部分\n\n01:44.001 --> 02:11.116\n紐西蘭的鮮乳佔的比例比較少它是以薄酒乳比較多它的鮮乳大概一年只有4000多噸而已然後它的那個薄酒乳相對比較多大概1萬多噸所以相對的就是你如果純粹看紐西蘭的這個部分的話它的佔比其實那個3萬應該3萬8、3萬9千噸裡面它只有佔4000多噸所以它對市場的那個影響力其實沒那麼大\n\n02:12.256 --> 02:27.754\n我們農業部來講我們更在意的是我們弱農的生乳提供給乳廠的價格是不是能夠穩定而且更高這是我想農業部最關心的就這個那至於後端的市場我想有它的一個機制\n\n02:28.675 --> 02:49.313\n部長你講到一個我真的要問的重點我為什麼特別請公平會主委一起來的部分就是因為如果說關稅降低的時候消費者沒有得到好處不管他佔比是多少的時候那至少弱農要得到好處吧這是我們的目標其實是一致的可是我們看到了就是說在這個目前台灣的一個四大那個爐瓶廠的時候大概\n\n02:50.194 --> 03:12.362\n收了所有台灣的一個生乳的八成以上這是我們從那個網路上面看到的一份資料這是某一個生乳廠特別提出來的一個狀態他這個通知單他特別提到了我把紅框框畫出來的地方他再次強調裡面絕對勿將非自家牧場生產之生乳搭交\n\n03:13.442 --> 03:33.612\n禁止搭交的意思的時候就是說生乳不得外調變成這樣的一個情況那如果說以這樣的情況的時候我想請教針對這樣子大的乳品廠他們直接用這樣子很強勢的部分在跟我們的弱農做互動的時候我想請教一下農業部怎麼看這件事情\n\n03:34.656 --> 03:58.835\n我想第一個就是我們的爐廠跟我們的酪農廠本身的一個爐架我們有訂一個基礎爐架然後我們有一些契約架的部分那那個契約架包括它的獎金所以它基本上是雙方合議的那我們會去了解如果說有比較不正常的強迫性的時候那我們想我們會去了解爐廠為什麼會做這種事情因為\n\n04:00.016 --> 04:18.047\n好部長因為其實你講這部分你就是要強調說契約自由來解決這個事情可是問題目前來說的時候就是因為四大爐品廠他們已經佔據市場八成以上的一個收入的一個情況所以我也想問一下公平會對於這樣子的一個部分的時候那公平會怎麼看\n\n04:19.313 --> 04:36.538\n跟委員報告一下這相關的這些行為公平會在93年的時候曾經有調查過那也針對相關的行為進行過查處但是這幾年來這個市場的情況有蠻大的改變所以委員關切這個問題其實就如同剛剛部長也談到了這是一個契約交易的決定的自由\n\n04:38.297 --> 04:57.027\n對於上游這個對於這個乳品供應商跟下游的這個廠商來講主委你講說契約自由的部分我真的就覺得不一定那麼認同其實因為針對這個部分畜牧法第36條它裡面就有特別提到為了維持牛羊乳品與那個的產銷平衡的時候呢各縣市主管機關應輔導\n\n04:58.528 --> 05:13.225\n就是廠農雙方訂定生農買賣契約所以政府是有角色的那畜牧法這邊的時候是農業部這邊在主管的時候我覺得農業部這邊也必定要擔起這樣的一個責任那麼另外的部分的時候呢我們就看到了\n\n05:13.866 --> 05:32.590\n因為公平會之前曾經認定定型化契約的使用人如果瑕疵由於交易對方的經濟地位定有違反契約利益負擔公平的條款破壞存在於契約當事人兩照之間誠實信用的一個良好秩序是定型化契約的濫用所以針對這個部分我們認為所謂的一個\n\n05:37.891 --> 05:56.845\n不得外調這件事情已經非常的影響到弱農他們的一個生計所以我們希望就是農業部跟公平會這邊的時候請針對這個部分要好好的一個處理否則我們看到關稅變零之後消費者沒有得益那弱農沒有得益那到底誰得益我覺得這是一個很大的一個問題好不好\n\n05:58.846 --> 06:27.726\n市長跟委員補充一下委員剛剛提到第25條這個部分這個是一個補充性的條款我們事實上會看看市場有沒有聯合統台聯合定價那另外也會看看相關的產業主管機關對於這個問題有沒有一些特別法的規定理解所以我才讓農業部跟你一起出來面對這個問題因為目前其實也有消費者這邊也發起了一人一信到公平會這邊對不對對於這個部分就是要檢舉進口生乳價格不合理這部分我想請教一下公平會目前進度到哪裡\n\n06:29.047 --> 06:52.765\n針對這樣一個消費者的活動針對紐西蘭這個案子我們現在是立案在調查當中還在調查當中嘛大概什麼時候會有成果出來可能還沒有那麼快因為有檢舉的蠻多的檢舉蠻就是因為很多嘛所以說還沒有一個具體的一個時間出來那你要拖幾年才會出來大概給我一個時間點好不好應該不會到幾年我想大概\n\n06:55.848 --> 06:57.738\n我們會盡快啦好不好給我一個時間好不好給我一個具體的時間\n\n07:03.001 --> 07:22.178\n我們盡快好不好因為這個的確前期的內容很多那你事後再到本辦公室來給我一個具體的一個進度因為在這邊我一直在那邊追究這時間的時候那你這邊一直不回答那我們就認為這件事情可能會遙遙無期那消費者的一個權益顯然受損大家一人一心到公平會這邊說公平會還沒有積極去處理那我們其實就會有一點\n\n07:27.423 --> 07:44.618\n擔憂這樣的一個情況會持續的發生而且沒有辦法解決包委員我們有積極在處理OK那之後再到本辦公室來繼續做一個說明那因為今天的解凍案當中的時候就是在我們的那個討論事項當中第四案這邊的時候有一個凍結五億元的部分因為凍結五億元這邊的時候呢\n\n07:46.980 --> 08:14.625\n就農業部這邊的一個說明因為農業部這次的解凍報告裡面很多都在講現在做什麼東西可是我們在監督這部分就是希望有更精進的一個作為啦那針對這五一當中的時候裡面第四點特別提到說要增進農民福利並支持弱農因應乳品市場貿易自由化所帶來的衝擊所以要請我們要支持解凍案我想針對這個部分部長針對這個部分的時候我們有沒有具體做什麼\n\n08:15.325 --> 08:42.610\n但是在這一次的這個凍結的武藝當中有多少的時候會跟我們這個乳品市場跟弱農有關可不可以請進一步做一個說明我跟委員報告其實對內農的幫助我們其實從去年就開始了那第一個部分就是在乳廠端的協助我想跟後續在乳廠的這些調查都需要人力去做那一個更重要我們現在正在談的就是這些大宗的這些\n\n08:43.980 --> 09:12.372\n這些應該這麼講那個叫做什麼手搖飲手搖飲的店我們現在正在跟他談他如果全用國產乳的話我們會給他一些獎勵讓他在門口貼標章如果我想辦法讓國產乳的市場區隔化的時候那相對的我們的乳廠的乳就可以順利的送出來理解喔部長那個什麼因為我看到這次的那個書面的那個解凍報告當中的時候因為大部分都沒有數字啦\n\n09:12.952 --> 09:42.231\n那因為除了那個農水署之外有比較多的數字其他單位都很少數字那我希望你這部分的時候把數字準備好之後再跟本行做更多的部分我想我們再跟委員過做說明把相關的數字再提供給您好那另外最後一個部分就是我針對IUU的部分因為我去年其實我問過這件事情就針對我們的一個蟹魚檢查員我想請教一下我們目前有多少蟹魚檢查員我們的蟹魚檢查員我可不可以請漁業署可以\n\n09:44.017 --> 09:51.639\n跟委員報告我們現在現與檢察院有31名有31名嘛因為之前的那個前署長的時候講到說有79名這個數字是對的嗎委員報告就是現與檢察院我去年問過這個事情我們的檢察院有兩類一類叫做那個勞動的一個檢查的部分勞動檢察院有現在有70名那我們的現與檢察有31名是他們執行不同的工作\n\n10:13.885 --> 10:19.782\n現已檢查的部分是針對所謂的非法的漁業行為特別針對這部分是因為\n\n10:22.668 --> 10:43.089\n上個月的時候加拿大這邊有通報我們的台灣的漁船就是非法殺海豚然後去捕殺魚這件事情的時候我們後來怎麼處理跟委員報告這一類只要加拿大的報告送到我們台灣來以後給我們漁業署收到以後我們會立即啟動調查\n\n10:44.170 --> 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