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00:02:43,488\n好本席特別要點出這兩位啦當然我相信其他我們住在其他住在國的友邦的大使其實都是非常努力希望讓台灣被看見那麼目前對於常佐來說過去他在立法院除了是兩屆的立法委員然後資深的國防外交委員之外我相信因為閃靈樂團在歐洲尤其是本席其實特別到過芬蘭\n\n8\n00:02:46,511 --> 00:02:56,767\n確實這個芬蘭對於閃靈樂團是非常了解的這個我相信就跟派任我們的這個首位音樂大使到奧地利一樣是有一曲同工之妙那麼剛剛也會特別問到就是說那麼給予\n\n9\n00:03:00,632 --> 00:03:07,037\n我們從外交特考上來的外交官們到底有沒有機會來派任我們知道北歐五國當中其實是有兩個國家包括挪威跟冰島是我們沒有駐館的所以我們還有瑞典跟丹麥對不對那麼請問一下瑞典丹麥我們是專業的外交官系統上來的大使嗎\n\n10\n00:03:23,610 --> 00:03:48,084\n是,瑞典斯古瑞森他是專業的職業外交官丹麥是我們之前駐美的副代表到那邊去擔任我們的代表,就升任愉快所以本席想要給部長一個解釋的機會因為剛剛您提到所謂的北歐五國七日聯防各司其職其實我覺得是非常重要的因為\n\n11\n00:03:49,866 --> 00:04:05,035\n有一些當然我們講大使在外交工作上面需要有資深的外交的歷練但是有一些所謂的亮點或者是能夠跟地方做一些場域上的整合或者是能夠代表台灣讓台灣的價值被看到那是更為重要的那麼\n\n12\n00:04:09,097 --> 00:04:27,238\n對於如果真的是由林昶佐來擔任芬蘭大使的話那麼您期望整體在北歐的佈局或者是總統所預計的佈局會是什麼樣的方向跟想像其實北歐剛好五國這是總和外交可以在這邊來推動的很好的地區\n\n13\n00:04:28,539 --> 00:04:41,064\n一方面價值外交這些國家都是老牌的民主的成熟外交甚至有些還之前被蘇聯統治過所以他們的反控對台灣是很有善另外就是文化人權\n\n14\n00:04:42,953 --> 00:05:05,204\n這些價值面的外交再來就是從安全上來講因為他們面對到俄烏戰爭之後都紛紛比如說以芬蘭申請加入北約這以前是不可想像因為他是比較中立性質的就是說這個威脅未來也會持續所以跟台灣他們很關心台灣面對中國威脅的經驗彼此的交流像這個海嵐其實後來發現就是中國的船\n\n15\n00:05:08,685 --> 00:05:29,219\n用其他國籍,在芬蘭跟愛沙尼亞,他們是直接受到衝擊的因為北歐這個地方海南很多,電信各種需要的,包括傳輸這些天然氣、能源等等所以這個是安全的層面,也是一種同盟外交再來其實是經濟外交上,這些國家跟我們的經貿也很互補\n\n16\n00:05:33,722 --> 00:05:42,849\n那未來的飛鴻供應鏈我想他們都必須要選邊這個時候台灣就是飛鴻供應鏈裡面最具備我想我們是製造大國然後跟他們很多的品牌像設計所以在經貿上面透過我們希望比如說增加航權所以最近芬蘭已經簽了那其他幾個國家也在洽談中我們可能會突破直接飛北歐以後國人去看極地\n\n17\n00:06:02,163 --> 00:06:17,416\n的這個美景啊也不用再轉機我想這個也都是經貿外交裡面的一環那我剛剛再補充一下其實林昶佐委員大家可能不太了解蔡前總統現在去哥本哈可能現在那個民主峰會他都是參加都是\n\n18\n00:06:18,217 --> 00:06:42,002\n主壇人耶而且他還受拜登的邀請出席這個在華盛頓峰會這個亞洲國會的議員所以他的經驗包括IPEC委員就很清楚他是促成台灣參與還有包括這個很多交流活動更不用講他在國際特色組織擔任台灣分會長北歐的人權特色組織大家都知道包括台灣的民主化\n\n19\n00:06:42,662 --> 00:07:01,528\n也很多人受到他們幫助所以我是覺得我們就持平來看啦這些條件是都符合做一個大使那我是個人認為啦像在座啦不只在座啦外交國安委員會的每一個立法委員都有資格擔我們中華民國台灣駐外的大使跟代表這個是民主國家的常態\n\n20\n00:07:02,108 --> 00:07:04,970\n其實部長講到這裡我想面對現在台灣的外交的困境本席會特別問這個問題是因為我相信不論是從正常管道上來的資深優秀的外交同仁我們是予以肯定的尤其他們在第一線的打拼即使現在我們是以特任的方式來任命\n\n21\n00:07:23,642 --> 00:07:38,196\n非從外交系統出來的外交官但是其實他們被派出去之後代表的都是我們的國家中華民國我相信大家的目標都是一致的那麼至於有一些委員特別去質疑說這個從外交系統上來就沒有機會嗎我倒是認為不用從單一的一個點\n\n22\n00:07:44,742 --> 00:07:49,868\n去看這一個人因為我相信在這樣的過程當中都是有其國家上面的考量就像當時我們派謝長廷前院長去當駐日大使因為我們派了一個院長等級的代表我們對這個邦交國或者是這個友邦的\n\n23\n00:08:02,803 --> 00:08:13,676\n認同、支持跟尊重那麼現在我們派一個在當地享譽盛名或者是說在音樂界上面或是在自由人權上面作為發聲的一個前國會議員我相信應該也是有同樣的用處\n\n24\n00:08:21,069 --> 00:08:45,858\n其實最近的任命很多職業外交官包括到希臘到愛爾蘭之前都是比較屬於政務任用甚至在印尼都改由職業外交官我們會視財視所因為他有比例限制我們也沒有多聘總統基於他整體外交考量的佈局我們就是支持然後全力來辦理謝謝\n\n25\n00:08:46,738 --> 00:09:00,236\n好那麼我們也要給這個外交同仁加油因為明天520喔我相信這個中國在外交上面的打壓或打擊一定會層出不窮但是我相信我們的外交同仁都很有經驗也可以做得很好謝謝辛苦了\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n983\t5937\t謝謝主席 主席有請林部長部長可以慢慢來 可以喝一口水沒有問題\n10438\t25451\t好 部長早安委員好我想今天大家都非常的關注就是我的前同事林昶佐委員會不會成為林昶佐大使我想對於外交的派任那絕對是經過國家整體的考量跟發展我非常同意就是目前以台灣的狀況尤其是今天519 明天520中國一定會處心積慮的在外交場合\n37901\t66070\t或者是外交的場域給予非常多的這個施壓或者是脅迫那麼第一線的外交同仁確實是非常辛苦的那我也感受到就是我們今天院內有許多的同仁針對長佐的這個所謂派任芬蘭這樣的一個過程給予了很多的指教首先我要先特別這個提出來的是我想這個外交的工作一定是因地制宜那麼\n67530\t94202\t雖然這個過程當中很多人會問說那特任到底有沒有其必要性本席就想要舉例就是我在東吳的時候的一位老師謝志偉 謝大使謝大使是我們德文系的教授 系主任那麼這些年來他在德國擔任大使部長您覺得他做得如何他的表現很好 有目共睹而且為外交注入了活力因為他非常有創意\n94718\t101263\t好 那麼另外就是我們首位的音樂大使就是我們國台交的團長派駐了奧地利我們的這位劉學勇 劉大使那麼目前您覺得他表現得如何他被 這是奧地利人很喜歡他因為他從文化還有甚至在街頭都會人家請他指揮那個樂團表演\n117774\t128282\t就是就從我們跟奧地利的關係來講真的突破了一些我們過去比較傳統就是只有比較正物啦他從文化切入事實上他們他轄區還包括斯洛維尼克跟這個克白西亞那走訪的時候我們也看到這整個區域都動起來\n137173\t163488\t好 本席特別要點出這兩位啦當然我相信其他我們住在其他住在國的友邦的大使其實都是非常努力希望讓台灣被看見那麼目前對於常佐來說過去他在立法院除了是兩屆的立法委員然後資深的國防外交委員之外我相信因為閃靈樂團在歐洲尤其是本席其實特別到過芬蘭\n166511\t176767\t確實這個芬蘭對於閃靈樂團是非常了解的這個我相信就跟派任我們的這個首位音樂大使到奧地利一樣是有一曲同工之妙那麼剛剛也會特別問到就是說那麼給予\n180632\t187037\t我們從外交特考上來的外交官們到底有沒有機會來派任我們知道北歐五國當中其實是有兩個國家包括挪威跟冰島是我們沒有駐館的所以我們還有瑞典跟丹麥對不對那麼請問一下瑞典丹麥我們是專業的外交官系統上來的大使嗎\n203610\t228084\t是,瑞典斯古瑞森他是專業的職業外交官丹麥是我們之前駐美的副代表到那邊去擔任我們的代表,就升任愉快所以本席想要給部長一個解釋的機會因為剛剛您提到所謂的北歐五國七日聯防各司其職其實我覺得是非常重要的因為\n229866\t245035\t有一些當然我們講大使在外交工作上面需要有資深的外交的歷練但是有一些所謂的亮點或者是能夠跟地方做一些場域上的整合或者是能夠代表台灣讓台灣的價值被看到那是更為重要的那麼\n249097\t267238\t對於如果真的是由林昶佐來擔任芬蘭大使的話那麼您期望整體在北歐的佈局或者是總統所預計的佈局會是什麼樣的方向跟想像其實北歐剛好五國這是總和外交可以在這邊來推動的很好的地區\n268539\t281064\t一方面價值外交這些國家都是老牌的民主的成熟外交甚至有些還之前被蘇聯統治過所以他們的反控對台灣是很有善另外就是文化人權\n282953\t305204\t這些價值面的外交再來就是從安全上來講因為他們面對到俄烏戰爭之後都紛紛比如說以芬蘭申請加入北約這以前是不可想像因為他是比較中立性質的就是說這個威脅未來也會持續所以跟台灣他們很關心台灣面對中國威脅的經驗彼此的交流像這個海嵐其實後來發現就是中國的船\n308685\t329219\t用其他國籍,在芬蘭跟愛沙尼亞,他們是直接受到衝擊的因為北歐這個地方海南很多,電信各種需要的,包括傳輸這些天然氣、能源等等所以這個是安全的層面,也是一種同盟外交再來其實是經濟外交上,這些國家跟我們的經貿也很互補\n333722\t342849\t那未來的飛鴻供應鏈我想他們都必須要選邊這個時候台灣就是飛鴻供應鏈裡面最具備我想我們是製造大國然後跟他們很多的品牌像設計所以在經貿上面透過我們希望比如說增加航權所以最近芬蘭已經簽了那其他幾個國家也在洽談中我們可能會突破直接飛北歐以後國人去看極地\n362163\t377416\t的這個美景啊也不用再轉機我想這個也都是經貿外交裡面的一環那我剛剛再補充一下其實林昶佐委員大家可能不太了解蔡前總統現在去哥本哈可能現在那個民主峰會他都是參加都是\n378217\t402002\t主壇人耶而且他還受拜登的邀請出席這個在華盛頓峰會這個亞洲國會的議員所以他的經驗包括IPEC委員就很清楚他是促成台灣參與還有包括這個很多交流活動更不用講他在國際特色組織擔任台灣分會長北歐的人權特色組織大家都知道包括台灣的民主化\n402662\t421528\t也很多人受到他們幫助所以我是覺得我們就持平來看啦這些條件是都符合做一個大使那我是個人認為啦像在座啦不只在座啦外交國安委員會的每一個立法委員都有資格擔我們中華民國台灣駐外的大使跟代表這個是民主國家的常態\n422108\t424970\t其實部長講到這裡我想面對現在台灣的外交的困境本席會特別問這個問題是因為我相信不論是從正常管道上來的資深優秀的外交同仁我們是予以肯定的尤其他們在第一線的打拼即使現在我們是以特任的方式來任命\n443642\t458196\t非從外交系統出來的外交官但是其實他們被派出去之後代表的都是我們的國家中華民國我相信大家的目標都是一致的那麼至於有一些委員特別去質疑說這個從外交系統上來就沒有機會嗎我倒是認為不用從單一的一個點\n464742\t469868\t去看這一個人因為我相信在這樣的過程當中都是有其國家上面的考量就像當時我們派謝長廷前院長去當駐日大使因為我們派了一個院長等級的代表我們對這個邦交國或者是這個友邦的\n482803\t493676\t認同、支持跟尊重那麼現在我們派一個在當地享譽盛名或者是說在音樂界上面或是在自由人權上面作為發聲的一個前國會議員我相信應該也是有同樣的用處\n501069\t525858\t其實最近的任命很多職業外交官包括到希臘到愛爾蘭之前都是比較屬於政務任用甚至在印尼都改由職業外交官我們會視財視所因為他有比例限制我們也沒有多聘總統基於他整體外交考量的佈局我們就是支持然後全力來辦理 謝謝\n526738\t540236\t好 那麼我們也要給這個外交同仁加油因為明天520喔我相信這個中國在外交上面的打壓或打擊一定會層出不窮但是我相信我們的外交同仁都很有經驗也可以做得很好謝謝 辛苦了\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請林部長部長可以慢慢來 可以喝一口水沒有問題\n好 部長早安委員好我想今天大家都非常的關注就是我的前同事林昶佐委員會不會成為林昶佐大使我想對於外交的派任那絕對是經過國家整體的考量跟發展我非常同意就是目前以台灣的狀況尤其是今天519 明天520中國一定會處心積慮的在外交場合\n或者是外交的場域給予非常多的這個施壓或者是脅迫那麼第一線的外交同仁確實是非常辛苦的那我也感受到就是我們今天院內有許多的同仁針對長佐的這個所謂派任芬蘭這樣的一個過程給予了很多的指教首先我要先特別這個提出來的是我想這個外交的工作一定是因地制宜那麼\n雖然這個過程當中很多人會問說那特任到底有沒有其必要性本席就想要舉例就是我在東吳的時候的一位老師謝志偉 謝大使謝大使是我們德文系的教授 系主任那麼這些年來他在德國擔任大使部長您覺得他做得如何他的表現很好 有目共睹而且為外交注入了活力因為他非常有創意\n好 那麼另外就是我們首位的音樂大使就是我們國台交的團長派駐了奧地利我們的這位劉學勇 劉大使那麼目前您覺得他表現得如何他被 這是奧地利人很喜歡他因為他從文化還有甚至在街頭都會人家請他指揮那個樂團表演\n就是就從我們跟奧地利的關係來講真的突破了一些我們過去比較傳統就是只有比較正物啦他從文化切入事實上他們他轄區還包括斯洛維尼克跟這個克白西亞那走訪的時候我們也看到這整個區域都動起來\n好 本席特別要點出這兩位啦當然我相信其他我們住在其他住在國的友邦的大使其實都是非常努力希望讓台灣被看見那麼目前對於常佐來說過去他在立法院除了是兩屆的立法委員然後資深的國防外交委員之外我相信因為閃靈樂團在歐洲尤其是本席其實特別到過芬蘭\n確實這個芬蘭對於閃靈樂團是非常了解的這個我相信就跟派任我們的這個首位音樂大使到奧地利一樣是有一曲同工之妙那麼剛剛也會特別問到就是說那麼給予\n我們從外交特考上來的外交官們到底有沒有機會來派任我們知道北歐五國當中其實是有兩個國家包括挪威跟冰島是我們沒有駐館的所以我們還有瑞典跟丹麥對不對那麼請問一下瑞典丹麥我們是專業的外交官系統上來的大使嗎\n是,瑞典斯古瑞森他是專業的職業外交官丹麥是我們之前駐美的副代表到那邊去擔任我們的代表,就升任愉快所以本席想要給部長一個解釋的機會因為剛剛您提到所謂的北歐五國七日聯防各司其職其實我覺得是非常重要的因為\n有一些當然我們講大使在外交工作上面需要有資深的外交的歷練但是有一些所謂的亮點或者是能夠跟地方做一些場域上的整合或者是能夠代表台灣讓台灣的價值被看到那是更為重要的那麼\n對於如果真的是由林昶佐來擔任芬蘭大使的話那麼您期望整體在北歐的佈局或者是總統所預計的佈局會是什麼樣的方向跟想像其實北歐剛好五國這是總和外交可以在這邊來推動的很好的地區\n一方面價值外交這些國家都是老牌的民主的成熟外交甚至有些還之前被蘇聯統治過所以他們的反控對台灣是很有善另外就是文化人權\n這些價值面的外交再來就是從安全上來講因為他們面對到俄烏戰爭之後都紛紛比如說以芬蘭申請加入北約這以前是不可想像因為他是比較中立性質的就是說這個威脅未來也會持續所以跟台灣他們很關心台灣面對中國威脅的經驗彼此的交流像這個海嵐其實後來發現就是中國的船\n用其他國籍,在芬蘭跟愛沙尼亞,他們是直接受到衝擊的因為北歐這個地方海南很多,電信各種需要的,包括傳輸這些天然氣、能源等等所以這個是安全的層面,也是一種同盟外交再來其實是經濟外交上,這些國家跟我們的經貿也很互補\n那未來的飛鴻供應鏈我想他們都必須要選邊這個時候台灣就是飛鴻供應鏈裡面最具備我想我們是製造大國然後跟他們很多的品牌像設計所以在經貿上面透過我們希望比如說增加航權所以最近芬蘭已經簽了那其他幾個國家也在洽談中我們可能會突破直接飛北歐以後國人去看極地\n的這個美景啊也不用再轉機我想這個也都是經貿外交裡面的一環那我剛剛再補充一下其實林昶佐委員大家可能不太了解蔡前總統現在去哥本哈可能現在那個民主峰會他都是參加都是\n主壇人耶而且他還受拜登的邀請出席這個在華盛頓峰會這個亞洲國會的議員所以他的經驗包括IPEC委員就很清楚他是促成台灣參與還有包括這個很多交流活動更不用講他在國際特色組織擔任台灣分會長北歐的人權特色組織大家都知道包括台灣的民主化\n也很多人受到他們幫助所以我是覺得我們就持平來看啦這些條件是都符合做一個大使那我是個人認為啦像在座啦不只在座啦外交國安委員會的每一個立法委員都有資格擔我們中華民國台灣駐外的大使跟代表這個是民主國家的常態\n其實部長講到這裡我想面對現在台灣的外交的困境本席會特別問這個問題是因為我相信不論是從正常管道上來的資深優秀的外交同仁我們是予以肯定的尤其他們在第一線的打拼即使現在我們是以特任的方式來任命\n非從外交系統出來的外交官但是其實他們被派出去之後代表的都是我們的國家中華民國我相信大家的目標都是一致的那麼至於有一些委員特別去質疑說這個從外交系統上來就沒有機會嗎我倒是認為不用從單一的一個點\n去看這一個人因為我相信在這樣的過程當中都是有其國家上面的考量就像當時我們派謝長廷前院長去當駐日大使因為我們派了一個院長等級的代表我們對這個邦交國或者是這個友邦的\n認同、支持跟尊重那麼現在我們派一個在當地享譽盛名或者是說在音樂界上面或是在自由人權上面作為發聲的一個前國會議員我相信應該也是有同樣的用處\n其實最近的任命很多職業外交官包括到希臘到愛爾蘭之前都是比較屬於政務任用甚至在印尼都改由職業外交官我們會視財視所因為他有比例限制我們也沒有多聘總統基於他整體外交考量的佈局我們就是支持然後全力來辦理 謝謝\n好 那麼我們也要給這個外交同仁加油因為明天520喔我相信這個中國在外交上面的打壓或打擊一定會層出不窮但是我相信我們的外交同仁都很有經驗也可以做得很好謝謝 辛苦了\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.983 --> 00:05.937\n謝謝主席主席有請林部長部長可以慢慢來可以喝一口水沒有問題\n\n00:10.438 --> 00:25.451\n好部長早安委員好我想今天大家都非常的關注就是我的前同事林昶佐委員會不會成為林昶佐大使我想對於外交的派任那絕對是經過國家整體的考量跟發展我非常同意就是目前以台灣的狀況尤其是今天519明天520中國一定會處心積慮的在外交場合\n\n00:37.901 --> 01:06.070\n或者是外交的場域給予非常多的這個施壓或者是脅迫那麼第一線的外交同仁確實是非常辛苦的那我也感受到就是我們今天院內有許多的同仁針對長佐的這個所謂派任芬蘭這樣的一個過程給予了很多的指教首先我要先特別這個提出來的是我想這個外交的工作一定是因地制宜那麼\n\n01:07.530 --> 01:34.202\n雖然這個過程當中很多人會問說那特任到底有沒有其必要性本席就想要舉例就是我在東吳的時候的一位老師謝志偉謝大使謝大使是我們德文系的教授系主任那麼這些年來他在德國擔任大使部長您覺得他做得如何他的表現很好有目共睹而且為外交注入了活力因為他非常有創意\n\n01:34.718 --> 01:41.263\n好那麼另外就是我們首位的音樂大使就是我們國台交的團長派駐了奧地利我們的這位劉學勇劉大使那麼目前您覺得他表現得如何他被這是奧地利人很喜歡他因為他從文化還有甚至在街頭都會人家請他指揮那個樂團表演\n\n01:57.774 --> 02:08.282\n就是就從我們跟奧地利的關係來講真的突破了一些我們過去比較傳統就是只有比較正物啦他從文化切入事實上他們他轄區還包括斯洛維尼克跟這個克白西亞那走訪的時候我們也看到這整個區域都動起來\n\n02:17.173 --> 02:43.488\n好本席特別要點出這兩位啦當然我相信其他我們住在其他住在國的友邦的大使其實都是非常努力希望讓台灣被看見那麼目前對於常佐來說過去他在立法院除了是兩屆的立法委員然後資深的國防外交委員之外我相信因為閃靈樂團在歐洲尤其是本席其實特別到過芬蘭\n\n02:46.511 --> 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