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00:03:20,369\n對這件的一個學生的訓斷都有做排除我們道場就有協助校方來處理有排除這件事情有排除這件事情就是沒有再進去因為他當時跟這個諸位警有發生衝突他如果說能夠處置不讓他進去那當然就離開嘛那當時在那邊有爭執沒辦法處理之後請警方到場警方到場之後有處置他就離開了\n\n9\n00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:28,782\n所以說你有沒有說要去傳喚他來說明為什麼說他已經這個我們的法已經通過了他還是這樣子的行為就無法無天了嘛對不對問題就是說當時的狀況是有沒有違法就是有沒有告訴告發嘛有沒有違法這個校方有沒有要做告訴告發有一些就是屬於告訴來論的這個部分有些還沒達到法律的要件\n\n10\n00:03:48,075 --> 00:04:06,924\n你說學校也是有報案你們已經介入了所以說只是勸導他離開所以說你們沒有去查或者是說要去換他來說明為什麼他是博士他還是做這樣子我們拜託我們署長我們不要緊啦少子化\n\n11\n00:04:11,220 --> 00:04:22,482\n讓孩子好好去讀書啦這個是拜託你拜託你也是要讓不要再這樣子去打擾我們的學校也不要去打擾學生\n\n12\n00:04:23,719 --> 00:04:35,845\n這個部分希望我們警政署這邊因為我們這個人他已經進入這樣子的學校所以已經違法我們的選罷法第52條的規定與第104條的規定違法進入學校就是宣導的意圖了所以這個選罷法在114年2月18號已經\n\n13\n00:04:51,992 --> 00:05:10,081\n修法通過了所以我們希望我們的警政署這邊就是要去處理啦希望你不要讓他就是就是討債我們的公權力所以不能就是已經進入如果是他沒有\n\n14\n00:05:11,581 --> 00:05:27,693\n讓學校那麼生氣不可能會報紙都登因為遷倒一次兩次這樣子的話他還在那邊才會上報不會學校這樣子就馬上去上報了這個才是說我們感覺是嚴重性\n\n15\n00:05:30,051 --> 00:05:46,924\n就希望我們的署長就是要去進一步的了解好嗎好謝謝接下來我要想要請教一下我們的NCC代理主委還有個資保護委員會的我們的訴發部因為我們就是根據個資保護法第20條\n\n16\n00:05:59,215 --> 00:06:06,101\n我們各自個人資料的利用於收集日必要範圍的範圍內非經過當事人同意不得為目標外的利用但是我們看到的請教一下\n\n17\n00:06:17,392 --> 00:06:36,901\n誰給這些罷免團體使用簡訊發各自的權限還有說中選會是否掌握誰取得了連署人的手機資料還有是說第三方的聯繫的外卸抒發部還有我們各自保護委員會的籌備處是否舉動調查這個有做嗎我們的行政有沒有依法行政\n\n18\n00:06:45,953 --> 00:07:10,635\n公文報告NCC的之前方文內是針對三大電信業者這一塊我們都有要求他們來落實各自法尊那針對這個個案我們在5月5號5月9號都找他們來做行政調查那調查結果是這些資訊都不是三大業者他們的這個接受的簡訊的資訊都不是電信業者所提供電信業者也沒有提供其他的LBS服務以上\n\n19\n00:07:12,213 --> 00:07:16,734\n我們法務部長說不談個案啦所以很多才會到我們這邊啦個案的話只要查個案的話就是沒辦法去查到水落石出啦所以說我們難道我們今天任何人都可以就是以政治的目的任意就是發簡信嗎所以這種就是罷免為民就是已經洩露很多我們的個資了\n\n20\n00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:54,133\n所以我們要用這個個資保護法放在這裡,對我們人民真的沒有保障所以這樣子的,我們政府這樣子就是個案查也沒有說真正的是讓我們知道說怎麼樣去查出還有就是我們還是呢,就像我們之前我們的王一川委員說的\n\n21\n00:08:03,962 --> 00:08:11,091\n引發國家機器監控還是他用這樣子的方式用手機來對比掃描把這個資料給業者嗎\n\n22\n00:08:18,067 --> 00:08:39,231\n這個部分我們也要查清楚電信業者部分我們已經查過沒有這種情況但是因為這個整個發送簡訊的流程有涉及到好幾個不同的業別那不同業別有對應不同的主管機關來處理那NCC的職長範圍內的部分已經查過目前並沒有違反各自的情形\n\n23\n00:08:40,600 --> 00:09:00,618\n所以變成是罷免團體他們就是用抓的網路抓下來就是傳簡訊是這樣子的意思嗎所以沒有這樣情形他們治療從哪裡來的應該有源頭啦電信業者部分沒有洩露個資也沒有做目的外的利用\n\n24\n00:09:02,338 --> 00:09:25,959\n所以你們查得很清楚有資料這些如果是說這些要被莫名其妙收到簡訊的人再來去檢舉的話你們每一個都查不要說個案通盤查當事人接受人他可以來主張他的權益用個資法後面的一些29條等等來做一些主張他的權益\n\n25\n00:09:26,624 --> 00:09:42,377\n所以你們都有嚴查嘛但是我們沒有看到說你們可不可以提供說你們是有去查的因為任何的資料我們登錄我們登錄都有記錄的登錄資料都有記錄戶證他們登錄看資料都有記錄\n\n26\n00:09:46,340 --> 00:10:01,205\n所以說你們都沒有查出就說就查沒有沒有不是葉子這樣子用說的我們真的沒有辦法說我們人民有保障我們行政調查有記錄有記錄那如果委員需要我們可以跟委員報告好那這健診業者部分是沒有問題的\n\n27\n00:10:02,085 --> 00:10:06,947\n好OK如果是這樣子那麼明確的話我們希望說要保障我們人民的權利啦因為我們個資保護法已經定在那裡了但是有很多我們的資料都會被人家去盜用或者是傳點信莫名其妙就會傳到很多的點信所以我們才會覺得說今天希望我們NCC這邊還有就是我們中選會我們法務部\n\n28\n00:10:28,474 --> 00:10:53,464\n各個警政署我們就是要徹查因為這些都是有認證身份還有記錄的還有我們希望不允許我們民進黨在用民主的名義掩護違法的行為還有人民的手機不是你們的政治的工具資料也不是你們動員的機器的燃料民進黨是否有聯心\n\n29\n00:10:55,905 --> 00:11:19,559\n就不該再當個資共犯因為我們希望真的徹底去查避免就是假罷免還有真真壓操控我們的人民的個資這樣我們真的是會感覺就是到處都要去預防人民這樣子的恐慌我們希望在這邊訴求各單位給明確的一個交代我們如果沒有\n\n30\n00:11:25,215 --> 00:11:44,605\n還在被人民再來去打電話來跟我們投訴的話我們就會徹底我們就要去查這個事情希望大家就是要保護我們人民的個資也是保護我們人民的安全可以嗎再麻煩你沒有問題好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11065\t35212\t謝謝主席 有請錦珍署長還有中選會麻煩署長 中選會好 委員好署長好 署長看一下我們就是這個就是闖進我們的校園的案件\n36947\t55945\t我們署長你認為誰對誰錯,是否是我們的警衛非常盡責,還是說我們罷免的團體無法無天?對,根據我們,待會你先回答那對於效應的部分,我們警衛署有看法,就是尊重效應的自治\n57287\t80786\t校園的自治因為我們警察進入校園也要經過他們的同意就是去處理一些相關的可能這些學生的這個事務也要透過學校的這個同意我們才能夠進入我們警察進入校園都是這樣子的所以對於校園的這個處置的一個方式那我們是尊重校園的這個自治\n82332\t103234\t好所以說我們但是我們根據交易基準法第6條的規定交易因本中立原則你們覺得這個人號稱自己是博士生有博士生的知識的能力卻還做出這種就是違法的行為除了違法\n104635\t125260\t憲法法之外還違反了社會秩序的維護法第73條規定與學校博物館、圖書館還有就是展覽會、運動會或其他公共場所口角紛爭的喧嘩之勢不停止\n126737\t145325\t這樣子的人所以呢經過多吃幾排還有呢就是說勸導這是你們的語言但是呢就是就挑戰公權力已經是違法的行為如果你們覺得這樣子如何處理\n146135\t174587\t好那這個學校當然第一時間如果警衛他會做處理那他處理沒辦法處理的時候他會像這個案子有報案報案之後我們到場之後就會做處置所以這個案第一個當然是尊重校園處理校園沒辦法處理要經過我們的這個對於他的可能處置治安難省要做我們行政協助或者是依法去處理我們情況會到場到場之後像這一件就有做在做\n176188\t200369\t對這件的一個學生的訓斷都有做排除我們道場就有協助校方來處理有排除這件事情有排除這件事情就是沒有再進去因為他當時跟這個諸位警有發生衝突他如果說能夠處置不讓他進去那當然就離開嘛那當時在那邊有爭執沒辦法處理之後請警方到場警方到場之後有處置他就離開了\n202077\t208782\t所以說你有沒有說要去傳喚他來說明為什麼說他已經這個我們的法已經通過了他還是這樣子的行為就無法無天了嘛對不對問題就是說當時的狀況是有沒有違法就是有沒有告訴告發嘛有沒有違法這個校方有沒有要做告訴告發有一些就是屬於告訴來論的這個部分有些還沒達到法律的要件\n228075\t246924\t你說學校也是有報案 你們已經介入了所以說只是勸導他離開所以說你們沒有去查 或者是說要去換他來說明為什麼他是博士 他還是做這樣子我們拜託我們署長 我們不要緊啦 少子化\n251220\t262482\t讓孩子好好去讀書啦這個是拜託你 拜託你也是要讓不要再這樣子去打擾我們的學校也不要去打擾學生\n263719\t275845\t這個部分希望我們警政署這邊因為我們這個人他已經進入這樣子的學校所以已經違法我們的選罷法第52條的規定與第104條的規定違法進入學校就是宣導的意圖了所以這個選罷法在114年2月18號已經\n291992\t310081\t修法通過了所以我們希望我們的警政署這邊就是要去處理啦希望你不要讓他就是就是討債我們的公權力所以不能就是已經進入如果是他沒有\n311581\t327693\t讓學校那麼生氣不可能會報紙都登因為遷倒一次兩次這樣子的話他還在那邊才會上報不會學校這樣子就馬上去上報了這個才是說我們感覺是嚴重性\n330051\t346924\t就希望我們的署長就是要去進一步的了解 好嗎好 謝謝接下來我要想要請教一下我們的NCC代理主委還有個資保護委員會的我們的訴發部因為我們就是根據個資保護法第20條\n359215\t366101\t我們各自個人資料的利用於收集日必要範圍的範圍內非經過當事人同意不得為目標外的利用但是我們看到的請教一下\n377392\t396901\t誰給這些罷免團體使用簡訊發各自的權限還有說中選會是否掌握誰取得了連署人的手機資料還有是說第三方的聯繫的外卸抒發部還有我們各自保護委員會的籌備處是否舉動調查這個有做嗎 我們的行政有沒有依法行政\n405953\t430635\t公文報告NCC的之前方文內是針對三大電信業者這一塊我們都有要求他們來落實各自法尊那針對這個個案我們在5月5號5月9號都找他們來做行政調查那調查結果是這些資訊都不是三大業者他們的這個接受的簡訊的資訊都不是電信業者所提供電信業者也沒有提供其他的LBS服務以上\n432213\t436734\t我們法務部長說不談個案啦 所以很多才會到我們這邊啦個案的話 只要查個案的話 就是沒辦法去查到水落石出啦所以說我們難道我們今天任何人都可以就是以政治的目的任意就是發簡信嗎所以這種就是罷免為民 就是已經洩露很多我們的個資了\n458760\t474133\t所以我們要用這個個資保護法放在這裡,對我們人民真的沒有保障所以這樣子的,我們政府這樣子就是個案查也沒有說真正的是讓我們知道說怎麼樣去查出還有就是我們還是呢,就像我們之前我們的王一川委員說的\n483962\t491091\t引發國家機器監控還是他用這樣子的方式用手機來對比掃描把這個資料給業者嗎\n498067\t519231\t這個部分我們也要查清楚電信業者部分我們已經查過沒有這種情況但是因為這個整個發送簡訊的流程有涉及到好幾個不同的業別那不同業別有對應不同的主管機關來處理那NCC的職長範圍內的部分已經查過目前並沒有違反各自的情形\n520600\t540618\t所以變成是罷免團體他們就是用抓的網路抓下來就是傳簡訊是這樣子的意思嗎所以沒有這樣情形他們治療從哪裡來的應該有源頭啦電信業者部分沒有洩露個資也沒有做目的外的利用\n542338\t565959\t所以你們查得很清楚有資料這些如果是說這些要被莫名其妙收到簡訊的人再來去檢舉的話你們每一個都查不要說個案通盤查當事人接受人他可以來主張他的權益用個資法後面的一些29條等等來做一些主張他的權益\n566624\t582377\t所以你們都有嚴查嘛但是我們沒有看到說你們可不可以提供說你們是有去查的因為任何的資料我們登錄我們登錄都有記錄的登錄資料都有記錄戶證他們登錄看資料都有記錄\n586340\t601205\t所以說你們都沒有查出就說就查沒有沒有不是葉子這樣子用說的我們真的沒有辦法說我們人民有保障我們行政調查有記錄有記錄那如果委員需要我們可以跟委員報告好那這健診業者部分是沒有問題的\n602085\t606947\t好 OK如果是這樣子那麼明確的話我們希望說要保障我們人民的權利啦因為我們個資保護法已經定在那裡了但是有很多我們的資料都會被人家去盜用或者是傳點信莫名其妙就會傳到很多的點信所以我們才會覺得說今天希望我們NCC這邊還有就是我們中選會我們法務部\n628474\t653464\t各個警政署我們就是要徹查因為這些都是有認證身份還有記錄的還有我們希望不允許我們民進黨在用民主的名義掩護違法的行為還有人民的手機不是你們的政治的工具資料也不是你們動員的機器的燃料民進黨是否有聯心\n655905\t679559\t就不該再當個資共犯因為我們希望真的徹底去查避免就是假罷免還有真真壓操控我們的人民的個資這樣我們真的是會感覺就是到處都要去預防人民這樣子的恐慌我們希望在這邊訴求各單位給明確的一個交代我們如果沒有\n685215\t704605\t還在被人民再來去打電話來跟我們投訴的話我們就會徹底我們就要去查這個事情希望大家就是要保護我們人民的個資也是保護我們人民的安全可以嗎再麻煩你沒有問題好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請錦珍署長還有中選會麻煩署長 中選會好 委員好署長好 署長看一下我們就是這個就是闖進我們的校園的案件\n我們署長你認為誰對誰錯,是否是我們的警衛非常盡責,還是說我們罷免的團體無法無天?對,根據我們,待會你先回答那對於效應的部分,我們警衛署有看法,就是尊重效應的自治\n校園的自治因為我們警察進入校園也要經過他們的同意就是去處理一些相關的可能這些學生的這個事務也要透過學校的這個同意我們才能夠進入我們警察進入校園都是這樣子的所以對於校園的這個處置的一個方式那我們是尊重校園的這個自治\n好所以說我們但是我們根據交易基準法第6條的規定交易因本中立原則你們覺得這個人號稱自己是博士生有博士生的知識的能力卻還做出這種就是違法的行為除了違法\n憲法法之外還違反了社會秩序的維護法第73條規定與學校博物館、圖書館還有就是展覽會、運動會或其他公共場所口角紛爭的喧嘩之勢不停止\n這樣子的人所以呢經過多吃幾排還有呢就是說勸導這是你們的語言但是呢就是就挑戰公權力已經是違法的行為如果你們覺得這樣子如何處理\n好那這個學校當然第一時間如果警衛他會做處理那他處理沒辦法處理的時候他會像這個案子有報案報案之後我們到場之後就會做處置所以這個案第一個當然是尊重校園處理校園沒辦法處理要經過我們的這個對於他的可能處置治安難省要做我們行政協助或者是依法去處理我們情況會到場到場之後像這一件就有做在做\n對這件的一個學生的訓斷都有做排除我們道場就有協助校方來處理有排除這件事情有排除這件事情就是沒有再進去因為他當時跟這個諸位警有發生衝突他如果說能夠處置不讓他進去那當然就離開嘛那當時在那邊有爭執沒辦法處理之後請警方到場警方到場之後有處置他就離開了\n所以說你有沒有說要去傳喚他來說明為什麼說他已經這個我們的法已經通過了他還是這樣子的行為就無法無天了嘛對不對問題就是說當時的狀況是有沒有違法就是有沒有告訴告發嘛有沒有違法這個校方有沒有要做告訴告發有一些就是屬於告訴來論的這個部分有些還沒達到法律的要件\n你說學校也是有報案 你們已經介入了所以說只是勸導他離開所以說你們沒有去查 或者是說要去換他來說明為什麼他是博士 他還是做這樣子我們拜託我們署長 我們不要緊啦 少子化\n讓孩子好好去讀書啦這個是拜託你 拜託你也是要讓不要再這樣子去打擾我們的學校也不要去打擾學生\n這個部分希望我們警政署這邊因為我們這個人他已經進入這樣子的學校所以已經違法我們的選罷法第52條的規定與第104條的規定違法進入學校就是宣導的意圖了所以這個選罷法在114年2月18號已經\n修法通過了所以我們希望我們的警政署這邊就是要去處理啦希望你不要讓他就是就是討債我們的公權力所以不能就是已經進入如果是他沒有\n讓學校那麼生氣不可能會報紙都登因為遷倒一次兩次這樣子的話他還在那邊才會上報不會學校這樣子就馬上去上報了這個才是說我們感覺是嚴重性\n就希望我們的署長就是要去進一步的了解 好嗎好 謝謝接下來我要想要請教一下我們的NCC代理主委還有個資保護委員會的我們的訴發部因為我們就是根據個資保護法第20條\n我們各自個人資料的利用於收集日必要範圍的範圍內非經過當事人同意不得為目標外的利用但是我們看到的請教一下\n誰給這些罷免團體使用簡訊發各自的權限還有說中選會是否掌握誰取得了連署人的手機資料還有是說第三方的聯繫的外卸抒發部還有我們各自保護委員會的籌備處是否舉動調查這個有做嗎 我們的行政有沒有依法行政\n公文報告NCC的之前方文內是針對三大電信業者這一塊我們都有要求他們來落實各自法尊那針對這個個案我們在5月5號5月9號都找他們來做行政調查那調查結果是這些資訊都不是三大業者他們的這個接受的簡訊的資訊都不是電信業者所提供電信業者也沒有提供其他的LBS服務以上\n我們法務部長說不談個案啦 所以很多才會到我們這邊啦個案的話 只要查個案的話 就是沒辦法去查到水落石出啦所以說我們難道我們今天任何人都可以就是以政治的目的任意就是發簡信嗎所以這種就是罷免為民 就是已經洩露很多我們的個資了\n所以我們要用這個個資保護法放在這裡,對我們人民真的沒有保障所以這樣子的,我們政府這樣子就是個案查也沒有說真正的是讓我們知道說怎麼樣去查出還有就是我們還是呢,就像我們之前我們的王一川委員說的\n引發國家機器監控還是他用這樣子的方式用手機來對比掃描把這個資料給業者嗎\n這個部分我們也要查清楚電信業者部分我們已經查過沒有這種情況但是因為這個整個發送簡訊的流程有涉及到好幾個不同的業別那不同業別有對應不同的主管機關來處理那NCC的職長範圍內的部分已經查過目前並沒有違反各自的情形\n所以變成是罷免團體他們就是用抓的網路抓下來就是傳簡訊是這樣子的意思嗎所以沒有這樣情形他們治療從哪裡來的應該有源頭啦電信業者部分沒有洩露個資也沒有做目的外的利用\n所以你們查得很清楚有資料這些如果是說這些要被莫名其妙收到簡訊的人再來去檢舉的話你們每一個都查不要說個案通盤查當事人接受人他可以來主張他的權益用個資法後面的一些29條等等來做一些主張他的權益\n所以你們都有嚴查嘛但是我們沒有看到說你們可不可以提供說你們是有去查的因為任何的資料我們登錄我們登錄都有記錄的登錄資料都有記錄戶證他們登錄看資料都有記錄\n所以說你們都沒有查出就說就查沒有沒有不是葉子這樣子用說的我們真的沒有辦法說我們人民有保障我們行政調查有記錄有記錄那如果委員需要我們可以跟委員報告好那這健診業者部分是沒有問題的\n好 OK如果是這樣子那麼明確的話我們希望說要保障我們人民的權利啦因為我們個資保護法已經定在那裡了但是有很多我們的資料都會被人家去盜用或者是傳點信莫名其妙就會傳到很多的點信所以我們才會覺得說今天希望我們NCC這邊還有就是我們中選會我們法務部\n各個警政署我們就是要徹查因為這些都是有認證身份還有記錄的還有我們希望不允許我們民進黨在用民主的名義掩護違法的行為還有人民的手機不是你們的政治的工具資料也不是你們動員的機器的燃料民進黨是否有聯心\n就不該再當個資共犯因為我們希望真的徹底去查避免就是假罷免還有真真壓操控我們的人民的個資這樣我們真的是會感覺就是到處都要去預防人民這樣子的恐慌我們希望在這邊訴求各單位給明確的一個交代我們如果沒有\n還在被人民再來去打電話來跟我們投訴的話我們就會徹底我們就要去查這個事情希望大家就是要保護我們人民的個資也是保護我們人民的安全可以嗎再麻煩你沒有問題好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.065 --> 00:35.212\n謝謝主席有請錦珍署長還有中選會麻煩署長中選會好委員好署長好署長看一下我們就是這個就是闖進我們的校園的案件\n\n00:36.947 --> 00:55.945\n我們署長你認為誰對誰錯,是否是我們的警衛非常盡責,還是說我們罷免的團體無法無天?對,根據我們,待會你先回答那對於效應的部分,我們警衛署有看法,就是尊重效應的自治\n\n00:57.287 --> 01:20.786\n校園的自治因為我們警察進入校園也要經過他們的同意就是去處理一些相關的可能這些學生的這個事務也要透過學校的這個同意我們才能夠進入我們警察進入校園都是這樣子的所以對於校園的這個處置的一個方式那我們是尊重校園的這個自治\n\n01:22.332 --> 01:43.234\n好所以說我們但是我們根據交易基準法第6條的規定交易因本中立原則你們覺得這個人號稱自己是博士生有博士生的知識的能力卻還做出這種就是違法的行為除了違法\n\n01:44.635 --> 02:05.260\n憲法法之外還違反了社會秩序的維護法第73條規定與學校博物館、圖書館還有就是展覽會、運動會或其他公共場所口角紛爭的喧嘩之勢不停止\n\n02:06.737 --> 02:25.325\n這樣子的人所以呢經過多吃幾排還有呢就是說勸導這是你們的語言但是呢就是就挑戰公權力已經是違法的行為如果你們覺得這樣子如何處理\n\n02:26.135 --> 02:54.587\n好那這個學校當然第一時間如果警衛他會做處理那他處理沒辦法處理的時候他會像這個案子有報案報案之後我們到場之後就會做處置所以這個案第一個當然是尊重校園處理校園沒辦法處理要經過我們的這個對於他的可能處置治安難省要做我們行政協助或者是依法去處理我們情況會到場到場之後像這一件就有做在做\n\n02:56.188 --> 03:20.369\n對這件的一個學生的訓斷都有做排除我們道場就有協助校方來處理有排除這件事情有排除這件事情就是沒有再進去因為他當時跟這個諸位警有發生衝突他如果說能夠處置不讓他進去那當然就離開嘛那當時在那邊有爭執沒辦法處理之後請警方到場警方到場之後有處置他就離開了\n\n03:22.077 --> 03:28.782\n所以說你有沒有說要去傳喚他來說明為什麼說他已經這個我們的法已經通過了他還是這樣子的行為就無法無天了嘛對不對問題就是說當時的狀況是有沒有違法就是有沒有告訴告發嘛有沒有違法這個校方有沒有要做告訴告發有一些就是屬於告訴來論的這個部分有些還沒達到法律的要件\n\n03:48.075 --> 04:06.924\n你說學校也是有報案你們已經介入了所以說只是勸導他離開所以說你們沒有去查或者是說要去換他來說明為什麼他是博士他還是做這樣子我們拜託我們署長我們不要緊啦少子化\n\n04:11.220 --> 04:22.482\n讓孩子好好去讀書啦這個是拜託你拜託你也是要讓不要再這樣子去打擾我們的學校也不要去打擾學生\n\n04:23.719 --> 04:35.845\n這個部分希望我們警政署這邊因為我們這個人他已經進入這樣子的學校所以已經違法我們的選罷法第52條的規定與第104條的規定違法進入學校就是宣導的意圖了所以這個選罷法在114年2月18號已經\n\n04:51.992 --> 05:10.081\n修法通過了所以我們希望我們的警政署這邊就是要去處理啦希望你不要讓他就是就是討債我們的公權力所以不能就是已經進入如果是他沒有\n\n05:11.581 --> 05:27.693\n讓學校那麼生氣不可能會報紙都登因為遷倒一次兩次這樣子的話他還在那邊才會上報不會學校這樣子就馬上去上報了這個才是說我們感覺是嚴重性\n\n05:30.051 --> 05:46.924\n就希望我們的署長就是要去進一步的了解好嗎好謝謝接下來我要想要請教一下我們的NCC代理主委還有個資保護委員會的我們的訴發部因為我們就是根據個資保護法第20條\n\n05:59.215 --> 06:06.101\n我們各自個人資料的利用於收集日必要範圍的範圍內非經過當事人同意不得為目標外的利用但是我們看到的請教一下\n\n06:17.392 --> 06:36.901\n誰給這些罷免團體使用簡訊發各自的權限還有說中選會是否掌握誰取得了連署人的手機資料還有是說第三方的聯繫的外卸抒發部還有我們各自保護委員會的籌備處是否舉動調查這個有做嗎我們的行政有沒有依法行政\n\n06:45.953 --> 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