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00:00:02,729\n謝謝主席有請外交部林佳榮部長\n\n2\n00:00:14,349 --> 00:00:34,317\n部長好最近外交部問題其實也蠻多的等一下依照我有很多問題要問啦我想請部長等一下簡短的重點的回答那部長相信今天其實所有的委員都非常的在意就是有關前立委林昶佐將接任芬蘭代表的這個事情\n\n3\n00:00:35,077 --> 00:00:38,978\n當然執政黨都是非常稱讚林昶佐說他過去長期待在外交國防委員會所以熟悉我國的國防的政策但外界仍然是有一些質疑但是林昶佐過去他有用一個焦慮症的理由沒有服兵役但是這個已經引發了一些爭議然後其實在醫學上焦慮跟憂鬱其實是兩種不同的類型的情緒上面的困擾\n\n4\n00:01:01,963 --> 00:01:10,687\n但是這個常常會一起發生然後芬蘭有高居不下的自殺率在1990年的時候芬蘭是全球自殺率最高的國家而且北歐這些國家都是日照很短的國家其實這種病症是很容易發作的所以我在想說他真的適合去擔任芬蘭的代表嗎還是因為他是有綠色黨證的特定人士然後讓你們\n\n5\n00:01:29,235 --> 00:01:34,417\n突然忽略他的健康的問題這樣會不會造成他的問題很慷慮啊其實這一點是我們非常擔心的因為你們千萬不要害他其實北歐這些國家根本在於他這種焦慮症憂鬱症的人是不太適合去那個地方的那我想如果是說外交部已經選任林昶佐要出任芬蘭大使的這個消息已經屬實了那你覺得\n\n6\n00:01:54,625 --> 00:02:18,723\n還有一點就是外交人員可以接受嗎可以信任和甘心的服從嗎那請部長林長佐委員他的背景還有專業是屬於深任那至於說他的兵役或者他的病史我想我們就不待為回答這部分他應該有對社會會做說明那我們是從整體的佈局在北歐\n\n7\n00:02:20,004 --> 00:02:36,421\n這個整個區域我們要發揮最大的總和外交的效應的話如果一個對於人權關心然後有音樂的專長然後能夠做文化外交我想對整個區域跟台灣的關係的提升我們是有所期待\n\n8\n00:02:37,442 --> 00:02:58,270\n當然現在這個人事案是在作業中還沒有他需要由總統基於他的任命那總統府來公告那是因為委員關心那我想我自己也來自於民意代表我也知道在我的範圍內盡量跟大家說明至於說他個人的這個身體的情形這我比較不方便來代言\n\n9\n00:03:00,460 --> 00:03:19,592\n因為我知道我是一個建議因為北歐國家真的不太適合有這種病症的人去當然人要健康的情況下才有辦法做好任何事情所以我在想說我還是提醒部長外交工作真的是推動非常的不容易一定要多方面的評估啊而且也還要為財適用才行\n\n10\n00:03:23,885 --> 00:03:30,967\n接下來我再想請問一下WHA世界衛生大會的議題今天請問到今天WHA會議都已經開始了我們這次應該沒有收到邀請函是不是對沒有那部長那你覺得自從民進黨執政到現在已經八年了然後連WHA的觀察員這個身份都失去了但我們台灣的醫療在全世界其實都是前段班的新冠疫情的時候其實全球的防疫也是做得非常的好但是\n\n11\n00:03:53,995 --> 00:03:58,400\n遲遲都沒有辦法叩關成功這樣是否表示我們的外交工作還是要有很大的努力空間那想請教部長一下就是WHA這是我們第九年嘛沒有收到這個邀請函但是我們總不可能一直都把這個責任推給中國的問題嘛否則我們台灣醫療再怎麼樣進步我們都沒有辦法\n\n12\n00:04:15,559 --> 00:04:21,021\n進去世界衛生組織裡面所以有些訊息我們就沒有辦法跟世界接軌那我想要拜託部長你是不是要好好勸勸賴總統他自己也是醫生醫者人心千萬不要為了一己之心讓政治影響到全台灣人民的健康所以部長那你贊成本席的看法嗎還有說外交部有什麼想法想要爭取世界衛生組織還有你們未來你們是要怎麼樣突破這一個困境呢\n\n13\n00:04:43,493 --> 00:05:13,073\n我們爭取參加世界衛生組織是基於基本人權普世價值以外其實也是對世界的貢獻所以我們沒有參加也是世界的損失但是我們基於對國人我們希望健康的促進或保障我們很多的方法在周邊的一些技術性的會議也是有一定的參與因為現在的情形是大家都了解\n\n14\n00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:40,002\n涉及到中國他的這個壓力尤其是他用這個所謂的聯合國2758號決議那麼在這個問題上越多越來的國家表態是說明其實所謂2758號決議並沒有辦法排除台灣參加世界衛生組織這個在外交戰場是很重要甚至支持台灣的立場越來越多那至於說其他的方式我們怎麼去呈現這一個\n\n15\n00:05:42,163 --> 00:06:04,845\n台灣沒有參加世界衛生組織是一個違反WHO的宗旨我們有很多的活動以外這一次比如透過智慧醫療數位的科技的解決方案包括AI這也是我們在APEC裡面其實都透過數位醫療在推展的那在WHO我們這次有包括像宏基智一廣達電腦他們\n\n16\n00:06:08,008 --> 00:06:22,438\n我知道你們都有努力但是已經那麼多年來了我們總是要突破這個困境嘛那沒關係因為還有很多問題要問就是說現在我還是希望外交部還是要很努力啦我們還是希望能看到一個好的成果主席再給我兩分鐘謝謝\n\n17\n00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:37,351\n然後接下來我想要繼續追蹤一下就是我們南非代表處的被迫遷離的問題今年3月的時候然後南非外交部也幫官網上面的台北聯絡代表處改成台北商務辦事處其實這個看到這個是真的是非常的難過啦\n\n18\n00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:44,497\n因為台北雖然大部分是我國駐外代表處的名稱但是這是我們台灣為了加入國際組織不得已的妥協的方案但是如今我們現在連一個地方政府都不是了而是國際組織所以南非外交部擅自更改我們的住處的名稱地址刪除我國的駐外代表知道我們不願意遷離嘛就只好用這一個名義來達到目的其實這樣的行為已經是不是不禮貌了而是不尊重了而且讓我們\n\n19\n00:07:08,493 --> 00:07:23,353\n感受到非常的受欺負那部長我們中華民國是國際組織嗎還有就連廖文哲大使的介紹都被刪除了這個是有損國格的事情那你們外交部竟然可以忍還可以吞下這個羞辱嗎所以我想說\n\n20\n00:07:25,276 --> 00:07:28,198\n經過最近的外交部的評估我在覺得南非政府會不會是真的真心要強制驅離我們呢還是只是要用一個表態配合中國的演出然後演給中共看一下大內宣看的這樣的情況而已呢那你部長你覺得有什麼可以向我們說明的嗎有\n\n21\n00:07:46,243 --> 00:08:05,751\n我們在南非社台灣的代表處這是基於我們兩國的協議啊任何的變更都需要經過諮商談判的過程所以我們除了抗議然後持續交涉我們也據理力爭至於在這個過程當中他片面的行為我們這個\n\n22\n00:08:08,553 --> 00:08:31,550\n如果他要強迫我們搬離的時候,已經有這樣的行動我們會有反制,這個反制包括從各個方面他應該也都理解,可是為什麼他還是做了這些動作包括擅自改名,把一些資訊拿掉,矮化我們\n\n23\n00:08:33,114 --> 00:08:54,768\n不然全世界都了解這是中國的壓力其實我覺得這種情況是越來越慘耶因為我記得我們上一次進行中也是有執行過你看他這樣做之後除了美國的政府、國會之外像南非現在要爭取美國在ACOIA就是非洲成長機會法案他可能就會有困難\n\n24\n00:08:56,029 --> 00:09:19,117\n那麼另外就是說他國內也很多的不同聲音因為他的外交並沒有尊重執政聯盟所以執政聯盟你的政黨裡面公開的國會議員也表示反對的意見甚至有一些在野黨也拜訪台灣所以這些媒體大家都知道南非這樣做是站不住腳可是為什麼他還這樣做那我們就知道說背後有一些原因那為什麼只做到目前這個情況\n\n25\n00:09:20,177 --> 00:09:25,079\n後來會不會再更重的這些行動我們當然都必須要密切觀察跟妥善因應因為今年是南非舉辦G20它跟中國之間的關係是非常密切那中國對它的影響力當然很大不過我們也並不是沒有辦法反制只是我們不希望兩敗俱傷的方式所以我們當然在現在這個情形我們還在管控中\n\n26\n00:09:47,648 --> 00:10:14,417\n但一旦超過了一個範圍我們準備好的方案也會予以反制我還是要提醒一下就是我國駐南非使館的事情其實剛才部長也說應該是跟中國都有關係但是台灣對於這種層出不窮的這種外交事件我覺得我們真的我國應該對外關係有一些難題一定有一些解方然後因為不能把這種外交工作表現不利全部都甩鍋給中國\n\n27\n00:10:15,717 --> 00:10:20,741\n尤其是斷交部長吳釗燮他自己養了共諜讓台灣失去那麼多邦交國到現在都在國安會都不敢來備詢面對責任我覺得這是不太負責任的態度但是我相信林部長你現在有你擔任外交部長我覺得肯定你是一個非常願意承擔責任的一個好部長所以我想中國打壓台灣這已經不是新聞了啦所以政府一定要對這個要面對要看要怎麼樣努力解決溝通那我們\n\n28\n00:10:46,118 --> 00:11:11,765\n來這樣把這個問題好好的解決那部長你說對嗎對因為中共在國際影響力越來越大那但是我們這賴總統上任來到下一年我們還是固守我們12個邦交國而且我們是固邦以外我們現在透過龍邦希望能夠擴展我們國際空間所以為什麼要做總和外交需要立法院的支持包括我們在經濟外交龍邦計畫上這個是台灣有很多人家想要跟我們合作的\n\n29\n00:11:12,225 --> 00:11:35,148\n那我們過去外交部歸外交部可能其他部歸其他部所以我們現在也召開雙部長會議行政院也有經濟外交工作小組我們就是整合我們跨部會的資源甚至民間的企業界那比如說我們過去強調援助可是現在強調投資那投資甚至也跟美國日本到第三國所以我們的新的外交的策略我們也會向國人報告我們在這個\n\n30\n00:11:36,409 --> 00:11:49,484\n等川普這個關稅這個政策比較明朗化之後那我今天也有在媒體啊也有總結就是說川普政府相對過去拜登政府我們賴總統從去年520這前後這個\n\n31\n00:11:54,629 --> 00:12:11,294\n對應是美國的兩任的政府所以我們在政策上現在已經慢慢的可以比較能夠去就是對應啦那怎麼樣能夠發揮台美合作在我們邦交國比如說Rubio國務卿他到了這個中美洲他跟瓜地馬拉的總統\n\n32\n00:12:12,074 --> 00:12:38,255\n在開記者會就有提到很肯定他跟台灣維持關係那也希望促進投資那我們現在跟美國我們有EPPD經濟繁榮夥伴的對話也有所謂的機會夥伴的投資考察團這些都是我們現在用新的方式希望結合理念相近跟利益比較一致的去\n\n33\n00:12:39,416 --> 00:12:58,488\n從故邦、榮邦甚至到拓邦有一些國家事實上對我們發展模式相對於中共的一帶一路那一種模式造成了很多債務危機事實上是很多問題是精英俘虜也就是說中國其實在很多國家其實他做兵符符合那些國家人民的意義而是少數的政治精英\n\n34\n00:12:59,409 --> 00:13:06,396\n跟他利益交換為什麼我們會那麼辛苦就是說中共進去之後我們就會很難了那我再請問一下就是自從民進黨蔡英文前總統上任到現在總共有十個國家已經跟我們斷交了而且身邊的共諜吳釗燮前部長六年內他斷交了八個國家然後最後跟我們斷交的是諾魯嘛是去年一月份嘛\n\n35\n00:13:23,712 --> 00:13:25,893\n所以剛才部長談到邦交國的問題說像我們現在這一次的梵蒂岡的前教宗方濟各的葬禮還有上週的新教宗的糧食逝世的就職那為什麼賴清德總統都沒有親自率團出席呢\n\n36\n00:13:40,822 --> 00:13:47,227\n是不是不願意呢那如果這樣的話我們跟其他的國家還有之前的我們的總統的做法是不是會讓教廷誤認為說我們不重視他這樣是不是會有失禮儀這樣對我們未來的外交還有這些邦交國會不會有影響啊\n\n37\n00:13:56,835 --> 00:14:00,756\n我們當然跟范帝剛是都溝通那最後是用這樣的方式在現階段由陳副總統擔任總統特使去那因為他對教廷也熟之外其實可以跟高層很多的溝通那他也有表達我們希望台范關係可以回到更正常的軌道\n\n38\n00:14:16,382 --> 00:14:43,359\n過去一些因素大家也了解在前教宗他任內有一些跟中國的包括他們的簽訂所謂主教任命臨時協議那個東西的影響我們現在怎麼樣能夠跟新教宗有新的可能性的空間那我們基於信任也就基於說我們從宗教進入對於包括這些天主教徒在台灣他們跟教廷的關係所以我們有綜合的考量我們不是沒有去推動\n\n39\n00:14:44,259 --> 00:14:56,015\n包括元首的這個...反正我知道因為部長真的我們沒有辦法能讓一個邦交國再跟我們國家斷交了所以我覺得外交部還是我們大家一起做這個努力好我們全力以赴謝謝林一駿\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n714\t2729\t謝謝主席 有請外交部 林佳榮部長\n14349\t34317\t部長好 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相信今天其實所有的委員都非常的在意就是有關前立委林昶佐將接任芬蘭代表的這個事情\n35077\t38978\t當然執政黨都是非常稱讚林昶佐說他過去長期待在外交國防委員會所以熟悉我國的國防的政策但外界仍然是有一些質疑但是林昶佐過去他有用一個焦慮症的理由沒有服兵役但是這個已經引發了一些爭議然後其實在醫學上焦慮跟憂鬱其實是兩種不同的類型的情緒上面的困擾\n61963\t70687\t但是這個常常會一起發生然後芬蘭有高居不下的自殺率在1990年的時候芬蘭是全球自殺率最高的國家而且北歐這些國家都是日照很短的國家其實這種病症是很容易發作的所以我在想說他真的適合去擔任芬蘭的代表嗎還是因為他是有綠色黨證的特定人士然後讓你們\n89235\t94417\t突然忽略他的健康的問題這樣會不會造成他的問題很慷慮啊其實這一點是我們非常擔心的因為你們千萬不要害他其實北歐這些國家根本在於他這種焦慮症憂鬱症的人是不太適合去那個地方的那我想如果是說外交部已經選任林昶佐要出任芬蘭大使的這個消息已經屬實了那你覺得\n114625\t138723\t還有一點就是外交人員可以接受嗎可以信任和甘心的服從嗎那請部長林長佐委員他的背景還有專業是屬於深任那至於說他的兵役或者他的病史我想我們就不待為回答這部分他應該有對社會會做說明那我們是從整體的佈局在北歐\n140004\t156421\t這個整個區域我們要發揮最大的總和外交的效應的話如果一個對於人權關心然後有音樂的專長然後能夠做文化外交我想對整個區域跟台灣的關係的提升我們是有所期待\n157442\t178270\t當然現在這個人事案是在作業中還沒有他需要由總統基於他的任命那總統府來公告那是因為委員關心那我想我自己也來自於民意代表我也知道在我的範圍內盡量跟大家說明至於說他個人的這個身體的情形這我比較不方便來代言\n180460\t199592\t因為我知道我是一個建議因為北歐國家真的不太適合有這種病症的人去當然人要健康的情況下才有辦法做好任何事情所以我在想說我還是提醒部長外交工作真的是推動非常的不容易一定要多方面的評估啊而且也還要為財適用才行\n203885\t210967\t接下來我再想請問一下WHA世界衛生大會的議題今天請問到今天WHA會議都已經開始了我們這次應該沒有收到邀請函是不是對沒有那部長那你覺得自從民進黨執政到現在已經八年了然後連WHA的觀察員這個身份都失去了但我們台灣的醫療在全世界其實都是前段班的新冠疫情的時候其實全球的防疫也是做得非常的好但是\n233995\t238400\t遲遲都沒有辦法叩關成功這樣是否表示我們的外交工作還是要有很大的努力空間那想請教部長一下就是WHA這是我們第九年嘛沒有收到這個邀請函但是我們總不可能一直都把這個責任推給中國的問題嘛否則我們台灣醫療再怎麼樣進步我們都沒有辦法\n255559\t261021\t進去世界衛生組織裡面所以有些訊息我們就沒有辦法跟世界接軌那我想要拜託部長你是不是要好好勸勸賴總統他自己也是醫生醫者人心千萬不要為了一己之心讓政治影響到全台灣人民的健康所以部長那你贊成本席的看法嗎還有說外交部有什麼想法想要爭取世界衛生組織還有你們未來你們是要怎麼樣突破這一個困境呢\n283493\t313073\t我們爭取參加世界衛生組織是基於基本人權普世價值以外其實也是對世界的貢獻所以我們沒有參加也是世界的損失但是我們基於對國人我們希望健康的促進或保障我們很多的方法在周邊的一些技術性的會議也是有一定的參與因為現在的情形是大家都了解\n313613\t340002\t涉及到中國他的這個壓力尤其是他用這個所謂的聯合國2758號決議那麼在這個問題上越多越來的國家表態是說明其實所謂2758號決議並沒有辦法排除台灣參加世界衛生組織這個在外交戰場是很重要甚至支持台灣的立場越來越多那至於說其他的方式我們怎麼去呈現這一個\n342163\t364845\t台灣沒有參加世界衛生組織是一個違反WHO的宗旨我們有很多的活動以外這一次比如透過智慧醫療數位的科技的解決方案包括AI這也是我們在APEC裡面其實都透過數位醫療在推展的那在WHO我們這次有包括像宏基智一廣達電腦他們\n368008\t382438\t我知道你們都有努力但是已經那麼多年來了我們總是要突破這個困境嘛那沒關係因為還有很多問題要問就是說現在我還是希望外交部還是要很努力啦我們還是希望能看到一個好的成果主席再給我兩分鐘謝謝\n384600\t397351\t然後接下來我想要繼續追蹤一下就是我們南非代表處的被迫遷離的問題今年3月的時候然後南非外交部也幫官網上面的台北聯絡代表處改成台北商務辦事處其實這個看到這個是真的是非常的難過啦\n400734\t404497\t因為台北雖然大部分是我國駐外代表處的名稱但是這是我們台灣為了加入國際組織不得已的妥協的方案但是如今我們現在連一個地方政府都不是了而是國際組織所以南非外交部擅自更改我們的住處的名稱地址刪除我國的駐外代表知道我們不願意遷離嘛就只好用這一個名義來達到目的其實這樣的行為已經是不是不禮貌了而是不尊重了而且讓我們\n428493\t443353\t感受到非常的受欺負那部長我們中華民國是國際組織嗎還有就連廖文哲大使的介紹都被刪除了這個是有損國格的事情那你們外交部竟然可以忍還可以吞下這個羞辱嗎所以我想說\n445276\t448198\t經過最近的外交部的評估我在覺得南非政府會不會是真的真心要強制驅離我們呢還是只是要用一個表態配合中國的演出然後演給中共看一下大內宣看的這樣的情況而已呢那你部長你覺得有什麼可以向我們說明的嗎有\n466243\t485751\t我們在南非社台灣的代表處這是基於我們兩國的協議啊任何的變更都需要經過諮商談判的過程所以我們除了抗議然後持續交涉我們也據理力爭至於在這個過程當中他片面的行為我們這個\n488553\t511550\t如果他要強迫我們搬離的時候,已經有這樣的行動我們會有反制,這個反制包括從各個方面他應該也都理解,可是為什麼他還是做了這些動作包括擅自改名,把一些資訊拿掉,矮化我們\n513114\t534768\t不然全世界都了解這是中國的壓力其實我覺得這種情況是越來越慘耶因為我記得我們上一次進行中也是有執行過你看他這樣做之後除了美國的政府、國會之外像南非現在要爭取美國在ACOIA就是非洲成長機會法案他可能就會有困難\n536029\t559117\t那麼另外就是說他國內也很多的不同聲音因為他的外交並沒有尊重執政聯盟所以執政聯盟你的政黨裡面公開的國會議員也表示反對的意見甚至有一些在野黨也拜訪台灣所以這些媒體大家都知道南非這樣做是站不住腳可是為什麼他還這樣做那我們就知道說背後有一些原因那為什麼只做到目前這個情況\n560177\t565079\t後來會不會再更重的這些行動我們當然都必須要密切觀察跟妥善因應因為今年是南非舉辦G20它跟中國之間的關係是非常密切那中國對它的影響力當然很大不過我們也並不是沒有辦法反制只是我們不希望兩敗俱傷的方式所以我們當然在現在這個情形我們還在管控中\n587648\t614417\t但一旦超過了一個範圍我們準備好的方案也會予以反制我還是要提醒一下就是我國駐南非使館的事情其實剛才部長也說應該是跟中國都有關係但是台灣對於這種層出不窮的這種外交事件我覺得我們真的我國應該對外關係有一些難題一定有一些解方然後因為不能把這種外交工作表現不利全部都甩鍋給中國\n615717\t620741\t尤其是斷交部長吳釗燮他自己養了共諜讓台灣失去那麼多邦交國到現在都在國安會都不敢來備詢面對責任我覺得這是不太負責任的態度但是我相信林部長你現在有你擔任外交部長我覺得肯定你是一個非常願意承擔責任的一個好部長所以我想中國打壓台灣這已經不是新聞了啦所以政府一定要對這個要面對要看要怎麼樣努力解決溝通那我們\n646118\t671765\t來這樣把這個問題好好的解決那部長你說對嗎對因為中共在國際影響力越來越大那但是我們這賴總統上任來到下一年我們還是固守我們12個邦交國而且我們是固邦以外我們現在透過龍邦希望能夠擴展我們國際空間所以為什麼要做總和外交需要立法院的支持包括我們在經濟外交龍邦計畫上這個是台灣有很多人家想要跟我們合作的\n672225\t695148\t那我們過去外交部歸外交部可能其他部歸其他部所以我們現在也召開雙部長會議行政院也有經濟外交工作小組我們就是整合我們跨部會的資源甚至民間的企業界那比如說我們過去強調援助可是現在強調投資那投資甚至也跟美國日本到第三國所以我們的新的外交的策略我們也會向國人報告我們在這個\n696409\t709484\t等川普這個關稅這個政策比較明朗化之後那我今天也有在媒體啊也有總結就是說川普政府相對過去拜登政府我們賴總統從去年520這前後這個\n714629\t731294\t對應是美國的兩任的政府所以我們在政策上現在已經慢慢的可以比較能夠去就是對應啦那怎麼樣能夠發揮台美合作在我們邦交國比如說Rubio國務卿他到了這個中美洲他跟瓜地馬拉的總統\n732074\t758255\t在開記者會就有提到很肯定他跟台灣維持關係那也希望促進投資那我們現在跟美國我們有EPPD經濟繁榮夥伴的對話也有所謂的機會夥伴的投資考察團這些都是我們現在用新的方式希望結合理念相近跟利益比較一致的去\n759416\t778488\t從故邦、榮邦甚至到拓邦有一些國家事實上對我們發展模式相對於中共的一帶一路那一種模式造成了很多債務危機事實上是很多問題是精英俘虜也就是說中國其實在很多國家其實他做兵符符合那些國家人民的意義而是少數的政治精英\n779409\t786396\t跟他利益交換為什麼我們會那麼辛苦就是說中共進去之後我們就會很難了那我再請問一下就是自從民進黨蔡英文前總統上任到現在總共有十個國家已經跟我們斷交了而且身邊的共諜吳釗燮前部長六年內他斷交了八個國家然後最後跟我們斷交的是諾魯嘛是去年一月份嘛\n803712\t805893\t所以剛才部長談到邦交國的問題說像我們現在這一次的梵蒂岡的前教宗方濟各的葬禮還有上週的新教宗的糧食逝世的就職那為什麼賴清德總統都沒有親自率團出席呢\n820822\t827227\t是不是不願意呢那如果這樣的話我們跟其他的國家還有之前的我們的總統的做法是不是會讓教廷誤認為說我們不重視他這樣是不是會有失禮儀這樣對我們未來的外交還有這些邦交國會不會有影響啊\n836835\t840756\t我們當然跟范帝剛是都溝通那最後是用這樣的方式在現階段由陳副總統擔任總統特使去那因為他對教廷也熟之外其實可以跟高層很多的溝通那他也有表達我們希望台范關係可以回到更正常的軌道\n856382\t883359\t過去一些因素大家也了解在前教宗他任內有一些跟中國的包括他們的簽訂所謂主教任命臨時協議那個東西的影響我們現在怎麼樣能夠跟新教宗有新的可能性的空間那我們基於信任也就基於說我們從宗教進入對於包括這些天主教徒在台灣他們跟教廷的關係所以我們有綜合的考量我們不是沒有去推動\n884259\t896015\t包括元首的這個...反正我知道因為部長真的我們沒有辦法能讓一個邦交國再跟我們國家斷交了所以我覺得外交部還是我們大家一起做這個努力好我們全力以赴謝謝林一駿\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請外交部 林佳榮部長\n部長好 最近外交部問題其實也蠻多的 等一下依照我有很多問題要問啦 我想請部長等一下簡短的重點的回答那部長 相信今天其實所有的委員都非常的在意就是有關前立委林昶佐將接任芬蘭代表的這個事情\n當然執政黨都是非常稱讚林昶佐說他過去長期待在外交國防委員會所以熟悉我國的國防的政策但外界仍然是有一些質疑但是林昶佐過去他有用一個焦慮症的理由沒有服兵役但是這個已經引發了一些爭議然後其實在醫學上焦慮跟憂鬱其實是兩種不同的類型的情緒上面的困擾\n但是這個常常會一起發生然後芬蘭有高居不下的自殺率在1990年的時候芬蘭是全球自殺率最高的國家而且北歐這些國家都是日照很短的國家其實這種病症是很容易發作的所以我在想說他真的適合去擔任芬蘭的代表嗎還是因為他是有綠色黨證的特定人士然後讓你們\n突然忽略他的健康的問題這樣會不會造成他的問題很慷慮啊其實這一點是我們非常擔心的因為你們千萬不要害他其實北歐這些國家根本在於他這種焦慮症憂鬱症的人是不太適合去那個地方的那我想如果是說外交部已經選任林昶佐要出任芬蘭大使的這個消息已經屬實了那你覺得\n還有一點就是外交人員可以接受嗎可以信任和甘心的服從嗎那請部長林長佐委員他的背景還有專業是屬於深任那至於說他的兵役或者他的病史我想我們就不待為回答這部分他應該有對社會會做說明那我們是從整體的佈局在北歐\n這個整個區域我們要發揮最大的總和外交的效應的話如果一個對於人權關心然後有音樂的專長然後能夠做文化外交我想對整個區域跟台灣的關係的提升我們是有所期待\n當然現在這個人事案是在作業中還沒有他需要由總統基於他的任命那總統府來公告那是因為委員關心那我想我自己也來自於民意代表我也知道在我的範圍內盡量跟大家說明至於說他個人的這個身體的情形這我比較不方便來代言\n因為我知道我是一個建議因為北歐國家真的不太適合有這種病症的人去當然人要健康的情況下才有辦法做好任何事情所以我在想說我還是提醒部長外交工作真的是推動非常的不容易一定要多方面的評估啊而且也還要為財適用才行\n接下來我再想請問一下WHA世界衛生大會的議題今天請問到今天WHA會議都已經開始了我們這次應該沒有收到邀請函是不是對沒有那部長那你覺得自從民進黨執政到現在已經八年了然後連WHA的觀察員這個身份都失去了但我們台灣的醫療在全世界其實都是前段班的新冠疫情的時候其實全球的防疫也是做得非常的好但是\n遲遲都沒有辦法叩關成功這樣是否表示我們的外交工作還是要有很大的努力空間那想請教部長一下就是WHA這是我們第九年嘛沒有收到這個邀請函但是我們總不可能一直都把這個責任推給中國的問題嘛否則我們台灣醫療再怎麼樣進步我們都沒有辦法\n進去世界衛生組織裡面所以有些訊息我們就沒有辦法跟世界接軌那我想要拜託部長你是不是要好好勸勸賴總統他自己也是醫生醫者人心千萬不要為了一己之心讓政治影響到全台灣人民的健康所以部長那你贊成本席的看法嗎還有說外交部有什麼想法想要爭取世界衛生組織還有你們未來你們是要怎麼樣突破這一個困境呢\n我們爭取參加世界衛生組織是基於基本人權普世價值以外其實也是對世界的貢獻所以我們沒有參加也是世界的損失但是我們基於對國人我們希望健康的促進或保障我們很多的方法在周邊的一些技術性的會議也是有一定的參與因為現在的情形是大家都了解\n涉及到中國他的這個壓力尤其是他用這個所謂的聯合國2758號決議那麼在這個問題上越多越來的國家表態是說明其實所謂2758號決議並沒有辦法排除台灣參加世界衛生組織這個在外交戰場是很重要甚至支持台灣的立場越來越多那至於說其他的方式我們怎麼去呈現這一個\n台灣沒有參加世界衛生組織是一個違反WHO的宗旨我們有很多的活動以外這一次比如透過智慧醫療數位的科技的解決方案包括AI這也是我們在APEC裡面其實都透過數位醫療在推展的那在WHO我們這次有包括像宏基智一廣達電腦他們\n我知道你們都有努力但是已經那麼多年來了我們總是要突破這個困境嘛那沒關係因為還有很多問題要問就是說現在我還是希望外交部還是要很努力啦我們還是希望能看到一個好的成果主席再給我兩分鐘謝謝\n然後接下來我想要繼續追蹤一下就是我們南非代表處的被迫遷離的問題今年3月的時候然後南非外交部也幫官網上面的台北聯絡代表處改成台北商務辦事處其實這個看到這個是真的是非常的難過啦\n因為台北雖然大部分是我國駐外代表處的名稱但是這是我們台灣為了加入國際組織不得已的妥協的方案但是如今我們現在連一個地方政府都不是了而是國際組織所以南非外交部擅自更改我們的住處的名稱地址刪除我國的駐外代表知道我們不願意遷離嘛就只好用這一個名義來達到目的其實這樣的行為已經是不是不禮貌了而是不尊重了而且讓我們\n感受到非常的受欺負那部長我們中華民國是國際組織嗎還有就連廖文哲大使的介紹都被刪除了這個是有損國格的事情那你們外交部竟然可以忍還可以吞下這個羞辱嗎所以我想說\n經過最近的外交部的評估我在覺得南非政府會不會是真的真心要強制驅離我們呢還是只是要用一個表態配合中國的演出然後演給中共看一下大內宣看的這樣的情況而已呢那你部長你覺得有什麼可以向我們說明的嗎有\n我們在南非社台灣的代表處這是基於我們兩國的協議啊任何的變更都需要經過諮商談判的過程所以我們除了抗議然後持續交涉我們也據理力爭至於在這個過程當中他片面的行為我們這個\n如果他要強迫我們搬離的時候,已經有這樣的行動我們會有反制,這個反制包括從各個方面他應該也都理解,可是為什麼他還是做了這些動作包括擅自改名,把一些資訊拿掉,矮化我們\n不然全世界都了解這是中國的壓力其實我覺得這種情況是越來越慘耶因為我記得我們上一次進行中也是有執行過你看他這樣做之後除了美國的政府、國會之外像南非現在要爭取美國在ACOIA就是非洲成長機會法案他可能就會有困難\n那麼另外就是說他國內也很多的不同聲音因為他的外交並沒有尊重執政聯盟所以執政聯盟你的政黨裡面公開的國會議員也表示反對的意見甚至有一些在野黨也拜訪台灣所以這些媒體大家都知道南非這樣做是站不住腳可是為什麼他還這樣做那我們就知道說背後有一些原因那為什麼只做到目前這個情況\n後來會不會再更重的這些行動我們當然都必須要密切觀察跟妥善因應因為今年是南非舉辦G20它跟中國之間的關係是非常密切那中國對它的影響力當然很大不過我們也並不是沒有辦法反制只是我們不希望兩敗俱傷的方式所以我們當然在現在這個情形我們還在管控中\n但一旦超過了一個範圍我們準備好的方案也會予以反制我還是要提醒一下就是我國駐南非使館的事情其實剛才部長也說應該是跟中國都有關係但是台灣對於這種層出不窮的這種外交事件我覺得我們真的我國應該對外關係有一些難題一定有一些解方然後因為不能把這種外交工作表現不利全部都甩鍋給中國\n尤其是斷交部長吳釗燮他自己養了共諜讓台灣失去那麼多邦交國到現在都在國安會都不敢來備詢面對責任我覺得這是不太負責任的態度但是我相信林部長你現在有你擔任外交部長我覺得肯定你是一個非常願意承擔責任的一個好部長所以我想中國打壓台灣這已經不是新聞了啦所以政府一定要對這個要面對要看要怎麼樣努力解決溝通那我們\n來這樣把這個問題好好的解決那部長你說對嗎對因為中共在國際影響力越來越大那但是我們這賴總統上任來到下一年我們還是固守我們12個邦交國而且我們是固邦以外我們現在透過龍邦希望能夠擴展我們國際空間所以為什麼要做總和外交需要立法院的支持包括我們在經濟外交龍邦計畫上這個是台灣有很多人家想要跟我們合作的\n那我們過去外交部歸外交部可能其他部歸其他部所以我們現在也召開雙部長會議行政院也有經濟外交工作小組我們就是整合我們跨部會的資源甚至民間的企業界那比如說我們過去強調援助可是現在強調投資那投資甚至也跟美國日本到第三國所以我們的新的外交的策略我們也會向國人報告我們在這個\n等川普這個關稅這個政策比較明朗化之後那我今天也有在媒體啊也有總結就是說川普政府相對過去拜登政府我們賴總統從去年520這前後這個\n對應是美國的兩任的政府所以我們在政策上現在已經慢慢的可以比較能夠去就是對應啦那怎麼樣能夠發揮台美合作在我們邦交國比如說Rubio國務卿他到了這個中美洲他跟瓜地馬拉的總統\n在開記者會就有提到很肯定他跟台灣維持關係那也希望促進投資那我們現在跟美國我們有EPPD經濟繁榮夥伴的對話也有所謂的機會夥伴的投資考察團這些都是我們現在用新的方式希望結合理念相近跟利益比較一致的去\n從故邦、榮邦甚至到拓邦有一些國家事實上對我們發展模式相對於中共的一帶一路那一種模式造成了很多債務危機事實上是很多問題是精英俘虜也就是說中國其實在很多國家其實他做兵符符合那些國家人民的意義而是少數的政治精英\n跟他利益交換為什麼我們會那麼辛苦就是說中共進去之後我們就會很難了那我再請問一下就是自從民進黨蔡英文前總統上任到現在總共有十個國家已經跟我們斷交了而且身邊的共諜吳釗燮前部長六年內他斷交了八個國家然後最後跟我們斷交的是諾魯嘛是去年一月份嘛\n所以剛才部長談到邦交國的問題說像我們現在這一次的梵蒂岡的前教宗方濟各的葬禮還有上週的新教宗的糧食逝世的就職那為什麼賴清德總統都沒有親自率團出席呢\n是不是不願意呢那如果這樣的話我們跟其他的國家還有之前的我們的總統的做法是不是會讓教廷誤認為說我們不重視他這樣是不是會有失禮儀這樣對我們未來的外交還有這些邦交國會不會有影響啊\n我們當然跟范帝剛是都溝通那最後是用這樣的方式在現階段由陳副總統擔任總統特使去那因為他對教廷也熟之外其實可以跟高層很多的溝通那他也有表達我們希望台范關係可以回到更正常的軌道\n過去一些因素大家也了解在前教宗他任內有一些跟中國的包括他們的簽訂所謂主教任命臨時協議那個東西的影響我們現在怎麼樣能夠跟新教宗有新的可能性的空間那我們基於信任也就基於說我們從宗教進入對於包括這些天主教徒在台灣他們跟教廷的關係所以我們有綜合的考量我們不是沒有去推動\n包括元首的這個...反正我知道因為部長真的我們沒有辦法能讓一個邦交國再跟我們國家斷交了所以我覺得外交部還是我們大家一起做這個努力好我們全力以赴謝謝林一駿\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.714 --> 00:02.729\n謝謝主席有請外交部林佳榮部長\n\n00:14.349 --> 00:34.317\n部長好最近外交部問題其實也蠻多的等一下依照我有很多問題要問啦我想請部長等一下簡短的重點的回答那部長相信今天其實所有的委員都非常的在意就是有關前立委林昶佐將接任芬蘭代表的這個事情\n\n00:35.077 --> 00:38.978\n當然執政黨都是非常稱讚林昶佐說他過去長期待在外交國防委員會所以熟悉我國的國防的政策但外界仍然是有一些質疑但是林昶佐過去他有用一個焦慮症的理由沒有服兵役但是這個已經引發了一些爭議然後其實在醫學上焦慮跟憂鬱其實是兩種不同的類型的情緒上面的困擾\n\n01:01.963 --> 01:10.687\n但是這個常常會一起發生然後芬蘭有高居不下的自殺率在1990年的時候芬蘭是全球自殺率最高的國家而且北歐這些國家都是日照很短的國家其實這種病症是很容易發作的所以我在想說他真的適合去擔任芬蘭的代表嗎還是因為他是有綠色黨證的特定人士然後讓你們\n\n01:29.235 --> 01:34.417\n突然忽略他的健康的問題這樣會不會造成他的問題很慷慮啊其實這一點是我們非常擔心的因為你們千萬不要害他其實北歐這些國家根本在於他這種焦慮症憂鬱症的人是不太適合去那個地方的那我想如果是說外交部已經選任林昶佐要出任芬蘭大使的這個消息已經屬實了那你覺得\n\n01:54.625 --> 02:18.723\n還有一點就是外交人員可以接受嗎可以信任和甘心的服從嗎那請部長林長佐委員他的背景還有專業是屬於深任那至於說他的兵役或者他的病史我想我們就不待為回答這部分他應該有對社會會做說明那我們是從整體的佈局在北歐\n\n02:20.004 --> 02:36.421\n這個整個區域我們要發揮最大的總和外交的效應的話如果一個對於人權關心然後有音樂的專長然後能夠做文化外交我想對整個區域跟台灣的關係的提升我們是有所期待\n\n02:37.442 --> 02:58.270\n當然現在這個人事案是在作業中還沒有他需要由總統基於他的任命那總統府來公告那是因為委員關心那我想我自己也來自於民意代表我也知道在我的範圍內盡量跟大家說明至於說他個人的這個身體的情形這我比較不方便來代言\n\n03:00.460 --> 03:19.592\n因為我知道我是一個建議因為北歐國家真的不太適合有這種病症的人去當然人要健康的情況下才有辦法做好任何事情所以我在想說我還是提醒部長外交工作真的是推動非常的不容易一定要多方面的評估啊而且也還要為財適用才行\n\n03:23.885 --> 03:30.967\n接下來我再想請問一下WHA世界衛生大會的議題今天請問到今天WHA會議都已經開始了我們這次應該沒有收到邀請函是不是對沒有那部長那你覺得自從民進黨執政到現在已經八年了然後連WHA的觀察員這個身份都失去了但我們台灣的醫療在全世界其實都是前段班的新冠疫情的時候其實全球的防疫也是做得非常的好但是\n\n03:53.995 --> 03:58.400\n遲遲都沒有辦法叩關成功這樣是否表示我們的外交工作還是要有很大的努力空間那想請教部長一下就是WHA這是我們第九年嘛沒有收到這個邀請函但是我們總不可能一直都把這個責任推給中國的問題嘛否則我們台灣醫療再怎麼樣進步我們都沒有辦法\n\n04:15.559 --> 04:21.021\n進去世界衛生組織裡面所以有些訊息我們就沒有辦法跟世界接軌那我想要拜託部長你是不是要好好勸勸賴總統他自己也是醫生醫者人心千萬不要為了一己之心讓政治影響到全台灣人民的健康所以部長那你贊成本席的看法嗎還有說外交部有什麼想法想要爭取世界衛生組織還有你們未來你們是要怎麼樣突破這一個困境呢\n\n04:43.493 --> 05:13.073\n我們爭取參加世界衛生組織是基於基本人權普世價值以外其實也是對世界的貢獻所以我們沒有參加也是世界的損失但是我們基於對國人我們希望健康的促進或保障我們很多的方法在周邊的一些技術性的會議也是有一定的參與因為現在的情形是大家都了解\n\n05:13.613 --> 05:40.002\n涉及到中國他的這個壓力尤其是他用這個所謂的聯合國2758號決議那麼在這個問題上越多越來的國家表態是說明其實所謂2758號決議並沒有辦法排除台灣參加世界衛生組織這個在外交戰場是很重要甚至支持台灣的立場越來越多那至於說其他的方式我們怎麼去呈現這一個\n\n05:42.163 --> 06:04.845\n台灣沒有參加世界衛生組織是一個違反WHO的宗旨我們有很多的活動以外這一次比如透過智慧醫療數位的科技的解決方案包括AI這也是我們在APEC裡面其實都透過數位醫療在推展的那在WHO我們這次有包括像宏基智一廣達電腦他們\n\n06:08.008 --> 06:22.438\n我知道你們都有努力但是已經那麼多年來了我們總是要突破這個困境嘛那沒關係因為還有很多問題要問就是說現在我還是希望外交部還是要很努力啦我們還是希望能看到一個好的成果主席再給我兩分鐘謝謝\n\n06:24.600 --> 06:37.351\n然後接下來我想要繼續追蹤一下就是我們南非代表處的被迫遷離的問題今年3月的時候然後南非外交部也幫官網上面的台北聯絡代表處改成台北商務辦事處其實這個看到這個是真的是非常的難過啦\n\n06:40.734 --> 06:44.497\n因為台北雖然大部分是我國駐外代表處的名稱但是這是我們台灣為了加入國際組織不得已的妥協的方案但是如今我們現在連一個地方政府都不是了而是國際組織所以南非外交部擅自更改我們的住處的名稱地址刪除我國的駐外代表知道我們不願意遷離嘛就只好用這一個名義來達到目的其實這樣的行為已經是不是不禮貌了而是不尊重了而且讓我們\n\n07:08.493 --> 07:23.353\n感受到非常的受欺負那部長我們中華民國是國際組織嗎還有就連廖文哲大使的介紹都被刪除了這個是有損國格的事情那你們外交部竟然可以忍還可以吞下這個羞辱嗎所以我想說\n\n07:25.276 --> 07:28.198\n經過最近的外交部的評估我在覺得南非政府會不會是真的真心要強制驅離我們呢還是只是要用一個表態配合中國的演出然後演給中共看一下大內宣看的這樣的情況而已呢那你部長你覺得有什麼可以向我們說明的嗎有\n\n07:46.243 --> 08:05.751\n我們在南非社台灣的代表處這是基於我們兩國的協議啊任何的變更都需要經過諮商談判的過程所以我們除了抗議然後持續交涉我們也據理力爭至於在這個過程當中他片面的行為我們這個\n\n08:08.553 --> 08:31.550\n如果他要強迫我們搬離的時候,已經有這樣的行動我們會有反制,這個反制包括從各個方面他應該也都理解,可是為什麼他還是做了這些動作包括擅自改名,把一些資訊拿掉,矮化我們\n\n08:33.114 --> 08:54.768\n不然全世界都了解這是中國的壓力其實我覺得這種情況是越來越慘耶因為我記得我們上一次進行中也是有執行過你看他這樣做之後除了美國的政府、國會之外像南非現在要爭取美國在ACOIA就是非洲成長機會法案他可能就會有困難\n\n08:56.029 --> 09:19.117\n那麼另外就是說他國內也很多的不同聲音因為他的外交並沒有尊重執政聯盟所以執政聯盟你的政黨裡面公開的國會議員也表示反對的意見甚至有一些在野黨也拜訪台灣所以這些媒體大家都知道南非這樣做是站不住腳可是為什麼他還這樣做那我們就知道說背後有一些原因那為什麼只做到目前這個情況\n\n09:20.177 --> 09:25.079\n後來會不會再更重的這些行動我們當然都必須要密切觀察跟妥善因應因為今年是南非舉辦G20它跟中國之間的關係是非常密切那中國對它的影響力當然很大不過我們也並不是沒有辦法反制只是我們不希望兩敗俱傷的方式所以我們當然在現在這個情形我們還在管控中\n\n09:47.648 --> 10:14.417\n但一旦超過了一個範圍我們準備好的方案也會予以反制我還是要提醒一下就是我國駐南非使館的事情其實剛才部長也說應該是跟中國都有關係但是台灣對於這種層出不窮的這種外交事件我覺得我們真的我國應該對外關係有一些難題一定有一些解方然後因為不能把這種外交工作表現不利全部都甩鍋給中國\n\n10:15.717 --> 10:20.741\n尤其是斷交部長吳釗燮他自己養了共諜讓台灣失去那麼多邦交國到現在都在國安會都不敢來備詢面對責任我覺得這是不太負責任的態度但是我相信林部長你現在有你擔任外交部長我覺得肯定你是一個非常願意承擔責任的一個好部長所以我想中國打壓台灣這已經不是新聞了啦所以政府一定要對這個要面對要看要怎麼樣努力解決溝通那我們\n\n10:46.118 --> 11:11.765\n來這樣把這個問題好好的解決那部長你說對嗎對因為中共在國際影響力越來越大那但是我們這賴總統上任來到下一年我們還是固守我們12個邦交國而且我們是固邦以外我們現在透過龍邦希望能夠擴展我們國際空間所以為什麼要做總和外交需要立法院的支持包括我們在經濟外交龍邦計畫上這個是台灣有很多人家想要跟我們合作的\n\n11:12.225 --> 11:35.148\n那我們過去外交部歸外交部可能其他部歸其他部所以我們現在也召開雙部長會議行政院也有經濟外交工作小組我們就是整合我們跨部會的資源甚至民間的企業界那比如說我們過去強調援助可是現在強調投資那投資甚至也跟美國日本到第三國所以我們的新的外交的策略我們也會向國人報告我們在這個\n\n11:36.409 --> 11:49.484\n等川普這個關稅這個政策比較明朗化之後那我今天也有在媒體啊也有總結就是說川普政府相對過去拜登政府我們賴總統從去年520這前後這個\n\n11:54.629 --> 12:11.294\n對應是美國的兩任的政府所以我們在政策上現在已經慢慢的可以比較能夠去就是對應啦那怎麼樣能夠發揮台美合作在我們邦交國比如說Rubio國務卿他到了這個中美洲他跟瓜地馬拉的總統\n\n12:12.074 --> 12:38.255\n在開記者會就有提到很肯定他跟台灣維持關係那也希望促進投資那我們現在跟美國我們有EPPD經濟繁榮夥伴的對話也有所謂的機會夥伴的投資考察團這些都是我們現在用新的方式希望結合理念相近跟利益比較一致的去\n\n12:39.416 --> 12:58.488\n從故邦、榮邦甚至到拓邦有一些國家事實上對我們發展模式相對於中共的一帶一路那一種模式造成了很多債務危機事實上是很多問題是精英俘虜也就是說中國其實在很多國家其實他做兵符符合那些國家人民的意義而是少數的政治精英\n\n12:59.409 --> 13:06.396\n跟他利益交換為什麼我們會那麼辛苦就是說中共進去之後我們就會很難了那我再請問一下就是自從民進黨蔡英文前總統上任到現在總共有十個國家已經跟我們斷交了而且身邊的共諜吳釗燮前部長六年內他斷交了八個國家然後最後跟我們斷交的是諾魯嘛是去年一月份嘛\n\n13:23.712 --> 13:25.893\n所以剛才部長談到邦交國的問題說像我們現在這一次的梵蒂岡的前教宗方濟各的葬禮還有上週的新教宗的糧食逝世的就職那為什麼賴清德總統都沒有親自率團出席呢\n\n13:40.822 --> 13:47.227\n是不是不願意呢那如果這樣的話我們跟其他的國家還有之前的我們的總統的做法是不是會讓教廷誤認為說我們不重視他這樣是不是會有失禮儀這樣對我們未來的外交還有這些邦交國會不會有影響啊\n\n13:56.835 --> 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