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00:01:04,144\n我們有這個科學數據齁但是到底如何落實嗎因為現場我們一定是看到就抓來看到就抓來嘛我們如何去做到落實這個真的可以達到3比7這件事情我想第一個就是說基本上從科學證據來講就是說你母犬絕育效果會比較好可是我實際在抓的時候我不可能說\n\n4\n00:01:05,265 --> 00:01:31,021\n抓三隻公的抓七隻母的不可能就是有直接的處理但是有一個重點就是說我們如果完全不處理大概五年會翻倍所以我的問題是說你要如何去因為我們一定是抓到不可能說只有抓到母的我才處理對不對你一定就是抓來就處理那你事實上你如何去達到這個比例3比7呢你會怎麼做呢\n\n5\n00:01:31,661 --> 00:01:53,358\n或是你市會會再做什麼事情去確認你這樣子的抓法我想過往我們缺乏一個資料就是絕育以後到底是公選母選並沒有做有效的調查所以我們後續特別是請動保師這邊再處理就是未來的絕育一定要去把基礎資料先建立起來看看我們抓的部分到底是什麼樣的一個比例\n\n6\n00:01:54,239 --> 00:02:08,158\n然後未來的回遲或者是在收容在認養的部分後續也可以針對這樣的一個比例去做一個相關的處理我想確定一下所以說我們現在沒有資料對不對我們現在是不知道的所以我們現在要建立基礎資料大概要花多久的時間呢\n\n7\n00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:31,215\n我們現在就陸續做,我們現在應該就可以要求地方政府做記錄我想東寶寺回應就是說可能在立即我們就會叫地方政府針對現在第一個收容所裡面的已經收容所裡面的公母的比例然後未來抓的部分有一個平台可以去登錄然後開始就是開始去執行這樣的一個情況\n\n8\n00:02:31,715 --> 00:02:58,287\n好那我想因為這個詳細的規劃我今天很時間不夠那是不是可以請一個月以內提到我辦公室讓我知道具體的時程以及你們會如何的去做這件事情好不好那再來就是說我們目前的一個生態樂區的計畫我們其實是包括在遊蕩犬的管理經濟措施計畫當中那目前我收到的回覆是說我們沒有要針對生態樂區推動一個法制化的規劃\n\n9\n00:02:59,227 --> 00:03:19,972\n但是我今天還是希望來爭取他成為一個法治化因為接下來才化法的一個衝擊不知道會不會影響到這個專案那如果我們沒有把法治化的話地方政府可能就不會覺得這件事情他必須要來做這是第一個第二個就是說現在呢樂區並不是一個法治一個\n\n10\n00:03:20,612 --> 00:03:46,905\n法律名詞啦現在我們在這地方執行的就是說我們抓的處罰只能是依反依據這個廢清法第27條就是它有沒有造成區域的髒亂等等可是事實上呢它如果今天是乾淨餵食你是不是就不能抓可是我們今天講的就是生態樂區禁止餵食嘛所以我還是希望來爭取部長的支持我們是不是可以把它法治化呢\n\n11\n00:03:48,179 --> 00:04:09,558\n我跟他們討論過就是生態熱區它本身是根據過往的這些抓捕的這些數量調查的數量它不像說自然保衛區有一個很明確的範圍所以如果把生態熱區能夠做一些界定的時候就有機會入法啦但是他們這個部分現在他們還在討論但是我有一個要求就是\n\n12\n00:04:10,419 --> 00:04:34,213\n為了這些流浪犬還有一些這些跟食物特定樂區的所有的農菜計劃因為農菜計劃是我們很扎根的很多社區的計劃我都要求加一個共同項目做動物的保護過去是沒有的動物的保護這個可能要界定清楚欸對包括這些流浪犬本身的一些\n\n13\n00:04:36,155 --> 00:04:56,348\n但是游蕩犬現在就是在生態樂區跟野生動物有一些相關的衝突所以這個動物保護到底指的是什麼動物游蕩犬本身就是有一些在社區裡面過往的社區完全不處理這個我現在是每一個農宅計畫都變了一個共通的項目你要在那裡面去做所謂的\n\n14\n00:04:57,549 --> 00:05:17,778\n我們講細的就是有蕩犬本身的這些包括你的餵養的部分的一個茶葉不正常餵養的部分你都要去處理還有家犬的這些輸種的部分我們都要去處理這樣的話透過農在社區比較基本面去處理的時候應該可以cover一些主要我們認定的生態樂區\n\n15\n00:05:19,281 --> 00:05:45,416\n但是我覺得這點還有一個很大的問題耶就是說我們今天生態熱區禁止餵食這件事情禁止餵食現在是沒有辦法沒有法沒有法可以去處罰嘛對不對你剛剛講的就是說我怎麼去控制這個數量可是它餵食還是沒有沒有任何的刑罰這個部分的話如果要把它法制化的困難到底是什麼就剛剛講的是界定嘛對不對還是說這個署長要來說明一下嗎還是有辦法說明\n\n16\n00:05:49,343 --> 00:06:07,411\n好跟委員報告所謂的生態熱區我們就以食物跟草消來講絕大部分應該都是私有土地那甚至可能是農地所以你如果說要去特別框線它會像一個類保護區一樣我想這在食物上是有困難的對因為地主什麼都會有很大的疑慮\n\n17\n00:06:08,511 --> 00:06:22,500\n對那我們如何可能還是從剛剛部長所講的包含從社區或是包含從現有的這個遊蕩犬貓的這個管制的這個計畫還有包含加強限制餵食這方面應該會更快速一點對\n\n18\n00:06:24,518 --> 00:06:39,330\n我們剛才委員特別提到就是說禁止餵食其實我們曾經想要把它納入法裡面去但是很多所謂的也是動保團體他們覺得說這些流浪犬就是有些人覺得說你不餵他他就會餓死\n\n19\n00:06:41,111 --> 00:07:00,743\n所以也強力的反對我們把禁止餵食很強制的拿掉所以這個部分我想還是必須持續去做溝通不過我想透過農在社區去做巡視把這些最主要的餵食點去做有效的宣導那可能比較容易達成那我們會有一些相關的KPI嗎\n\n20\n00:07:02,944 --> 00:07:17,713\n是就是針對於說因為我們希望可以去減少他們餵食嗎我們有一些相關的KPI去制定不然我們怎麼知道我們做的這個計畫到底有沒有成效我想這個部分我應該是只有在上個禮拜上禮拜我\n\n21\n00:07:18,453 --> 00:07:38,083\n也是委員會動保法執行的時候回去我討論就是龍寨社區裡面就會列KPI就是每個社區根據他的範圍然後針對那裡面的犬隻他也要協助做調查那針對這個飼主的責任還有一些不當的餵養我們都會有一些一些調查基礎數據調查以後就會有後面的KPI出來\n\n22\n00:07:38,743 --> 00:08:06,891\n好那我最後再強調一點就是說因為其實我們一直在強調就是說今天其實大家都知道嘛遊蕩犬的數量非常非常非常之多那我今天是來不及問有關於收容空間的問題但是我覺得還是要強調一點就是我們從源頭管理嘛一直不停的因為農業部其實也一直不停的講源頭管理是主責任但我知道在三月的時候呢農業部已經把相關過去只要你餵養我們可能就會到時候這個出事了嘛對不對這遊蕩犬如果攻擊人造成人\n\n23\n00:08:07,851 --> 00:08:32,327\n或是農作物的一些損傷的時候法院的判例其實是會去追究這個餵養者的責任我們已經把這些判例整理起來提供給地方政府了但是我認為今天我們如果要強調四組責任農業部應該要做出更多的宣傳讓大家知道這件事情而不是只有交給地方政府去做可能很消極的溝通\n\n24\n00:08:33,488 --> 00:08:52,648\n這個部分農業部可不可以做呢我想可以我們在農糧類的話經常開說明會嘛那動保師人力雖然比較少但是我會要求包括我們的試驗單位也共同來做這樣的宣導這樣的話才有它的效果我想我們是不是因為農業部的小編的社群是不是也可以成為一個溝通的平台\n\n25\n00:08:53,108 --> 00:09:16,718\n我們應該要用所有的平台來溝通這件事情吧總不能說這個未養者未餵他也不知道他這樣其實在法律上面會負責任但他也很無辜嘛對不對所以我覺得我們應該要做到這件事情所以大概什麼時候我們可以提供給我一個詳細的宣傳計畫我們同樣六月底好不好因為六月底我們有很多包括我們的四組那個寄養的那些契約有沒有都會出來\n\n26\n00:09:17,358 --> 00:09:28,329\n那宣傳的一個溝通的計畫是不是可以先提供給我呢?大概你們會在哪些地方做這些溝通?5月底之前可以嗎?好不好?那你6月底再上架嗎?應該可以,5月底可以好,謝謝好,謝謝張雅玲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6752\t7335\t好 我們有請部長 謝謝請部長\n15772\t40910\t大家好相信部長也知道我要問什麼主要是野保的問題就是說目前我們在114年的遊蕩犬的管理進進措施計畫有看到就是說農業部有提供國際文獻支持就是說希望今年我們可以依循這個國際的文獻來落實我們3比7的公母犬的一個結紮比例那我想問一下就是說\n42091\t64144\t我們有這個科學數據齁但是到底如何落實嗎因為現場我們一定是看到就抓來看到就抓來嘛我們如何去做到落實這個真的可以達到3比7這件事情我想第一個就是說基本上從科學證據來講就是說你母犬絕育效果會比較好可是我實際在抓的時候我不可能說\n65265\t91021\t抓三隻公的抓七隻母的不可能就是有直接的處理但是有一個重點就是說我們如果完全不處理大概五年會翻倍所以我的問題是說你要如何去因為我們一定是抓到不可能說只有抓到母的我才處理對不對你一定就是抓來就處理那你事實上你如何去達到這個比例3比7呢你會怎麼做呢\n91661\t113358\t或是你市會會再做什麼事情去確認你這樣子的抓法我想過往我們缺乏一個資料就是絕育以後到底是公選母選並沒有做有效的調查所以我們後續特別是請動保師這邊再處理就是未來的絕育一定要去把基礎資料先建立起來看看我們抓的部分到底是什麼樣的一個比例\n114239\t128158\t然後未來的回遲或者是在收容在認養的部分後續也可以針對這樣的一個比例去做一個相關的處理我想確定一下所以說我們現在沒有資料對不對我們現在是不知道的所以我們現在要建立基礎資料大概要花多久的時間呢\n129680\t151215\t我們現在就陸續做,我們現在應該就可以要求地方政府做記錄我想東寶寺回應就是說可能在立即我們就會叫地方政府針對現在第一個收容所裡面的已經收容所裡面的公母的比例然後未來抓的部分有一個平台可以去登錄然後開始就是開始去執行這樣的一個情況\n151715\t178287\t好 那我想因為這個詳細的規劃我今天很時間不夠那是不是可以請一個月以內提到我辦公室讓我知道具體的時程以及你們會如何的去做這件事情好不好那再來就是說我們目前的一個生態樂區的計畫我們其實是包括在遊蕩犬的管理經濟措施計畫當中那目前我收到的回覆是說我們沒有要針對生態樂區推動一個法制化的規劃\n179227\t199972\t但是我今天還是希望來爭取他成為一個法治化因為接下來才化法的一個衝擊不知道會不會影響到這個專案那如果我們沒有把法治化的話地方政府可能就不會覺得這件事情他必須要來做這是第一個第二個就是說現在呢樂區並不是一個法治一個\n200612\t226905\t法律名詞啦 現在我們在這地方執行的就是說我們抓的處罰只能是依反依據這個廢清法第27條就是它有沒有造成區域的髒亂等等可是事實上呢 它如果今天是乾淨餵食你是不是就不能抓可是我們今天講的就是生態樂區禁止餵食嘛所以我還是希望來爭取部長的支持我們是不是可以把它法治化呢\n228179\t249558\t我跟他們討論過就是生態熱區它本身是根據過往的這些抓捕的這些數量調查的數量它不像說自然保衛區有一個很明確的範圍所以如果把生態熱區能夠做一些界定的時候就有機會入法啦但是他們這個部分現在他們還在討論但是我有一個要求就是\n250419\t274213\t為了這些流浪犬還有一些這些跟食物特定樂區的所有的農菜計劃因為農菜計劃是我們很扎根的很多社區的計劃我都要求加一個共同項目做動物的保護過去是沒有的動物的保護這個可能要界定清楚欸對 包括這些流浪犬本身的一些\n276155\t296348\t但是游蕩犬現在就是在生態樂區跟野生動物有一些相關的衝突所以這個動物保護到底指的是什麼動物游蕩犬本身就是有一些在社區裡面過往的社區完全不處理這個我現在是每一個農宅計畫都變了一個共通的項目你要在那裡面去做所謂的\n297549\t317778\t我們講細的就是有蕩犬本身的這些包括你的餵養的部分的一個茶葉不正常餵養的部分你都要去處理還有家犬的這些輸種的部分我們都要去處理這樣的話透過農在社區比較基本面去處理的時候應該可以cover一些主要我們認定的生態樂區\n319281\t345416\t但是我覺得這點還有一個很大的問題耶就是說我們今天生態熱區禁止餵食這件事情禁止餵食現在是沒有辦法沒有法沒有法可以去處罰嘛對不對你剛剛講的就是說我怎麼去控制這個數量可是它餵食還是沒有沒有任何的刑罰這個部分的話如果要把它法制化的困難到底是什麼就剛剛講的是界定嘛對不對還是說這個署長要來說明一下嗎還是有辦法說明\n349343\t367411\t好 跟委員報告 所謂的生態熱區我們就以食物跟草消來講絕大部分應該都是私有土地那甚至可能是農地所以你如果說要去特別框線它會像一個類保護區一樣我想這在食物上是有困難的對因為地主什麼都會有很大的疑慮\n368511\t382500\t對 那我們如何可能還是從剛剛部長所講的包含從社區或是包含從現有的這個遊蕩犬貓的這個管制的這個計畫還有包含加強限制餵食這方面應該會更快速一點 對\n384518\t399330\t我們剛才委員特別提到就是說禁止餵食其實我們曾經想要把它納入法裡面去但是很多所謂的也是動保團體他們覺得說這些流浪犬就是有些人覺得說你不餵他他就會餓死\n401111\t420743\t所以也強力的反對我們把禁止餵食很強制的拿掉所以這個部分我想還是必須持續去做溝通不過我想透過農在社區去做巡視把這些最主要的餵食點去做有效的宣導那可能比較容易達成那我們會有一些相關的KPI嗎\n422944\t437713\t是就是針對於說因為我們希望可以去減少他們餵食嗎我們有一些相關的KPI去制定不然我們怎麼知道我們做的這個計畫到底有沒有成效我想這個部分我應該是只有在上個禮拜上禮拜我\n438453\t458083\t也是委員會動保法執行的時候回去我討論就是龍寨社區裡面就會列KPI就是每個社區根據他的範圍然後針對那裡面的犬隻他也要協助做調查那針對這個飼主的責任還有一些不當的餵養我們都會有一些一些調查基礎數據調查以後就會有後面的KPI出來\n458743\t486891\t好那我最後再強調一點就是說因為其實我們一直在強調就是說今天其實大家都知道嘛遊蕩犬的數量非常非常非常之多那我今天是來不及問有關於收容空間的問題但是我覺得還是要強調一點就是我們從源頭管理嘛一直不停的因為農業部其實也一直不停的講源頭管理是主責任但我知道在三月的時候呢農業部已經把相關過去只要你餵養我們可能就會到時候這個出事了嘛對不對這遊蕩犬如果攻擊人造成人\n487851\t512327\t或是農作物的一些損傷的時候法院的判例其實是會去追究這個餵養者的責任我們已經把這些判例整理起來提供給地方政府了但是我認為今天我們如果要強調四組責任農業部應該要做出更多的宣傳讓大家知道這件事情而不是只有交給地方政府去做可能很消極的溝通\n513488\t532648\t這個部分農業部可不可以做呢我想可以我們在農糧類的話經常開說明會嘛那動保師人力雖然比較少但是我會要求包括我們的試驗單位也共同來做這樣的宣導這樣的話才有它的效果我想我們是不是因為農業部的小編的社群是不是也可以成為一個溝通的平台\n533108\t556718\t我們應該要用所有的平台來溝通這件事情吧總不能說這個未養者未餵他也不知道他這樣其實在法律上面會負責任但他也很無辜嘛對不對所以我覺得我們應該要做到這件事情所以大概什麼時候我們可以提供給我一個詳細的宣傳計畫我們同樣六月底好不好因為六月底我們有很多包括我們的四組那個寄養的那些契約有沒有都會出來\n557358\t568329\t那宣傳的一個溝通的計畫是不是可以先提供給我呢?大概你們會在哪些地方做這些溝通?5月底之前可以嗎?好不好?那你6月底再上架嗎?應該可以,5月底可以好,謝謝好,謝謝張雅玲委員\n","txt":"好 我們有請部長 謝謝請部長\n大家好相信部長也知道我要問什麼主要是野保的問題就是說目前我們在114年的遊蕩犬的管理進進措施計畫有看到就是說農業部有提供國際文獻支持就是說希望今年我們可以依循這個國際的文獻來落實我們3比7的公母犬的一個結紮比例那我想問一下就是說\n我們有這個科學數據齁但是到底如何落實嗎因為現場我們一定是看到就抓來看到就抓來嘛我們如何去做到落實這個真的可以達到3比7這件事情我想第一個就是說基本上從科學證據來講就是說你母犬絕育效果會比較好可是我實際在抓的時候我不可能說\n抓三隻公的抓七隻母的不可能就是有直接的處理但是有一個重點就是說我們如果完全不處理大概五年會翻倍所以我的問題是說你要如何去因為我們一定是抓到不可能說只有抓到母的我才處理對不對你一定就是抓來就處理那你事實上你如何去達到這個比例3比7呢你會怎麼做呢\n或是你市會會再做什麼事情去確認你這樣子的抓法我想過往我們缺乏一個資料就是絕育以後到底是公選母選並沒有做有效的調查所以我們後續特別是請動保師這邊再處理就是未來的絕育一定要去把基礎資料先建立起來看看我們抓的部分到底是什麼樣的一個比例\n然後未來的回遲或者是在收容在認養的部分後續也可以針對這樣的一個比例去做一個相關的處理我想確定一下所以說我們現在沒有資料對不對我們現在是不知道的所以我們現在要建立基礎資料大概要花多久的時間呢\n我們現在就陸續做,我們現在應該就可以要求地方政府做記錄我想東寶寺回應就是說可能在立即我們就會叫地方政府針對現在第一個收容所裡面的已經收容所裡面的公母的比例然後未來抓的部分有一個平台可以去登錄然後開始就是開始去執行這樣的一個情況\n好 那我想因為這個詳細的規劃我今天很時間不夠那是不是可以請一個月以內提到我辦公室讓我知道具體的時程以及你們會如何的去做這件事情好不好那再來就是說我們目前的一個生態樂區的計畫我們其實是包括在遊蕩犬的管理經濟措施計畫當中那目前我收到的回覆是說我們沒有要針對生態樂區推動一個法制化的規劃\n但是我今天還是希望來爭取他成為一個法治化因為接下來才化法的一個衝擊不知道會不會影響到這個專案那如果我們沒有把法治化的話地方政府可能就不會覺得這件事情他必須要來做這是第一個第二個就是說現在呢樂區並不是一個法治一個\n法律名詞啦 現在我們在這地方執行的就是說我們抓的處罰只能是依反依據這個廢清法第27條就是它有沒有造成區域的髒亂等等可是事實上呢 它如果今天是乾淨餵食你是不是就不能抓可是我們今天講的就是生態樂區禁止餵食嘛所以我還是希望來爭取部長的支持我們是不是可以把它法治化呢\n我跟他們討論過就是生態熱區它本身是根據過往的這些抓捕的這些數量調查的數量它不像說自然保衛區有一個很明確的範圍所以如果把生態熱區能夠做一些界定的時候就有機會入法啦但是他們這個部分現在他們還在討論但是我有一個要求就是\n為了這些流浪犬還有一些這些跟食物特定樂區的所有的農菜計劃因為農菜計劃是我們很扎根的很多社區的計劃我都要求加一個共同項目做動物的保護過去是沒有的動物的保護這個可能要界定清楚欸對 包括這些流浪犬本身的一些\n但是游蕩犬現在就是在生態樂區跟野生動物有一些相關的衝突所以這個動物保護到底指的是什麼動物游蕩犬本身就是有一些在社區裡面過往的社區完全不處理這個我現在是每一個農宅計畫都變了一個共通的項目你要在那裡面去做所謂的\n我們講細的就是有蕩犬本身的這些包括你的餵養的部分的一個茶葉不正常餵養的部分你都要去處理還有家犬的這些輸種的部分我們都要去處理這樣的話透過農在社區比較基本面去處理的時候應該可以cover一些主要我們認定的生態樂區\n但是我覺得這點還有一個很大的問題耶就是說我們今天生態熱區禁止餵食這件事情禁止餵食現在是沒有辦法沒有法沒有法可以去處罰嘛對不對你剛剛講的就是說我怎麼去控制這個數量可是它餵食還是沒有沒有任何的刑罰這個部分的話如果要把它法制化的困難到底是什麼就剛剛講的是界定嘛對不對還是說這個署長要來說明一下嗎還是有辦法說明\n好 跟委員報告 所謂的生態熱區我們就以食物跟草消來講絕大部分應該都是私有土地那甚至可能是農地所以你如果說要去特別框線它會像一個類保護區一樣我想這在食物上是有困難的對因為地主什麼都會有很大的疑慮\n對 那我們如何可能還是從剛剛部長所講的包含從社區或是包含從現有的這個遊蕩犬貓的這個管制的這個計畫還有包含加強限制餵食這方面應該會更快速一點 對\n我們剛才委員特別提到就是說禁止餵食其實我們曾經想要把它納入法裡面去但是很多所謂的也是動保團體他們覺得說這些流浪犬就是有些人覺得說你不餵他他就會餓死\n所以也強力的反對我們把禁止餵食很強制的拿掉所以這個部分我想還是必須持續去做溝通不過我想透過農在社區去做巡視把這些最主要的餵食點去做有效的宣導那可能比較容易達成那我們會有一些相關的KPI嗎\n是就是針對於說因為我們希望可以去減少他們餵食嗎我們有一些相關的KPI去制定不然我們怎麼知道我們做的這個計畫到底有沒有成效我想這個部分我應該是只有在上個禮拜上禮拜我\n也是委員會動保法執行的時候回去我討論就是龍寨社區裡面就會列KPI就是每個社區根據他的範圍然後針對那裡面的犬隻他也要協助做調查那針對這個飼主的責任還有一些不當的餵養我們都會有一些一些調查基礎數據調查以後就會有後面的KPI出來\n好那我最後再強調一點就是說因為其實我們一直在強調就是說今天其實大家都知道嘛遊蕩犬的數量非常非常非常之多那我今天是來不及問有關於收容空間的問題但是我覺得還是要強調一點就是我們從源頭管理嘛一直不停的因為農業部其實也一直不停的講源頭管理是主責任但我知道在三月的時候呢農業部已經把相關過去只要你餵養我們可能就會到時候這個出事了嘛對不對這遊蕩犬如果攻擊人造成人\n或是農作物的一些損傷的時候法院的判例其實是會去追究這個餵養者的責任我們已經把這些判例整理起來提供給地方政府了但是我認為今天我們如果要強調四組責任農業部應該要做出更多的宣傳讓大家知道這件事情而不是只有交給地方政府去做可能很消極的溝通\n這個部分農業部可不可以做呢我想可以我們在農糧類的話經常開說明會嘛那動保師人力雖然比較少但是我會要求包括我們的試驗單位也共同來做這樣的宣導這樣的話才有它的效果我想我們是不是因為農業部的小編的社群是不是也可以成為一個溝通的平台\n我們應該要用所有的平台來溝通這件事情吧總不能說這個未養者未餵他也不知道他這樣其實在法律上面會負責任但他也很無辜嘛對不對所以我覺得我們應該要做到這件事情所以大概什麼時候我們可以提供給我一個詳細的宣傳計畫我們同樣六月底好不好因為六月底我們有很多包括我們的四組那個寄養的那些契約有沒有都會出來\n那宣傳的一個溝通的計畫是不是可以先提供給我呢?大概你們會在哪些地方做這些溝通?5月底之前可以嗎?好不好?那你6月底再上架嗎?應該可以,5月底可以好,謝謝好,謝謝張雅玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.752 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08:06.891\n好那我最後再強調一點就是說因為其實我們一直在強調就是說今天其實大家都知道嘛遊蕩犬的數量非常非常非常之多那我今天是來不及問有關於收容空間的問題但是我覺得還是要強調一點就是我們從源頭管理嘛一直不停的因為農業部其實也一直不停的講源頭管理是主責任但我知道在三月的時候呢農業部已經把相關過去只要你餵養我們可能就會到時候這個出事了嘛對不對這遊蕩犬如果攻擊人造成人\n\n08:07.851 --> 08:32.327\n或是農作物的一些損傷的時候法院的判例其實是會去追究這個餵養者的責任我們已經把這些判例整理起來提供給地方政府了但是我認為今天我們如果要強調四組責任農業部應該要做出更多的宣傳讓大家知道這件事情而不是只有交給地方政府去做可能很消極的溝通\n\n08:33.488 --> 08:52.648\n這個部分農業部可不可以做呢我想可以我們在農糧類的話經常開說明會嘛那動保師人力雖然比較少但是我會要求包括我們的試驗單位也共同來做這樣的宣導這樣的話才有它的效果我想我們是不是因為農業部的小編的社群是不是也可以成為一個溝通的平台\n\n08:53.108 --> 09:16.718\n我們應該要用所有的平台來溝通這件事情吧總不能說這個未養者未餵他也不知道他這樣其實在法律上面會負責任但他也很無辜嘛對不對所以我覺得我們應該要做到這件事情所以大概什麼時候我們可以提供給我一個詳細的宣傳計畫我們同樣六月底好不好因為六月底我們有很多包括我們的四組那個寄養的那些契約有沒有都會出來\n\n09:17.358 --> 09:28.329\n那宣傳的一個溝通的計畫是不是可以先提供給我呢?大概你們會在哪些地方做這些溝通?5月底之前可以嗎?好不好?那你6月底再上架嗎?應該可以,5月底可以好,謝謝好,謝謝張雅玲委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.752,"end":7.335,"text":"好 我們有請部長 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