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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:05,829 --> 00:00:06,290\n有請部長請部長\n\n2\n00:00:15,491 --> 00:00:21,874\n市場開放這件事情對等關稅所引來的市場開放確實讓我們農民驚慌不已本席也認為在中長期來講農業制約化才能面對全球的挑戰所以有幾個議題第一個從對等關稅的衝擊以及我們現在農產業競爭力提升的問題\n\n3\n00:00:41,403 --> 00:01:05,895\n以及這個第三個在國際經驗的分享當中我們是否可以再做一些借鏡以及在續產原續產種源資料網的功能頻繁包括我農業在農業絕招的部分我們的農業雲端大數據的平台你們根本沒有啟動第六個面對極端氣候長年困擾也就是本席現在念茲在茲的就是我大寮美容的這個\n\n4\n00:01:08,056 --> 00:01:29,362\n這個水道的空包彈這也是跟氣候有關只是你們不認定而已包括之前的美濃山林的這個小番茄的消長你們也不認定它是一個氣候變遷所帶來你們認為是病從海好那這個可是極端氣候確實是在發生那你怎麼提供濃油更好的方案呢而不是每次我們都該給你藥補助補助當然重要\n\n5\n00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:56,219\n但是重點是要防範於未來而不是年復一年的一直在處理同樣的問題啊好包括這次您催生的國家植物表形體中心這個本席非常的肯定但是你們的做法需要調整好從零關稅談起人民的恐慌在上週我們在強化社會及國土安全任性特別條例的時候本席就有提到你面對市場的開放我們的容序\n\n6\n00:01:59,662 --> 00:02:18,585\n應該要參考的是國際經驗跟先進技術先進技術當中除了本席一直倡議的這個基因定序這其實只是其中一項而已的精準的榮榆木的產業升級而且利用市場的力量結合政策工具重點是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:19,625 --> 00:02:25,570\n縮小我國內農漁牧產業跟國際的生產成本我這樣才能不怕國際競爭但是我們有沒有做到重點是縮小國內我農漁牧產產業的跟國際的生產成本我們農民是不怕苦的我是擔心被國外的低價農產品的價值破壞好那目前\n\n8\n00:02:42,244 --> 00:02:51,307\n爬梳從本席做這個國會議員到現在爬梳我們現在農產業至今的競爭力的問題是什麼四項第一個農業部資源都投注強調在補助跟補貼補助當然重要他重點是即時性的來保障我的農民但是對於我小農為主的我們的台灣我們我國的農業競爭力的提升是非常有限的第二個問題\n\n9\n00:03:08,573 --> 00:03:25,150\n在推動重點我們都是在農民的硬體建設但是在農業的共用基礎設施跟農業的軟實力成效是有限什麼叫做硬體設備我們有沒有補助農機社的改善有我們要補助人煉有沒有有\n\n10\n00:03:26,451 --> 00:03:41,244\n我們這次有抓了大量的經費補助溫室有沒有有這個都也該做但是我們現在應該要提升了就您這邊累積歷任的部長主委所現在你要做的是公共的基礎建設跟農業軟實力那這是你應該要做的\n\n11\n00:03:43,666 --> 00:04:09,697\n第三個問題推動智慧農業我們都是在農業的智慧化也就是說這個成功的案產相對有限喔本席長期主張就是你農業決策你部長跟你所有的一級署管機關的農業決策的智慧化跟精準化有啦你們有做啦部本部裡面的行政流程公文啦財務啦這你們有做然後放豬我最在意的就是龍魚\n\n12\n00:04:12,279 --> 00:04:37,240\n會合作社他們的競銷存肥料等甚至會計喔有沒有有沒有整合這樣的雲端平台沒有我倡議了好久你們也來跟我講了好幾次到現在你們的結論是什麼還是讓各農會去做我講的我不需要農會我講明了我也要替農會講話你不可以去取他的會籍資料\n\n13\n00:04:38,061 --> 00:04:49,848\n這他們最怕但是你其他的要讓你做農業決策的部分相關的訊息去識別化的時候你是可以做的你們現在農糧署我們現在這個署長署長上來我忘記你的名字你叫什麼名陳俊延俊延署長他很認真\n\n14\n00:05:04,459 --> 00:05:30,541\n但是呢我不曉得他帶來他其實是很了解狀況的人利弊得失農民的受傷他都很清楚的啦在業是什麼是什麼他都很清楚不好意思但是到你這邊做了決策的時候確實還是回歸現況好第四個農產農產業研究的資源過於分散你們都給各大學去做資料分散你給各大學我也沒意見喔重點你不本部相關的農業相關的資訊你有沒有統整起來\n\n15\n00:05:33,283 --> 00:05:39,407\n而且缺乏重點的經濟物種的核心計畫好來我們來看國際成功經驗這個成功經驗我們看愛爾蘭的乳流我們只會說人家好\n\n16\n00:05:42,959 --> 00:06:08,556\n這個他好在哪裡其實我們也在這個軌跡上在走啊他能夠你看左邊這是他們的愛爾蘭養牛聯合會國家支持的一個聯合會他能夠讓他的育種率提升一倍他的世代間隔縮短了60%所以講白了就是他的優生學嘛然後每次最最讓我這讓我看到的就是減少每公升牛奶碳排14%講白話一點他就是連牛的放屁他都在開始減少\n\n17\n00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:24,835\n好我們再看右下角這個挪威的鮭魚跟丹麥的豬隻他們兩個也是一樣這兩個是國際級的公司他們是國際級的公司才有辦法去做這樣的一個精準農業那我們是小農那怎麼辦政府啊\n\n18\n00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:36,003\n農業不要當農民的靠山啊不是只靠補貼補貼我講是重要保障他及時的讓他不要趕快這個倒下去但是他的後面的升級的產業升級在哪裡他連鮭魚跟豬隻生活週期變短飼料成本降低這就是我們如何如何用我們開放市場之後我們國家的農魚牧怎麼去跟人家競爭嘛他減少飼料的減少飼料的風險跟碳排也減少了嘛\n\n19\n00:06:57,512 --> 00:07:22,866\n好再來我們來看本國的現在的虛產種源資料網這個都在網上上游你們從1995年至今存來到這邊的就只有種源樣本保存跟交換功能第二個完全不具備運算跟資料加值什麼意思你那個叫做資料不叫做資訊而且僅有DNA的資料卻無表型體定\n\n20\n00:07:24,227 --> 00:07:39,564\n定序的應用好再來我們來看奇異果我們大家說他很會行銷其實錯了他在從現在開始本席質詢的前20年他就已經完成了基因資料的收集\n\n21\n00:07:39,744 --> 00:07:43,047\n所以他才能在中國廉價的生產實現價值創造所以我們來看看我們能不能這樣做現況我們是總緣不管是農產農畜魚都是這樣我們現況就是總緣保存查詢還沒有講到資安保護我們期待他精準決策\n\n22\n00:07:58,163 --> 00:08:12,634\n能夠透過基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析能夠達到四個目的提高生產的效率跟收益能夠縮短育種週期第三個農業碳排減量第四個提高農民的專業性進而我們能夠創新應用強化農業韌性我們一直在講農業韌性啊在講什麼農業韌性面對我的氣候變遷抗逆境\n\n23\n00:08:22,921 --> 00:08:42,673\n抗病品系你像我的這個空包的這個水稻包括之前的那個小番茄的消長不都是氣候變遷嗎你們就是不承認它是天然災害啊但是我可以透過這樣子的一個基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析這個等一下在最後我再跟你做討論我的單位產量會提高促進糧食的安全DNA條碼的運用\n\n24\n00:08:50,418 --> 00:09:18,877\nGS1的導入這個本席在前幾次的質詢當中DNA條碼結合現在2027年全球要推動的GS1條碼的這個運用鑑別進口產品好我們現在缺乏農業雲端大數據這個榮邦學習啊這個再速發布這個已經很成熟的學習什麼意思它是一個分三次的AI訓練各單位可以在不分享原始資料這個很重要的前提下協作訓練\n\n25\n00:09:20,698 --> 00:09:29,861\n既可以保護各單位的私有資訊又可以訓練最佳的演算這個就是我們所有農業從業人員增進智慧農業現場的效益我們看左邊A農場B農場C農場這可以是私人的左邊的農事所拉進來在這個平台資料加密去識別化之後\n\n26\n00:09:39,443 --> 00:09:51,418\n我們的共同來訓練演算各自ABC包括龍市所各自可以去演算但是到這個平台的時候我政府可以運用龍市所包括你部本部的連結所以右邊這邊是我們期待的國家農業運大數據\n\n27\n00:09:56,124 --> 00:10:10,203\n因為國月國家雲大數據出來之後的背後是什麼是你的政策預算能夠精準你能夠智慧的決策那要從基礎做從最下面的右邊左下你生物樣本跟生物資訊這個是榮於\n\n28\n00:10:12,986 --> 00:10:21,712\n農林漁牧都是可以進來的再來往上基因分析資料的產出這是我們要進展的進而到上面我們的應用平台進而再到你的國家數據但是當到這應用平台的時候你的聯邦學習演算的模組就會出來你會上下交流進而產生下來的是我的回歸到農事單位我們的農研我們農企我們的農民是什麼生產效益提升助益的糧食生產跟永續的發展\n\n29\n00:10:41,866 --> 00:10:47,167\n好我們再來看極端氣候長年困擾我們帶來的這個病毒素等的消長的狀況讓小番茄不再生長或有結果那你們農糧署判斷之後呢是病蟲害不算天災無法啟動天災的補助所以呢變成是我們農業局提供肥料的補助好你來看這個稻米空包蛋你們有沒有你們農事組有沒有開發抗病品種我要聽你們講話一下你們有欸\n\n30\n00:11:09,292 --> 00:11:14,237\n你們有耶部長你們有對於空包的這個道明有抗病品種抱歉你們沒有補給農民都不知道產銷班都不知道好都沒有補給所以你也就只好你一定要給我補助下去好所以我們高雄的隧道也面臨這樣的災害問題好講到這個這個就是您的\n\n31\n00:11:29,713 --> 00:11:50,126\n您的前瞻了啦這我要把你勾勒一下國家植物表形體中心好這個左邊這張圖你們幾乎非常的你應該非常的熟悉植物設計導向的快速精準綠種他應該做到最上位跟你的這個榮市所當你這個表形體當中可以做環境控制好我就以水稻為例我的抗旱\n\n32\n00:11:51,167 --> 00:11:55,050\n抗熱抗病蟲害就這三個就好了你的環境調控本來我本來8月我才會有有這個8月才會生長的我提早到6月了而且就是長得不好所以你這個環境抗逆境當中我可以變成高溫然後用這個病蟲害的這樣基因下去所產生的優生的品種這個基因在哪裡甚至所以你們現在的我要你調整的你這個做得很好但是你現在給學術單位\n\n33\n00:12:21,187 --> 00:12:38,814\n沒問題但是你要重點啊比如說今年我就做兩個我就做水稻水稻哪一個我有好幾個方案有的是表型體的有的是基因檢測的有的是什麼什麼的然後這些總和之後就是水稻所有的數據你整合在一塊你今年就做這一項就好了\n\n34\n00:12:39,694 --> 00:12:41,797\n你可以透徹到不行而且是符合台灣我們的這個環境變遷所以如果你能夠做這樣的統整給各學術單位而且你有很計畫性的今年我做哪幾個哪幾個品種\n\n35\n00:12:55,071 --> 00:13:01,673\n全部透徹的研究產生出來的再給農事所人數有之後再回饋你這個表形體中心這樣才會讓我農民受益才能普及下去啊這邊會有什麼好處您這個中心如果有好好的去做這樣的整合的話數據的整合跟我農事總也結合我的抗病基因跟風味基位共同選拔我利用基因體的選擇方法會提高風味也許未來我的水稻有巴拉米\n\n36\n00:13:21,530 --> 00:13:25,913\n我以後我的水稻我就要有百拉米就從這裡出來啊然後利用擴大優良品系及種苗的生產跟供應提出先期的檢測跟預警方案幫助農民降低風險啊你再怎麼補都補不到我農民的損失啊按照我們農民我投資了200萬你再給我補助多少好再來\n\n37\n00:13:43,204 --> 00:14:05,317\n這邊最後我具體的要求希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例提出我國農漁畜農漁產的這個生產消費提升的方案不僅限於基因定序第二個提出國家植物表形體中心應該要應用活化的方案而且要針對主要的經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫再來這些\n\n38\n00:14:07,578 --> 00:14:21,305\n今年供地區的一起水稻栽損以最短暫的時間完成補助你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了你什麼時候補助我高雄地區的一起水稻栽損我講明的你不在這個質詢態度上給我講出來我就絕對不給你解凍請說\n\n39\n00:14:25,083 --> 00:14:39,020\n有關於那個現在目前的水道是採用水道的一個保險那水道保險在當地的水道收工後一個月之內一定會完成整個的一個保險的一個設計講時間講時間好嗎我們農民現在要聽的就是時間\n\n40\n00:14:43,561 --> 00:15:01,392\n我們的農會現在要聽的就是時間就是他們當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來因為我們用保險的制度那也不用去勘栽我們跟地區地區性的產量如果他比地區的產量比過去五年還低的時候那相對的如果超過20%我們就理賠了\n\n41\n00:15:03,193 --> 00:15:23,971\n所以是我們市政府給你之後的一個月內再補是嗎是這個意思不是不需要地方政府給我們我們會針對當地的產量做調查那那個產量如果跟過去五年的去高去低的平均好那講時間好不好現在五月中現在已經五月快底了那你要多久一個月\n\n42\n00:15:25,452 --> 00:15:43,112\n兩個禮拜內收穫完一個月所以我在6月今天5月幾號今天5月18號那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助喔我要跟委員講喔我是說收穫後一個月但是現在高雄地區現在還在收啊\n\n43\n00:15:44,787 --> 00:16:04,329\n收購完一個月部長嘗試講人民聽得懂的話你只要講人民說來各位農民我告訴你在6月30號以前你會完成補助在7月15號以前你會完成補助這才叫人民聽得懂的話中間的程序是我們的問題\n\n44\n00:16:05,410 --> 00:16:32,161\n是你要去督促各農漁會去公所那去這個我這個是政府這是你們自己去協調的我跟委員報告說人家你們聽得懂嗎現在目前我們不是用天然災害的救助的系統我們用農業保險農業保險第一個就是那個地區收穫完我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低如果低20%的時候一個月之內我們就理賠\n\n45\n00:16:34,502 --> 00:16:49,210\n好所以時間大概就是等高雄區因為不同的地區會不同的時間我們以高雄地區大概大概是六月底七月中之前七月中七月十號以前這樣我們大家都聽到了我們所有農會我們所有農民請到來都聽到七月中旬以前我們農業部會完成所有的補助好謝謝以上\n\n46\n00:16:59,068 --> 00:17:11,358\n這個要超過百分之二十的喔好要超過百分之二十喔所以如果民調好喔我們高雄的都民調好喔大樓米都要都民調好喔請到來喔你如果又不超過百分之二十我們是站不住的喔好謝謝好謝謝林戴華委員那我們下一位請邱益銀委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5829\t6290\t有請部長請部長\n15491\t21874\t市場開放這件事情對等關稅所引來的市場開放確實讓我們農民驚慌不已本席也認為在中長期來講農業制約化才能面對全球的挑戰所以有幾個議題第一個從對等關稅的衝擊以及我們現在農產業競爭力提升的問題\n41403\t65895\t以及這個第三個在國際經驗的分享當中我們是否可以再做一些借鏡以及在續產原 續產種源資料網的功能頻繁包括我農業在農業絕招的部分我們的農業雲端大數據的平台你們根本沒有啟動第六個面對極端氣候長年困擾也就是本席現在念茲在茲的就是我大寮美容的這個\n68056\t89362\t這個水道的空包彈這也是跟氣候有關只是你們不認定而已包括之前的美濃山林的這個小番茄的消長你們也不認定它是一個氣候變遷所帶來你們認為是病從海好那這個可是極端氣候確實是在發生那你怎麼提供濃油更好的方案呢而不是每次我們都該給你藥補助補助當然重要\n91883\t116219\t但是重點是要防範於未來而不是年復一年的一直在處理同樣的問題啊好 包括這次您催生的國家植物表形體中心這個本席非常的肯定但是你們的做法需要調整好 從零關稅談起人民的恐慌在上週我們在強化社會及國土安全任性特別條例的時候本席就有提到 你面對市場的開放我們的容 序\n119662\t138585\t應該要參考的是國際經驗跟先進技術先進技術當中除了本席一直倡議的這個基因定序這其實只是其中一項而已的精準的榮榆木的產業升級而且利用市場的力量結合政策工具重點是什麼\n139625\t145570\t縮小我國內農漁牧產業跟國際的生產成本我這樣才能不怕國際競爭但是我們有沒有做到重點是縮小國內我農漁牧產產業的跟國際的生產成本我們農民是不怕苦的我是擔心被國外的低價農產品的價值破壞好 那目前\n162244\t171307\t爬梳從本席做這個國會議員到現在爬梳我們現在農產業至今的競爭力的問題是什麼四項第一個農業部資源都投注強調在補助跟補貼補助當然重要他重點是即時性的來保障我的農民但是對於我小農為主的我們的台灣我們我國的農業競爭力的提升是非常有限的第二個問題\n188573\t205150\t在推動重點我們都是在農民的硬體建設但是在農業的共用基礎設施跟農業的軟實力成效是有限什麼叫做硬體設備我們有沒有補助農機社的改善 有我們要補助人煉 有沒有 有\n206451\t221244\t我們這次有抓了大量的經費補助溫室有沒有有這個都也該做但是我們現在應該要提升了就您這邊累積歷任的部長 主委所現在你要做的是公共的基礎建設跟農業軟實力那這是你應該要做的\n223666\t249697\t第三個問題 推動智慧農業我們都是在農業的智慧化也就是說這個成功的案產相對有限喔本席長期主張就是你農業決策你部長跟你所有的一級署管機關的農業決策的智慧化跟精準化有啦 你們有做啦 部本部裡面的行政流程公文啦 財務啦 這你們有做然後放豬 我最在意的就是龍魚\n252279\t277240\t會 合作社他們的競銷存肥料等甚至會計喔有沒有有沒有整合這樣的雲端平台沒有 我倡議了好久你們也來跟我講了好幾次到現在你們的結論是什麼還是讓各農會去做我講的我不需要農會我講明了 我也要替農會講話你不可以去取他的會籍資料\n278061\t289848\t這他們最怕但是你其他的要讓你做農業決策的部分相關的訊息去識別化的時候你是可以做的你們現在農糧署我們現在這個署長署長上來我忘記你的名字 你叫什麼名陳俊延俊延署長他很認真\n304459\t330541\t但是呢 我不曉得他帶來 他其實是很了解狀況的人利弊得失 農民的受傷 他都很清楚的啦在業是什麼是什麼 他都很清楚 不好意思但是到你這邊做了決策的時候 確實還是回歸現況好 第四個 農產 農產業研究的資源過於分散你們都給各大學去做資料分散 你給各大學 我也沒意見喔重點你不本部相關的農業相關的資訊 你有沒有統整起來\n333283\t339407\t而且缺乏重點的經濟物種的核心計畫好來我們來看國際成功經驗這個成功經驗我們看愛爾蘭的乳流我們只會說人家好\n342959\t368556\t這個他好在哪裡其實我們也在這個軌跡上在走啊他能夠你看左邊這是他們的愛爾蘭養牛聯合會國家支持的一個聯合會他能夠讓他的育種率提升一倍他的世代間隔縮短了60%所以講白了就是他的優生學嘛然後每次最最讓我這讓我看到的就是減少每公升牛奶碳排14%講白話一點他就是連牛的放屁他都在開始減少\n373700\t384835\t好我們再看右下角這個挪威的鮭魚跟丹麥的豬隻他們兩個也是一樣這兩個是國際級的公司他們是國際級的公司才有辦法去做這樣的一個精準農業那我們是小農那怎麼辦政府啊\n389040\t396003\t農業不要當農民的靠山啊不是只靠補貼 補貼我講是重要保障他及時的讓他不要趕快這個倒下去但是他的後面的升級的產業升級在哪裡他連鮭魚跟豬隻生活週期變短飼料成本降低這就是我們如何如何用我們開放市場之後我們國家的農 魚 牧怎麼去跟人家競爭嘛他減少飼料的 減少飼料的風險跟碳排也減少了嘛\n417512\t442866\t好再來我們來看本國的現在的虛產種源資料網這個都在網上上游你們從1995年至今存來到這邊的就只有種源樣本保存跟交換功能第二個完全不具備運算跟資料加值什麼意思你那個叫做資料不叫做資訊而且僅有DNA的資料卻無表型體定\n444227\t459564\t定序的應用好 再來我們來看奇異果我們大家說他很會行銷其實錯了他在從現在開始本席質詢的前20年他就已經完成了基因資料的收集\n459744\t463047\t所以他才能在中國廉價的生產實現價值創造所以我們來看看我們能不能這樣做現況我們是總緣不管是農產 農畜魚都是這樣我們現況就是總緣保存查詢還沒有講到資安保護我們期待他精準決策\n478163\t492634\t能夠透過基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析能夠達到四個目的 提高生產的效率跟收益能夠縮短育種週期第三個 農業碳排減量第四個 提高農民的專業性 進而我們能夠創新應用強化農業韌性 我們一直在講農業韌性啊在講什麼農業韌性 面對我的氣候變遷 抗逆境\n502921\t522673\t抗病品系你像我的這個空包的這個水稻包括之前的那個小番茄的消長不都是氣候變遷嗎你們就是不承認它是天然災害啊但是我可以透過這樣子的一個基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析這個等一下在最後我再跟你做討論我的單位產量會提高促進糧食的安全DNA條碼的運用\n530418\t558877\tGS1的導入這個本席在前幾次的質詢當中DNA條碼結合現在2027年全球要推動的GS1條碼的這個運用鑑別進口產品好我們現在缺乏農業雲端大數據這個榮邦學習啊這個再速發布這個已經很成熟的學習什麼意思它是一個分三次的AI訓練各單位可以在不分享原始資料這個很重要的前提下協作訓練\n560698\t569861\t既可以保護各單位的私有資訊又可以訓練最佳的演算這個就是我們所有農業從業人員增進智慧農業現場的效益我們看左邊A農場 B農場 C農場這可以是私人的左邊的農事所拉進來在這個平台資料加密去識別化之後\n579443\t591418\t我們的共同來訓練演算各自ABC包括龍市所各自可以去演算但是到這個平台的時候我政府可以運用龍市所包括你部本部的連結所以右邊這邊是我們期待的國家農業運大數據\n596124\t610203\t因為國月國家雲大數據出來之後的背後是什麼是你的政策預算能夠精準你能夠智慧的決策那要從基礎做從最下面的右邊左下你生物樣本跟生物資訊這個是榮於\n612986\t621712\t農林漁牧都是可以進來的再來往上基因分析資料的產出這是我們要進展的進而到上面我們的應用平台進而再到你的國家數據但是當到這應用平台的時候你的聯邦學習演算的模組就會出來你會上下交流進而產生下來的是我的回歸到農事單位我們的農研 我們農企 我們的農民是什麼生產效益提升 助益的糧食生產跟永續的發展\n641866\t647167\t好我們再來看 極端氣候 長年困擾我們帶來的這個病毒素等的消長的狀況讓小番茄不再生長或有結果那你們農糧署判斷之後呢是病蟲害 不算天災無法啟動天災的補助所以呢變成是我們農業局提供肥料的補助好你來看這個稻米空包蛋你們有沒有 你們農事組有沒有開發抗病品種我要聽你們講話一下 你們有欸\n669292\t674237\t你們有耶 部長你們有對於空包的這個 道明有抗病品種 抱歉你們沒有補給 農民都不知道 產銷班都不知道好 都沒有補給所以你也就只好 你一定要給我補助下去好 所以我們高雄的隧道也面臨這樣的災害問題好 講到這個 這個就是您的\n689713\t710126\t您的前瞻了啦 這我要把你勾勒一下國家植物表形體中心好這個左邊這張圖你們幾乎非常的你應該非常的熟悉植物設計導向的快速精準綠種他應該做到最上位跟你的這個榮市所當你這個表形體當中可以做環境控制好我就以水稻為例我的抗旱\n711167\t715050\t抗熱抗病蟲害就這三個就好了你的環境調控本來我本來8月我才會有有這個8月才會生長的我提早到6月了而且就是長得不好所以你這個環境抗逆境當中我可以變成高溫然後用這個病蟲害的這樣基因下去所產生的優生的品種這個基因在哪裡甚至所以你們現在的我要你調整的你這個做得很好但是你現在給學術單位\n741187\t758814\t沒問題但是你要重點啊比如說今年我就做兩個我就做水稻水稻哪一個我有好幾個方案有的是表型體的有的是基因檢測的有的是什麼什麼的然後這些總和之後就是水稻所有的數據你整合在一塊你今年就做這一項就好了\n759694\t761797\t你可以透徹到不行而且是符合台灣我們的這個環境變遷所以如果你能夠做這樣的統整給各學術單位而且你有很計畫性的今年我做哪幾個哪幾個品種\n775071\t781673\t全部透徹的研究產生出來的再給農事所 人數有之後再回饋你這個表形體中心這樣才會讓我農民受益才能普及下去啊這邊會有什麼好處 您這個中心如果有好好的去做這樣的整合的話 數據的整合跟我農事總也結合 我的抗病基因跟風味基位共同選拔我利用基因體的選擇方法會提高風味 也許未來我的水稻有巴拉米\n801530\t805913\t我以後我的水稻我就要有百拉米 就從這裡出來啊然後利用擴大優良品系及種苗的生產跟供應提出先期的檢測跟預警方案幫助農民降低風險啊你再怎麼補都補不到我農民的損失啊按照我們農民我投資了200萬 你再給我補助多少好 再來\n823204\t845317\t這邊最後我具體的要求希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例提出我國農漁畜農漁產的這個生產消費提升的方案不僅限於基因定序第二個提出國家植物表形體中心應該要應用活化的方案而且要針對主要的經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫再來這些\n847578\t861305\t今年供地區的一起水稻栽損以最短暫的時間完成補助你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了你什麼時候補助我高雄地區的一起水稻栽損我講明的你不在這個質詢態度上給我講出來我就絕對不給你解凍 請說\n865083\t879020\t有關於那個現在目前的水道是採用水道的一個保險那水道保險在當地的水道收工後一個月之內一定會完成整個的一個保險的一個設計講時間講時間好嗎我們農民現在要聽的就是時間\n883561\t901392\t我們的農會現在要聽的就是時間就是他們當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來因為我們用保險的制度那也不用去勘栽我們跟地區地區性的產量如果他比地區的產量比過去五年還低的時候那相對的如果超過20%我們就理賠了\n903193\t923971\t所以是我們市政府給你之後的一個月內再補是嗎是這個意思不是不需要地方政府給我們我們會針對當地的產量做調查那那個產量如果跟過去五年的去高去低的平均好那講時間好不好現在五月中現在已經五月快底了那你要多久一個月\n925452\t943112\t兩個禮拜內收穫完一個月所以我在6月今天5月幾號今天5月18號那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助喔我要跟委員講喔我是說收穫後一個月但是現在高雄地區現在還在收啊\n944787\t964329\t收購完一個月部長 嘗試講人民聽得懂的話你只要講人民說 來各位農民我告訴你在6月30號以前你會完成補助在7月15號以前你會完成補助這才叫人民聽得懂的話中間的程序是我們的問題\n965410\t992161\t是你要去督促各農漁會去公所那去這個我這個是政府這是你們自己去協調的我跟委員報告說人家你們聽得懂嗎現在目前我們不是用天然災害的救助的系統我們用農業保險農業保險第一個就是那個地區收穫完我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低如果低20%的時候一個月之內我們就理賠\n994502\t1009210\t好 所以時間大概就是等高雄區 因為不同的地區會不同的時間我們以高雄地區大概大概是六月底七月中之前七月中 七月十號以前這樣我們大家都聽到了我們所有農會 我們所有農民請到來都聽到七月中旬以前我們農業部會完成所有的補助好 謝謝 以上\n1019068\t1031358\t這個要超過百分之二十的喔好要超過百分之二十喔所以如果民調好喔我們高雄的都民調好喔大樓米都要都民調好喔請到來喔你如果又不超過百分之二十我們是站不住的喔好 謝謝好謝謝林戴華委員那我們下一位請邱益銀委員質詢\n","txt":"有請部長請部長\n市場開放這件事情對等關稅所引來的市場開放確實讓我們農民驚慌不已本席也認為在中長期來講農業制約化才能面對全球的挑戰所以有幾個議題第一個從對等關稅的衝擊以及我們現在農產業競爭力提升的問題\n以及這個第三個在國際經驗的分享當中我們是否可以再做一些借鏡以及在續產原 續產種源資料網的功能頻繁包括我農業在農業絕招的部分我們的農業雲端大數據的平台你們根本沒有啟動第六個面對極端氣候長年困擾也就是本席現在念茲在茲的就是我大寮美容的這個\n這個水道的空包彈這也是跟氣候有關只是你們不認定而已包括之前的美濃山林的這個小番茄的消長你們也不認定它是一個氣候變遷所帶來你們認為是病從海好那這個可是極端氣候確實是在發生那你怎麼提供濃油更好的方案呢而不是每次我們都該給你藥補助補助當然重要\n但是重點是要防範於未來而不是年復一年的一直在處理同樣的問題啊好 包括這次您催生的國家植物表形體中心這個本席非常的肯定但是你們的做法需要調整好 從零關稅談起人民的恐慌在上週我們在強化社會及國土安全任性特別條例的時候本席就有提到 你面對市場的開放我們的容 序\n應該要參考的是國際經驗跟先進技術先進技術當中除了本席一直倡議的這個基因定序這其實只是其中一項而已的精準的榮榆木的產業升級而且利用市場的力量結合政策工具重點是什麼\n縮小我國內農漁牧產業跟國際的生產成本我這樣才能不怕國際競爭但是我們有沒有做到重點是縮小國內我農漁牧產產業的跟國際的生產成本我們農民是不怕苦的我是擔心被國外的低價農產品的價值破壞好 那目前\n爬梳從本席做這個國會議員到現在爬梳我們現在農產業至今的競爭力的問題是什麼四項第一個農業部資源都投注強調在補助跟補貼補助當然重要他重點是即時性的來保障我的農民但是對於我小農為主的我們的台灣我們我國的農業競爭力的提升是非常有限的第二個問題\n在推動重點我們都是在農民的硬體建設但是在農業的共用基礎設施跟農業的軟實力成效是有限什麼叫做硬體設備我們有沒有補助農機社的改善 有我們要補助人煉 有沒有 有\n我們這次有抓了大量的經費補助溫室有沒有有這個都也該做但是我們現在應該要提升了就您這邊累積歷任的部長 主委所現在你要做的是公共的基礎建設跟農業軟實力那這是你應該要做的\n第三個問題 推動智慧農業我們都是在農業的智慧化也就是說這個成功的案產相對有限喔本席長期主張就是你農業決策你部長跟你所有的一級署管機關的農業決策的智慧化跟精準化有啦 你們有做啦 部本部裡面的行政流程公文啦 財務啦 這你們有做然後放豬 我最在意的就是龍魚\n會 合作社他們的競銷存肥料等甚至會計喔有沒有有沒有整合這樣的雲端平台沒有 我倡議了好久你們也來跟我講了好幾次到現在你們的結論是什麼還是讓各農會去做我講的我不需要農會我講明了 我也要替農會講話你不可以去取他的會籍資料\n這他們最怕但是你其他的要讓你做農業決策的部分相關的訊息去識別化的時候你是可以做的你們現在農糧署我們現在這個署長署長上來我忘記你的名字 你叫什麼名陳俊延俊延署長他很認真\n但是呢 我不曉得他帶來 他其實是很了解狀況的人利弊得失 農民的受傷 他都很清楚的啦在業是什麼是什麼 他都很清楚 不好意思但是到你這邊做了決策的時候 確實還是回歸現況好 第四個 農產 農產業研究的資源過於分散你們都給各大學去做資料分散 你給各大學 我也沒意見喔重點你不本部相關的農業相關的資訊 你有沒有統整起來\n而且缺乏重點的經濟物種的核心計畫好來我們來看國際成功經驗這個成功經驗我們看愛爾蘭的乳流我們只會說人家好\n這個他好在哪裡其實我們也在這個軌跡上在走啊他能夠你看左邊這是他們的愛爾蘭養牛聯合會國家支持的一個聯合會他能夠讓他的育種率提升一倍他的世代間隔縮短了60%所以講白了就是他的優生學嘛然後每次最最讓我這讓我看到的就是減少每公升牛奶碳排14%講白話一點他就是連牛的放屁他都在開始減少\n好我們再看右下角這個挪威的鮭魚跟丹麥的豬隻他們兩個也是一樣這兩個是國際級的公司他們是國際級的公司才有辦法去做這樣的一個精準農業那我們是小農那怎麼辦政府啊\n農業不要當農民的靠山啊不是只靠補貼 補貼我講是重要保障他及時的讓他不要趕快這個倒下去但是他的後面的升級的產業升級在哪裡他連鮭魚跟豬隻生活週期變短飼料成本降低這就是我們如何如何用我們開放市場之後我們國家的農 魚 牧怎麼去跟人家競爭嘛他減少飼料的 減少飼料的風險跟碳排也減少了嘛\n好再來我們來看本國的現在的虛產種源資料網這個都在網上上游你們從1995年至今存來到這邊的就只有種源樣本保存跟交換功能第二個完全不具備運算跟資料加值什麼意思你那個叫做資料不叫做資訊而且僅有DNA的資料卻無表型體定\n定序的應用好 再來我們來看奇異果我們大家說他很會行銷其實錯了他在從現在開始本席質詢的前20年他就已經完成了基因資料的收集\n所以他才能在中國廉價的生產實現價值創造所以我們來看看我們能不能這樣做現況我們是總緣不管是農產 農畜魚都是這樣我們現況就是總緣保存查詢還沒有講到資安保護我們期待他精準決策\n能夠透過基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析能夠達到四個目的 提高生產的效率跟收益能夠縮短育種週期第三個 農業碳排減量第四個 提高農民的專業性 進而我們能夠創新應用強化農業韌性 我們一直在講農業韌性啊在講什麼農業韌性 面對我的氣候變遷 抗逆境\n抗病品系你像我的這個空包的這個水稻包括之前的那個小番茄的消長不都是氣候變遷嗎你們就是不承認它是天然災害啊但是我可以透過這樣子的一個基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析這個等一下在最後我再跟你做討論我的單位產量會提高促進糧食的安全DNA條碼的運用\nGS1的導入這個本席在前幾次的質詢當中DNA條碼結合現在2027年全球要推動的GS1條碼的這個運用鑑別進口產品好我們現在缺乏農業雲端大數據這個榮邦學習啊這個再速發布這個已經很成熟的學習什麼意思它是一個分三次的AI訓練各單位可以在不分享原始資料這個很重要的前提下協作訓練\n既可以保護各單位的私有資訊又可以訓練最佳的演算這個就是我們所有農業從業人員增進智慧農業現場的效益我們看左邊A農場 B農場 C農場這可以是私人的左邊的農事所拉進來在這個平台資料加密去識別化之後\n我們的共同來訓練演算各自ABC包括龍市所各自可以去演算但是到這個平台的時候我政府可以運用龍市所包括你部本部的連結所以右邊這邊是我們期待的國家農業運大數據\n因為國月國家雲大數據出來之後的背後是什麼是你的政策預算能夠精準你能夠智慧的決策那要從基礎做從最下面的右邊左下你生物樣本跟生物資訊這個是榮於\n農林漁牧都是可以進來的再來往上基因分析資料的產出這是我們要進展的進而到上面我們的應用平台進而再到你的國家數據但是當到這應用平台的時候你的聯邦學習演算的模組就會出來你會上下交流進而產生下來的是我的回歸到農事單位我們的農研 我們農企 我們的農民是什麼生產效益提升 助益的糧食生產跟永續的發展\n好我們再來看 極端氣候 長年困擾我們帶來的這個病毒素等的消長的狀況讓小番茄不再生長或有結果那你們農糧署判斷之後呢是病蟲害 不算天災無法啟動天災的補助所以呢變成是我們農業局提供肥料的補助好你來看這個稻米空包蛋你們有沒有 你們農事組有沒有開發抗病品種我要聽你們講話一下 你們有欸\n你們有耶 部長你們有對於空包的這個 道明有抗病品種 抱歉你們沒有補給 農民都不知道 產銷班都不知道好 都沒有補給所以你也就只好 你一定要給我補助下去好 所以我們高雄的隧道也面臨這樣的災害問題好 講到這個 這個就是您的\n您的前瞻了啦 這我要把你勾勒一下國家植物表形體中心好這個左邊這張圖你們幾乎非常的你應該非常的熟悉植物設計導向的快速精準綠種他應該做到最上位跟你的這個榮市所當你這個表形體當中可以做環境控制好我就以水稻為例我的抗旱\n抗熱抗病蟲害就這三個就好了你的環境調控本來我本來8月我才會有有這個8月才會生長的我提早到6月了而且就是長得不好所以你這個環境抗逆境當中我可以變成高溫然後用這個病蟲害的這樣基因下去所產生的優生的品種這個基因在哪裡甚至所以你們現在的我要你調整的你這個做得很好但是你現在給學術單位\n沒問題但是你要重點啊比如說今年我就做兩個我就做水稻水稻哪一個我有好幾個方案有的是表型體的有的是基因檢測的有的是什麼什麼的然後這些總和之後就是水稻所有的數據你整合在一塊你今年就做這一項就好了\n你可以透徹到不行而且是符合台灣我們的這個環境變遷所以如果你能夠做這樣的統整給各學術單位而且你有很計畫性的今年我做哪幾個哪幾個品種\n全部透徹的研究產生出來的再給農事所 人數有之後再回饋你這個表形體中心這樣才會讓我農民受益才能普及下去啊這邊會有什麼好處 您這個中心如果有好好的去做這樣的整合的話 數據的整合跟我農事總也結合 我的抗病基因跟風味基位共同選拔我利用基因體的選擇方法會提高風味 也許未來我的水稻有巴拉米\n我以後我的水稻我就要有百拉米 就從這裡出來啊然後利用擴大優良品系及種苗的生產跟供應提出先期的檢測跟預警方案幫助農民降低風險啊你再怎麼補都補不到我農民的損失啊按照我們農民我投資了200萬 你再給我補助多少好 再來\n這邊最後我具體的要求希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例提出我國農漁畜農漁產的這個生產消費提升的方案不僅限於基因定序第二個提出國家植物表形體中心應該要應用活化的方案而且要針對主要的經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫再來這些\n今年供地區的一起水稻栽損以最短暫的時間完成補助你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了你什麼時候補助我高雄地區的一起水稻栽損我講明的你不在這個質詢態度上給我講出來我就絕對不給你解凍 請說\n有關於那個現在目前的水道是採用水道的一個保險那水道保險在當地的水道收工後一個月之內一定會完成整個的一個保險的一個設計講時間講時間好嗎我們農民現在要聽的就是時間\n我們的農會現在要聽的就是時間就是他們當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來因為我們用保險的制度那也不用去勘栽我們跟地區地區性的產量如果他比地區的產量比過去五年還低的時候那相對的如果超過20%我們就理賠了\n所以是我們市政府給你之後的一個月內再補是嗎是這個意思不是不需要地方政府給我們我們會針對當地的產量做調查那那個產量如果跟過去五年的去高去低的平均好那講時間好不好現在五月中現在已經五月快底了那你要多久一個月\n兩個禮拜內收穫完一個月所以我在6月今天5月幾號今天5月18號那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助喔我要跟委員講喔我是說收穫後一個月但是現在高雄地區現在還在收啊\n收購完一個月部長 嘗試講人民聽得懂的話你只要講人民說 來各位農民我告訴你在6月30號以前你會完成補助在7月15號以前你會完成補助這才叫人民聽得懂的話中間的程序是我們的問題\n是你要去督促各農漁會去公所那去這個我這個是政府這是你們自己去協調的我跟委員報告說人家你們聽得懂嗎現在目前我們不是用天然災害的救助的系統我們用農業保險農業保險第一個就是那個地區收穫完我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低如果低20%的時候一個月之內我們就理賠\n好 所以時間大概就是等高雄區 因為不同的地區會不同的時間我們以高雄地區大概大概是六月底七月中之前七月中 七月十號以前這樣我們大家都聽到了我們所有農會 我們所有農民請到來都聽到七月中旬以前我們農業部會完成所有的補助好 謝謝 以上\n這個要超過百分之二十的喔好要超過百分之二十喔所以如果民調好喔我們高雄的都民調好喔大樓米都要都民調好喔請到來喔你如果又不超過百分之二十我們是站不住的喔好 謝謝好謝謝林戴華委員那我們下一位請邱益銀委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.829 --> 00:06.290\n有請部長請部長\n\n00:15.491 --> 00:21.874\n市場開放這件事情對等關稅所引來的市場開放確實讓我們農民驚慌不已本席也認為在中長期來講農業制約化才能面對全球的挑戰所以有幾個議題第一個從對等關稅的衝擊以及我們現在農產業競爭力提升的問題\n\n00:41.403 --> 01:05.895\n以及這個第三個在國際經驗的分享當中我們是否可以再做一些借鏡以及在續產原續產種源資料網的功能頻繁包括我農業在農業絕招的部分我們的農業雲端大數據的平台你們根本沒有啟動第六個面對極端氣候長年困擾也就是本席現在念茲在茲的就是我大寮美容的這個\n\n01:08.056 --> 01:29.362\n這個水道的空包彈這也是跟氣候有關只是你們不認定而已包括之前的美濃山林的這個小番茄的消長你們也不認定它是一個氣候變遷所帶來你們認為是病從海好那這個可是極端氣候確實是在發生那你怎麼提供濃油更好的方案呢而不是每次我們都該給你藥補助補助當然重要\n\n01:31.883 --> 01:56.219\n但是重點是要防範於未來而不是年復一年的一直在處理同樣的問題啊好包括這次您催生的國家植物表形體中心這個本席非常的肯定但是你們的做法需要調整好從零關稅談起人民的恐慌在上週我們在強化社會及國土安全任性特別條例的時候本席就有提到你面對市場的開放我們的容序\n\n01:59.662 --> 02:18.585\n應該要參考的是國際經驗跟先進技術先進技術當中除了本席一直倡議的這個基因定序這其實只是其中一項而已的精準的榮榆木的產業升級而且利用市場的力量結合政策工具重點是什麼\n\n02:19.625 --> 02:25.570\n縮小我國內農漁牧產業跟國際的生產成本我這樣才能不怕國際競爭但是我們有沒有做到重點是縮小國內我農漁牧產產業的跟國際的生產成本我們農民是不怕苦的我是擔心被國外的低價農產品的價值破壞好那目前\n\n02:42.244 --> 02:51.307\n爬梳從本席做這個國會議員到現在爬梳我們現在農產業至今的競爭力的問題是什麼四項第一個農業部資源都投注強調在補助跟補貼補助當然重要他重點是即時性的來保障我的農民但是對於我小農為主的我們的台灣我們我國的農業競爭力的提升是非常有限的第二個問題\n\n03:08.573 --> 03:25.150\n在推動重點我們都是在農民的硬體建設但是在農業的共用基礎設施跟農業的軟實力成效是有限什麼叫做硬體設備我們有沒有補助農機社的改善有我們要補助人煉有沒有有\n\n03:26.451 --> 03:41.244\n我們這次有抓了大量的經費補助溫室有沒有有這個都也該做但是我們現在應該要提升了就您這邊累積歷任的部長主委所現在你要做的是公共的基礎建設跟農業軟實力那這是你應該要做的\n\n03:43.666 --> 04:09.697\n第三個問題推動智慧農業我們都是在農業的智慧化也就是說這個成功的案產相對有限喔本席長期主張就是你農業決策你部長跟你所有的一級署管機關的農業決策的智慧化跟精準化有啦你們有做啦部本部裡面的行政流程公文啦財務啦這你們有做然後放豬我最在意的就是龍魚\n\n04:12.279 --> 04:37.240\n會合作社他們的競銷存肥料等甚至會計喔有沒有有沒有整合這樣的雲端平台沒有我倡議了好久你們也來跟我講了好幾次到現在你們的結論是什麼還是讓各農會去做我講的我不需要農會我講明了我也要替農會講話你不可以去取他的會籍資料\n\n04:38.061 --> 04:49.848\n這他們最怕但是你其他的要讓你做農業決策的部分相關的訊息去識別化的時候你是可以做的你們現在農糧署我們現在這個署長署長上來我忘記你的名字你叫什麼名陳俊延俊延署長他很認真\n\n05:04.459 --> 05:30.541\n但是呢我不曉得他帶來他其實是很了解狀況的人利弊得失農民的受傷他都很清楚的啦在業是什麼是什麼他都很清楚不好意思但是到你這邊做了決策的時候確實還是回歸現況好第四個農產農產業研究的資源過於分散你們都給各大學去做資料分散你給各大學我也沒意見喔重點你不本部相關的農業相關的資訊你有沒有統整起來\n\n05:33.283 --> 05:39.407\n而且缺乏重點的經濟物種的核心計畫好來我們來看國際成功經驗這個成功經驗我們看愛爾蘭的乳流我們只會說人家好\n\n05:42.959 --> 06:08.556\n這個他好在哪裡其實我們也在這個軌跡上在走啊他能夠你看左邊這是他們的愛爾蘭養牛聯合會國家支持的一個聯合會他能夠讓他的育種率提升一倍他的世代間隔縮短了60%所以講白了就是他的優生學嘛然後每次最最讓我這讓我看到的就是減少每公升牛奶碳排14%講白話一點他就是連牛的放屁他都在開始減少\n\n06:13.700 --> 06:24.835\n好我們再看右下角這個挪威的鮭魚跟丹麥的豬隻他們兩個也是一樣這兩個是國際級的公司他們是國際級的公司才有辦法去做這樣的一個精準農業那我們是小農那怎麼辦政府啊\n\n06:29.040 --> 06:36.003\n農業不要當農民的靠山啊不是只靠補貼補貼我講是重要保障他及時的讓他不要趕快這個倒下去但是他的後面的升級的產業升級在哪裡他連鮭魚跟豬隻生活週期變短飼料成本降低這就是我們如何如何用我們開放市場之後我們國家的農魚牧怎麼去跟人家競爭嘛他減少飼料的減少飼料的風險跟碳排也減少了嘛\n\n06:57.512 --> 07:22.866\n好再來我們來看本國的現在的虛產種源資料網這個都在網上上游你們從1995年至今存來到這邊的就只有種源樣本保存跟交換功能第二個完全不具備運算跟資料加值什麼意思你那個叫做資料不叫做資訊而且僅有DNA的資料卻無表型體定\n\n07:24.227 --> 07:39.564\n定序的應用好再來我們來看奇異果我們大家說他很會行銷其實錯了他在從現在開始本席質詢的前20年他就已經完成了基因資料的收集\n\n07:39.744 --> 07:43.047\n所以他才能在中國廉價的生產實現價值創造所以我們來看看我們能不能這樣做現況我們是總緣不管是農產農畜魚都是這樣我們現況就是總緣保存查詢還沒有講到資安保護我們期待他精準決策\n\n07:58.163 --> 08:12.634\n能夠透過基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析能夠達到四個目的提高生產的效率跟收益能夠縮短育種週期第三個農業碳排減量第四個提高農民的專業性進而我們能夠創新應用強化農業韌性我們一直在講農業韌性啊在講什麼農業韌性面對我的氣候變遷抗逆境\n\n08:22.921 --> 08:42.673\n抗病品系你像我的這個空包的這個水稻包括之前的那個小番茄的消長不都是氣候變遷嗎你們就是不承認它是天然災害啊但是我可以透過這樣子的一個基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析這個等一下在最後我再跟你做討論我的單位產量會提高促進糧食的安全DNA條碼的運用\n\n08:50.418 --> 09:18.877\nGS1的導入這個本席在前幾次的質詢當中DNA條碼結合現在2027年全球要推動的GS1條碼的這個運用鑑別進口產品好我們現在缺乏農業雲端大數據這個榮邦學習啊這個再速發布這個已經很成熟的學習什麼意思它是一個分三次的AI訓練各單位可以在不分享原始資料這個很重要的前提下協作訓練\n\n09:20.698 --> 09:29.861\n既可以保護各單位的私有資訊又可以訓練最佳的演算這個就是我們所有農業從業人員增進智慧農業現場的效益我們看左邊A農場B農場C農場這可以是私人的左邊的農事所拉進來在這個平台資料加密去識別化之後\n\n09:39.443 --> 09:51.418\n我們的共同來訓練演算各自ABC包括龍市所各自可以去演算但是到這個平台的時候我政府可以運用龍市所包括你部本部的連結所以右邊這邊是我們期待的國家農業運大數據\n\n09:56.124 --> 10:10.203\n因為國月國家雲大數據出來之後的背後是什麼是你的政策預算能夠精準你能夠智慧的決策那要從基礎做從最下面的右邊左下你生物樣本跟生物資訊這個是榮於\n\n10:12.986 --> 10:21.712\n農林漁牧都是可以進來的再來往上基因分析資料的產出這是我們要進展的進而到上面我們的應用平台進而再到你的國家數據但是當到這應用平台的時候你的聯邦學習演算的模組就會出來你會上下交流進而產生下來的是我的回歸到農事單位我們的農研我們農企我們的農民是什麼生產效益提升助益的糧食生產跟永續的發展\n\n10:41.866 --> 10:47.167\n好我們再來看極端氣候長年困擾我們帶來的這個病毒素等的消長的狀況讓小番茄不再生長或有結果那你們農糧署判斷之後呢是病蟲害不算天災無法啟動天災的補助所以呢變成是我們農業局提供肥料的補助好你來看這個稻米空包蛋你們有沒有你們農事組有沒有開發抗病品種我要聽你們講話一下你們有欸\n\n11:09.292 --> 11:14.237\n你們有耶部長你們有對於空包的這個道明有抗病品種抱歉你們沒有補給農民都不知道產銷班都不知道好都沒有補給所以你也就只好你一定要給我補助下去好所以我們高雄的隧道也面臨這樣的災害問題好講到這個這個就是您的\n\n11:29.713 --> 11:50.126\n您的前瞻了啦這我要把你勾勒一下國家植物表形體中心好這個左邊這張圖你們幾乎非常的你應該非常的熟悉植物設計導向的快速精準綠種他應該做到最上位跟你的這個榮市所當你這個表形體當中可以做環境控制好我就以水稻為例我的抗旱\n\n11:51.167 --> 11:55.050\n抗熱抗病蟲害就這三個就好了你的環境調控本來我本來8月我才會有有這個8月才會生長的我提早到6月了而且就是長得不好所以你這個環境抗逆境當中我可以變成高溫然後用這個病蟲害的這樣基因下去所產生的優生的品種這個基因在哪裡甚至所以你們現在的我要你調整的你這個做得很好但是你現在給學術單位\n\n12:21.187 --> 12:38.814\n沒問題但是你要重點啊比如說今年我就做兩個我就做水稻水稻哪一個我有好幾個方案有的是表型體的有的是基因檢測的有的是什麼什麼的然後這些總和之後就是水稻所有的數據你整合在一塊你今年就做這一項就好了\n\n12:39.694 --> 12:41.797\n你可以透徹到不行而且是符合台灣我們的這個環境變遷所以如果你能夠做這樣的統整給各學術單位而且你有很計畫性的今年我做哪幾個哪幾個品種\n\n12:55.071 --> 13:01.673\n全部透徹的研究產生出來的再給農事所人數有之後再回饋你這個表形體中心這樣才會讓我農民受益才能普及下去啊這邊會有什麼好處您這個中心如果有好好的去做這樣的整合的話數據的整合跟我農事總也結合我的抗病基因跟風味基位共同選拔我利用基因體的選擇方法會提高風味也許未來我的水稻有巴拉米\n\n13:21.530 --> 13:25.913\n我以後我的水稻我就要有百拉米就從這裡出來啊然後利用擴大優良品系及種苗的生產跟供應提出先期的檢測跟預警方案幫助農民降低風險啊你再怎麼補都補不到我農民的損失啊按照我們農民我投資了200萬你再給我補助多少好再來\n\n13:43.204 --> 14:05.317\n這邊最後我具體的要求希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例提出我國農漁畜農漁產的這個生產消費提升的方案不僅限於基因定序第二個提出國家植物表形體中心應該要應用活化的方案而且要針對主要的經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫再來這些\n\n14:07.578 --> 14:21.305\n今年供地區的一起水稻栽損以最短暫的時間完成補助你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了你什麼時候補助我高雄地區的一起水稻栽損我講明的你不在這個質詢態度上給我講出來我就絕對不給你解凍請說\n\n14:25.083 --> 14:39.020\n有關於那個現在目前的水道是採用水道的一個保險那水道保險在當地的水道收工後一個月之內一定會完成整個的一個保險的一個設計講時間講時間好嗎我們農民現在要聽的就是時間\n\n14:43.561 --> 15:01.392\n我們的農會現在要聽的就是時間就是他們當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來因為我們用保險的制度那也不用去勘栽我們跟地區地區性的產量如果他比地區的產量比過去五年還低的時候那相對的如果超過20%我們就理賠了\n\n15:03.193 --> 15:23.971\n所以是我們市政府給你之後的一個月內再補是嗎是這個意思不是不需要地方政府給我們我們會針對當地的產量做調查那那個產量如果跟過去五年的去高去低的平均好那講時間好不好現在五月中現在已經五月快底了那你要多久一個月\n\n15:25.452 --> 15:43.112\n兩個禮拜內收穫完一個月所以我在6月今天5月幾號今天5月18號那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助喔我要跟委員講喔我是說收穫後一個月但是現在高雄地區現在還在收啊\n\n15:44.787 --> 16:04.329\n收購完一個月部長嘗試講人民聽得懂的話你只要講人民說來各位農民我告訴你在6月30號以前你會完成補助在7月15號以前你會完成補助這才叫人民聽得懂的話中間的程序是我們的問題\n\n16:05.410 --> 16:32.161\n是你要去督促各農漁會去公所那去這個我這個是政府這是你們自己去協調的我跟委員報告說人家你們聽得懂嗎現在目前我們不是用天然災害的救助的系統我們用農業保險農業保險第一個就是那個地區收穫完我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低如果低20%的時候一個月之內我們就理賠\n\n16:34.502 --> 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再來"},{"start":823.204,"end":845.317,"text":"這邊最後我具體的要求希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例提出我國農漁畜農漁產的這個生產消費提升的方案不僅限於基因定序第二個提出國家植物表形體中心應該要應用活化的方案而且要針對主要的經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫再來這些"},{"start":847.578,"end":861.305,"text":"今年供地區的一起水稻栽損以最短暫的時間完成補助你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了你什麼時候補助我高雄地區的一起水稻栽損我講明的你不在這個質詢態度上給我講出來我就絕對不給你解凍 請說"},{"start":865.083,"end":879.02,"text":"有關於那個現在目前的水道是採用水道的一個保險那水道保險在當地的水道收工後一個月之內一定會完成整個的一個保險的一個設計講時間講時間好嗎我們農民現在要聽的就是時間"},{"start":883.561,"end":901.392,"text":"我們的農會現在要聽的就是時間就是他們當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來因為我們用保險的制度那也不用去勘栽我們跟地區地區性的產量如果他比地區的產量比過去五年還低的時候那相對的如果超過20%我們就理賠了"},{"start":903.193,"end":923.971,"text":"所以是我們市政府給你之後的一個月內再補是嗎是這個意思不是不需要地方政府給我們我們會針對當地的產量做調查那那個產量如果跟過去五年的去高去低的平均好那講時間好不好現在五月中現在已經五月快底了那你要多久一個月"},{"start":925.452,"end":943.112,"text":"兩個禮拜內收穫完一個月所以我在6月今天5月幾號今天5月18號那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助喔我要跟委員講喔我是說收穫後一個月但是現在高雄地區現在還在收啊"},{"start":944.787,"end":964.329,"text":"收購完一個月部長 嘗試講人民聽得懂的話你只要講人民說 來各位農民我告訴你在6月30號以前你會完成補助在7月15號以前你會完成補助這才叫人民聽得懂的話中間的程序是我們的問題"},{"start":965.41,"end":992.161,"text":"是你要去督促各農漁會去公所那去這個我這個是政府這是你們自己去協調的我跟委員報告說人家你們聽得懂嗎現在目前我們不是用天然災害的救助的系統我們用農業保險農業保險第一個就是那個地區收穫完我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低如果低20%的時候一個月之內我們就理賠"},{"start":994.502,"end":1009.21,"text":"好 所以時間大概就是等高雄區 因為不同的地區會不同的時間我們以高雄地區大概大概是六月底七月中之前七月中 七月十號以前這樣我們大家都聽到了我們所有農會 我們所有農民請到來都聽到七月中旬以前我們農業部會完成所有的補助好 謝謝 以上"},{"start":1019.068,"end":1031.358,"text":"這個要超過百分之二十的喔好要超過百分之二十喔所以如果民調好喔我們高雄的都民調好喔大樓米都要都民調好喔請到來喔你如果又不超過百分之二十我們是站不住的喔好 謝謝好謝謝林戴華委員那我們下一位請邱益銀委員質詢"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":156,"blocks":[["林委員岱樺：（9時23分）有請部長。"],["主席：請部長。"],["陳部長駿季：委員早。"],["林委員岱樺：部長，市場開放這件事情，對等關稅所引來的市場開放，確實讓我們農民驚慌不已，本席也認為在中長期來講，農業智慧化才能面對全球的挑戰，所以有幾個議題，第一個，對等關稅的衝擊；第二個，農產業競爭力提升的問題；第三個，在國際經驗的分享當中，我們是否可以再做一些借鏡？第四個，畜產種原資料網的功能貧乏；第五個，在農業決策的部分，農業雲端大數據平臺根本沒有啟動；第六個，面對極端氣候問題常年困擾，也就是本席現在念茲在茲的，就是大寮、美濃的水稻空包彈，這也是跟氣候有關，只是你們不認定而已。包括之前的美濃、杉林小番茄的瘋欉，你們也不認定它是氣候變遷所帶來的，你們認為是病蟲害，可是極端氣候確實在發生，你們要怎麼提供農友更好的方案呢？而不是每次我們都跟你們要補助，補助當然重要，但是重點是要防患於未然，而不是年復一年的一直在處理同樣的問題；第七個，包括這次您催生的國家植物表型體中心，這個本席非常的肯定，但是你們的作法需要調整。","從對等關稅談起已造成人民的恐慌，上週我們在審查「強化社會及國土安全韌性特別條例草案」的時候，本席就有提到，面對市場的開放，我們的農、畜產應該要參考國際經驗跟先進技術導入的精準農、漁、牧業的產業升級，而先進技術當中，除了本席一直倡議的基因定序，這其實只是其中一項而已。而且利用市場的力量結合政策工具，重點是什麼？縮小國內農、漁、牧產業跟國際的生產成本差距，這樣才能不怕國際競爭！但是我們有沒有做到？重點是縮小國內農、漁、牧產業跟國際的生產成本差距。我們農民是不怕苦的，我是擔心被國外低價農產品的價值破壞。","從本席做國會議員到現在，爬梳我們農產業至今競爭力提升的問題，有四項：第一個，農業部資源投入多強調在補助跟補貼，補助當然重要，它的重點是即時性的保障我們的農民，但是對於以小農為主的臺灣，我國農業競爭力提升卻是非常有限的。第二個，推動重點多數在農民的硬體建設，但是在農業的共用基礎設施跟農業軟實力提升上，成效是有限的。什麼叫做硬體設備？我們有沒有補助農機設的改善？有。我們有沒有補助冷鏈？有。我們這次有沒有花大量的經費補助溫室？有，這個也該做，但是我們現在應該要提升了。您這邊累積了歷任部長、主委的經驗後，現在你要做的是共用基礎設施跟農業軟實力的提升，這是你應該要做的。第三個，推動智慧農業的方案多數在農業自動化，也就是說，成功的案場數相對有限，本席長期主張的就是農業決策，你部長跟你所有一級主管機關的農業決策智慧化跟精準化，有啦！你們有做啦！部本部裡面的行政流程，像是公文、財務等等，這你們有做。然後我最在意的就是農漁會合作社，他們的進、銷、存、肥料等，甚至會計，有沒有整合這樣的雲端平臺？沒有！我倡議了好久，你們也來跟我講了好幾次，到現在你們的結論是什麼？還是讓各農會去做。我不需要農會，我講明了，我也要替農會講話，你不可以去取他的會籍資料，這是他們最怕的。但是其他要讓你做農業決策的部分，相關訊息去識別化之後，你是可以做的。現在的農糧署署長陳俊言很認真，他其實是很了解狀況的人，利弊得失、農民在想什麼，他都很清楚，連他們在意的是什麼，他都很清楚，但是不好意思，到你這邊做了決策之後，確實還是回歸現況。第四個，農產業研究資源過於分散，你們都給各大學去做，資料分散，你給各大學做，我也沒意見喔！重點是部本部相關的農業、相關的資訊有沒有統整起來？而且缺乏重點經濟物種核心計畫。","我們來看國際成功經驗──愛爾蘭的乳牛，我們只會說人家好，但好在哪裡？其實我們也在這個軌跡上在走，你看左邊，這是愛爾蘭養牛聯合會，是一個國家支持的聯合會，它能夠讓育種率提升一倍，世代間隔縮短了60%，講白了，就是它的優生學。然後最讓我在意的是，減少每公升牛奶碳排放14%，講白話一點，就是連牛放屁都在減少碳排。我們再看右下角，挪威的鮭魚跟丹麥的豬隻，他們兩個也是一樣，這兩個是國際級的公司，他們是國際級的公司才有辦法去做這樣的精準農業，但我們是小農，怎麼辦？要靠政府啊！我們的農業部要當農民的靠山啊！不是只靠補貼，補貼當然重要，可以及時保障他，讓他不要倒下去，但是他後面的產業升級在哪裡？人家把鮭魚跟豬隻的生活週期變短、飼料成本降低，這就是開放市場之後，我們國家的農、漁、牧要怎麼去跟人家競爭嘛！他減少飼料的風險，碳排也減少了嘛！","再來，我們來看本國的，現在的畜產種原資料網，這個在網站上都有，你們從1995年至今儲存到這邊的就只有種原樣本的保存跟交換功能。第二個，完全不具備運算跟資料加值的功能，什麼意思？就是你那個叫做資料，不叫做資訊，而且僅有DNA資料，卻無表形體定序的應用。再來，我們來看奇異果，大家都說它很會行銷，其實錯了！它是從現在開始本席質詢的前20年就已經完成了基因資料的收集，所以它才能在中國廉價生產下實現價值創造。","所以我們來看看我們能不能這樣做？現況方面，我們是種原，農、畜、漁都是這樣，我們的現況就是種原保存與查詢，還沒有講到資安保護喔！我們期待它精準決策，能夠透過基因體資料庫跟AI分析來達到四個目的：提高生產效率跟收益、能夠縮短育種週期、農業碳排減量、提高農民專業性，進而我們能夠創新應用，強化農業韌性。我們一直在講農業韌性，在講什麼農業韌性呢？面對氣候變遷，抗逆境、抗病品系育成，像我們空包的水稻，包括之前小番茄的瘋欉，不都是氣候變遷造成的嗎？你們就是不承認它是天然災害，但是我可以透過這樣子的基因體資料庫跟AI分析，這個等一下我最後再跟您做討論，我的單位產量會提高，促進糧食安全。DNA條碼運用，GS1的導入，這個本席在前幾次質詢當中就提到，DNA條碼結合2027年全球要推動的GS1條碼應用，鑑別進口產品。","我們現在缺乏農業雲端大數據平臺，「聯邦學習」在數發部，這個是已經很成熟的學習，什麼意思？它是一個分散式AI訓練架構，各單位可以在不分享原始資料的前提下協作訓練模型，這個很重要，既可以保護各單位的私有資訊，又可以訓練最佳演算模組，這個可供所有農業從業人員增進智慧農業現場效益。我們看左邊，有A農場、B農場、C農場，這可以是私人的，左邊的農試所拉進來，在這個平臺資料加密去識別化之後，我們共同來訓練演算模型，A、B、C，包括農試所可以各自去演算，但是到這個平臺的時候，我們政府可以運用農試所，包括你部本部的連結，所以右邊是我們期待的國家農業雲大數據，因為國家農業雲大數據出來之後，背後是什麼？是你的政策、預算能夠精準，你能夠智慧的決策，這要從基礎做，從左下的生物樣本跟生物資訊，這是農、林、漁、牧都可以進來的。再來往上到基因分析資料的產出，這是我們要進展的，進而到上面我們的應用平臺，進而再到你的國家數據。但是當到應用平臺的時候，你的聯邦學習的演算模組就會出來，會上下交流，進而產生下來回歸到農試單位、農研、農企業和農民的是什麼？是生產效益提升、助益糧食生產跟農業永續發展。","我們再來看，極端氣候長年困擾，帶來病毒素等「瘋欉」狀況，讓小番茄不再生長或有結果，農糧署判斷是病蟲害，不算天災，無法啟動天災補助，所以變成由農業局提供肥料補助。有關稻米空包彈，農試所有沒有開發抗病品種？我要替你們講一下話，你們有！你們有對於空包的稻米有開發抗病品種，但沒有普及，農民、產銷班都不知道，所以都沒有普及，請你一定要給我補助下去，高雄的水稻也面臨這樣的災害問題。","接著講到這個就是您的前瞻了。我要鼓勵你一下，就是國家植物表型體中心。左邊這張圖你應該非常熟悉，植物設計導向的快速精準育種，它應該跟農試所做到最上位，因為表型體可以做環境控制。我就以水稻為例，抗旱、抗熱、抗病蟲害這三個就好了，透過環境調控，本來8月才會生長的可以提早到6月，但長得不好，所以在環境抗逆境當中，可以抗高溫又抗病蟲害的優生品種基因在哪裡？現在我要你們調整，這個做得很好給學術單位沒問題，但重點是譬如今年就做兩個，例如水稻，有好幾個方案，有的是表型體的，有的是基因檢測的，有的是什麼、什麼的，這些總合之後就是把水稻所有的數據整合在一塊，你今年做這一項就好了，會透澈到不行而且符合臺灣的環境變遷。如果你能夠做這樣的統整給各學術單位，而且很有計畫性的規劃今年做哪幾個品種，然後全部透澈研究，產生出來的結果再給農試所，之後再回饋給表型體中心，這樣才會讓農民受益、才能普及下去。這樣會有什麼好處？這個中心如果有好好做這樣數據的整合，也跟農試所結合，抗病基因跟風味基因共同選拔，利用基因體的選擇方法會提高風味，也許未來水稻會有芭樂味，以後水稻有芭樂味就是因此而來，利用擴大優良品系及種苗的生產跟供應，提出先期的檢測跟預警方案，幫助農民降低風險。因為你再怎麼補都補不足農民的損失，農民投資了200萬，你才補助多少？","最後，我具體要求，希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例，提出我國農、畜、漁產生產效益提升方案，不僅限於基因定序。第二個、提出國家植物表型體中心應該要應用活化的方案，而且要針對主要經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫。再來，今年高雄地區的一期水稻災損以最短暫的時間完成補助。你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了，什麼時候補助高雄地區的一期水稻災損？我講明，你不在這個質詢台上講出來，我就絕對不給你解凍。請說。"],["陳部長駿季：目前水稻是採用水稻保險，水稻保險在當地水稻收穫後一個月之內，一定會完成整個保險設計的給付。"],["林委員岱樺：講時間，好嗎？農民現在要聽的就是時間，農會現在要聽的就是時間。"],["陳部長駿季：一個月。當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來，因為我們是用保險的制度，也不用去勘災，如果地區性產量比過去五年還低，相對的，假如超過20%，我們就理賠，這是保險。"],["林委員岱樺：所以是市政府給你之後的一個月內再補，是嗎？是這個意思？"],["陳部長駿季：不是，不需要地方政府給我們，而是我們會針對當地的產量調查，如果產量低於過去五年趨高趨低的平均20%，一個月之內……"],["林委員岱樺：講時間，好不好？現在5月中、已經快5月底了，你要多久？一個月內？兩個禮拜內？"],["陳部長駿季：收穫完一個月。"],["林委員岱樺：好，一個月內，所以我在6月……今天5月幾號？"],["主席：5月18號。"],["林委員岱樺：今天5月18號，那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助。"],["陳部長駿季：沒有！我要跟委員講，我是說收穫後一個月，但是高雄地區現在還在收，是收穫完一個月。"],["主席：收穫完後……"],["林委員岱樺：請部長嘗試講人民聽得懂的話。"],["陳部長駿季：我講得非常清楚。"],["林委員岱樺：你只要跟各位農民說：「我告訴你，在6月30號以前會完成補助」；或「在7月15號以前會完成補助」。這才叫人民聽得懂的話，中間的程序是你們的問題。要督促各農漁會、區公所、市政府，這是你們自己要去協調的。要講人民聽得懂的話！"],["陳部長駿季：目前我們不是用天然災害救助的系統，而是用農業保險。至於農業保險，第一個就是那個地區收穫完，我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低，如果低於20%，一個月之內我們就理賠。"],["林委員岱樺：所以大概的時間呢？"],["陳部長駿季：就是等高雄區。因為不同的地區會不同的時間，以高雄地區的話……"],["林委員岱樺：我問大寮、美濃。"],["陳部長駿季：大概是6月底、7月中之前應該會理賠。"],["林委員岱樺：7月中、7月15號以前？好，這樣大家都聽到了，所有的農會、所有的稻農都聽到了。7月中旬以前農業部會完成所有的補助。謝謝，以上。"],["陳部長駿季：這個要超過20%的才有。"],["林委員岱樺：好，要超過20%，所以高雄的稻農聽好，大寮、美濃的稻農民聽好，如果沒有超過20%，是拿不到的！好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝林岱樺委員。","下一位請邱議瑩委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":130,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-13"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Kacaw","張嘉郡","謝衣鳯","陳超明","賴瑞隆","邱志偉","郭昱晴","陳冠廷","張雅琳","呂玉玲"],"page_start":67,"meetingDate":["2025-05-19"],"gazette_id":"1145101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等 30案；二、處理或\n審查114年度中央政府總預算有關公平交易委員會主管預算凍結案等8案","agenda_id":"1145101_00004"}}}