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00:02:43,622\n委員好我是法律所邱文聰那這個小組其實有針對有關著作權的部分那還有說在這個相關的學術使用上面確實有提出我們的委員會的一些想法那但是因為基本上他算是學術界自己的一個自律的一個想法所以比較沒有變成是法規上面的一個建議不過如果委員需要的話當然我們可以讓這個小組的一些建議可以提供給委員會\n\n9\n00:02:44,042 --> 00:02:58,273\n雖然說剛才您回答說這個是在學術界一個要自律的一個自我的規範但是其實相關的準則我覺得是一個非常重要的一個依據那我也希望說你們有預計最快什麼時候可以完成嗎\n\n10\n00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:24,869\n這是一個Ongoing的委員會意思就是說它會隨著AI的這個發展的進程會有不同的議題進來那這邊可不可以請您把一些你們制定的相關的一些資料可以提供的部分給我辦公室第一版的這個報告已經出來了那應該我的印象如果沒有錯應該已經有提供給大院那後續如果還有新的報告出來的話那我們也會再適時的再提供給委員會\n\n11\n00:03:25,049 --> 00:03:40,229\n好謝謝您在AI的這個科技浪潮下其實台灣我們雖然未有半導體的產業優勢但是在AI翻廠上還是需要說中研院跟國科會這邊緊密合作我也希望說我們一直在AI的賽道上我們台灣是佔有一席之地的\n\n12\n00:03:41,010 --> 00:04:03,465\n那剛剛有提到說中研院有參與TIDE的這個計畫在發展語言模型的時候語料庫的建設是非常的重要那TIDE的模型背後已經有繁體中文的這個語言資料庫那述發部這邊也發布說他們將要建設新的繁中語料庫那包含說政府部門以及私人企業的資料都會涵蓋中研院這邊針對述發部的這個語言資料庫會不會提供什麼協助或者說也會參與他們相關這個建設計畫\n\n13\n00:04:13,172 --> 00:04:34,049\n委員好,我是中研院資訊服務處陳靈芝處長那對於速發部所提出的這個語言資料庫我們會是全力配合那中研院因為台德的主要的研究模型組也是在中研院所以其實我們也非常需要也非常希望這個中文語料庫可以趕快收集更多的資料來輔助這個模型的發展\n\n14\n00:04:34,429 --> 00:04:47,319\n那我們中研院的這個他的這個計畫的這個語料庫跟速發部的這個語料庫我們會不會整合未來就能夠把相關的資源整合進來我們更全面的來發展繁中語的語言模型呢\n\n15\n00:04:48,325 --> 00:05:16,884\n那個委員好我是那個中央資訊所所長那也是現在國家精創計畫的副執行長所以關於半導體跟AI的相關的部分我有部分參與那速發部現在因為也在提很多那個計畫有相關在精創計畫裡面那剛剛講的語調庫的部分因為這個是所有的問題都是因為Deep-seek出來以後引起的因為他是從那個\n\n16\n00:05:17,404 --> 00:05:39,410\nDeepSeek它是從那個簽問就是中國的阿里巴巴那個公司一個大型語言模型所蒸餾出來的然後再加上一些自有的技術那所以這樣引起全世界的一個關注因為大型語言模型本來需要很多的建制經費但是因為它用這樣的一個方式讓一個小型模型比較小型的模型可以運作\n\n17\n00:05:40,290 --> 00:06:03,685\n而且可以用在百工百業那目前整個國科會也有一個百工百業的一個計畫大南方計畫那這個部分就是希望AI能夠應用在各行各業因為我們台灣是從中小企業起家所以在這樣的狀況之下大部分的中小企業他沒有辦法沒有那個能力財力去做一個大型圓模型\n\n18\n00:06:04,065 --> 00:06:25,075\n那政府本來就有這個義務要來做這件事情但是在蒸餾的過程中我們必須要考量到大型魚眼模型在蒸餾的過程中它其實會蘊含一些價值觀的問題如果是用鉛問的話它是從中國的阿里巴巴弄出來的所以在這個狀況之下一些價值觀當它蒸餾的時候那些價值觀是沒有辦法抹滅的\n\n19\n00:06:26,115 --> 00:06:47,083\n所以我們必須要為什麼需要做一個繁體的中文的一個環境的原因就在這裡但是這樣的狀況之下我們台灣目前為止整個算力的部分其實這是大型遠模型訓練最需要的部分但是台灣跟整個大型那處長您的意思現在就是說中研院的這個TED計畫跟塑化部將來要做這個語料庫的建制你們是會一起發展的嗎\n\n20\n00:06:54,245 --> 00:07:17,905\n這個部分還沒有談這個事情因為台德計畫它是國科會在用金創計畫向下今年編列了1.4億的預算要做這個台德的部分那台德的部分它最主要就是說適合台灣一個環境的一個大型元就是繁體制的一個環境目的是為了未來要支援各種\n\n21\n00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:46,340\n各種的不同的應用那當然是應用那些蒸餾的技術但是台灣基本上有一個最大的問題就是說因為現在大型原模型像現在Gemini什麼這些大型公司的那個大型原模型一直出來那台德的計畫其實有需要仰賴一些那些技術他一旦翻新的時候台德計畫就要因應所以在這個狀況之下因為最近因為大型原模型實在是太快了\n\n22\n00:07:47,120 --> 00:08:16,540\n幾乎每個禮拜都有一個新的模型出來所以我們也在在這個部分我們需要一點時間去琢磨那那個團隊的部分的人才也需要再擴編所以我們有很多事情還是沒有辦法一下子就做出來好謝謝處長您回答其實台灣發展這個自由語言自由的這個語言模型以及建制語料庫都是因應現在AI相關的發展那我會希望說為什麼這樣子提是希望說我們把相關的資源來整合我相信一加一絕對大於二\n\n23\n00:08:17,140 --> 00:08:42,920\n我們把相關的這些我們不管是在技術面或是在其他的執行面都可以不要各自各做各的有時候這個資源結合進來我想對你們行政部門也會相對的就會覺得說是互相支援那也相信說以中研院這個課你們的實力那我們再有相關的學者專家進來可以提供更多的助力那這個部分會後我這邊再跟你們鎖資料因為我這邊時間有限謝謝\n\n24\n00:08:47,304 --> 00:08:52,318\n那接下來我還要請何安慰主委一起我這個問題要一起問一下\n\n25\n00:08:55,905 --> 00:09:20,875\n在5月17號核三廠二號機正式除役那目前核安會的網站上看來台灣所有的核電廠機組都已經正式除役台灣正式的核電歸零那首先這邊先請教中研院那過去中研院一直對提到淨零五支箭包含去碳燃氫高效太陽能光電海洋能地熱能以及生殖碳會\n\n26\n00:09:22,316 --> 00:09:28,181\n中研院認為說我們金鈴湖世界有哪一個部分可以最快的提供能源的行列跟委員報告這位我要不要請環面中心陳玉高主任來回答\n\n27\n00:09:37,489 --> 00:09:50,933\n委員好剛才五支建裡面前四支都是跟能源有關係的我們走在最前面的是去攤燃清現在已經進展得蠻迅速的大概兩年內就可以完成示範機組的借接\n\n28\n00:09:53,554 --> 00:10:09,394\n接下来就是太阳能光电的高效这部分现在也有很多的进展在媒体上我们也已经公布它已经可以达到31.5的转换效率另外两项可能要到明年才会有比较好的成绩先跟委员报告到这边\n\n29\n00:10:09,414 --> 00:10:22,190\n所以現在比較快能夠加入這些提供能源行列的就是有去太陽燃氣的技術以及高效太陽光電的這個部分那海洋能跟低的能量要到明年可能才會有相關的成績發表這樣齁好那接下來我想請教何安慰主委喔\n\n30\n00:10:27,256 --> 00:10:39,313\n在河山場二號機除役之後,河安會繼續接下來的工作作業是什麼?除了視察除役的這個工作計畫之外,目前看起來最重要的部分有哪些?\n\n31\n00:10:44,444 --> 00:11:08,266\n修法之後呢有關現在執法我們也要相對的要修正這是目前我們馬上要面臨的問題要把執法修好除了執法修好之後我現在要請教說這相關的你們要去視察他廚藝的工作這些相關的計劃內容大概是什麼\n\n32\n00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:34,480\n跟委員說明,目前核三長二號機已經停機了那核三長一、二號機的用過燃料池裡面有燃料所以燃料的安全這部分還是要維持住也是核安衛的視察重點那除了一些準備作業包括乾燥設施啊然後還有一些長期的調查部分都是核安衛目前會督促台電公司繼續去辦理的一些事項\n\n33\n00:11:35,575 --> 00:11:51,550\n因為雖然說我們核三廠現在已經除役但是核廢料的處置我相信民眾是非常的關心那接下來關於這些核廢料處置的部分呢核安會你們如何把關該進行的程序有哪些\n\n34\n00:11:53,294 --> 00:12:11,126\n核安會每年都對台電公司最終處置計畫執行進行專案檢查那另外經濟部為了解決這事情也成立了專案辦公室要來做高放懸殖條例的立法以及高低放處置場的懸殖工作以上\n\n35\n00:12:12,193 --> 00:12:38,098\n好昨天是我們賴清德總統就職一周年那這個就職演說中有非常清楚的表達說核電廠要研議有兩個必須三個原則那其中最重要就是核安無虞核廢有解以及社會共識所以這邊我要請教核安會在所謂的安全審查的程序中有沒有包含這個基礎老化以及斷層的問題\n\n36\n00:12:39,358 --> 00:13:04,935\n這些是不是會影響核安的最重要的因素在你們的專業裡面跟委員說明當然除了電廠的設備老化的評估之外那長者一些地質調查跟耐震的強化都會納入核安會審查的一個重點之一為什麼這樣問呢因為我們的核廢料在我們核三廠這些相關的燃料棒還沒有處理完全之前它還是存在這個斷層之上\n\n37\n00:13:06,676 --> 00:13:26,307\n那在這個過程裡面雖然我們的機組是停機的但是我們相關的這些燃料棒這些核廢料還在這個斷層上面的時候我們該如何來避免相關或者說如何預防這個部分你們有怎樣的建議來提供給我們就是在做安全防護的部分\n\n38\n00:13:28,272 --> 00:13:55,360\n跟委員說明,當然那個恆春斷層這部案,離河山長址區大概有1.1公里在輔導之後,核安委要求台電公司依照美國的CHECK的程序來進行評估都有進入斷層的一些事項、斷層的危害,都納入評估那目前台電公司有針對安全停機的相關的廠房設備補強強化\n\n39\n00:13:57,661 --> 00:14:14,055\n當然如果後續台電公司提出研議申請的話就是換照申請的話這部分一定會納入重要的審查項目之一那也會要求台電公司持續的去滾動檢討相關的施政跟如果有國際的新的做法都會納進來以上說明\n\n40\n00:14:15,616 --> 00:14:21,018\n其實台灣地處在地震帶,地震這個斷層的影響是我們完全無法避免及預期的因為它什麼時候會有一個變動什麼時候會有一個這樣斷層的這個運動其實我們沒有辦法去預測到那一旦發生就是會是很危急的這個狀態那日本呢其實也有案例就是因為斷層在反應爐的下面而否決了這個核電廠研議的這樣子的例子\n\n41\n00:14:40,123 --> 00:14:44,385\n所以我希望說在野黨不要假裝不知道說這個斷層的這個疑慮這個斷層的危害在那邊然後針對其實我們賴總統就職一周年演說中提到了這個核電廠研議有兩個必須三個原則這個部分我相信也是民眾他們所擔憂的我們要有核安意識我們要有核能安全我們也要有社會共識而且核廢的處理是最重要的一端如果沒有\n\n42\n00:15:08,238 --> 00:15:16,446\n這些相關的處置能夠做得很完善的話我相信民眾也會認同我們是沒有發展核電的本錢以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t910\t回答在今日有宣布海外的總部將落腳在北市\n23864\t28306\t這個對台灣的AI產業及半導體業都是讓人感到很振奮的好消息那民眾也相當的期待輝達與台灣的產學界能夠跨界合作那輝達呢在去年將AI超級電腦的25%的算力分享給國內的AI來研發那其中呢國科獲得TAI的計畫跟中研院都有聯合申請那這邊請教副院長中研院接下來有沒有\n49737\t62610\t已經開始規劃有進一步跟輝達合作的相關的這些計畫非常謝謝委員的關心因為就是前兩天黃仁勳先生的演講中\n63727\t79819\t把台灣那個地圖畫出來還有很多很多的單位中研院的確也就在那張的他的那個投影片上面那昨天其實有揮打美國來的人員跟揮打新加坡公司\n80699\t95307\t在台灣分公司的一些人員到中研院來訪問所以我們已經在洽談一些可能的合作的情形所以在各方面但是內容我這邊不方便透露了但是已經開始\n96653\t124843\t有在讨论我们有一些哪一方面可以所以中研院这边就是对进一步的相关的合作已经有开始在规划只是这个内容现在还不宜曝光那你们在解冻报告上面也说有成立生成式AI风险研究小组会来协助制定合宜的伦理准则以及应用规范那我想请教目前我们已经开始针对不同领域来制定准则了吗\n126244\t135039\t我想請我們比較熟悉這方面有參與這方面工作的邱研究員幫我們回答\n137118\t163622\t委員好我是法律所邱文聰那這個小組其實有針對有關著作權的部分那還有說在這個相關的學術使用上面確實有提出我們的委員會的一些想法那但是因為基本上他算是學術界自己的一個自律的一個想法所以比較沒有變成是法規上面的一個建議不過如果委員需要的話當然我們可以讓這個小組的一些建議可以提供給委員會\n164042\t178273\t雖然說剛才您回答說這個是在學術界一個要自律的一個自我的規範但是其實相關的準則我覺得是一個非常重要的一個依據那我也希望說你們有預計最快什麼時候可以完成嗎\n179679\t204869\t這是一個Ongoing的委員會意思就是說它會隨著AI的這個發展的進程會有不同的議題進來那這邊可不可以請您把一些你們制定的相關的一些資料可以提供的部分給我辦公室第一版的這個報告已經出來了那應該我的印象如果沒有錯應該已經有提供給大院那後續如果還有新的報告出來的話那我們也會再適時的再提供給委員會\n205049\t220229\t好 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謝謝處長您回答其實台灣發展這個自由語言自由的這個語言模型以及建制語料庫都是因應現在AI相關的發展那我會希望說為什麼這樣子提是希望說我們把相關的資源來整合我相信一加一絕對大於二\n497140\t522920\t我們把相關的這些我們不管是在技術面或是在其他的執行面都可以不要各自各做各的有時候這個資源結合進來我想對你們行政部門也會相對的就會覺得說是互相支援那也相信說以中研院這個課你們的實力那我們再有相關的學者專家進來可以提供更多的助力那這個部分會後我這邊再跟你們鎖資料因為我這邊時間有限謝謝\n527304\t532318\t那接下來我還要請何安慰主委一起我這個問題要一起問一下\n535905\t560875\t在5月17號核三廠二號機正式除役那目前核安會的網站上看來台灣所有的核電廠機組都已經正式除役台灣正式的核電歸零那首先這邊先請教中研院那過去中研院一直對提到淨零五支箭包含去碳燃氫 高效太陽能 光電海洋能 地熱能 以及生殖碳會\n562316\t568181\t中研院認為說我們金鈴湖世界有哪一個部分可以最快的提供能源的行列跟委員報告 這位我要不要請環面中心陳玉高主任來回答\n577489\t590933\t委員好 剛才五支建裡面前四支都是跟能源有關係的我們走在最前面的是去攤燃清現在已經進展得蠻迅速的大概兩年內就可以完成示範機組的借接\n593554\t609394\t接下来就是太阳能光电的高效这部分现在也有很多的进展在媒体上我们也已经公布它已经可以达到31.5的转换效率另外两项可能要到明年才会有比较好的成绩先跟委员报告到这边\n609414\t622190\t所以現在比較快能夠加入這些提供能源行列的就是有去太陽燃氣的技術以及高效太陽光電的這個部分那海洋能跟低的能量要到明年可能才會有相關的成績發表這樣齁好那接下來我想請教何安慰主委喔\n627256\t639313\t在河山場二號機除役之後,河安會繼續接下來的工作作業是什麼?除了視察除役的這個工作計畫之外,目前看起來最重要的部分有哪些?\n644444\t668266\t修法之後呢有關現在執法我們也要相對的要修正這是目前我們馬上要面臨的問題要把執法修好除了執法修好之後我現在要請教說這相關的你們要去視察他廚藝的工作這些相關的計劃內容大概是什麼\n670147\t694480\t跟委員說明,目前核三長二號機已經停機了那核三長一、二號機的用過燃料池裡面有燃料所以燃料的安全這部分還是要維持住也是核安衛的視察重點那除了一些準備作業包括乾燥設施啊然後還有一些長期的調查部分都是核安衛目前會督促台電公司繼續去辦理的一些事項\n695575\t711550\t因為雖然說我們核三廠現在已經除役但是核廢料的處置我相信民眾是非常的關心那接下來關於這些核廢料處置的部分呢核安會你們如何把關該進行的程序有哪些\n713294\t731126\t核安會每年都對台電公司最終處置計畫執行進行專案檢查那另外經濟部為了解決這事情也成立了專案辦公室要來做高放懸殖條例的立法以及高低放處置場的懸殖工作以上\n732193\t758098\t好 昨天是我們賴清德總統就職一周年那這個就職演說中有非常清楚的表達說核電廠要研議有兩個必須三個原則那其中最重要就是核安無虞 核廢有解以及社會共識所以這邊我要請教核安會在所謂的安全審查的程序中有沒有包含這個基礎老化以及斷層的問題\n759358\t784935\t這些是不是會影響核安的最重要的因素在你們的專業裡面跟委員說明當然除了電廠的設備老化的評估之外那長者一些地質調查跟耐震的強化都會納入核安會審查的一個重點之一為什麼這樣問呢因為我們的核廢料在我們核三廠這些相關的燃料棒還沒有處理完全之前它還是存在這個斷層之上\n786676\t806307\t那在這個過程裡面雖然我們的機組是停機的但是我們相關的這些燃料棒這些核廢料還在這個斷層上面的時候我們該如何來避免相關或者說如何預防這個部分你們有怎樣的建議來提供給我們就是在做安全防護的部分\n808272\t835360\t跟委員說明,當然那個恆春斷層這部案,離河山長址區大概有1.1公里在輔導之後,核安委要求台電公司依照美國的CHECK的程序來進行評估都有進入斷層的一些事項、斷層的危害,都納入評估那目前台電公司有針對安全停機的相關的廠房設備補強強化\n837661\t854055\t當然如果後續台電公司提出研議申請的話就是換照申請的話這部分一定會納入重要的審查項目之一那也會要求台電公司持續的去滾動檢討相關的施政跟如果有國際的新的做法都會納進來以上說明\n855616\t861018\t其實台灣地處在地震帶,地震這個斷層的影響是我們完全無法避免及預期的因為它什麼時候會有一個變動什麼時候會有一個這樣斷層的這個運動其實我們沒有辦法去預測到那一旦發生就是會是很危急的這個狀態那日本呢其實也有案例就是因為斷層在反應爐的下面而否決了這個核電廠研議的這樣子的例子\n880123\t884385\t所以我希望說在野黨不要假裝不知道說這個斷層的這個疑慮這個斷層的危害在那邊然後針對其實我們賴總統就職一周年演說中提到了這個核電廠研議有兩個必須三個原則這個部分我相信也是民眾他們所擔憂的我們要有核安意識我們要有核能安全我們也要有社會共識而且核廢的處理是最重要的一端如果沒有\n908238\t916446\t這些相關的處置能夠做得很完善的話我相信民眾也會認同我們是沒有發展核電的本錢以上 謝謝\n","txt":"回答在今日有宣布海外的總部將落腳在北市\n這個對台灣的AI產業及半導體業都是讓人感到很振奮的好消息那民眾也相當的期待輝達與台灣的產學界能夠跨界合作那輝達呢在去年將AI超級電腦的25%的算力分享給國內的AI來研發那其中呢國科獲得TAI的計畫跟中研院都有聯合申請那這邊請教副院長中研院接下來有沒有\n已經開始規劃有進一步跟輝達合作的相關的這些計畫非常謝謝委員的關心因為就是前兩天黃仁勳先生的演講中\n把台灣那個地圖畫出來還有很多很多的單位中研院的確也就在那張的他的那個投影片上面那昨天其實有揮打美國來的人員跟揮打新加坡公司\n在台灣分公司的一些人員到中研院來訪問所以我們已經在洽談一些可能的合作的情形所以在各方面但是內容我這邊不方便透露了但是已經開始\n有在讨论我们有一些哪一方面可以所以中研院这边就是对进一步的相关的合作已经有开始在规划只是这个内容现在还不宜曝光那你们在解冻报告上面也说有成立生成式AI风险研究小组会来协助制定合宜的伦理准则以及应用规范那我想请教目前我们已经开始针对不同领域来制定准则了吗\n我想請我們比較熟悉這方面有參與這方面工作的邱研究員幫我們回答\n委員好我是法律所邱文聰那這個小組其實有針對有關著作權的部分那還有說在這個相關的學術使用上面確實有提出我們的委員會的一些想法那但是因為基本上他算是學術界自己的一個自律的一個想法所以比較沒有變成是法規上面的一個建議不過如果委員需要的話當然我們可以讓這個小組的一些建議可以提供給委員會\n雖然說剛才您回答說這個是在學術界一個要自律的一個自我的規範但是其實相關的準則我覺得是一個非常重要的一個依據那我也希望說你們有預計最快什麼時候可以完成嗎\n這是一個Ongoing的委員會意思就是說它會隨著AI的這個發展的進程會有不同的議題進來那這邊可不可以請您把一些你們制定的相關的一些資料可以提供的部分給我辦公室第一版的這個報告已經出來了那應該我的印象如果沒有錯應該已經有提供給大院那後續如果還有新的報告出來的話那我們也會再適時的再提供給委員會\n好 謝謝您在AI的這個科技浪潮下其實台灣我們雖然未有半導體的產業優勢但是在AI翻廠上還是需要說中研院跟國科會這邊緊密合作我也希望說我們一直在AI的賽道上我們台灣是佔有一席之地的\n那剛剛有提到說中研院有參與TIDE的這個計畫在發展語言模型的時候語料庫的建設是非常的重要那TIDE的模型背後已經有繁體中文的這個語言資料庫那述發部這邊也發布說他們將要建設新的繁中語料庫那包含說政府部門以及私人企業的資料都會涵蓋中研院這邊針對述發部的這個語言資料庫會不會提供什麼協助或者說也會參與他們相關這個建設計畫\n委員好,我是中研院資訊服務處陳靈芝處長那對於速發部所提出的這個語言資料庫我們會是全力配合那中研院因為台德的主要的研究模型組也是在中研院所以其實我們也非常需要也非常希望這個中文語料庫可以趕快收集更多的資料來輔助這個模型的發展\n那我們中研院的這個他的這個計畫的這個語料庫跟速發部的這個語料庫我們會不會整合未來就能夠把相關的資源整合進來我們更全面的來發展繁中語的語言模型呢\n那個委員好我是那個中央資訊所所長那也是現在國家精創計畫的副執行長所以關於半導體跟AI的相關的部分我有部分參與那速發部現在因為也在提很多那個計畫有相關在精創計畫裡面那剛剛講的語調庫的部分因為這個是所有的問題都是因為Deep-seek出來以後引起的因為他是從那個\nDeepSeek它是從那個簽問就是中國的阿里巴巴那個公司一個大型語言模型所蒸餾出來的然後再加上一些自有的技術那所以這樣引起全世界的一個關注因為大型語言模型本來需要很多的建制經費但是因為它用這樣的一個方式讓一個小型模型比較小型的模型可以運作\n而且可以用在百工百業那目前整個國科會也有一個百工百業的一個計畫大南方計畫那這個部分就是希望AI能夠應用在各行各業因為我們台灣是從中小企業起家所以在這樣的狀況之下大部分的中小企業他沒有辦法沒有那個能力財力去做一個大型圓模型\n那政府本來就有這個義務要來做這件事情但是在蒸餾的過程中我們必須要考量到大型魚眼模型在蒸餾的過程中它其實會蘊含一些價值觀的問題如果是用鉛問的話它是從中國的阿里巴巴弄出來的所以在這個狀況之下一些價值觀當它蒸餾的時候那些價值觀是沒有辦法抹滅的\n所以我們必須要為什麼需要做一個繁體的中文的一個環境的原因就在這裡但是這樣的狀況之下我們台灣目前為止整個算力的部分其實這是大型遠模型訓練最需要的部分但是台灣跟整個大型那處長您的意思現在就是說中研院的這個TED計畫跟塑化部將來要做這個語料庫的建制你們是會一起發展的嗎\n這個部分還沒有談這個事情因為台德計畫它是國科會在用金創計畫向下今年編列了1.4億的預算要做這個台德的部分那台德的部分它最主要就是說適合台灣一個環境的一個大型元就是繁體制的一個環境目的是為了未來要支援各種\n各種的不同的應用那當然是應用那些蒸餾的技術但是台灣基本上有一個最大的問題就是說因為現在大型原模型像現在Gemini什麼這些大型公司的那個大型原模型一直出來那台德的計畫其實有需要仰賴一些那些技術他一旦翻新的時候台德計畫就要因應所以在這個狀況之下因為最近因為大型原模型實在是太快了\n幾乎每個禮拜都有一個新的模型出來所以我們也在在這個部分我們需要一點時間去琢磨那那個團隊的部分的人才也需要再擴編所以我們有很多事情還是沒有辦法一下子就做出來好 謝謝處長您回答其實台灣發展這個自由語言自由的這個語言模型以及建制語料庫都是因應現在AI相關的發展那我會希望說為什麼這樣子提是希望說我們把相關的資源來整合我相信一加一絕對大於二\n我們把相關的這些我們不管是在技術面或是在其他的執行面都可以不要各自各做各的有時候這個資源結合進來我想對你們行政部門也會相對的就會覺得說是互相支援那也相信說以中研院這個課你們的實力那我們再有相關的學者專家進來可以提供更多的助力那這個部分會後我這邊再跟你們鎖資料因為我這邊時間有限謝謝\n那接下來我還要請何安慰主委一起我這個問題要一起問一下\n在5月17號核三廠二號機正式除役那目前核安會的網站上看來台灣所有的核電廠機組都已經正式除役台灣正式的核電歸零那首先這邊先請教中研院那過去中研院一直對提到淨零五支箭包含去碳燃氫 高效太陽能 光電海洋能 地熱能 以及生殖碳會\n中研院認為說我們金鈴湖世界有哪一個部分可以最快的提供能源的行列跟委員報告 這位我要不要請環面中心陳玉高主任來回答\n委員好 剛才五支建裡面前四支都是跟能源有關係的我們走在最前面的是去攤燃清現在已經進展得蠻迅速的大概兩年內就可以完成示範機組的借接\n接下来就是太阳能光电的高效这部分现在也有很多的进展在媒体上我们也已经公布它已经可以达到31.5的转换效率另外两项可能要到明年才会有比较好的成绩先跟委员报告到这边\n所以現在比較快能夠加入這些提供能源行列的就是有去太陽燃氣的技術以及高效太陽光電的這個部分那海洋能跟低的能量要到明年可能才會有相關的成績發表這樣齁好那接下來我想請教何安慰主委喔\n在河山場二號機除役之後,河安會繼續接下來的工作作業是什麼?除了視察除役的這個工作計畫之外,目前看起來最重要的部分有哪些?\n修法之後呢有關現在執法我們也要相對的要修正這是目前我們馬上要面臨的問題要把執法修好除了執法修好之後我現在要請教說這相關的你們要去視察他廚藝的工作這些相關的計劃內容大概是什麼\n跟委員說明,目前核三長二號機已經停機了那核三長一、二號機的用過燃料池裡面有燃料所以燃料的安全這部分還是要維持住也是核安衛的視察重點那除了一些準備作業包括乾燥設施啊然後還有一些長期的調查部分都是核安衛目前會督促台電公司繼續去辦理的一些事項\n因為雖然說我們核三廠現在已經除役但是核廢料的處置我相信民眾是非常的關心那接下來關於這些核廢料處置的部分呢核安會你們如何把關該進行的程序有哪些\n核安會每年都對台電公司最終處置計畫執行進行專案檢查那另外經濟部為了解決這事情也成立了專案辦公室要來做高放懸殖條例的立法以及高低放處置場的懸殖工作以上\n好 昨天是我們賴清德總統就職一周年那這個就職演說中有非常清楚的表達說核電廠要研議有兩個必須三個原則那其中最重要就是核安無虞 核廢有解以及社會共識所以這邊我要請教核安會在所謂的安全審查的程序中有沒有包含這個基礎老化以及斷層的問題\n這些是不是會影響核安的最重要的因素在你們的專業裡面跟委員說明當然除了電廠的設備老化的評估之外那長者一些地質調查跟耐震的強化都會納入核安會審查的一個重點之一為什麼這樣問呢因為我們的核廢料在我們核三廠這些相關的燃料棒還沒有處理完全之前它還是存在這個斷層之上\n那在這個過程裡面雖然我們的機組是停機的但是我們相關的這些燃料棒這些核廢料還在這個斷層上面的時候我們該如何來避免相關或者說如何預防這個部分你們有怎樣的建議來提供給我們就是在做安全防護的部分\n跟委員說明,當然那個恆春斷層這部案,離河山長址區大概有1.1公里在輔導之後,核安委要求台電公司依照美國的CHECK的程序來進行評估都有進入斷層的一些事項、斷層的危害,都納入評估那目前台電公司有針對安全停機的相關的廠房設備補強強化\n當然如果後續台電公司提出研議申請的話就是換照申請的話這部分一定會納入重要的審查項目之一那也會要求台電公司持續的去滾動檢討相關的施政跟如果有國際的新的做法都會納進來以上說明\n其實台灣地處在地震帶,地震這個斷層的影響是我們完全無法避免及預期的因為它什麼時候會有一個變動什麼時候會有一個這樣斷層的這個運動其實我們沒有辦法去預測到那一旦發生就是會是很危急的這個狀態那日本呢其實也有案例就是因為斷層在反應爐的下面而否決了這個核電廠研議的這樣子的例子\n所以我希望說在野黨不要假裝不知道說這個斷層的這個疑慮這個斷層的危害在那邊然後針對其實我們賴總統就職一周年演說中提到了這個核電廠研議有兩個必須三個原則這個部分我相信也是民眾他們所擔憂的我們要有核安意識我們要有核能安全我們也要有社會共識而且核廢的處理是最重要的一端如果沒有\n這些相關的處置能夠做得很完善的話我相信民眾也會認同我們是沒有發展核電的本錢以上 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.910\n回答在今日有宣布海外的總部將落腳在北市\n\n00:23.864 --> 00:28.306\n這個對台灣的AI產業及半導體業都是讓人感到很振奮的好消息那民眾也相當的期待輝達與台灣的產學界能夠跨界合作那輝達呢在去年將AI超級電腦的25%的算力分享給國內的AI來研發那其中呢國科獲得TAI的計畫跟中研院都有聯合申請那這邊請教副院長中研院接下來有沒有\n\n00:49.737 --> 01:02.610\n已經開始規劃有進一步跟輝達合作的相關的這些計畫非常謝謝委員的關心因為就是前兩天黃仁勳先生的演講中\n\n01:03.727 --> 01:19.819\n把台灣那個地圖畫出來還有很多很多的單位中研院的確也就在那張的他的那個投影片上面那昨天其實有揮打美國來的人員跟揮打新加坡公司\n\n01:20.699 --> 01:35.307\n在台灣分公司的一些人員到中研院來訪問所以我們已經在洽談一些可能的合作的情形所以在各方面但是內容我這邊不方便透露了但是已經開始\n\n01:36.653 --> 02:04.843\n有在讨论我们有一些哪一方面可以所以中研院这边就是对进一步的相关的合作已经有开始在规划只是这个内容现在还不宜曝光那你们在解冻报告上面也说有成立生成式AI风险研究小组会来协助制定合宜的伦理准则以及应用规范那我想请教目前我们已经开始针对不同领域来制定准则了吗\n\n02:06.244 --> 02:15.039\n我想請我們比較熟悉這方面有參與這方面工作的邱研究員幫我們回答\n\n02:17.118 --> 02:43.622\n委員好我是法律所邱文聰那這個小組其實有針對有關著作權的部分那還有說在這個相關的學術使用上面確實有提出我們的委員會的一些想法那但是因為基本上他算是學術界自己的一個自律的一個想法所以比較沒有變成是法規上面的一個建議不過如果委員需要的話當然我們可以讓這個小組的一些建議可以提供給委員會\n\n02:44.042 --> 02:58.273\n雖然說剛才您回答說這個是在學術界一個要自律的一個自我的規範但是其實相關的準則我覺得是一個非常重要的一個依據那我也希望說你們有預計最快什麼時候可以完成嗎\n\n02:59.679 --> 03:24.869\n這是一個Ongoing的委員會意思就是說它會隨著AI的這個發展的進程會有不同的議題進來那這邊可不可以請您把一些你們制定的相關的一些資料可以提供的部分給我辦公室第一版的這個報告已經出來了那應該我的印象如果沒有錯應該已經有提供給大院那後續如果還有新的報告出來的話那我們也會再適時的再提供給委員會\n\n03:25.049 --> 03:40.229\n好謝謝您在AI的這個科技浪潮下其實台灣我們雖然未有半導體的產業優勢但是在AI翻廠上還是需要說中研院跟國科會這邊緊密合作我也希望說我們一直在AI的賽道上我們台灣是佔有一席之地的\n\n03:41.010 --> 04:03.465\n那剛剛有提到說中研院有參與TIDE的這個計畫在發展語言模型的時候語料庫的建設是非常的重要那TIDE的模型背後已經有繁體中文的這個語言資料庫那述發部這邊也發布說他們將要建設新的繁中語料庫那包含說政府部門以及私人企業的資料都會涵蓋中研院這邊針對述發部的這個語言資料庫會不會提供什麼協助或者說也會參與他們相關這個建設計畫\n\n04:13.172 --> 04:34.049\n委員好,我是中研院資訊服務處陳靈芝處長那對於速發部所提出的這個語言資料庫我們會是全力配合那中研院因為台德的主要的研究模型組也是在中研院所以其實我們也非常需要也非常希望這個中文語料庫可以趕快收集更多的資料來輔助這個模型的發展\n\n04:34.429 --> 04:47.319\n那我們中研院的這個他的這個計畫的這個語料庫跟速發部的這個語料庫我們會不會整合未來就能夠把相關的資源整合進來我們更全面的來發展繁中語的語言模型呢\n\n04:48.325 --> 05:16.884\n那個委員好我是那個中央資訊所所長那也是現在國家精創計畫的副執行長所以關於半導體跟AI的相關的部分我有部分參與那速發部現在因為也在提很多那個計畫有相關在精創計畫裡面那剛剛講的語調庫的部分因為這個是所有的問題都是因為Deep-seek出來以後引起的因為他是從那個\n\n05:17.404 --> 05:39.410\nDeepSeek它是從那個簽問就是中國的阿里巴巴那個公司一個大型語言模型所蒸餾出來的然後再加上一些自有的技術那所以這樣引起全世界的一個關注因為大型語言模型本來需要很多的建制經費但是因為它用這樣的一個方式讓一個小型模型比較小型的模型可以運作\n\n05:40.290 --> 06:03.685\n而且可以用在百工百業那目前整個國科會也有一個百工百業的一個計畫大南方計畫那這個部分就是希望AI能夠應用在各行各業因為我們台灣是從中小企業起家所以在這樣的狀況之下大部分的中小企業他沒有辦法沒有那個能力財力去做一個大型圓模型\n\n06:04.065 --> 06:25.075\n那政府本來就有這個義務要來做這件事情但是在蒸餾的過程中我們必須要考量到大型魚眼模型在蒸餾的過程中它其實會蘊含一些價值觀的問題如果是用鉛問的話它是從中國的阿里巴巴弄出來的所以在這個狀況之下一些價值觀當它蒸餾的時候那些價值觀是沒有辦法抹滅的\n\n06:26.115 --> 06:47.083\n所以我們必須要為什麼需要做一個繁體的中文的一個環境的原因就在這裡但是這樣的狀況之下我們台灣目前為止整個算力的部分其實這是大型遠模型訓練最需要的部分但是台灣跟整個大型那處長您的意思現在就是說中研院的這個TED計畫跟塑化部將來要做這個語料庫的建制你們是會一起發展的嗎\n\n06:54.245 --> 07:17.905\n這個部分還沒有談這個事情因為台德計畫它是國科會在用金創計畫向下今年編列了1.4億的預算要做這個台德的部分那台德的部分它最主要就是說適合台灣一個環境的一個大型元就是繁體制的一個環境目的是為了未來要支援各種\n\n07:18.786 --> 07:46.340\n各種的不同的應用那當然是應用那些蒸餾的技術但是台灣基本上有一個最大的問題就是說因為現在大型原模型像現在Gemini什麼這些大型公司的那個大型原模型一直出來那台德的計畫其實有需要仰賴一些那些技術他一旦翻新的時候台德計畫就要因應所以在這個狀況之下因為最近因為大型原模型實在是太快了\n\n07:47.120 --> 08:16.540\n幾乎每個禮拜都有一個新的模型出來所以我們也在在這個部分我們需要一點時間去琢磨那那個團隊的部分的人才也需要再擴編所以我們有很多事情還是沒有辦法一下子就做出來好謝謝處長您回答其實台灣發展這個自由語言自由的這個語言模型以及建制語料庫都是因應現在AI相關的發展那我會希望說為什麼這樣子提是希望說我們把相關的資源來整合我相信一加一絕對大於二\n\n08:17.140 --> 08:42.920\n我們把相關的這些我們不管是在技術面或是在其他的執行面都可以不要各自各做各的有時候這個資源結合進來我想對你們行政部門也會相對的就會覺得說是互相支援那也相信說以中研院這個課你們的實力那我們再有相關的學者專家進來可以提供更多的助力那這個部分會後我這邊再跟你們鎖資料因為我這邊時間有限謝謝\n\n08:47.304 --> 08:52.318\n那接下來我還要請何安慰主委一起我這個問題要一起問一下\n\n08:55.905 --> 09:20.875\n在5月17號核三廠二號機正式除役那目前核安會的網站上看來台灣所有的核電廠機組都已經正式除役台灣正式的核電歸零那首先這邊先請教中研院那過去中研院一直對提到淨零五支箭包含去碳燃氫高效太陽能光電海洋能地熱能以及生殖碳會\n\n09:22.316 --> 09:28.181\n中研院認為說我們金鈴湖世界有哪一個部分可以最快的提供能源的行列跟委員報告這位我要不要請環面中心陳玉高主任來回答\n\n09:37.489 --> 09:50.933\n委員好剛才五支建裡面前四支都是跟能源有關係的我們走在最前面的是去攤燃清現在已經進展得蠻迅速的大概兩年內就可以完成示範機組的借接\n\n09:53.554 --> 10:09.394\n接下来就是太阳能光电的高效这部分现在也有很多的进展在媒体上我们也已经公布它已经可以达到31.5的转换效率另外两项可能要到明年才会有比较好的成绩先跟委员报告到这边\n\n10:09.414 --> 10:22.190\n所以現在比較快能夠加入這些提供能源行列的就是有去太陽燃氣的技術以及高效太陽光電的這個部分那海洋能跟低的能量要到明年可能才會有相關的成績發表這樣齁好那接下來我想請教何安慰主委喔\n\n10:27.256 --> 10:39.313\n在河山場二號機除役之後,河安會繼續接下來的工作作業是什麼?除了視察除役的這個工作計畫之外,目前看起來最重要的部分有哪些?\n\n10:44.444 --> 11:08.266\n修法之後呢有關現在執法我們也要相對的要修正這是目前我們馬上要面臨的問題要把執法修好除了執法修好之後我現在要請教說這相關的你們要去視察他廚藝的工作這些相關的計劃內容大概是什麼\n\n11:10.147 --> 11:34.480\n跟委員說明,目前核三長二號機已經停機了那核三長一、二號機的用過燃料池裡面有燃料所以燃料的安全這部分還是要維持住也是核安衛的視察重點那除了一些準備作業包括乾燥設施啊然後還有一些長期的調查部分都是核安衛目前會督促台電公司繼續去辦理的一些事項\n\n11:35.575 --> 11:51.550\n因為雖然說我們核三廠現在已經除役但是核廢料的處置我相信民眾是非常的關心那接下來關於這些核廢料處置的部分呢核安會你們如何把關該進行的程序有哪些\n\n11:53.294 --> 12:11.126\n核安會每年都對台電公司最終處置計畫執行進行專案檢查那另外經濟部為了解決這事情也成立了專案辦公室要來做高放懸殖條例的立法以及高低放處置場的懸殖工作以上\n\n12:12.193 --> 12:38.098\n好昨天是我們賴清德總統就職一周年那這個就職演說中有非常清楚的表達說核電廠要研議有兩個必須三個原則那其中最重要就是核安無虞核廢有解以及社會共識所以這邊我要請教核安會在所謂的安全審查的程序中有沒有包含這個基礎老化以及斷層的問題\n\n12:39.358 --> 13:04.935\n這些是不是會影響核安的最重要的因素在你們的專業裡面跟委員說明當然除了電廠的設備老化的評估之外那長者一些地質調查跟耐震的強化都會納入核安會審查的一個重點之一為什麼這樣問呢因為我們的核廢料在我們核三廠這些相關的燃料棒還沒有處理完全之前它還是存在這個斷層之上\n\n13:06.676 --> 13:26.307\n那在這個過程裡面雖然我們的機組是停機的但是我們相關的這些燃料棒這些核廢料還在這個斷層上面的時候我們該如何來避免相關或者說如何預防這個部分你們有怎樣的建議來提供給我們就是在做安全防護的部分\n\n13:28.272 --> 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15:16.446\n這些相關的處置能夠做得很完善的話我相信民眾也會認同我們是沒有發展核電的本錢以上謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.009,"end":0.91,"text":"回答在今日有宣布海外的總部將落腳在北市"},{"start":23.864,"end":28.306,"text":"這個對台灣的AI產業及半導體業都是讓人感到很振奮的好消息那民眾也相當的期待輝達與台灣的產學界能夠跨界合作那輝達呢在去年將AI超級電腦的25%的算力分享給國內的AI來研發那其中呢國科獲得TAI的計畫跟中研院都有聯合申請那這邊請教副院長中研院接下來有沒有"},{"start":49.737,"end":62.61,"text":"已經開始規劃有進一步跟輝達合作的相關的這些計畫非常謝謝委員的關心因為就是前兩天黃仁勳先生的演講中"},{"start":63.727,"end":79.819,"text":"把台灣那個地圖畫出來還有很多很多的單位中研院的確也就在那張的他的那個投影片上面那昨天其實有揮打美國來的人員跟揮打新加坡公司"},{"start":80.699,"end":95.307,"text":"在台灣分公司的一些人員到中研院來訪問所以我們已經在洽談一些可能的合作的情形所以在各方面但是內容我這邊不方便透露了但是已經開始"},{"start":96.653,"end":124.843,"text":"有在讨论我们有一些哪一方面可以所以中研院这边就是对进一步的相关的合作已经有开始在规划只是这个内容现在还不宜曝光那你们在解冻报告上面也说有成立生成式AI风险研究小组会来协助制定合宜的伦理准则以及应用规范那我想请教目前我们已经开始针对不同领域来制定准则了吗"},{"start":126.244,"end":135.039,"text":"我想請我們比較熟悉這方面有參與這方面工作的邱研究員幫我們回答"},{"start":137.118,"end":163.622,"text":"委員好我是法律所邱文聰那這個小組其實有針對有關著作權的部分那還有說在這個相關的學術使用上面確實有提出我們的委員會的一些想法那但是因為基本上他算是學術界自己的一個自律的一個想法所以比較沒有變成是法規上面的一個建議不過如果委員需要的話當然我們可以讓這個小組的一些建議可以提供給委員會"},{"start":164.042,"end":178.273,"text":"雖然說剛才您回答說這個是在學術界一個要自律的一個自我的規範但是其實相關的準則我覺得是一個非常重要的一個依據那我也希望說你們有預計最快什麼時候可以完成嗎"},{"start":179.679,"end":204.869,"text":"這是一個Ongoing的委員會意思就是說它會隨著AI的這個發展的進程會有不同的議題進來那這邊可不可以請您把一些你們制定的相關的一些資料可以提供的部分給我辦公室第一版的這個報告已經出來了那應該我的印象如果沒有錯應該已經有提供給大院那後續如果還有新的報告出來的話那我們也會再適時的再提供給委員會"},{"start":205.049,"end":220.229,"text":"好 謝謝您在AI的這個科技浪潮下其實台灣我們雖然未有半導體的產業優勢但是在AI翻廠上還是需要說中研院跟國科會這邊緊密合作我也希望說我們一直在AI的賽道上我們台灣是佔有一席之地的"},{"start":221.01,"end":243.465,"text":"那剛剛有提到說中研院有參與TIDE的這個計畫在發展語言模型的時候語料庫的建設是非常的重要那TIDE的模型背後已經有繁體中文的這個語言資料庫那述發部這邊也發布說他們將要建設新的繁中語料庫那包含說政府部門以及私人企業的資料都會涵蓋中研院這邊針對述發部的這個語言資料庫會不會提供什麼協助或者說也會參與他們相關這個建設計畫"},{"start":253.172,"end":274.049,"text":"委員好,我是中研院資訊服務處陳靈芝處長那對於速發部所提出的這個語言資料庫我們會是全力配合那中研院因為台德的主要的研究模型組也是在中研院所以其實我們也非常需要也非常希望這個中文語料庫可以趕快收集更多的資料來輔助這個模型的發展"},{"start":274.429,"end":287.319,"text":"那我們中研院的這個他的這個計畫的這個語料庫跟速發部的這個語料庫我們會不會整合未來就能夠把相關的資源整合進來我們更全面的來發展繁中語的語言模型呢"},{"start":288.325,"end":316.884,"text":"那個委員好我是那個中央資訊所所長那也是現在國家精創計畫的副執行長所以關於半導體跟AI的相關的部分我有部分參與那速發部現在因為也在提很多那個計畫有相關在精創計畫裡面那剛剛講的語調庫的部分因為這個是所有的問題都是因為Deep-seek出來以後引起的因為他是從那個"},{"start":317.404,"end":339.41,"text":"DeepSeek它是從那個簽問就是中國的阿里巴巴那個公司一個大型語言模型所蒸餾出來的然後再加上一些自有的技術那所以這樣引起全世界的一個關注因為大型語言模型本來需要很多的建制經費但是因為它用這樣的一個方式讓一個小型模型比較小型的模型可以運作"},{"start":340.29,"end":363.685,"text":"而且可以用在百工百業那目前整個國科會也有一個百工百業的一個計畫大南方計畫那這個部分就是希望AI能夠應用在各行各業因為我們台灣是從中小企業起家所以在這樣的狀況之下大部分的中小企業他沒有辦法沒有那個能力財力去做一個大型圓模型"},{"start":364.065,"end":385.075,"text":"那政府本來就有這個義務要來做這件事情但是在蒸餾的過程中我們必須要考量到大型魚眼模型在蒸餾的過程中它其實會蘊含一些價值觀的問題如果是用鉛問的話它是從中國的阿里巴巴弄出來的所以在這個狀況之下一些價值觀當它蒸餾的時候那些價值觀是沒有辦法抹滅的"},{"start":386.115,"end":407.083,"text":"所以我們必須要為什麼需要做一個繁體的中文的一個環境的原因就在這裡但是這樣的狀況之下我們台灣目前為止整個算力的部分其實這是大型遠模型訓練最需要的部分但是台灣跟整個大型那處長您的意思現在就是說中研院的這個TED計畫跟塑化部將來要做這個語料庫的建制你們是會一起發展的嗎"},{"start":414.245,"end":437.905,"text":"這個部分還沒有談這個事情因為台德計畫它是國科會在用金創計畫向下今年編列了1.4億的預算要做這個台德的部分那台德的部分它最主要就是說適合台灣一個環境的一個大型元就是繁體制的一個環境目的是為了未來要支援各種"},{"start":438.786,"end":466.34,"text":"各種的不同的應用那當然是應用那些蒸餾的技術但是台灣基本上有一個最大的問題就是說因為現在大型原模型像現在Gemini什麼這些大型公司的那個大型原模型一直出來那台德的計畫其實有需要仰賴一些那些技術他一旦翻新的時候台德計畫就要因應所以在這個狀況之下因為最近因為大型原模型實在是太快了"},{"start":467.12,"end":496.54,"text":"幾乎每個禮拜都有一個新的模型出來所以我們也在在這個部分我們需要一點時間去琢磨那那個團隊的部分的人才也需要再擴編所以我們有很多事情還是沒有辦法一下子就做出來好 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剛才五支建裡面前四支都是跟能源有關係的我們走在最前面的是去攤燃清現在已經進展得蠻迅速的大概兩年內就可以完成示範機組的借接"},{"start":593.554,"end":609.394,"text":"接下来就是太阳能光电的高效这部分现在也有很多的进展在媒体上我们也已经公布它已经可以达到31.5的转换效率另外两项可能要到明年才会有比较好的成绩先跟委员报告到这边"},{"start":609.414,"end":622.19,"text":"所以現在比較快能夠加入這些提供能源行列的就是有去太陽燃氣的技術以及高效太陽光電的這個部分那海洋能跟低的能量要到明年可能才會有相關的成績發表這樣齁好那接下來我想請教何安慰主委喔"},{"start":627.256,"end":639.313,"text":"在河山場二號機除役之後,河安會繼續接下來的工作作業是什麼?除了視察除役的這個工作計畫之外,目前看起來最重要的部分有哪些?"},{"start":644.444,"end":668.266,"text":"修法之後呢有關現在執法我們也要相對的要修正這是目前我們馬上要面臨的問題要把執法修好除了執法修好之後我現在要請教說這相關的你們要去視察他廚藝的工作這些相關的計劃內容大概是什麼"},{"start":670.147,"end":694.48,"text":"跟委員說明,目前核三長二號機已經停機了那核三長一、二號機的用過燃料池裡面有燃料所以燃料的安全這部分還是要維持住也是核安衛的視察重點那除了一些準備作業包括乾燥設施啊然後還有一些長期的調查部分都是核安衛目前會督促台電公司繼續去辦理的一些事項"},{"start":695.575,"end":711.55,"text":"因為雖然說我們核三廠現在已經除役但是核廢料的處置我相信民眾是非常的關心那接下來關於這些核廢料處置的部分呢核安會你們如何把關該進行的程序有哪些"},{"start":713.294,"end":731.126,"text":"核安會每年都對台電公司最終處置計畫執行進行專案檢查那另外經濟部為了解決這事情也成立了專案辦公室要來做高放懸殖條例的立法以及高低放處置場的懸殖工作以上"},{"start":732.193,"end":758.098,"text":"好 昨天是我們賴清德總統就職一周年那這個就職演說中有非常清楚的表達說核電廠要研議有兩個必須三個原則那其中最重要就是核安無虞 核廢有解以及社會共識所以這邊我要請教核安會在所謂的安全審查的程序中有沒有包含這個基礎老化以及斷層的問題"},{"start":759.358,"end":784.935,"text":"這些是不是會影響核安的最重要的因素在你們的專業裡面跟委員說明當然除了電廠的設備老化的評估之外那長者一些地質調查跟耐震的強化都會納入核安會審查的一個重點之一為什麼這樣問呢因為我們的核廢料在我們核三廠這些相關的燃料棒還沒有處理完全之前它還是存在這個斷層之上"},{"start":786.676,"end":806.307,"text":"那在這個過程裡面雖然我們的機組是停機的但是我們相關的這些燃料棒這些核廢料還在這個斷層上面的時候我們該如何來避免相關或者說如何預防這個部分你們有怎樣的建議來提供給我們就是在做安全防護的部分"},{"start":808.272,"end":835.36,"text":"跟委員說明,當然那個恆春斷層這部案,離河山長址區大概有1.1公里在輔導之後,核安委要求台電公司依照美國的CHECK的程序來進行評估都有進入斷層的一些事項、斷層的危害,都納入評估那目前台電公司有針對安全停機的相關的廠房設備補強強化"},{"start":837.661,"end":854.055,"text":"當然如果後續台電公司提出研議申請的話就是換照申請的話這部分一定會納入重要的審查項目之一那也會要求台電公司持續的去滾動檢討相關的施政跟如果有國際的新的做法都會納進來以上說明"},{"start":855.616,"end":861.018,"text":"其實台灣地處在地震帶,地震這個斷層的影響是我們完全無法避免及預期的因為它什麼時候會有一個變動什麼時候會有一個這樣斷層的這個運動其實我們沒有辦法去預測到那一旦發生就是會是很危急的這個狀態那日本呢其實也有案例就是因為斷層在反應爐的下面而否決了這個核電廠研議的這樣子的例子"},{"start":880.123,"end":884.385,"text":"所以我希望說在野黨不要假裝不知道說這個斷層的這個疑慮這個斷層的危害在那邊然後針對其實我們賴總統就職一周年演說中提到了這個核電廠研議有兩個必須三個原則這個部分我相信也是民眾他們所擔憂的我們要有核安意識我們要有核能安全我們也要有社會共識而且核廢的處理是最重要的一端如果沒有"},{"start":908.238,"end":916.446,"text":"這些相關的處置能夠做得很完善的話我相信民眾也會認同我們是沒有發展核電的本錢以上 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