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00:01:52,138\n像這樣的問題在其他地方並沒有發生有啊新北市也有啊數量比較少而已啊新北市主要是因為他那個權狀他那個停車位一個單獨的權狀那他認為這個單獨的權狀他就把它當作非住家在客他的情況又跟台北市不一樣那這個部分部長你講的只是一部分啦我那天就是在我的網路上關我們新莊喔我不講哪一黨的議員喔就跳出來這樣罵財政部啊說這個資料錯\n\n6\n00:01:54,899 --> 00:02:14,344\n是怎麼樣怎麼樣我找本黨的議員去跟他講說最尊基深處是新北市政府的怪都財政部來我還特別維護你們的立場但是李沐香講的數量這麼少光是他那個議員在他陳述就是光新北市有好幾千件\n\n7\n00:02:16,571 --> 00:02:37,732\n謝謝委員我想第一個在今年實施新制的五月開徵那其實在我們法規定了以後財政部已經多次邀請地方政府來開會把他們因為有些地方政府在之前已經實施用原來的房屋稅條例它裡面是用縣市規附它已經來做那這部分的經驗很重要所以我們也採納各地方政府的經驗\n\n8\n00:02:39,634 --> 00:03:00,347\n部分地方政府他根本沒有實施的經驗所以在這一次實施的時候他會產生一些問題台北新北市根本沒有實施過這個差別稅率依照103年那個稅率所以其實這個部分我們當時是開過很多次會然後有關相關的地方稅的系統裡面也都做了一些做調整所以基本上\n\n9\n00:03:01,007 --> 00:03:28,236\n在這個問題的發生我們也隨時都有在注意關注如果是屬於我們韓式可以做韓式的趕快韓式那如果是本身他們資料的問題也告訴他們要去做調整像台北市這部分就立即再做處理那新北這個部分因為他的認知上一直跟法規上有點落差所以我們今天又這個禮拜我們會發函告訴他就是要按照組建物的用途來課徵所以不可以因為他是單獨一張權狀公社就用非自助來課\n\n10\n00:03:29,156 --> 00:03:49,003\n發函當然有必要啦但是有的時候發函的速度太慢因為現在正在就是稅單現在就是收到在改的時候有的時候一邊發函一方面也要做一些電話啦或是網路上面的行政指導讓他們能夠很清楚的了解那種狀況因為現在新北市其實集合住宅有非常多啦以本席的選區新莊而言\n\n11\n00:03:50,703 --> 00:04:15,532\n那現在企業住宅裡面的住戶就佔很大的比例啊所以如果說公設啦然後跟這個什麼住汽車啦然後跟那個房屋主體啊這些沒有說都搞不清楚過去的錯誤我現在希望明年這些錯誤不要再有好不好雖然雖然這個基增是地方說是基增處的工作啦但是我們是盡量來跟他協助輔導讓他們盡量少犯錯啊\n\n12\n00:04:17,971 --> 00:04:38,562\n有沒有去參加APEC的會議啊目前來說市長的會議已經APEC開過了然後資深官員大概在最近幾個月財長的要到10月才會開秀峰會會更晚\n\n13\n00:04:40,403 --> 00:04:55,739\n這個川普美國川普總統上台之後大家就是認為說他的有些政策會影響到過去這個經常性的這些貿易狀況比如說關稅的問題所以有一些預測機構就會去下調這個GDP那台灣的GDP\n\n14\n00:05:00,168 --> 00:05:15,784\n我們被預測也是有下調可是還有一些機構是預測說反而我們會上調再加上4月我們的出口破紀錄了500多億美金有沒有那你覺得呢覺得這個台灣今年的GDP的表現會怎麼樣\n\n15\n00:05:17,394 --> 00:05:33,089\n跟委員報告第一季的GDP成長率達到5.37%最主要也是第一個出口的暢旺第二個就是資本的形成也就是我們的廠商加大投資的力道那至於後因為這不可否認是有因為美國因為關稅措施的關係那大家提前拉貨提前備貨\n\n16\n00:05:37,293 --> 00:05:45,741\n那之後下半年會不會因為前面提前拉貨後面就慢慢趨緩下來這個還要觀察因為為什麼因為對等關稅要到7月9號90天的屆滿後續會是怎麼樣的一個調整我們認為要持續的觀察然後我們的小組談判小組也在持續的一個在做一些相關的方案的模擬式\n\n17\n00:05:58,803 --> 00:06:10,407\n我們第一季5.37是蠻高的喔如果照這個統計下來那我們顯然我們第二季第三季第四季的經濟成長會狀況會不妙啊不然的話怎麼會平均數只有三點多所以\n\n18\n00:06:13,035 --> 00:06:39,080\n意思是說我們下半年的經濟展望是不好嗎是這樣的意思嗎平均數3點多當時是主總他在預測全年的3.14但是事實上第一季的部分已經比原來的來的成長那至於後面他5月底5月的下半個月還會5月底大概還會再公佈他的預測值所以有可能會修正就對了這個要看他公佈的結果\n\n19\n00:06:40,748 --> 00:07:08,666\n我們這一屆的立院是第十一屆嘛第十屆的後半段民眾黨一個不分區立委叫吳欣盈你記得嗎那時候你當部長了嗎我知道他一直在推他其實就一直在推這個主權基金一進來就一直遊說一直推弄了好多的資料可是那時候的政府基本上並不是\n\n20\n00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:37,732\n完全去支持這樣的政策有一些考量在那現在總統當然他是一個總統當然他可以宣布他希望未來的政策走向那但是政策走向還要經過立法還要經過周延的制度的設計那你現在剛剛你有回答前面的我有一頁講到這個主權基金的問題你有覺得這個政府在這幾年之間大概就是三四年之間這個政策有變化嗎\n\n21\n00:07:40,216 --> 00:07:56,912\n一開始的時候設置主權基金當然您提到吳委員當時有提到那只是說到底要怎麼設置他的財源來自於哪裡等等那個時候大概還僅止於討論然後現在政策上如果要成立的話那接下來就是要就是如同委員說要審慎的規劃而且要訂專法在專法裡面必須對於\n\n22\n00:08:02,237 --> 00:08:24,757\n大家所疑慮的部分要能夠去謹慎的規劃訂定讓大家覺得說這樣的是一個可做的那同時裡面好幾個比如說你的管理機構你的規模你的財財富的來源才哪裡以及是由誰來操作以及有沒有相關的管制機制都要詳細的訂定那這個我覺得要經過討論以後才最後落入專法然後能經過立法程序來做執行\n\n23\n00:08:25,117 --> 00:08:54,367\n那你會覺得總統的這個任滿週年的這個談話速度太快嗎?走得太前面嗎?倒也不盡然因為其實主權基金之前就是譬如說像一兩年前就有在做討論然後也可以參考其他國際間怎麼樣在做執行你沒有回答我的問題我是問你說你當部長這幾年你不覺得這個政策有沒有變化是不是從起先比較不贊成走到現在好像就是希望往這個方向推\n\n24\n00:08:55,443 --> 00:09:15,619\n應該說起先也不太明確起先不明確那現在是明確了中間環境有什麼變化國內的國外的環境有什麼大的變化當然國內國外的環境也會有變化比如說整個美國的這個因素關稅貿易的一個因素以及美國其實川普政府也提到有關主權基金這樣的一個議題\n\n25\n00:09:16,826 --> 00:09:35,045\n其實我覺得這是一個好機會因為現在的制度正式要對美國加大投資那台灣其實這幾年因為一直不停的順差所以我們實在是累積了非常多的這個超額儲蓄你應該要想辦法找到出口\n\n26\n00:09:35,706 --> 00:09:50,829\n那當然是不是所有投資人都願意照這個方向去做對主權州基金的持股或怎麼樣這個是制度的設計問題我上次就跟他講說他用發行債券的方式\n\n27\n00:09:52,130 --> 00:10:06,416\n讓台灣的這個油資有興趣的人去認購然後拿這個錢去做主權基金對美國的投資我覺得這是不錯啊這也對台灣的這個超額儲蓄有很大的不然油資氾濫會使我們台灣的很多資產都\n\n28\n00:10:08,478 --> 00:10:36,661\n要控制很困難今天這個議題譬如說是房市的問題你的順差太多你的油資太多你這個東西要控制就會變得艱難所以是用什麼樣的方式設計一個比較好的制度那這個真的有待大家努力的把這個方面的制度整個弄好不過這個方向我覺得最大的差別是其實這兩三年來國際的環境以及台灣的這個自身的能力都已經有所改變\n\n29\n00:10:37,421 --> 00:10:49,192\n那政策當然是一個前瞻性的看法能不能落實還要看大家是不是很努力來把它變成一個真正可以操作的政策所以大家加油好不好謝謝委員謝謝接下來請賴昭偉來\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6410\t27604\t看到媒體報導說光台北市的這個房屋稅就他的那個錯誤的這個稅單就五萬多張那為什麼我們這個法律從去年立了今年要實施已經一年了為什麼錯誤的比例這麼的高什麼原因造成\n28416\t36453\t是跟委員報告我們也去了解第一個就是他的錯誤主要是對於譬如說我們大廈裡面有自住的房屋然後又有一個停車位但是他把\n36874\t65170\t那個停車位沒有隨同主建物一起用自住的稅率來課徵然後變成用非自住的房子來課徵那我們去了解原因是什麼第一個就是他說他的承辦人是新的今年承辦人是新的在那個他們的資料檔案裡面這個加注錯誤了一次發生那他們發現以後也立刻重新發單同時對於各所有的納稅義務人在進行相關的一個宣導跟說明主要是因為他們自己本身內部的一個資料加注的問題\n66668\t82442\t雖然這個房屋稅是地方政府的稅捐基金處在處理但是媒體的評論是地方政府的稅捐基金處固然有錯那財政部跟他們之間的溝通是不是會有一些問題有沒有這樣的狀況\n85473\t112138\t像這樣的問題在其他地方並沒有發生有啊新北市也有啊數量比較少而已啊新北市主要是因為他那個權狀他那個停車位一個單獨的權狀那他認為這個單獨的權狀他就把它當作非住家在客他的情況又跟台北市不一樣那這個部分部長你講的只是一部分啦我那天就是在我的網路上關我們新莊喔我不講哪一黨的議員喔就跳出來這樣罵財政部啊說這個資料錯\n114899\t134344\t是怎麼樣怎麼樣我找本黨的議員去跟他講說最尊基深處是新北市政府的怪都財政部來我還特別維護你們的立場但是李沐香講的數量這麼少光是他那個議員在他陳述就是光新北市有好幾千件\n136571\t157732\t謝謝委員我想第一個在今年實施新制的五月開徵那其實在我們法規定了以後財政部已經多次邀請地方政府來開會把他們因為有些地方政府在之前已經實施用原來的房屋稅條例它裡面是用縣市規附它已經來做那這部分的經驗很重要所以我們也採納各地方政府的經驗\n159634\t180347\t部分地方政府他根本沒有實施的經驗所以在這一次實施的時候他會產生一些問題台北新北市根本沒有實施過這個差別稅率依照103年那個稅率所以其實這個部分我們當時是開過很多次會然後有關相關的地方稅的系統裡面也都做了一些做調整所以基本上\n181007\t208236\t在這個問題的發生我們也隨時都有在注意關注如果是屬於我們韓式可以做韓式的趕快韓式那如果是本身他們資料的問題也告訴他們要去做調整像台北市這部分就立即再做處理那新北這個部分因為他的認知上一直跟法規上有點落差所以我們今天又這個禮拜我們會發函告訴他就是要按照組建物的用途來課徵所以不可以因為他是單獨一張權狀公社就用非自助來課\n209156\t229003\t發函當然有必要啦但是有的時候發函的速度太慢因為現在正在就是稅單現在就是收到在改的時候有的時候一邊發函一方面也要做一些電話啦或是網路上面的行政指導讓他們能夠很清楚的了解那種狀況因為現在新北市其實集合住宅有非常多啦以本席的選區新莊而言\n230703\t255532\t那現在企業住宅裡面的住戶就佔很大的比例啊所以如果說公設啦然後跟這個什麼住汽車啦然後跟那個房屋主體啊這些沒有說都搞不清楚過去的錯誤我現在希望明年這些錯誤不要再有好不好雖然雖然這個基增是地方說是基增處的工作啦但是我們是盡量來跟他協助輔導讓他們盡量少犯錯啊\n257971\t278562\t有沒有去參加APEC的會議啊目前來說市長的會議已經APEC開過了然後資深官員大概在最近幾個月財長的要到10月才會開秀峰會會更晚\n280403\t295739\t這個川普美國川普總統上台之後大家就是認為說他的有些政策會影響到過去這個經常性的這些貿易狀況比如說關稅的問題所以有一些預測機構就會去下調這個GDP那台灣的GDP\n300168\t315784\t我們被預測也是有下調可是還有一些機構是預測說反而我們會上調再加上4月我們的出口破紀錄了500多億美金有沒有那你覺得呢覺得這個台灣今年的GDP的表現會怎麼樣\n317394\t333089\t跟委員報告第一季的GDP成長率達到5.37%最主要也是第一個出口的暢旺第二個就是資本的形成也就是我們的廠商加大投資的力道那至於後因為這不可否認是有因為美國因為關稅措施的關係那大家提前拉貨提前備貨\n337293\t345741\t那之後下半年會不會因為前面提前拉貨後面就慢慢趨緩下來這個還要觀察因為為什麼因為對等關稅要到7月9號90天的屆滿後續會是怎麼樣的一個調整我們認為要持續的觀察然後我們的小組談判小組也在持續的一個在做一些相關的方案的模擬式\n358803\t370407\t我們第一季5.37是蠻高的喔如果照這個統計下來那我們顯然我們第二季第三季第四季的經濟成長會狀況會不妙啊不然的話怎麼會平均數只有三點多所以\n373035\t399080\t意思是說我們下半年的經濟展望是不好嗎是這樣的意思嗎平均數3點多當時是主總他在預測全年的3.14但是事實上第一季的部分已經比原來的來的成長那至於後面他5月底5月的下半個月還會5月底大概還會再公佈他的預測值所以有可能會修正就對了這個要看他公佈的結果\n400748\t428666\t我們這一屆的立院是第十一屆嘛第十屆的後半段民眾黨一個不分區立委叫吳欣盈你記得嗎那時候你當部長了嗎我知道 他一直在推他其實就一直在推這個主權基金一進來就一直遊說 一直推弄了好多的資料可是那時候的政府基本上並不是\n429830\t457732\t完全去支持這樣的政策有一些考量在那現在總統當然他是一個總統當然他可以宣布他希望未來的政策走向那但是政策走向還要經過立法還要經過周延的制度的設計那你現在剛剛你有回答前面的我有一頁講到這個主權基金的問題你有覺得這個政府在這幾年之間大概就是三四年之間這個政策有變化嗎\n460216\t476912\t一開始的時候設置主權基金當然您提到吳委員當時有提到那只是說到底要怎麼設置他的財源來自於哪裡等等那個時候大概還僅止於討論然後現在政策上如果要成立的話那接下來就是要就是如同委員說要審慎的規劃而且要訂專法在專法裡面必須對於\n482237\t504757\t大家所疑慮的部分要能夠去謹慎的規劃訂定讓大家覺得說這樣的是一個可做的那同時裡面好幾個比如說你的管理機構你的規模你的財財富的來源才哪裡以及是由誰來操作以及有沒有相關的管制機制都要詳細的訂定那這個我覺得要經過討論以後才最後落入專法然後能經過立法程序來做執行\n505117\t534367\t那你會覺得總統的這個任滿週年的這個談話速度太快嗎?走得太前面嗎?倒也不盡然因為其實主權基金之前就是譬如說像一兩年前就有在做討論然後也可以參考其他國際間怎麼樣在做執行你沒有回答我的問題我是問你說你當部長這幾年你不覺得這個政策有沒有變化是不是從起先比較不贊成走到現在好像就是希望往這個方向推\n535443\t555619\t應該說起先也不太明確起先不明確那現在是明確了中間環境有什麼變化國內的國外的環境有什麼大的變化當然國內國外的環境也會有變化比如說整個美國的這個因素關稅貿易的一個因素以及美國其實川普政府也提到有關主權基金這樣的一個議題\n556826\t575045\t其實我覺得這是一個好機會因為現在的制度正式要對美國加大投資那台灣其實這幾年因為一直不停的順差所以我們實在是累積了非常多的這個超額儲蓄你應該要想辦法找到出口\n575706\t590829\t那當然是不是所有投資人都願意照這個方向去做對主權州基金的持股或怎麼樣這個是制度的設計問題我上次就跟他講說他用發行債券的方式\n592130\t606416\t讓台灣的這個油資有興趣的人去認購然後拿這個錢去做主權基金對美國的投資我覺得這是不錯啊這也對台灣的這個超額儲蓄有很大的不然油資氾濫會使我們台灣的很多資產都\n608478\t636661\t要控制很困難今天這個議題譬如說是房市的問題你的順差太多 你的油資太多你這個東西要控制就會變得艱難所以是用什麼樣的方式設計一個比較好的制度那這個真的有待大家努力的把這個方面的制度整個弄好不過這個方向我覺得最大的差別是其實這兩三年來國際的環境以及台灣的這個自身的能力都已經有所改變\n637421\t649192\t那政策當然是一個前瞻性的看法能不能落實還要看大家是不是很努力來把它變成一個真正可以操作的政策所以大家加油好不好謝謝委員 謝謝接下來請賴昭偉來\n","txt":"看到媒體報導說光台北市的這個房屋稅就他的那個錯誤的這個稅單就五萬多張那為什麼我們這個法律從去年立了今年要實施已經一年了為什麼錯誤的比例這麼的高什麼原因造成\n是跟委員報告我們也去了解第一個就是他的錯誤主要是對於譬如說我們大廈裡面有自住的房屋然後又有一個停車位但是他把\n那個停車位沒有隨同主建物一起用自住的稅率來課徵然後變成用非自住的房子來課徵那我們去了解原因是什麼第一個就是他說他的承辦人是新的今年承辦人是新的在那個他們的資料檔案裡面這個加注錯誤了一次發生那他們發現以後也立刻重新發單同時對於各所有的納稅義務人在進行相關的一個宣導跟說明主要是因為他們自己本身內部的一個資料加注的問題\n雖然這個房屋稅是地方政府的稅捐基金處在處理但是媒體的評論是地方政府的稅捐基金處固然有錯那財政部跟他們之間的溝通是不是會有一些問題有沒有這樣的狀況\n像這樣的問題在其他地方並沒有發生有啊新北市也有啊數量比較少而已啊新北市主要是因為他那個權狀他那個停車位一個單獨的權狀那他認為這個單獨的權狀他就把它當作非住家在客他的情況又跟台北市不一樣那這個部分部長你講的只是一部分啦我那天就是在我的網路上關我們新莊喔我不講哪一黨的議員喔就跳出來這樣罵財政部啊說這個資料錯\n是怎麼樣怎麼樣我找本黨的議員去跟他講說最尊基深處是新北市政府的怪都財政部來我還特別維護你們的立場但是李沐香講的數量這麼少光是他那個議員在他陳述就是光新北市有好幾千件\n謝謝委員我想第一個在今年實施新制的五月開徵那其實在我們法規定了以後財政部已經多次邀請地方政府來開會把他們因為有些地方政府在之前已經實施用原來的房屋稅條例它裡面是用縣市規附它已經來做那這部分的經驗很重要所以我們也採納各地方政府的經驗\n部分地方政府他根本沒有實施的經驗所以在這一次實施的時候他會產生一些問題台北新北市根本沒有實施過這個差別稅率依照103年那個稅率所以其實這個部分我們當時是開過很多次會然後有關相關的地方稅的系統裡面也都做了一些做調整所以基本上\n在這個問題的發生我們也隨時都有在注意關注如果是屬於我們韓式可以做韓式的趕快韓式那如果是本身他們資料的問題也告訴他們要去做調整像台北市這部分就立即再做處理那新北這個部分因為他的認知上一直跟法規上有點落差所以我們今天又這個禮拜我們會發函告訴他就是要按照組建物的用途來課徵所以不可以因為他是單獨一張權狀公社就用非自助來課\n發函當然有必要啦但是有的時候發函的速度太慢因為現在正在就是稅單現在就是收到在改的時候有的時候一邊發函一方面也要做一些電話啦或是網路上面的行政指導讓他們能夠很清楚的了解那種狀況因為現在新北市其實集合住宅有非常多啦以本席的選區新莊而言\n那現在企業住宅裡面的住戶就佔很大的比例啊所以如果說公設啦然後跟這個什麼住汽車啦然後跟那個房屋主體啊這些沒有說都搞不清楚過去的錯誤我現在希望明年這些錯誤不要再有好不好雖然雖然這個基增是地方說是基增處的工作啦但是我們是盡量來跟他協助輔導讓他們盡量少犯錯啊\n有沒有去參加APEC的會議啊目前來說市長的會議已經APEC開過了然後資深官員大概在最近幾個月財長的要到10月才會開秀峰會會更晚\n這個川普美國川普總統上台之後大家就是認為說他的有些政策會影響到過去這個經常性的這些貿易狀況比如說關稅的問題所以有一些預測機構就會去下調這個GDP那台灣的GDP\n我們被預測也是有下調可是還有一些機構是預測說反而我們會上調再加上4月我們的出口破紀錄了500多億美金有沒有那你覺得呢覺得這個台灣今年的GDP的表現會怎麼樣\n跟委員報告第一季的GDP成長率達到5.37%最主要也是第一個出口的暢旺第二個就是資本的形成也就是我們的廠商加大投資的力道那至於後因為這不可否認是有因為美國因為關稅措施的關係那大家提前拉貨提前備貨\n那之後下半年會不會因為前面提前拉貨後面就慢慢趨緩下來這個還要觀察因為為什麼因為對等關稅要到7月9號90天的屆滿後續會是怎麼樣的一個調整我們認為要持續的觀察然後我們的小組談判小組也在持續的一個在做一些相關的方案的模擬式\n我們第一季5.37是蠻高的喔如果照這個統計下來那我們顯然我們第二季第三季第四季的經濟成長會狀況會不妙啊不然的話怎麼會平均數只有三點多所以\n意思是說我們下半年的經濟展望是不好嗎是這樣的意思嗎平均數3點多當時是主總他在預測全年的3.14但是事實上第一季的部分已經比原來的來的成長那至於後面他5月底5月的下半個月還會5月底大概還會再公佈他的預測值所以有可能會修正就對了這個要看他公佈的結果\n我們這一屆的立院是第十一屆嘛第十屆的後半段民眾黨一個不分區立委叫吳欣盈你記得嗎那時候你當部長了嗎我知道 他一直在推他其實就一直在推這個主權基金一進來就一直遊說 一直推弄了好多的資料可是那時候的政府基本上並不是\n完全去支持這樣的政策有一些考量在那現在總統當然他是一個總統當然他可以宣布他希望未來的政策走向那但是政策走向還要經過立法還要經過周延的制度的設計那你現在剛剛你有回答前面的我有一頁講到這個主權基金的問題你有覺得這個政府在這幾年之間大概就是三四年之間這個政策有變化嗎\n一開始的時候設置主權基金當然您提到吳委員當時有提到那只是說到底要怎麼設置他的財源來自於哪裡等等那個時候大概還僅止於討論然後現在政策上如果要成立的話那接下來就是要就是如同委員說要審慎的規劃而且要訂專法在專法裡面必須對於\n大家所疑慮的部分要能夠去謹慎的規劃訂定讓大家覺得說這樣的是一個可做的那同時裡面好幾個比如說你的管理機構你的規模你的財財富的來源才哪裡以及是由誰來操作以及有沒有相關的管制機制都要詳細的訂定那這個我覺得要經過討論以後才最後落入專法然後能經過立法程序來做執行\n那你會覺得總統的這個任滿週年的這個談話速度太快嗎?走得太前面嗎?倒也不盡然因為其實主權基金之前就是譬如說像一兩年前就有在做討論然後也可以參考其他國際間怎麼樣在做執行你沒有回答我的問題我是問你說你當部長這幾年你不覺得這個政策有沒有變化是不是從起先比較不贊成走到現在好像就是希望往這個方向推\n應該說起先也不太明確起先不明確那現在是明確了中間環境有什麼變化國內的國外的環境有什麼大的變化當然國內國外的環境也會有變化比如說整個美國的這個因素關稅貿易的一個因素以及美國其實川普政府也提到有關主權基金這樣的一個議題\n其實我覺得這是一個好機會因為現在的制度正式要對美國加大投資那台灣其實這幾年因為一直不停的順差所以我們實在是累積了非常多的這個超額儲蓄你應該要想辦法找到出口\n那當然是不是所有投資人都願意照這個方向去做對主權州基金的持股或怎麼樣這個是制度的設計問題我上次就跟他講說他用發行債券的方式\n讓台灣的這個油資有興趣的人去認購然後拿這個錢去做主權基金對美國的投資我覺得這是不錯啊這也對台灣的這個超額儲蓄有很大的不然油資氾濫會使我們台灣的很多資產都\n要控制很困難今天這個議題譬如說是房市的問題你的順差太多 你的油資太多你這個東西要控制就會變得艱難所以是用什麼樣的方式設計一個比較好的制度那這個真的有待大家努力的把這個方面的制度整個弄好不過這個方向我覺得最大的差別是其實這兩三年來國際的環境以及台灣的這個自身的能力都已經有所改變\n那政策當然是一個前瞻性的看法能不能落實還要看大家是不是很努力來把它變成一個真正可以操作的政策所以大家加油好不好謝謝委員 謝謝接下來請賴昭偉來\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.410 --> 00:27.604\n看到媒體報導說光台北市的這個房屋稅就他的那個錯誤的這個稅單就五萬多張那為什麼我們這個法律從去年立了今年要實施已經一年了為什麼錯誤的比例這麼的高什麼原因造成\n\n00:28.416 --> 00:36.453\n是跟委員報告我們也去了解第一個就是他的錯誤主要是對於譬如說我們大廈裡面有自住的房屋然後又有一個停車位但是他把\n\n00:36.874 --> 01:05.170\n那個停車位沒有隨同主建物一起用自住的稅率來課徵然後變成用非自住的房子來課徵那我們去了解原因是什麼第一個就是他說他的承辦人是新的今年承辦人是新的在那個他們的資料檔案裡面這個加注錯誤了一次發生那他們發現以後也立刻重新發單同時對於各所有的納稅義務人在進行相關的一個宣導跟說明主要是因為他們自己本身內部的一個資料加注的問題\n\n01:06.668 --> 01:22.442\n雖然這個房屋稅是地方政府的稅捐基金處在處理但是媒體的評論是地方政府的稅捐基金處固然有錯那財政部跟他們之間的溝通是不是會有一些問題有沒有這樣的狀況\n\n01:25.473 --> 01:52.138\n像這樣的問題在其他地方並沒有發生有啊新北市也有啊數量比較少而已啊新北市主要是因為他那個權狀他那個停車位一個單獨的權狀那他認為這個單獨的權狀他就把它當作非住家在客他的情況又跟台北市不一樣那這個部分部長你講的只是一部分啦我那天就是在我的網路上關我們新莊喔我不講哪一黨的議員喔就跳出來這樣罵財政部啊說這個資料錯\n\n01:54.899 --> 02:14.344\n是怎麼樣怎麼樣我找本黨的議員去跟他講說最尊基深處是新北市政府的怪都財政部來我還特別維護你們的立場但是李沐香講的數量這麼少光是他那個議員在他陳述就是光新北市有好幾千件\n\n02:16.571 --> 02:37.732\n謝謝委員我想第一個在今年實施新制的五月開徵那其實在我們法規定了以後財政部已經多次邀請地方政府來開會把他們因為有些地方政府在之前已經實施用原來的房屋稅條例它裡面是用縣市規附它已經來做那這部分的經驗很重要所以我們也採納各地方政府的經驗\n\n02:39.634 --> 03:00.347\n部分地方政府他根本沒有實施的經驗所以在這一次實施的時候他會產生一些問題台北新北市根本沒有實施過這個差別稅率依照103年那個稅率所以其實這個部分我們當時是開過很多次會然後有關相關的地方稅的系統裡面也都做了一些做調整所以基本上\n\n03:01.007 --> 03:28.236\n在這個問題的發生我們也隨時都有在注意關注如果是屬於我們韓式可以做韓式的趕快韓式那如果是本身他們資料的問題也告訴他們要去做調整像台北市這部分就立即再做處理那新北這個部分因為他的認知上一直跟法規上有點落差所以我們今天又這個禮拜我們會發函告訴他就是要按照組建物的用途來課徵所以不可以因為他是單獨一張權狀公社就用非自助來課\n\n03:29.156 --> 03:49.003\n發函當然有必要啦但是有的時候發函的速度太慢因為現在正在就是稅單現在就是收到在改的時候有的時候一邊發函一方面也要做一些電話啦或是網路上面的行政指導讓他們能夠很清楚的了解那種狀況因為現在新北市其實集合住宅有非常多啦以本席的選區新莊而言\n\n03:50.703 --> 04:15.532\n那現在企業住宅裡面的住戶就佔很大的比例啊所以如果說公設啦然後跟這個什麼住汽車啦然後跟那個房屋主體啊這些沒有說都搞不清楚過去的錯誤我現在希望明年這些錯誤不要再有好不好雖然雖然這個基增是地方說是基增處的工作啦但是我們是盡量來跟他協助輔導讓他們盡量少犯錯啊\n\n04:17.971 --> 04:38.562\n有沒有去參加APEC的會議啊目前來說市長的會議已經APEC開過了然後資深官員大概在最近幾個月財長的要到10月才會開秀峰會會更晚\n\n04:40.403 --> 04:55.739\n這個川普美國川普總統上台之後大家就是認為說他的有些政策會影響到過去這個經常性的這些貿易狀況比如說關稅的問題所以有一些預測機構就會去下調這個GDP那台灣的GDP\n\n05:00.168 --> 05:15.784\n我們被預測也是有下調可是還有一些機構是預測說反而我們會上調再加上4月我們的出口破紀錄了500多億美金有沒有那你覺得呢覺得這個台灣今年的GDP的表現會怎麼樣\n\n05:17.394 --> 05:33.089\n跟委員報告第一季的GDP成長率達到5.37%最主要也是第一個出口的暢旺第二個就是資本的形成也就是我們的廠商加大投資的力道那至於後因為這不可否認是有因為美國因為關稅措施的關係那大家提前拉貨提前備貨\n\n05:37.293 --> 05:45.741\n那之後下半年會不會因為前面提前拉貨後面就慢慢趨緩下來這個還要觀察因為為什麼因為對等關稅要到7月9號90天的屆滿後續會是怎麼樣的一個調整我們認為要持續的觀察然後我們的小組談判小組也在持續的一個在做一些相關的方案的模擬式\n\n05:58.803 --> 06:10.407\n我們第一季5.37是蠻高的喔如果照這個統計下來那我們顯然我們第二季第三季第四季的經濟成長會狀況會不妙啊不然的話怎麼會平均數只有三點多所以\n\n06:13.035 --> 06:39.080\n意思是說我們下半年的經濟展望是不好嗎是這樣的意思嗎平均數3點多當時是主總他在預測全年的3.14但是事實上第一季的部分已經比原來的來的成長那至於後面他5月底5月的下半個月還會5月底大概還會再公佈他的預測值所以有可能會修正就對了這個要看他公佈的結果\n\n06:40.748 --> 07:08.666\n我們這一屆的立院是第十一屆嘛第十屆的後半段民眾黨一個不分區立委叫吳欣盈你記得嗎那時候你當部長了嗎我知道他一直在推他其實就一直在推這個主權基金一進來就一直遊說一直推弄了好多的資料可是那時候的政府基本上並不是\n\n07:09.830 --> 07:37.732\n完全去支持這樣的政策有一些考量在那現在總統當然他是一個總統當然他可以宣布他希望未來的政策走向那但是政策走向還要經過立法還要經過周延的制度的設計那你現在剛剛你有回答前面的我有一頁講到這個主權基金的問題你有覺得這個政府在這幾年之間大概就是三四年之間這個政策有變化嗎\n\n07:40.216 --> 07:56.912\n一開始的時候設置主權基金當然您提到吳委員當時有提到那只是說到底要怎麼設置他的財源來自於哪裡等等那個時候大概還僅止於討論然後現在政策上如果要成立的話那接下來就是要就是如同委員說要審慎的規劃而且要訂專法在專法裡面必須對於\n\n08:02.237 --> 08:24.757\n大家所疑慮的部分要能夠去謹慎的規劃訂定讓大家覺得說這樣的是一個可做的那同時裡面好幾個比如說你的管理機構你的規模你的財財富的來源才哪裡以及是由誰來操作以及有沒有相關的管制機制都要詳細的訂定那這個我覺得要經過討論以後才最後落入專法然後能經過立法程序來做執行\n\n08:25.117 --> 08:54.367\n那你會覺得總統的這個任滿週年的這個談話速度太快嗎?走得太前面嗎?倒也不盡然因為其實主權基金之前就是譬如說像一兩年前就有在做討論然後也可以參考其他國際間怎麼樣在做執行你沒有回答我的問題我是問你說你當部長這幾年你不覺得這個政策有沒有變化是不是從起先比較不贊成走到現在好像就是希望往這個方向推\n\n08:55.443 --> 09:15.619\n應該說起先也不太明確起先不明確那現在是明確了中間環境有什麼變化國內的國外的環境有什麼大的變化當然國內國外的環境也會有變化比如說整個美國的這個因素關稅貿易的一個因素以及美國其實川普政府也提到有關主權基金這樣的一個議題\n\n09:16.826 --> 09:35.045\n其實我覺得這是一個好機會因為現在的制度正式要對美國加大投資那台灣其實這幾年因為一直不停的順差所以我們實在是累積了非常多的這個超額儲蓄你應該要想辦法找到出口\n\n09:35.706 --> 09:50.829\n那當然是不是所有投資人都願意照這個方向去做對主權州基金的持股或怎麼樣這個是制度的設計問題我上次就跟他講說他用發行債券的方式\n\n09:52.130 --> 10:06.416\n讓台灣的這個油資有興趣的人去認購然後拿這個錢去做主權基金對美國的投資我覺得這是不錯啊這也對台灣的這個超額儲蓄有很大的不然油資氾濫會使我們台灣的很多資產都\n\n10:08.478 --> 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