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00:00:05,409\n好謝謝主席我們請邱主委邱主委有請\n\n2\n00:00:10,543 --> 00:00:39,527\n主委好主委好主委我想跟你討論一下最近發生的事情就是近期在台北高雄都有發生中國直播組在校園附近開直播並且長時間拍攝學生的狀態如果你在抖音上面搜尋台灣小學生我們打這五個字下去其實會有很多東西跳出來你看這個最後面一個就是打了這個關鍵字以後直接在app上面抖音上面可以出現的狀況那其他是媒體已經披露的\n\n3\n00:00:40,127 --> 00:01:06,417\n這可以說是相當的多而且最重要的是小朋友都沒有受到馬賽克的保護所以如果你要辨識身份如果你有心人士要辨識身份可以說是非常容易那甚至這些直播不只在學校附近還跟著孩子就直接到了安親班這樣的狀況請問陸委會你這邊有掌握嗎這是單一的人士單一定點嗎還是一個什麼狀況數量大概有多少你們有了解了嗎\n\n4\n00:01:08,043 --> 00:01:22,521\n謝謝委員我想只有兩個層面第一個是這個抖音網路平台的問題第二個就是這個拍攝的這個活動在學校周遭我先問你大概數量有多少你有掌握了嗎\n\n5\n00:01:23,121 --> 00:01:28,964\n我們遇到有這些應該有跟你反應過了我們都積極反應給我們的教育部還有我們的治安單位要查查以保護學生校園的安寧數量我們是因為我們\n\n6\n00:01:40,629 --> 00:02:08,562\n至少不是單一事件嘛對不對絕對不是啦到處都有了嘛也不是單一個人嘛因為在出現在非常多的頻道上面這應該陸委會也有掌握吧沒有錯吧對我們有掌握而且立即查辦所以不是單一事件不是單一人事甚至不是抖音上面的單一頻道那這樣的話請問涉案人士的身份你們有掌握了嗎他大概都是什麼樣子的人知道了嗎\n\n7\n00:02:09,994 --> 00:02:34,588\n如果同仁比較清楚可以同仁回答沒有關係我想我們都有給治安單位那這個比較完整的調查報告應該要由治安單位來回覆好那就我們這邊掌握到的資料其實第一個的話在高雄的部分已經查查看到第一個這個拍攝的狀況是這個拍攝的女生是從中國來的來台已經二十多年已經取得身份證了\n\n8\n00:02:35,228 --> 00:02:44,918\n那因為呢看起來他就是一個生活的分享啊單純開直播賣生活雜貨分享生活所以警方已經到女子家中訪查已經給他口頭勸告了嘛因為現在也還不知道是什麼狀況那另外台北的案件是許淑華議員已經接獲消息後報案了所以調查中\n\n9\n00:02:56,209 --> 00:03:19,064\n主委您剛剛的反應是這個事件當中現在在處理的程序也就是說因為他也只是在拍影像拍直播對他現在第一個他有可能狀況是只要他沒有經過家長的同意拍攝未成年人他基本上就是觸犯個資的嘛甚至是兒少法所以他有觸法的嫌疑所以如果是單純的這樣的事件確實應該是要由警方來調查沒有錯主委剛剛的回答是對的\n\n10\n00:03:24,849 --> 00:03:39,487\n所以现在在这个阶段其实高雄也是警方介入台北的话也是议员已经去跟警方系统报备了嘛报案了嘛好可是我现在就是进入到你看我的PPT上面的第二层次甚至第三层次\n\n11\n00:03:40,248 --> 00:03:54,414\n主委我要提醒如果拍攝者是中國人目前也不是只有單一頻道那他的身份很顯然比較敏感啊那我們是不是要開始有進一步的了解如果這麼數量是多的的話那在這個短時間內出現這麼多的拍攝學校周圍的兒童那他是不是有什麼目的\n\n12\n00:04:02,637 --> 00:04:25,186\n那尤其為什麼又是學校學校如果根據我們的災害防救體系的話它其實是我們的避難收容場所所以大量的直播攝影這會不會又是另外一個國安疑慮呢所以我覺得陸委會如果有這個敏感度的話去了解這個事件我想應該是非常合理的主委你的看法怎麼樣\n\n13\n00:04:25,886 --> 00:04:52,073\n謝謝委員我們也是跟委員一樣的想法跟做法我們除了提供給教育部、治安單位了解對學生、兒少的這個侵犯對我們現在的這個層次嘛個案嘛對啊因為每個學校它扮演著重要的角色而且很多都是抄中國大陸口音那當然有些說是陸配我們也會跟陸配網紅我們熟識的我們呼籲他們不要這個\n\n14\n00:04:54,253 --> 00:05:07,677\n影響兒少的相關法規或影響校園安寧你這樣的去拍他們那學生師生都會心生恐懼所以你跟他討論的其實沒有講到什麼中國怎麼樣中共怎麼樣你其實就是說你這樣會打擾到小朋友喔而且是會有妨礙各自法兒少法你也是這樣講而已嘛對不對此外我們都有把相關的影片傳給我們的安全單位要去查查\n\n15\n00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:47,263\n主委其實我今天用這個例子不但是跟您再次的在質詢台與備詢台之間提供這樣的消息並且要求陸委會提供提高敏感度之外其實我也必須要說用這個例子我們可以看得到其實中國中共如果現在有系統有新的要來蒐集台灣的各種資訊用各種方法來蒐集各種資訊其實這個就是可以是一個例子因為\n\n16\n00:05:48,084 --> 00:06:08,260\n你其實他這個有統戰嗎你不知道啊他是情收嗎你知道嗎你也不知道啊他有下指令叫這一些特定網紅從日常的直播改為去收集台灣的情資嗎可能甚至也沒有喔他沒有他不需要下指令他只要做一個動作就好他只要餵流量\n\n17\n00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:35,700\n他只要讓拍攝這種影片類型的人的流量可以突然竄高那這些網紅這些網路的使用者他就說唉唷最近口耳相傳之間拍攝某一種類型就好像提高網路流量欸那就可以幫我帶貨啊他根本不用接收指令他就只要用流量的部分就可以竄起來這就是手法啊對不對所以中國會這樣做那我們有什麼反制的動作嗎\n\n18\n00:06:39,230 --> 00:07:07,743\n我想我們一定要加強校園安全的維護那像這樣的一種侵入式的這種拍攝我想很多學校都反映學生都很惶恐那剛剛委員講了好幾個層次的國家安全每個層次我們都要全面的維護它對於不管是國家安全的層次對於國家重要基礎設施的維護以及它有可能是為了更施力\n\n19\n00:07:08,203 --> 00:07:35,042\n就是帶流量種種的那我想這是必要進行比較大規模的我的意思其實在這裡剛剛這樣一系列的討論下來就是說中國的手法其實它不斷的翻新它甚至不用用跟你講國家民族大義我要統一台灣它只要給你餵流量它就可以得到它想要的政治目的了那反過來我們其實也應該可以有多種不同的方式來\n\n20\n00:07:36,483 --> 00:07:58,273\n告訴人民應該要怎麼保護自己比如說如果在這邊你要跟他說這個就是中國網紅在幫中國刺探情報大家可能覺得說是嗎好像一時間沒有辦法接受可是反過來你告訴這些家長說你如果沒有在看到這種可疑人士拍攝孩子的時候\n\n21\n00:07:59,534 --> 00:08:15,848\n你把他制止而且大家守望相助的互相看互相制止你的孩子就有可能是為馬賽克的照片沒有馬賽克的照片流傳在網路上面你的孩子的安全可能受到威脅我覺得所有的家長一定會警惕啊是\n\n22\n00:08:18,030 --> 00:08:35,564\n所有的家長一定會警惕啊網紅可以為了流量要賣東西而做出有政治目的的狀況其實台灣人民也可以用各種的方式學習保護自己不只是保護國家的安全也是保護個人的安全\n\n23\n00:08:36,064 --> 00:08:42,968\n我覺得陸委會的策略方式和跟人民的溝通狀況不但應該更積極而且要更多元這是我今天質詢的目的不曉得主委認同嗎非常感謝委員的提醒我們會來全力朝這個方向來做不過我也跟委員報告我覺得在台灣生活的大部分的陸配網紅都是合法的而且他甚至不知道他做這件事情有什麼狀況\n\n24\n00:09:03,940 --> 00:09:25,635\n不過每一個個案都很重要我們都會一一來查處你甚至對如果主委提醒的很對所以如果在這樣的狀況下甚至我們應該讓這一些使用網路的網紅們了解說啊你這個流量突然變高了可能是因為有什麼狀況你要小心喔讓他們也有這個知識因為他們可能也不想做這件事情啊是\n\n25\n00:09:26,656 --> 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我們也是跟委員一樣的想法跟做法我們除了提供給教育部、治安單位了解對學生、兒少的這個侵犯對 我們現在的這個層次嘛 個案嘛 對啊因為每個學校它扮演著重要的角色而且很多都是抄中國大陸口音那當然有些說是陸配我們也會跟陸配網紅 我們熟識的我們呼籲他們不要這個\n294253\t307677\t影響兒少的相關法規 或影響校園安寧你這樣的去拍他們 那學生 師生都會心生恐懼所以你跟他討論的其實沒有講到什麼中國怎麼樣 中共怎麼樣你其實就是說 你這樣會打擾到小朋友喔而且是會有妨礙各自法 兒少法你也是這樣講而已嘛 對不對此外 我們都有把相關的影片傳給我們的安全單位 要去查查\n318840\t347263\t主委其實我今天用這個例子不但是跟您再次的在質詢台與備詢台之間提供這樣的消息並且要求陸委會提供提高敏感度之外其實我也必須要說用這個例子我們可以看得到其實中國中共如果現在有系統有新的要來蒐集台灣的各種資訊用各種方法來蒐集各種資訊其實這個就是可以是一個例子因為\n348084\t368260\t你其實他這個有統戰嗎 你不知道啊他是情收嗎 你知道嗎 你也不知道啊他有下指令叫這一些特定網紅從日常的直播改為去收集台灣的情資嗎可能甚至也沒有喔他沒有 他不需要下指令他只要做一個動作就好 他只要餵流量\n369411\t395700\t他只要讓拍攝這種影片類型的人的流量可以突然竄高那這些網紅這些網路的使用者他就說唉唷最近口耳相傳之間拍攝某一種類型就好像提高網路流量欸那就可以幫我帶貨啊他根本不用接收指令他就只要用流量的部分就可以竄起來這就是手法啊對不對所以中國會這樣做那我們有什麼反制的動作嗎\n399230\t427743\t我想我們一定要加強校園安全的維護那像這樣的一種侵入式的這種拍攝我想很多學校都反映學生都很惶恐那剛剛委員講了好幾個層次的國家安全每個層次我們都要全面的維護它對於不管是國家安全的層次對於國家重要基礎設施的維護以及它有可能是為了更施力\n428203\t455042\t就是帶流量種種的那我想這是必要進行比較大規模的我的意思其實在這裡剛剛這樣一系列的討論下來就是說中國的手法其實它不斷的翻新它甚至不用用跟你講國家民族大義我要統一台灣它只要給你餵流量它就可以得到它想要的政治目的了那反過來我們其實也應該可以有多種不同的方式來\n456483\t478273\t告訴人民應該要怎麼保護自己比如說如果在這邊你要跟他說這個就是中國網紅在幫中國刺探情報大家可能覺得說是嗎好像一時間沒有辦法接受可是反過來你告訴這些家長說你如果沒有在看到這種可疑人士拍攝孩子的時候\n479534\t495848\t你把他制止而且大家守望相助的互相看互相制止你的孩子就有可能是為馬賽克的照片沒有馬賽克的照片流傳在網路上面你的孩子的安全可能受到威脅我覺得所有的家長一定會警惕啊是\n498030\t515564\t所有的家長一定會警惕啊網紅可以為了流量要賣東西而做出有政治目的的狀況其實台灣人民也可以用各種的方式學習保護自己不只是保護國家的安全也是保護個人的安全\n516064\t522968\t我覺得陸委會的策略方式和跟人民的溝通狀況不但應該更積極而且要更多元這是我今天質詢的目的不曉得主委認同嗎非常感謝委員的提醒我們會來全力朝這個方向來做不過我也跟委員報告我覺得在台灣生活的大部分的陸配網紅都是合法的而且他甚至不知道他做這件事情有什麼狀況\n543940\t565635\t不過每一個個案都很重要我們都會一一來查處你甚至對如果主委提醒的很對所以如果在這樣的狀況下甚至我們應該讓這一些使用網路的網紅們了解說啊你這個流量突然變高了可能是因為有什麼狀況你要小心喔讓他們也有這個知識因為他們可能也不想做這件事情啊是\n566656\t585008\t對不對所以我覺得這有好幾個層次的部分所以我再次的提醒我的結論是陸委會要跟全國民眾不分是哪裡來的不分是在這裡住多久的都應該要有各種多元不同的資訊傳遞保護國家以及個人的安全這是我今天質詢的主旨這樣謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請邱主委邱主委有請\n主委好主委好主委我想跟你討論一下最近發生的事情就是近期在台北高雄都有發生中國直播組在校園附近開直播並且長時間拍攝學生的狀態如果你在抖音上面搜尋台灣小學生我們打這五個字下去其實會有很多東西跳出來你看這個最後面一個就是打了這個關鍵字以後直接在app上面抖音上面可以出現的狀況那其他是媒體已經披露的\n這可以說是相當的多而且最重要的是小朋友都沒有受到馬賽克的保護所以如果你要辨識身份如果你有心人士要辨識身份可以說是非常容易那甚至這些直播不只在學校附近還跟著孩子就直接到了安親班這樣的狀況請問陸委會你這邊有掌握嗎這是單一的人士單一定點嗎還是一個什麼狀況數量大概有多少你們有了解了嗎\n謝謝委員我想只有兩個層面第一個是這個抖音網路平台的問題第二個就是這個拍攝的這個活動在學校周遭我先問你大概數量有多少你有掌握了嗎\n我們遇到有這些應該有跟你反應過了我們都積極反應給我們的教育部還有我們的治安單位要查查以保護學生校園的安寧數量我們是因為我們\n至少不是單一事件嘛對不對絕對不是啦到處都有了嘛也不是單一個人嘛因為在出現在非常多的頻道上面這應該陸委會也有掌握吧沒有錯吧對我們有掌握而且立即查辦所以不是單一事件不是單一人事甚至不是抖音上面的單一頻道那這樣的話請問涉案人士的身份你們有掌握了嗎他大概都是什麼樣子的人知道了嗎\n如果同仁比較清楚可以同仁回答沒有關係我想我們都有給治安單位那這個比較完整的調查報告應該要由治安單位來回覆好那就我們這邊掌握到的資料其實第一個的話在高雄的部分已經查查看到第一個這個拍攝的狀況是這個拍攝的女生是從中國來的來台已經二十多年已經取得身份證了\n那因為呢看起來他就是一個生活的分享啊單純開直播賣生活雜貨分享生活所以警方已經到女子家中訪查已經給他口頭勸告了嘛因為現在也還不知道是什麼狀況那另外台北的案件是許淑華議員已經接獲消息後報案了所以調查中\n主委您剛剛的反應是這個事件當中現在在處理的程序也就是說因為他也只是在拍影像拍直播對他現在第一個他有可能狀況是只要他沒有經過家長的同意拍攝未成年人他基本上就是觸犯個資的嘛甚至是兒少法所以他有觸法的嫌疑所以如果是單純的這樣的事件確實應該是要由警方來調查沒有錯主委剛剛的回答是對的\n所以现在在这个阶段其实高雄也是警方介入台北的话也是议员已经去跟警方系统报备了嘛报案了嘛好可是我现在就是进入到你看我的PPT上面的第二层次甚至第三层次\n主委我要提醒如果拍攝者是中國人目前也不是只有單一頻道那他的身份很顯然比較敏感啊那我們是不是要開始有進一步的了解如果這麼數量是多的的話那在這個短時間內出現這麼多的拍攝學校周圍的兒童那他是不是有什麼目的\n那尤其為什麼又是學校學校如果根據我們的災害防救體系的話它其實是我們的避難收容場所所以大量的直播攝影這會不會又是另外一個國安疑慮呢所以我覺得陸委會如果有這個敏感度的話去了解這個事件我想應該是非常合理的主委你的看法怎麼樣\n謝謝委員 我們也是跟委員一樣的想法跟做法我們除了提供給教育部、治安單位了解對學生、兒少的這個侵犯對 我們現在的這個層次嘛 個案嘛 對啊因為每個學校它扮演著重要的角色而且很多都是抄中國大陸口音那當然有些說是陸配我們也會跟陸配網紅 我們熟識的我們呼籲他們不要這個\n影響兒少的相關法規 或影響校園安寧你這樣的去拍他們 那學生 師生都會心生恐懼所以你跟他討論的其實沒有講到什麼中國怎麼樣 中共怎麼樣你其實就是說 你這樣會打擾到小朋友喔而且是會有妨礙各自法 兒少法你也是這樣講而已嘛 對不對此外 我們都有把相關的影片傳給我們的安全單位 要去查查\n主委其實我今天用這個例子不但是跟您再次的在質詢台與備詢台之間提供這樣的消息並且要求陸委會提供提高敏感度之外其實我也必須要說用這個例子我們可以看得到其實中國中共如果現在有系統有新的要來蒐集台灣的各種資訊用各種方法來蒐集各種資訊其實這個就是可以是一個例子因為\n你其實他這個有統戰嗎 你不知道啊他是情收嗎 你知道嗎 你也不知道啊他有下指令叫這一些特定網紅從日常的直播改為去收集台灣的情資嗎可能甚至也沒有喔他沒有 他不需要下指令他只要做一個動作就好 他只要餵流量\n他只要讓拍攝這種影片類型的人的流量可以突然竄高那這些網紅這些網路的使用者他就說唉唷最近口耳相傳之間拍攝某一種類型就好像提高網路流量欸那就可以幫我帶貨啊他根本不用接收指令他就只要用流量的部分就可以竄起來這就是手法啊對不對所以中國會這樣做那我們有什麼反制的動作嗎\n我想我們一定要加強校園安全的維護那像這樣的一種侵入式的這種拍攝我想很多學校都反映學生都很惶恐那剛剛委員講了好幾個層次的國家安全每個層次我們都要全面的維護它對於不管是國家安全的層次對於國家重要基礎設施的維護以及它有可能是為了更施力\n就是帶流量種種的那我想這是必要進行比較大規模的我的意思其實在這裡剛剛這樣一系列的討論下來就是說中國的手法其實它不斷的翻新它甚至不用用跟你講國家民族大義我要統一台灣它只要給你餵流量它就可以得到它想要的政治目的了那反過來我們其實也應該可以有多種不同的方式來\n告訴人民應該要怎麼保護自己比如說如果在這邊你要跟他說這個就是中國網紅在幫中國刺探情報大家可能覺得說是嗎好像一時間沒有辦法接受可是反過來你告訴這些家長說你如果沒有在看到這種可疑人士拍攝孩子的時候\n你把他制止而且大家守望相助的互相看互相制止你的孩子就有可能是為馬賽克的照片沒有馬賽克的照片流傳在網路上面你的孩子的安全可能受到威脅我覺得所有的家長一定會警惕啊是\n所有的家長一定會警惕啊網紅可以為了流量要賣東西而做出有政治目的的狀況其實台灣人民也可以用各種的方式學習保護自己不只是保護國家的安全也是保護個人的安全\n我覺得陸委會的策略方式和跟人民的溝通狀況不但應該更積極而且要更多元這是我今天質詢的目的不曉得主委認同嗎非常感謝委員的提醒我們會來全力朝這個方向來做不過我也跟委員報告我覺得在台灣生活的大部分的陸配網紅都是合法的而且他甚至不知道他做這件事情有什麼狀況\n不過每一個個案都很重要我們都會一一來查處你甚至對如果主委提醒的很對所以如果在這樣的狀況下甚至我們應該讓這一些使用網路的網紅們了解說啊你這個流量突然變高了可能是因為有什麼狀況你要小心喔讓他們也有這個知識因為他們可能也不想做這件事情啊是\n對不對所以我覺得這有好幾個層次的部分所以我再次的提醒我的結論是陸委會要跟全國民眾不分是哪裡來的不分是在這裡住多久的都應該要有各種多元不同的資訊傳遞保護國家以及個人的安全這是我今天質詢的主旨這樣謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.674 --> 00:05.409\n好謝謝主席我們請邱主委邱主委有請\n\n00:10.543 --> 00:39.527\n主委好主委好主委我想跟你討論一下最近發生的事情就是近期在台北高雄都有發生中國直播組在校園附近開直播並且長時間拍攝學生的狀態如果你在抖音上面搜尋台灣小學生我們打這五個字下去其實會有很多東西跳出來你看這個最後面一個就是打了這個關鍵字以後直接在app上面抖音上面可以出現的狀況那其他是媒體已經披露的\n\n00:40.127 --> 01:06.417\n這可以說是相當的多而且最重要的是小朋友都沒有受到馬賽克的保護所以如果你要辨識身份如果你有心人士要辨識身份可以說是非常容易那甚至這些直播不只在學校附近還跟著孩子就直接到了安親班這樣的狀況請問陸委會你這邊有掌握嗎這是單一的人士單一定點嗎還是一個什麼狀況數量大概有多少你們有了解了嗎\n\n01:08.043 --> 01:22.521\n謝謝委員我想只有兩個層面第一個是這個抖音網路平台的問題第二個就是這個拍攝的這個活動在學校周遭我先問你大概數量有多少你有掌握了嗎\n\n01:23.121 --> 01:28.964\n我們遇到有這些應該有跟你反應過了我們都積極反應給我們的教育部還有我們的治安單位要查查以保護學生校園的安寧數量我們是因為我們\n\n01:40.629 --> 02:08.562\n至少不是單一事件嘛對不對絕對不是啦到處都有了嘛也不是單一個人嘛因為在出現在非常多的頻道上面這應該陸委會也有掌握吧沒有錯吧對我們有掌握而且立即查辦所以不是單一事件不是單一人事甚至不是抖音上面的單一頻道那這樣的話請問涉案人士的身份你們有掌握了嗎他大概都是什麼樣子的人知道了嗎\n\n02:09.994 --> 02:34.588\n如果同仁比較清楚可以同仁回答沒有關係我想我們都有給治安單位那這個比較完整的調查報告應該要由治安單位來回覆好那就我們這邊掌握到的資料其實第一個的話在高雄的部分已經查查看到第一個這個拍攝的狀況是這個拍攝的女生是從中國來的來台已經二十多年已經取得身份證了\n\n02:35.228 --> 02:44.918\n那因為呢看起來他就是一個生活的分享啊單純開直播賣生活雜貨分享生活所以警方已經到女子家中訪查已經給他口頭勸告了嘛因為現在也還不知道是什麼狀況那另外台北的案件是許淑華議員已經接獲消息後報案了所以調查中\n\n02:56.209 --> 03:19.064\n主委您剛剛的反應是這個事件當中現在在處理的程序也就是說因為他也只是在拍影像拍直播對他現在第一個他有可能狀況是只要他沒有經過家長的同意拍攝未成年人他基本上就是觸犯個資的嘛甚至是兒少法所以他有觸法的嫌疑所以如果是單純的這樣的事件確實應該是要由警方來調查沒有錯主委剛剛的回答是對的\n\n03:24.849 --> 03:39.487\n所以现在在这个阶段其实高雄也是警方介入台北的话也是议员已经去跟警方系统报备了嘛报案了嘛好可是我现在就是进入到你看我的PPT上面的第二层次甚至第三层次\n\n03:40.248 --> 03:54.414\n主委我要提醒如果拍攝者是中國人目前也不是只有單一頻道那他的身份很顯然比較敏感啊那我們是不是要開始有進一步的了解如果這麼數量是多的的話那在這個短時間內出現這麼多的拍攝學校周圍的兒童那他是不是有什麼目的\n\n04:02.637 --> 04:25.186\n那尤其為什麼又是學校學校如果根據我們的災害防救體系的話它其實是我們的避難收容場所所以大量的直播攝影這會不會又是另外一個國安疑慮呢所以我覺得陸委會如果有這個敏感度的話去了解這個事件我想應該是非常合理的主委你的看法怎麼樣\n\n04:25.886 --> 04:52.073\n謝謝委員我們也是跟委員一樣的想法跟做法我們除了提供給教育部、治安單位了解對學生、兒少的這個侵犯對我們現在的這個層次嘛個案嘛對啊因為每個學校它扮演著重要的角色而且很多都是抄中國大陸口音那當然有些說是陸配我們也會跟陸配網紅我們熟識的我們呼籲他們不要這個\n\n04:54.253 --> 05:07.677\n影響兒少的相關法規或影響校園安寧你這樣的去拍他們那學生師生都會心生恐懼所以你跟他討論的其實沒有講到什麼中國怎麼樣中共怎麼樣你其實就是說你這樣會打擾到小朋友喔而且是會有妨礙各自法兒少法你也是這樣講而已嘛對不對此外我們都有把相關的影片傳給我們的安全單位要去查查\n\n05:18.840 --> 05:47.263\n主委其實我今天用這個例子不但是跟您再次的在質詢台與備詢台之間提供這樣的消息並且要求陸委會提供提高敏感度之外其實我也必須要說用這個例子我們可以看得到其實中國中共如果現在有系統有新的要來蒐集台灣的各種資訊用各種方法來蒐集各種資訊其實這個就是可以是一個例子因為\n\n05:48.084 --> 06:08.260\n你其實他這個有統戰嗎你不知道啊他是情收嗎你知道嗎你也不知道啊他有下指令叫這一些特定網紅從日常的直播改為去收集台灣的情資嗎可能甚至也沒有喔他沒有他不需要下指令他只要做一個動作就好他只要餵流量\n\n06:09.411 --> 06:35.700\n他只要讓拍攝這種影片類型的人的流量可以突然竄高那這些網紅這些網路的使用者他就說唉唷最近口耳相傳之間拍攝某一種類型就好像提高網路流量欸那就可以幫我帶貨啊他根本不用接收指令他就只要用流量的部分就可以竄起來這就是手法啊對不對所以中國會這樣做那我們有什麼反制的動作嗎\n\n06:39.230 --> 07:07.743\n我想我們一定要加強校園安全的維護那像這樣的一種侵入式的這種拍攝我想很多學校都反映學生都很惶恐那剛剛委員講了好幾個層次的國家安全每個層次我們都要全面的維護它對於不管是國家安全的層次對於國家重要基礎設施的維護以及它有可能是為了更施力\n\n07:08.203 --> 07:35.042\n就是帶流量種種的那我想這是必要進行比較大規模的我的意思其實在這裡剛剛這樣一系列的討論下來就是說中國的手法其實它不斷的翻新它甚至不用用跟你講國家民族大義我要統一台灣它只要給你餵流量它就可以得到它想要的政治目的了那反過來我們其實也應該可以有多種不同的方式來\n\n07:36.483 --> 07:58.273\n告訴人民應該要怎麼保護自己比如說如果在這邊你要跟他說這個就是中國網紅在幫中國刺探情報大家可能覺得說是嗎好像一時間沒有辦法接受可是反過來你告訴這些家長說你如果沒有在看到這種可疑人士拍攝孩子的時候\n\n07:59.534 --> 08:15.848\n你把他制止而且大家守望相助的互相看互相制止你的孩子就有可能是為馬賽克的照片沒有馬賽克的照片流傳在網路上面你的孩子的安全可能受到威脅我覺得所有的家長一定會警惕啊是\n\n08:18.030 --> 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