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00:02:28,688\n交流合作我們一直長期就是說在對等尊嚴兩岸可以進行健康有序的對話與交流這些承諾我們沒有改變好謝謝主委可是不好意思您的看法跟我手上拿到這一份資料完全不一致其實賴清德總統在520的就職演說針對兩岸的問題是隻字未提\n\n8\n00:02:31,929 --> 00:02:51,320\n這點我必須要跟主委報告所以現在很多國人都在關心我覺得台灣社會以及台灣民眾以及我們國際友人希望看到的是賴清澤總統在520就職演說的時候他對兩岸的關係他的見解是什麼而不是因為這個是非常重要其他人不一定會看賴清澤總統在其他內容的一些說明\n\n9\n00:02:51,940 --> 00:03:14,868\n所以在這邊很多專家寫者有提出來相關的問題是不是賴清德總統他是想要改變現狀就是他過去不管是這個蔡英文總統或以德輝總統他們的想法其實賴清德是想要改變的那第二個有很多人在講說很多專家寫者講說是不是賴清德總統有受到國外的一些壓力說請他在這個就職演說的時候不要去講這樣的內容\n\n10\n00:03:15,888 --> 00:03:31,409\n那就你這邊身為這個陸委會的主委你一定有給他相關的建議那你給他什麼樣的建議他為何在520就職演說的時候對兩岸關係置之未提是不是可以請你再強加說明一下是跟委員報告反而跟委員所說的改變現狀剛好\n\n11\n00:03:32,911 --> 00:04:00,059\n是完全不一樣我們反而是要堅定的維護台海和平穩定的現狀那我們在過去已經強調所以艾總統有沒有接受到國外的指示比如美國的指示因為現在大家知道美國跟中國的關稅已經談下來了現在美國只有跟兩個國家談好關稅政策一個是英國一個是中國那是不是因為這樣子有受到美國的壓力請主委回答\n\n12\n00:04:01,092 --> 00:04:11,404\n委員的說法我是沒有,我們入委會內了,我們是沒有感受到了那你們當時有提說請總統不要對兩岸發聲,提出看法嗎?在總統就職演說的時候,你們有沒有提供相關的資料給總統?那他最後是選擇不談論相關的議題嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:21,575 --> 00:04:47,349\n我要問這個就是我剛有提到如果總統在五二零就職演說知識未提如何讓我們的友國讓我們台灣人民了解這個我們的台灣未來的走向到底是什麼方向我想委員剛剛有說他並不是知識未提他提了什麼十七項國安的這個因應策略的落實他沒有在就職演說的週年提這段話\n\n14\n00:04:49,695 --> 00:04:56,037\n我覺得他在回答記者有提到啦之前接受媒體採訪也有非常完整的這個兩岸的這個思考跟架構而且從去年520以來都\n\n15\n00:05:14,981 --> 00:05:43,639\n都這個是很完整的越來越完整所以好那我再簡單請教主委所以您針對賴清德總統在520就職周年談話隻字未提兩岸關係沒有隻字未提是帶過去的那提了什麼提了什麼這裡面就是沒有提啊就六十七項的國安第一策略他沒有寫在裡面啊主委這個白紙黑字我們一字一句都有看都是沒有提所以您認為他這樣的說法您是您身為幕僚也身為入委會的主委您是覺得認同的還是覺得應該他未來要再多加敘述\n\n16\n00:05:44,909 --> 00:06:09,000\n我想我們國家因應國內外的局勢相當多的問題我想兩岸的問題他過去已經談論很多那也蠻完整的具體架構大家也都很清楚我想我們尊重他對於議題的選擇不過就兩岸的重點我想我們國人都很關注我們\n\n17\n00:06:11,107 --> 00:06:38,448\n我們整個國安團隊也都很關注好謝謝主委那我希望說未來這件事情我還是我要重申針對我們國際的友人以及我們台灣的國人兩岸關係以及和平穩定我覺得對台灣國人很重要那我們希望說既然總統選擇的沒有知識未提我也希望說未來我們陸委會這邊一定要提供正確我相信是正確的資訊以及到底要不要提由總統自己來做決定好\n\n18\n00:06:38,928 --> 00:07:03,464\n第二個我想要請教去年520到現在滿一周年請問主委對兩岸的關係認為這一年是更好還是更不好以及我們過去一年兩岸我們所謂官方的溝通跟非官方的溝通不管是我們陸委會跟海基會我們的溝通的層級到哪裡針對司法互助我覺得人民最重要的是司法互助兩岸共打犯罪以及最重要的詐騙問題\n\n19\n00:07:04,785 --> 00:07:20,321\n我們台灣人最重視的這些問題我們陸委會跟海救已經過了一年了所以我想要請主委是不是簡單說明一下這些東西現在是不是有在進行還是現在因為兩岸是這個完全沒辦法溝通的情況下沒有辦法進行這樣的事情請主委回答\n\n20\n00:07:21,189 --> 00:07:37,807\n好謝謝我想兩岸關係的互動是雙方共同的責任那也許大家會覺得最近兩岸關係緊張這是我下一個問題台海的不安但是我要強調這個都是由於中國大陸對於我們\n\n21\n00:07:40,229 --> 00:07:58,798\n複合性的施壓而且步步進逼極限施壓不管是軍機間擾台外交打壓經濟脅迫社會滲透法律戰以及一連串的認知作戰灰色地帶侵擾滲透分化無所不在無口不入這些所造成對\n\n22\n00:07:59,818 --> 00:08:17,776\n整個區域跟台海不安以及整體兩岸關係緊張的根本因素主委好像沒有回答我的問題所以當然本席認為也是我們一定台灣一定要捍衛國家主權維持自由民主的生活方式所以下一題就是我要請教主委就是針對國人\n\n23\n00:08:18,737 --> 00:08:38,451\n但我們都想要兩岸要和平不要發生戰爭可是根據外交事務的期刊ForeignAffairs以及最近美國有開一個這個公聽會針對2027年這個有可能大陸會武力犯台那武力犯台的方式可能會第一個登陸台灣第二個或者是Blockade就是封鎖台灣或是甚至經濟上\n\n24\n00:08:39,612 --> 00:08:57,768\n經濟上或者是這個網路上的攻擊對這些東西因為不好意思在總統在就職演說沒有提到相關任何的內容請問列委會這邊有沒有跟總統討論或是跟國安單位討論如果能講就可以講如何防範降低風險以及降低國人對這個兩岸緊張情勢升溫的風險的這個考量謝謝委員\n\n25\n00:09:02,892 --> 00:09:22,542\n我想我們還是本於初衷在對等尊嚴能夠跟中國大陸來進行對話交流一直是我們對岸政策的主軸沒有改變我們也希望對岸能夠正視中華民國存在的客觀事實\n\n26\n00:09:23,522 --> 00:09:39,699\n同時面對兩岸問題在對等尊嚴我們來恢復各種有意義的交流讓兩岸關係能夠良性互動那同時面對中國大陸的極限施壓我們雖然對和平是堅持的總統也說\n\n27\n00:09:41,641 --> 00:10:00,141\n也說了很多這方面我們如何維護我們的國家安全我們的社會安定人民的福祉還是要靠我們自己就是落實總統所揭示的和平四大支柱行動方案也就是我們現在在前面落實14項的因應策略\n\n28\n00:10:00,461 --> 00:10:18,076\n好謝謝主委沒錯台灣是要保護自己沒錯那我也其實為什麼今天會問這麼多問題其實台灣不只要靠自己也要靠國際社會上比如說我們的鄰國或是美國相關歐洲相關的協助來保護台灣所以是這點我是非常認同主委那最後我是不是可以請這個我們這個海基會進來的吳董事長謝謝吳董事長\n\n29\n00:10:31,463 --> 00:10:46,742\n吳董事長謝謝吳董事長剛剛就是這一年來對這個海基會的這個協助跟奉獻那剛剛有聽到你大概的說明其實你也講得非常清楚其實現在是對話是完全的這個中斷\n\n30\n00:10:47,623 --> 00:11:15,063\n那這個交流其實是一直不斷的在努力還在繼續努力的部分那剛剛你在講對話的部分你用四個字來形容叫做審慎樂觀那就是說是不是說本席這邊可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外那未來兩岸的對話除了審慎樂觀以外有沒有其他你這邊想要來講的部分是不是可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外再給我們一些其他的建議\n\n31\n00:11:17,762 --> 00:11:42,014\n我的看法是這樣子就中華民國而言和平絕對是我們這個國家最核心的利益可是對中華人民共和國難道不是嗎戰爭真的是沒有贏家那麼對岸現在內政問題焦頭爛額\n\n32\n00:11:48,345 --> 00:12:15,929\n一個友善的台灣對它比較好還是一個敵對的台灣對它比較好那麼在過去幾年來台海和平安行已經變成舉世關切的共同問題所以我認為北京的領導人只要真正的\n\n33\n00:12:16,752 --> 00:12:45,292\n考虑他们的国家利益他们应该还是希望和平我特别注意到现在对岸的领导人习近平主席跟我们内总统之间其实也难得有一个交集两个人都公开讲希望两岸和平发展这是历史的机遇我的神圣德观将来\n\n34\n00:12:47,233 --> 00:12:51,225\n好董事長結束了嗎好謝謝好謝謝董事長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4724\t8736\t好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委邱主委有請\n15259\t36587\t政委好好主委好那今天是有關於陸委會跟海基會的質詢那首先我們其實賴清德總統就職520港版一周年那也很感謝主委這一年來的辛苦那其實人民最重視的就是現在不管是兩岸關係台灣的國際情勢以及關稅等等的相關問題所以當然賴清德總統\n37287\t48874\t任職滿一年的就職演說我們都非常重視那我相信主委應該有全程聽完賴清德就職週年的談話那我想要請教主委這邊請問賴清德520滿週年的這個演講針對兩岸的論述是什麼可不可以請主委稍微簡單說明一下\n56139\t66449\t我想520前夕他也接受很多媒體的採訪就職演說那一天就職演說的內容週年的談話我們陸委會正在跟各部會積極地在落實17項國安威脅的因應策略\n78320\t97066\t那這對我們來說是現在重中之重的事那我們不管是研修相關的這些法律法治的作業或者是積極的強化我們的整個這個管理機制我們都在\n98986\t122179\t強化同時也積極的在宣導如何未來的交流能夠回歸專業化單純化去風險化去統戰化這個都是我們努力的方向那也謝謝委員當然總統在答覆記者的時候也有提到只要對等尊嚴台灣樂意與中國大陸進行\n125563\t148688\t交流合作我們一直長期就是說在對等尊嚴兩岸可以進行健康有序的對話與交流這些承諾我們沒有改變好謝謝主委可是不好意思您的看法跟我手上拿到這一份資料完全不一致其實賴清德總統在520的就職演說針對兩岸的問題是隻字未提\n151929\t171320\t這點我必須要跟主委報告所以現在很多國人都在關心我覺得台灣社會以及台灣民眾以及我們國際友人希望看到的是賴清澤總統在520就職演說的時候他對兩岸的關係他的見解是什麼而不是因為這個是非常重要其他人不一定會看賴清澤總統在其他內容的一些說明\n171940\t194868\t所以在這邊很多專家寫者有提出來相關的問題是不是賴清德總統他是想要改變現狀就是他過去不管是這個蔡英文總統或以德輝總統他們的想法其實賴清德是想要改變的那第二個有很多人在講說很多專家寫者講說是不是賴清德總統有受到國外的一些壓力說請他在這個就職演說的時候不要去講這樣的內容\n195888\t211409\t那就你這邊身為這個陸委會的主委你一定有給他相關的建議那你給他什麼樣的建議他為何在520就職演說的時候對兩岸關係置之未提是不是可以請你再強加說明一下是 跟委員報告反而跟委員所說的改變現狀剛好\n212911\t240059\t是完全不一樣我們反而是要堅定的維護台海和平穩定的現狀那我們在過去已經強調所以艾總統有沒有接受到國外的指示比如美國的指示因為現在大家知道美國跟中國的關稅已經談下來了現在美國只有跟兩個國家談好關稅政策一個是英國一個是中國那是不是因為這樣子有受到美國的壓力請主委回答\n241092\t251404\t委員的說法我是沒有,我們入委會內了,我們是沒有感受到了那你們當時有提說請總統不要對兩岸發聲,提出看法嗎?在總統就職演說的時候,你們有沒有提供相關的資料給總統?那他最後是選擇不談論相關的議題嗎?\n261575\t287349\t我要問這個就是我剛有提到如果總統在五二零就職演說知識未提如何讓我們的友國讓我們台灣人民了解這個我們的台灣未來的走向到底是什麼方向我想委員剛剛有說他並不是知識未提他提了什麼十七項國安的這個因應策略的落實他沒有在就職演說的週年提這段話\n289695\t296037\t我覺得他在回答記者有提到啦之前接受媒體採訪也有非常完整的這個兩岸的這個思考跟架構而且從去年520以來都\n314981\t343639\t都 這個是很完整的越來越完整所以好 那我再簡單請教主委所以您針對賴清德總統在520就職周年談話隻字未提兩岸關係沒有隻字未提是帶過去的那提了什麼 提了什麼這裡面就是沒有提啊就六十七項的國安第一策略他沒有寫在裡面啊 主委這個白紙黑字我們一字一句都有看都是沒有提所以您認為他這樣的說法您是 您身為幕僚也身為入委會的主委您是覺得認同的還是覺得應該他未來要再多加敘述\n344909\t369000\t我想我們國家因應國內外的局勢相當多的問題我想兩岸的問題他過去已經談論很多那也蠻完整的具體架構大家也都很清楚我想我們尊重他對於議題的選擇不過就兩岸的重點我想我們國人都很關注我們\n371107\t398448\t我們整個國安團隊也都很關注好 謝謝主委那我希望說未來這件事情我還是我要重申針對我們國際的友人以及我們台灣的國人兩岸關係以及和平穩定我覺得對台灣國人很重要那我們希望說既然總統選擇的沒有知識未提我也希望說未來我們陸委會這邊一定要提供正確我相信是正確的資訊以及到底要不要提由總統自己來做決定好\n398928\t423464\t第二個我想要請教去年520到現在滿一周年請問主委對兩岸的關係認為這一年是更好還是更不好以及我們過去一年兩岸我們所謂官方的溝通跟非官方的溝通不管是我們陸委會跟海基會我們的溝通的層級到哪裡針對司法互助我覺得人民最重要的是司法互助兩岸共打犯罪以及最重要的詐騙問題\n424785\t440321\t我們台灣人最重視的這些問題我們陸委會跟海救已經過了一年了所以我想要請主委是不是簡單說明一下這些東西現在是不是有在進行還是現在因為兩岸是這個完全沒辦法溝通的情況下沒有辦法進行這樣的事情請主委回答\n441189\t457807\t好 謝謝 我想兩岸關係的互動是雙方共同的責任那也許大家會覺得最近兩岸關係緊張這是我下一個問題台海的不安但是我要強調這個都是由於中國大陸對於我們\n460229\t478798\t複合性的施壓而且步步進逼極限施壓不管是軍機間擾台外交打壓經濟脅迫社會滲透法律戰以及一連串的認知作戰灰色地帶侵擾滲透分化無所不在無口不入這些所造成對\n479818\t497776\t整個區域跟台海不安以及整體兩岸關係緊張的根本因素主委好像沒有回答我的問題所以當然本席認為也是我們一定台灣一定要捍衛國家主權維持自由民主的生活方式所以下一題就是我要請教主委就是針對國人\n498737\t518451\t但我們都想要兩岸要和平不要發生戰爭可是根據外交事務的期刊Foreign Affairs以及最近美國有開一個這個公聽會針對2027年這個有可能大陸會武力犯台那武力犯台的方式可能會第一個登陸台灣第二個或者是Blockade就是封鎖台灣或是甚至經濟上\n519612\t537768\t經濟上或者是這個網路上的攻擊對這些東西因為不好意思在總統在就職演說沒有提到相關任何的內容請問列委會這邊有沒有跟總統討論或是跟國安單位討論如果能講就可以講如何防範降低風險以及降低國人對這個兩岸緊張情勢升溫的風險的這個考量謝謝委員\n542892\t562542\t我想我們還是本於初衷在對等尊嚴能夠跟中國大陸來進行對話交流一直是我們對岸政策的主軸沒有改變我們也希望對岸能夠正視中華民國存在的客觀事實\n563522\t579699\t同時面對兩岸問題在對等尊嚴我們來恢復各種有意義的交流讓兩岸關係能夠良性互動那同時面對中國大陸的極限施壓我們雖然對和平是堅持的總統也說\n581641\t600141\t也說了很多這方面我們如何維護我們的國家安全我們的社會安定人民的福祉還是要靠我們自己就是落實總統所揭示的和平四大支柱行動方案也就是我們現在在前面落實14項的因應策略\n600461\t618076\t好謝謝主委 沒錯台灣是要保護自己沒錯那我也其實為什麼今天會問這麼多問題其實台灣不只要靠自己也要靠國際社會上比如說我們的鄰國或是美國相關歐洲相關的協助來保護台灣所以是這點我是非常認同主委那最後我是不是可以請這個我們這個海基會進來的吳董事長謝謝吳董事長\n631463\t646742\t吳董事長謝謝吳董事長剛剛就是這一年來對這個海基會的這個協助跟奉獻那剛剛有聽到你大概的說明其實你也講得非常清楚其實現在是對話是完全的這個中斷\n647623\t675063\t那這個交流其實是一直不斷的在努力還在繼續努力的部分那剛剛你在講對話的部分你用四個字來形容叫做審慎樂觀那就是說是不是說本席這邊可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外那未來兩岸的對話除了審慎樂觀以外有沒有其他你這邊想要來講的部分是不是可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外再給我們一些其他的建議\n677762\t702014\t我的看法是這樣子就中華民國而言和平絕對是我們這個國家最核心的利益可是對中華人民共和國難道不是嗎戰爭真的是沒有贏家那麼對岸現在內政問題焦頭爛額\n708345\t735929\t一個友善的台灣對它比較好還是一個敵對的台灣對它比較好那麼在過去幾年來台海和平安行已經變成舉世關切的共同問題所以我認為北京的領導人只要真正的\n736752\t765292\t考虑他们的国家利益他们应该还是希望和平我特别注意到现在对岸的领导人习近平主席跟我们内总统之间其实也难得有一个交集两个人都公开讲希望两岸和平发展这是历史的机遇我的神圣德观将来\n767233\t771225\t好 董事長結束了嗎好謝謝好謝謝董事長好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委邱主委有請\n政委好好主委好那今天是有關於陸委會跟海基會的質詢那首先我們其實賴清德總統就職520港版一周年那也很感謝主委這一年來的辛苦那其實人民最重視的就是現在不管是兩岸關係台灣的國際情勢以及關稅等等的相關問題所以當然賴清德總統\n任職滿一年的就職演說我們都非常重視那我相信主委應該有全程聽完賴清德就職週年的談話那我想要請教主委這邊請問賴清德520滿週年的這個演講針對兩岸的論述是什麼可不可以請主委稍微簡單說明一下\n我想520前夕他也接受很多媒體的採訪就職演說那一天就職演說的內容週年的談話我們陸委會正在跟各部會積極地在落實17項國安威脅的因應策略\n那這對我們來說是現在重中之重的事那我們不管是研修相關的這些法律法治的作業或者是積極的強化我們的整個這個管理機制我們都在\n強化同時也積極的在宣導如何未來的交流能夠回歸專業化單純化去風險化去統戰化這個都是我們努力的方向那也謝謝委員當然總統在答覆記者的時候也有提到只要對等尊嚴台灣樂意與中國大陸進行\n交流合作我們一直長期就是說在對等尊嚴兩岸可以進行健康有序的對話與交流這些承諾我們沒有改變好謝謝主委可是不好意思您的看法跟我手上拿到這一份資料完全不一致其實賴清德總統在520的就職演說針對兩岸的問題是隻字未提\n這點我必須要跟主委報告所以現在很多國人都在關心我覺得台灣社會以及台灣民眾以及我們國際友人希望看到的是賴清澤總統在520就職演說的時候他對兩岸的關係他的見解是什麼而不是因為這個是非常重要其他人不一定會看賴清澤總統在其他內容的一些說明\n所以在這邊很多專家寫者有提出來相關的問題是不是賴清德總統他是想要改變現狀就是他過去不管是這個蔡英文總統或以德輝總統他們的想法其實賴清德是想要改變的那第二個有很多人在講說很多專家寫者講說是不是賴清德總統有受到國外的一些壓力說請他在這個就職演說的時候不要去講這樣的內容\n那就你這邊身為這個陸委會的主委你一定有給他相關的建議那你給他什麼樣的建議他為何在520就職演說的時候對兩岸關係置之未提是不是可以請你再強加說明一下是 跟委員報告反而跟委員所說的改變現狀剛好\n是完全不一樣我們反而是要堅定的維護台海和平穩定的現狀那我們在過去已經強調所以艾總統有沒有接受到國外的指示比如美國的指示因為現在大家知道美國跟中國的關稅已經談下來了現在美國只有跟兩個國家談好關稅政策一個是英國一個是中國那是不是因為這樣子有受到美國的壓力請主委回答\n委員的說法我是沒有,我們入委會內了,我們是沒有感受到了那你們當時有提說請總統不要對兩岸發聲,提出看法嗎?在總統就職演說的時候,你們有沒有提供相關的資料給總統?那他最後是選擇不談論相關的議題嗎?\n我要問這個就是我剛有提到如果總統在五二零就職演說知識未提如何讓我們的友國讓我們台灣人民了解這個我們的台灣未來的走向到底是什麼方向我想委員剛剛有說他並不是知識未提他提了什麼十七項國安的這個因應策略的落實他沒有在就職演說的週年提這段話\n我覺得他在回答記者有提到啦之前接受媒體採訪也有非常完整的這個兩岸的這個思考跟架構而且從去年520以來都\n都 這個是很完整的越來越完整所以好 那我再簡單請教主委所以您針對賴清德總統在520就職周年談話隻字未提兩岸關係沒有隻字未提是帶過去的那提了什麼 提了什麼這裡面就是沒有提啊就六十七項的國安第一策略他沒有寫在裡面啊 主委這個白紙黑字我們一字一句都有看都是沒有提所以您認為他這樣的說法您是 您身為幕僚也身為入委會的主委您是覺得認同的還是覺得應該他未來要再多加敘述\n我想我們國家因應國內外的局勢相當多的問題我想兩岸的問題他過去已經談論很多那也蠻完整的具體架構大家也都很清楚我想我們尊重他對於議題的選擇不過就兩岸的重點我想我們國人都很關注我們\n我們整個國安團隊也都很關注好 謝謝主委那我希望說未來這件事情我還是我要重申針對我們國際的友人以及我們台灣的國人兩岸關係以及和平穩定我覺得對台灣國人很重要那我們希望說既然總統選擇的沒有知識未提我也希望說未來我們陸委會這邊一定要提供正確我相信是正確的資訊以及到底要不要提由總統自己來做決定好\n第二個我想要請教去年520到現在滿一周年請問主委對兩岸的關係認為這一年是更好還是更不好以及我們過去一年兩岸我們所謂官方的溝通跟非官方的溝通不管是我們陸委會跟海基會我們的溝通的層級到哪裡針對司法互助我覺得人民最重要的是司法互助兩岸共打犯罪以及最重要的詐騙問題\n我們台灣人最重視的這些問題我們陸委會跟海救已經過了一年了所以我想要請主委是不是簡單說明一下這些東西現在是不是有在進行還是現在因為兩岸是這個完全沒辦法溝通的情況下沒有辦法進行這樣的事情請主委回答\n好 謝謝 我想兩岸關係的互動是雙方共同的責任那也許大家會覺得最近兩岸關係緊張這是我下一個問題台海的不安但是我要強調這個都是由於中國大陸對於我們\n複合性的施壓而且步步進逼極限施壓不管是軍機間擾台外交打壓經濟脅迫社會滲透法律戰以及一連串的認知作戰灰色地帶侵擾滲透分化無所不在無口不入這些所造成對\n整個區域跟台海不安以及整體兩岸關係緊張的根本因素主委好像沒有回答我的問題所以當然本席認為也是我們一定台灣一定要捍衛國家主權維持自由民主的生活方式所以下一題就是我要請教主委就是針對國人\n但我們都想要兩岸要和平不要發生戰爭可是根據外交事務的期刊Foreign Affairs以及最近美國有開一個這個公聽會針對2027年這個有可能大陸會武力犯台那武力犯台的方式可能會第一個登陸台灣第二個或者是Blockade就是封鎖台灣或是甚至經濟上\n經濟上或者是這個網路上的攻擊對這些東西因為不好意思在總統在就職演說沒有提到相關任何的內容請問列委會這邊有沒有跟總統討論或是跟國安單位討論如果能講就可以講如何防範降低風險以及降低國人對這個兩岸緊張情勢升溫的風險的這個考量謝謝委員\n我想我們還是本於初衷在對等尊嚴能夠跟中國大陸來進行對話交流一直是我們對岸政策的主軸沒有改變我們也希望對岸能夠正視中華民國存在的客觀事實\n同時面對兩岸問題在對等尊嚴我們來恢復各種有意義的交流讓兩岸關係能夠良性互動那同時面對中國大陸的極限施壓我們雖然對和平是堅持的總統也說\n也說了很多這方面我們如何維護我們的國家安全我們的社會安定人民的福祉還是要靠我們自己就是落實總統所揭示的和平四大支柱行動方案也就是我們現在在前面落實14項的因應策略\n好謝謝主委 沒錯台灣是要保護自己沒錯那我也其實為什麼今天會問這麼多問題其實台灣不只要靠自己也要靠國際社會上比如說我們的鄰國或是美國相關歐洲相關的協助來保護台灣所以是這點我是非常認同主委那最後我是不是可以請這個我們這個海基會進來的吳董事長謝謝吳董事長\n吳董事長謝謝吳董事長剛剛就是這一年來對這個海基會的這個協助跟奉獻那剛剛有聽到你大概的說明其實你也講得非常清楚其實現在是對話是完全的這個中斷\n那這個交流其實是一直不斷的在努力還在繼續努力的部分那剛剛你在講對話的部分你用四個字來形容叫做審慎樂觀那就是說是不是說本席這邊可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外那未來兩岸的對話除了審慎樂觀以外有沒有其他你這邊想要來講的部分是不是可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外再給我們一些其他的建議\n我的看法是這樣子就中華民國而言和平絕對是我們這個國家最核心的利益可是對中華人民共和國難道不是嗎戰爭真的是沒有贏家那麼對岸現在內政問題焦頭爛額\n一個友善的台灣對它比較好還是一個敵對的台灣對它比較好那麼在過去幾年來台海和平安行已經變成舉世關切的共同問題所以我認為北京的領導人只要真正的\n考虑他们的国家利益他们应该还是希望和平我特别注意到现在对岸的领导人习近平主席跟我们内总统之间其实也难得有一个交集两个人都公开讲希望两岸和平发展这是历史的机遇我的神圣德观将来\n好 董事長結束了嗎好謝謝好謝謝董事長好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.724 --> 00:08.736\n好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委邱主委有請\n\n00:15.259 --> 00:36.587\n政委好好主委好那今天是有關於陸委會跟海基會的質詢那首先我們其實賴清德總統就職520港版一周年那也很感謝主委這一年來的辛苦那其實人民最重視的就是現在不管是兩岸關係台灣的國際情勢以及關稅等等的相關問題所以當然賴清德總統\n\n00:37.287 --> 00:48.874\n任職滿一年的就職演說我們都非常重視那我相信主委應該有全程聽完賴清德就職週年的談話那我想要請教主委這邊請問賴清德520滿週年的這個演講針對兩岸的論述是什麼可不可以請主委稍微簡單說明一下\n\n00:56.139 --> 01:06.449\n我想520前夕他也接受很多媒體的採訪就職演說那一天就職演說的內容週年的談話我們陸委會正在跟各部會積極地在落實17項國安威脅的因應策略\n\n01:18.320 --> 01:37.066\n那這對我們來說是現在重中之重的事那我們不管是研修相關的這些法律法治的作業或者是積極的強化我們的整個這個管理機制我們都在\n\n01:38.986 --> 02:02.179\n強化同時也積極的在宣導如何未來的交流能夠回歸專業化單純化去風險化去統戰化這個都是我們努力的方向那也謝謝委員當然總統在答覆記者的時候也有提到只要對等尊嚴台灣樂意與中國大陸進行\n\n02:05.563 --> 02:28.688\n交流合作我們一直長期就是說在對等尊嚴兩岸可以進行健康有序的對話與交流這些承諾我們沒有改變好謝謝主委可是不好意思您的看法跟我手上拿到這一份資料完全不一致其實賴清德總統在520的就職演說針對兩岸的問題是隻字未提\n\n02:31.929 --> 02:51.320\n這點我必須要跟主委報告所以現在很多國人都在關心我覺得台灣社會以及台灣民眾以及我們國際友人希望看到的是賴清澤總統在520就職演說的時候他對兩岸的關係他的見解是什麼而不是因為這個是非常重要其他人不一定會看賴清澤總統在其他內容的一些說明\n\n02:51.940 --> 03:14.868\n所以在這邊很多專家寫者有提出來相關的問題是不是賴清德總統他是想要改變現狀就是他過去不管是這個蔡英文總統或以德輝總統他們的想法其實賴清德是想要改變的那第二個有很多人在講說很多專家寫者講說是不是賴清德總統有受到國外的一些壓力說請他在這個就職演說的時候不要去講這樣的內容\n\n03:15.888 --> 03:31.409\n那就你這邊身為這個陸委會的主委你一定有給他相關的建議那你給他什麼樣的建議他為何在520就職演說的時候對兩岸關係置之未提是不是可以請你再強加說明一下是跟委員報告反而跟委員所說的改變現狀剛好\n\n03:32.911 --> 04:00.059\n是完全不一樣我們反而是要堅定的維護台海和平穩定的現狀那我們在過去已經強調所以艾總統有沒有接受到國外的指示比如美國的指示因為現在大家知道美國跟中國的關稅已經談下來了現在美國只有跟兩個國家談好關稅政策一個是英國一個是中國那是不是因為這樣子有受到美國的壓力請主委回答\n\n04:01.092 --> 04:11.404\n委員的說法我是沒有,我們入委會內了,我們是沒有感受到了那你們當時有提說請總統不要對兩岸發聲,提出看法嗎?在總統就職演說的時候,你們有沒有提供相關的資料給總統?那他最後是選擇不談論相關的議題嗎?\n\n04:21.575 --> 04:47.349\n我要問這個就是我剛有提到如果總統在五二零就職演說知識未提如何讓我們的友國讓我們台灣人民了解這個我們的台灣未來的走向到底是什麼方向我想委員剛剛有說他並不是知識未提他提了什麼十七項國安的這個因應策略的落實他沒有在就職演說的週年提這段話\n\n04:49.695 --> 04:56.037\n我覺得他在回答記者有提到啦之前接受媒體採訪也有非常完整的這個兩岸的這個思考跟架構而且從去年520以來都\n\n05:14.981 --> 05:43.639\n都這個是很完整的越來越完整所以好那我再簡單請教主委所以您針對賴清德總統在520就職周年談話隻字未提兩岸關係沒有隻字未提是帶過去的那提了什麼提了什麼這裡面就是沒有提啊就六十七項的國安第一策略他沒有寫在裡面啊主委這個白紙黑字我們一字一句都有看都是沒有提所以您認為他這樣的說法您是您身為幕僚也身為入委會的主委您是覺得認同的還是覺得應該他未來要再多加敘述\n\n05:44.909 --> 06:09.000\n我想我們國家因應國內外的局勢相當多的問題我想兩岸的問題他過去已經談論很多那也蠻完整的具體架構大家也都很清楚我想我們尊重他對於議題的選擇不過就兩岸的重點我想我們國人都很關注我們\n\n06:11.107 --> 06:38.448\n我們整個國安團隊也都很關注好謝謝主委那我希望說未來這件事情我還是我要重申針對我們國際的友人以及我們台灣的國人兩岸關係以及和平穩定我覺得對台灣國人很重要那我們希望說既然總統選擇的沒有知識未提我也希望說未來我們陸委會這邊一定要提供正確我相信是正確的資訊以及到底要不要提由總統自己來做決定好\n\n06:38.928 --> 07:03.464\n第二個我想要請教去年520到現在滿一周年請問主委對兩岸的關係認為這一年是更好還是更不好以及我們過去一年兩岸我們所謂官方的溝通跟非官方的溝通不管是我們陸委會跟海基會我們的溝通的層級到哪裡針對司法互助我覺得人民最重要的是司法互助兩岸共打犯罪以及最重要的詐騙問題\n\n07:04.785 --> 07:20.321\n我們台灣人最重視的這些問題我們陸委會跟海救已經過了一年了所以我想要請主委是不是簡單說明一下這些東西現在是不是有在進行還是現在因為兩岸是這個完全沒辦法溝通的情況下沒有辦法進行這樣的事情請主委回答\n\n07:21.189 --> 07:37.807\n好謝謝我想兩岸關係的互動是雙方共同的責任那也許大家會覺得最近兩岸關係緊張這是我下一個問題台海的不安但是我要強調這個都是由於中國大陸對於我們\n\n07:40.229 --> 07:58.798\n複合性的施壓而且步步進逼極限施壓不管是軍機間擾台外交打壓經濟脅迫社會滲透法律戰以及一連串的認知作戰灰色地帶侵擾滲透分化無所不在無口不入這些所造成對\n\n07:59.818 --> 08:17.776\n整個區域跟台海不安以及整體兩岸關係緊張的根本因素主委好像沒有回答我的問題所以當然本席認為也是我們一定台灣一定要捍衛國家主權維持自由民主的生活方式所以下一題就是我要請教主委就是針對國人\n\n08:18.737 --> 08:38.451\n但我們都想要兩岸要和平不要發生戰爭可是根據外交事務的期刊ForeignAffairs以及最近美國有開一個這個公聽會針對2027年這個有可能大陸會武力犯台那武力犯台的方式可能會第一個登陸台灣第二個或者是Blockade就是封鎖台灣或是甚至經濟上\n\n08:39.612 --> 08:57.768\n經濟上或者是這個網路上的攻擊對這些東西因為不好意思在總統在就職演說沒有提到相關任何的內容請問列委會這邊有沒有跟總統討論或是跟國安單位討論如果能講就可以講如何防範降低風險以及降低國人對這個兩岸緊張情勢升溫的風險的這個考量謝謝委員\n\n09:02.892 --> 09:22.542\n我想我們還是本於初衷在對等尊嚴能夠跟中國大陸來進行對話交流一直是我們對岸政策的主軸沒有改變我們也希望對岸能夠正視中華民國存在的客觀事實\n\n09:23.522 --> 09:39.699\n同時面對兩岸問題在對等尊嚴我們來恢復各種有意義的交流讓兩岸關係能夠良性互動那同時面對中國大陸的極限施壓我們雖然對和平是堅持的總統也說\n\n09:41.641 --> 10:00.141\n也說了很多這方面我們如何維護我們的國家安全我們的社會安定人民的福祉還是要靠我們自己就是落實總統所揭示的和平四大支柱行動方案也就是我們現在在前面落實14項的因應策略\n\n10:00.461 --> 10:18.076\n好謝謝主委沒錯台灣是要保護自己沒錯那我也其實為什麼今天會問這麼多問題其實台灣不只要靠自己也要靠國際社會上比如說我們的鄰國或是美國相關歐洲相關的協助來保護台灣所以是這點我是非常認同主委那最後我是不是可以請這個我們這個海基會進來的吳董事長謝謝吳董事長\n\n10:31.463 --> 10:46.742\n吳董事長謝謝吳董事長剛剛就是這一年來對這個海基會的這個協助跟奉獻那剛剛有聽到你大概的說明其實你也講得非常清楚其實現在是對話是完全的這個中斷\n\n10:47.623 --> 11:15.063\n那這個交流其實是一直不斷的在努力還在繼續努力的部分那剛剛你在講對話的部分你用四個字來形容叫做審慎樂觀那就是說是不是說本席這邊可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外那未來兩岸的對話除了審慎樂觀以外有沒有其他你這邊想要來講的部分是不是可以請你簡單除了審慎樂觀以外再給我們一些其他的建議\n\n11:17.762 --> 11:42.014\n我的看法是這樣子就中華民國而言和平絕對是我們這個國家最核心的利益可是對中華人民共和國難道不是嗎戰爭真的是沒有贏家那麼對岸現在內政問題焦頭爛額\n\n11:48.345 --> 12:15.929\n一個友善的台灣對它比較好還是一個敵對的台灣對它比較好那麼在過去幾年來台海和平安行已經變成舉世關切的共同問題所以我認為北京的領導人只要真正的\n\n12:16.752 --> 12:45.292\n考虑他们的国家利益他们应该还是希望和平我特别注意到现在对岸的领导人习近平主席跟我们内总统之间其实也难得有一个交集两个人都公开讲希望两岸和平发展这是历史的机遇我的神圣德观将来\n\n12:47.233 --> 12:51.225\n好董事長結束了嗎好謝謝好謝謝董事長好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.724,"end":8.736,"text":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委邱主委有請"},{"start":15.259,"end":36.587,"text":"政委好好主委好那今天是有關於陸委會跟海基會的質詢那首先我們其實賴清德總統就職520港版一周年那也很感謝主委這一年來的辛苦那其實人民最重視的就是現在不管是兩岸關係台灣的國際情勢以及關稅等等的相關問題所以當然賴清德總統"},{"start":37.287,"end":48.874,"text":"任職滿一年的就職演說我們都非常重視那我相信主委應該有全程聽完賴清德就職週年的談話那我想要請教主委這邊請問賴清德520滿週年的這個演講針對兩岸的論述是什麼可不可以請主委稍微簡單說明一下"},{"start":56.139,"end":66.449,"text":"我想520前夕他也接受很多媒體的採訪就職演說那一天就職演說的內容週年的談話我們陸委會正在跟各部會積極地在落實17項國安威脅的因應策略"},{"start":78.32,"end":97.066,"text":"那這對我們來說是現在重中之重的事那我們不管是研修相關的這些法律法治的作業或者是積極的強化我們的整個這個管理機制我們都在"},{"start":98.986,"end":122.179,"text":"強化同時也積極的在宣導如何未來的交流能夠回歸專業化單純化去風險化去統戰化這個都是我們努力的方向那也謝謝委員當然總統在答覆記者的時候也有提到只要對等尊嚴台灣樂意與中國大陸進行"},{"start":125.563,"end":148.688,"text":"交流合作我們一直長期就是說在對等尊嚴兩岸可以進行健康有序的對話與交流這些承諾我們沒有改變好謝謝主委可是不好意思您的看法跟我手上拿到這一份資料完全不一致其實賴清德總統在520的就職演說針對兩岸的問題是隻字未提"},{"start":151.929,"end":171.32,"text":"這點我必須要跟主委報告所以現在很多國人都在關心我覺得台灣社會以及台灣民眾以及我們國際友人希望看到的是賴清澤總統在520就職演說的時候他對兩岸的關係他的見解是什麼而不是因為這個是非常重要其他人不一定會看賴清澤總統在其他內容的一些說明"},{"start":171.94,"end":194.868,"text":"所以在這邊很多專家寫者有提出來相關的問題是不是賴清德總統他是想要改變現狀就是他過去不管是這個蔡英文總統或以德輝總統他們的想法其實賴清德是想要改變的那第二個有很多人在講說很多專家寫者講說是不是賴清德總統有受到國外的一些壓力說請他在這個就職演說的時候不要去講這樣的內容"},{"start":195.888,"end":211.409,"text":"那就你這邊身為這個陸委會的主委你一定有給他相關的建議那你給他什麼樣的建議他為何在520就職演說的時候對兩岸關係置之未提是不是可以請你再強加說明一下是 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