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00:00:32,804\n好謝謝主席周委員好好局長我今天來跟你討論我認為可能有國安的議題那您聽聽看那再告訴我你們現在目前可能聽起來的狀況之前在2022年有一個直攔高雄鋼鐵人港資案那當時行政機關處理得很好那第一時間做了相關的處理但是我要提醒相關國安的滲透可能不是只有在過往我們認為那些領域當中目前我們看到有一個案子是這樣子的\n\n3\n00:00:33,664 --> 00:00:49,996\n那事實上中國這幾年其實透過收購海外的球隊這件事情其實我相信您是知道的對嗎好那有沒有可能台灣有相關的案例有的有一個台灣體育運動大學在台中在2024年他們把以及足球聯賽的參賽資格\n\n4\n00:00:53,637 --> 00:01:13,926\n轉讓給峰會體育有限公司好那這個案子呢從教育部那邊我們辦公室已經積極在處理了我們認為這件事情是不妥的那不妥的原因那教育部這邊當然有教育部該做的事情高教師後來實地去調查認為不管是用印合作內容檢視法專盤點都有可能涉及到港資或中資所以\n\n5\n00:01:14,306 --> 00:01:27,877\n但是因為之前沒有相關的機制所以他們後續怎麼檢討教育部那邊我們辦公室會持續追蹤但是我要跟您討論的是下一件事情我們來看下一頁我們認為大學自治不能當成是一個藉口可是我們來看相關的權利轉讓文件呢\n\n6\n00:01:30,399 --> 00:01:55,471\n其實是很有問題那目前他們這個案子是這樣他光是球隊教練一個人簽名就把台體大數十年聯賽的參賽資格拱手送人我們來看一下他送給了哪一家公司呢就是我剛跟您說的峰會體育有限公司如果我們到經濟部的網站上去查可能看不出他有中資的問題但是峰會體育有限公司的這個負責人他其實也是另外一家公司叫做等一下\n\n7\n00:01:59,761 --> 00:02:23,858\n我把那個公司的名字抓出來等我一下這個馮世文他本人又是美麥公司的董事兼發言人而這個美麥公司的前身是好玩家而這個好玩家集團就跟港資跟公資會牽扯上關係我講到這麼多就是目前因為球隊內部的管控機制跟台體大的管控機制不良導致於他們把這個球隊的參賽資格轉讓出去了而且是簽約賣出去了\n\n8\n00:02:28,141 --> 00:02:54,052\n賣出去之後我們發現他背後可能是港資跟中資我不知道聽到目前為止你覺得有什麼意義對我們會有在注意的是對岸透過一些兩岸交流來做一些統戰滲透的活動是那對委員在提醒到對岸有沒有涉入到我們國內的一些球隊或是大學的一些球隊的活動那甚至用資金來介入相關的經營管理權這部分我們要再來注意好\n\n9\n00:02:54,532 --> 00:03:19,419\n這個案子我們到時候會相關的資料會跟你們討論可是我認為這應該不會只是個案它可能會有陸續其他通案的問題因為我要提醒陸委會的是在國外的俱樂部參賽權利的收購跟轉讓都是所謂的商業行為可是在中華足協的足球聯賽它是FIFA亞足聯系統賽事參賽的球隊都具有代表台灣參加國際賽事的可能性\n\n10\n00:03:20,427 --> 00:03:49,424\n意思就是如同我剛剛說的如果他背後是中資或港資但是他把這個台灣球隊買下來他是代表台灣去參加國際賽事那不只是出賽那個當下的狀況而是他在整個球隊營運的過程當中他會如何進行所謂滲透的行為而這件事情難道對台灣的國安沒有影響嗎請你想像一下在一個國際的舞台上一個背後的老闆是中資或港資他所持有的球隊他如何面對中國相關的要求跟壓力\n\n11\n00:03:50,345 --> 00:04:00,938\n更不要講其他因為運動而產生的其他問題那我要提醒的是其實不是只有足球包含排球在台灣由單項協會所主辦的企業聯賽他們也都有機會代表台灣去參加國際體育組織所主辦的亞洲賽事\n\n12\n00:04:09,508 --> 00:04:30,487\n他穿上的台灣制服代表台灣出賽但是他背後卻是港資跟中資這件事情我要積極拜託陸委會有沒有可能去關注這個事情然後作為你們日後重要業務推廣跟情報資料收集的方向之一好一般中資港資的活動我們傳統上比較關注的重點是在有沒有一些竊密攬財是\n\n13\n00:04:32,709 --> 00:04:50,627\n據高科技的產業的發展來簽名攬財那我提醒的是有沒有這些中資港資在台灣涉入到相關球隊活動以外還去影響到台灣的國際賽事的參賽權的安排或主辦權的安排那這部分我們再來瞭解一下包括跟陸委會或教育部這邊來看相關\n\n14\n00:04:52,128 --> 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