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00:00:30,723\n好謝謝主席主席我們請交通部陳部長請部長部長早部長我想大家還是非常關注昨天前兩天發生的意外昨天也有一起在這個台南也發生類似的這個爆衝的狀況所以這個行車安全跟行人安全的部分都是本席上任以來也非常關注那當時我也記得你當\n\n2\n00:00:33,743 --> 00:00:53,580\n剛剛擔任部長的時候我也期許說我們人本交通能夠作為你部長任的一個重要的政績我們先看一張圖這個是我在一個臉書叫行路無虎口看到的一個圖剛好在回應這個新的事件那這是一個瑞士氣死理論你看到其實昨天會發生前兩天會發生這個78歲的高齡駕駛衝撞\n\n3\n00:00:57,965 --> 00:01:18,724\n針對性的衝撞不管是這個學童也好還是這個機車駕駛人也好它是一連串的失誤發生導致了這樣的結果那包含說我們現在對駕駛人們迴避的制度那嚴重違規有沒有要太處還有高齡駕駛怎麼管理跟學區道路安全設施每一項每一項我想在不同的單位質詢的時候大家都提過\n\n4\n00:01:19,505 --> 00:01:37,105\n相關的建議跟概念但就是可能是每一個段落都有點缺失缺失缺失最後導致了這個三峽事件的結果那我們回到今天討論一個主題想大家現在關注所謂的高齡駕駛管理因為部長你昨天提到要從75歲降到70歲那我們看到各國的標準\n\n5\n00:01:39,773 --> 00:02:01,158\n我想你參考的日本的標準是從70歲開始訂那各國當然都有不同的標準我想韓國新加坡英國義大利等等大家都有不同的標準跟規範那義大利比較嚴格它從50歲設為一個區間50到7070到8080以上等等的那我們現在好像是只是針對目前是75以上那當然你說要改到70以上這部分我\n\n6\n00:02:01,638 --> 00:02:18,688\n我對年齡本身沒有太大的意見要70歲75歲65歲60歲都可以但我比較有意見的是什麼是針對這個換照的規定部長你很清楚現在不管75歲或是你要把他下修到70歲他換照的這個標準我們看現狀就好我們看現狀這個認知測驗\n\n7\n00:02:26,004 --> 00:02:51,860\n基本上我也做了一下測試認識測驗部長很清楚嘛基本上就是問你今天幾月幾號星期幾你在哪裡然後再來就是問十張圖記得三張圖就可以了然後最後畫一張這個我畫得比較醜啦就是畫個時鐘嘛就這樣然後就通過了我想對太醜了對不起畫得比較醜但是這我認識是沒問題的所以這樣我就能夠取得所謂的70現在是75歲未來70歲的這個駕照我就能夠取得駕照繼續開車\n\n8\n00:02:56,041 --> 00:03:19,167\n那我昨天前兩天發生的事情之後我想這兩天我也收到很多的陳情很多的中年子女來跟我陳情說他們希望我們在換照制度上能夠更確實就如同他們他們也陪他們父母去做這個測試啊有些子女是不同意不希望他的爸媽七八十歲還去開車\n\n9\n00:03:20,933 --> 00:03:37,102\n那這個爸爸媽媽會跟他講說啊夠膽就給我架腳啊我就通過了啊我就開開心心的上路我就大大方方的上路我加上是取得我是換照取得的但是因為他們有參與到這個過程就是去測試這個過程所以他們知道說這個測試就只做這些測驗\n\n10\n00:03:40,024 --> 00:04:02,046\n連新的交通法規包括我們現在強調行人優先人們交通就是文化的問題不管是法規問題還是相關的文化問題並沒有在重新換照的過程裡面讓他重新去受到訓練受到教育他就只是把這個認識我確定他沒有失智確定他有基本的辨識能力他的體檢沒有什麼太大問題那就讓他上路了所以不知道部長這個\n\n11\n00:04:03,487 --> 00:04:20,707\n你把70歲降到70歲這部分我沒有什麼太大意義但是問題是這個內容未來要不要調整還是要怎麼調整這個部分我其實昨天的記者會說明當中也有報告過這個部分我們會來做調整包含他的認知功能測驗的內容還有再加上危險感知的能力的測驗這個也會加進來\n\n12\n00:04:22,549 --> 00:04:43,656\n那另外就是針對他的四肢的靈活度這個也會加進來那另外委員您剛剛有提到就是說有沒有需要再重新訓練我們也會把講習加進來至少要參加半天的這個交通安全的講習的訓練也就是說他駕駛能力的訓練必須要把它強固起來那這個部分在未來的修正當中都會來加入\n\n13\n00:04:44,264 --> 00:05:01,457\n我昨天看到你講的說比如說重新駕駛重新入考訓練等等是針對可能有肇事紀錄的人對有肇事紀錄的就必須要實地訓練我們會實地訓練就是讓他實際上開車然後我們的考官也好或者訓練官也好就會在旁邊看他實際開車的狀況\n\n14\n00:05:03,118 --> 00:05:20,638\n那我這個換照的部分我想問說今天換照的部分是對這個高齡駕駛不管是定70歲還是後來會修正系數或怎麼樣所謂的重新換照它是重新就像我們重新考就像我們當年18歲考駕照一樣嘛它是一個重新開始的做法它是只是針對這幾項通過之後就可以\n\n15\n00:05:22,580 --> 00:05:34,954\n我還要講其實真的到七八十歲他重新拿駕照的時候他的法規不是全面重考啦不是全面重考就是我們所訂的那幾項測驗他必須要通過他必須要通過通過了之後我們就會給他駕照\n\n16\n00:05:35,851 --> 00:06:02,064\n那你們什麼時候會提出大家關心時程嗎三個月之後我們會來提出好那我們先等你提出來我們再來看怎麼檢討啦那回到這除了個人之外我想很多是政府的工程面我們之前包含我們之前也提到了包含說緩速坡或是說行人穿越道等等的這部分我們在其他的業務質詢裡面也都提到如果學區附近有所謂的緩速坡那可能以三峽的事情為例即便它是蓄意的\n\n17\n00:06:03,164 --> 00:06:17,375\n可能它造成的傷害也不會這麼嚴重所以到底什麼時候才要真正的把所謂的緩速波減速波把它列入法規裡面這之前有問過了現在國土署他們有跟有訂新的方案因為其實地方政府\n\n18\n00:06:18,135 --> 00:06:38,781\n做這個通學步道的部分跟通學道的部分他們的申請的那個經費是來自於國土署那國土署現在已經有把這個列為是重要的項目他們必須要把這個設計進來列為他們未來願不願意補助或補助多少的一個標準我們希望這個是把它列到法規啦不要說只是說這個政策現在\n\n19\n00:06:40,323 --> 00:06:59,142\n陳部長支持隔壁劉部長支持所以我們就做那未來如果萬一其他人上來當部長或其他人當局長的時候這個東西就不了了之了所以我們就要把它入法有一個指引那主要在市區裡面主管是地方政府那國土署是協助他們補助的部分當然交通部也會補助一部分\n\n20\n00:07:00,023 --> 00:07:20,416\n那這個部分其實我們三個單位必須要大家來協商來協議那我們也會盡量說服並且要求他們在物理上面的防範的作為要再更加強那我所知道的是內政部國土組他們已經有在研商這件事情那希望未來更有強制力地方政府有一個可以依循的方向\n\n21\n00:07:21,356 --> 00:07:48,861\n這要盡快最後一分鐘剩下最後一分鐘而已來剛剛講的這些都是物理的問題還有一個就是針對車輛本身美國這兩天之前有發布一個規定說2029年他們說銷售車輛必須配備所謂的自動緊急煞車系統當然現在市售有些車子他們已經標榜說這個有自動緊急煞車的功能了所以它可能價格稍微再高一點但是美國是有直接另一個法規是2029年他們所有市售車輛都要往這個方向來推進\n\n22\n00:07:49,761 --> 00:08:04,313\n那這個可能就能夠完完全全的去解決這種蓄意的因為我們剛剛我們現在訂的所有法規都是針對正常的一般的普通的狀況但昨天那個前幾天那個事情看起來很像蓄意但我沒有證據只是說假設有人蓄意要衝撞的\n\n23\n00:08:05,054 --> 00:08:21,123\n或是上個月發生在其他城市那種蓄力衝撞的那種衝撞路人的這種行為如果今天車輛每個車輛他都有裝所謂的自動警察的系統的話他是不是就有機會在物理上科技上來避免這事情發生我不知道我國有沒有去考慮參考美國的意見去做這樣的\n\n24\n00:08:22,123 --> 00:08:38,493\n報告委員其實我們現在的新車我們跟歐盟的規範是一樣的在民國112年開始我們對於新車的這些安全的科技的規範有一定的要求這個部分其實已經有放進去所以現在我看大部分的新車應該車上都有這樣的設備了我說自動緊急煞車\n\n25\n00:08:40,861 --> 00:08:52,082\n自動緊急煞車當然偵測沒問題吧就是我雷達或什麼會嗶嗶嗶的那今天如果有人刻意的去做這個事情他的車輛本身有沒有自動緊急煞車系統能夠做呢\n\n26\n00:08:54,666 --> 00:09:16,493\n車輛技術都是日新月異在這個發展那這個法規也在發展那有關於AEBS的部分在聯合國法規裡面先大車或小車那大車我們導入那小車現在正在導入跟這個歐盟的這個規範是一致的我們希望盡快納入因為我是覺得別的國家既然有這個參考又有這個時程表出來了那我們是不是也能夠快點訂出相關的時程表跟法規好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4298\t30723\t好謝謝主席 主席我們請交通部陳部長請部長部長早部長我想大家還是非常關注昨天前兩天發生的意外 昨天也有一起在這個台南也發生類似的這個爆衝的狀況所以這個行車安全跟行人安全的部分都是本席上任以來也非常關注 那當時我也記得你當\n33743\t53580\t剛剛擔任部長的時候我也期許說我們人本交通能夠作為你部長任的一個重要的政績我們先看一張圖 這個是我在一個臉書叫行路無虎口看到的一個圖 剛好在回應這個新的事件那這是一個瑞士氣死理論你看到其實昨天會發生 前兩天會發生這個78歲的高齡駕駛衝撞\n57965\t78724\t針對性的衝撞不管是這個學童也好還是這個機車駕駛人也好它是一連串的失誤發生導致了這樣的結果那包含說我們現在對駕駛人們迴避的制度那嚴重違規有沒有要太處還有高齡駕駛怎麼管理跟學區道路安全設施每一項每一項我想在不同的單位質詢的時候大家都提過\n79505\t97105\t相關的建議跟概念但就是可能是每一個段落都有點缺失缺失缺失最後導致了這個三峽事件的結果那我們回到今天討論一個主題想大家現在關注所謂的高齡駕駛管理因為部長你昨天提到要從75歲降到70歲那我們看到各國的標準\n99773\t121158\t我想你參考的日本的標準是從70歲開始訂那各國當然都有不同的標準我想韓國 新加坡 英國 義大利等等大家都有不同的標準跟規範那義大利比較嚴格它從50歲設為一個區間50到70 70到80 80以上等等的那我們現在好像是只是針對目前是75以上那當然你說要改到70以上這部分我\n121638\t138688\t我對年齡本身沒有太大的意見要70歲 75歲 65歲 60歲都可以但我比較有意見的是什麼是針對這個換照的規定部長你很清楚現在不管75歲或是你要把他下修到70歲他換照的這個標準我們看現狀就好我們看現狀這個認知測驗\n146004\t171860\t基本上我也做了一下測試認識測驗部長很清楚嘛基本上就是問你今天幾月幾號星期幾你在哪裡然後再來就是問十張圖記得三張圖就可以了然後最後畫一張這個我畫得比較醜啦就是畫個時鐘嘛就這樣然後就通過了我想對太醜了對不起畫得比較醜但是這我認識是沒問題的所以這樣我就能夠取得所謂的70現在是75歲未來70歲的這個駕照我就能夠取得駕照繼續開車\n176041\t199167\t那我昨天 前兩天發生的事情之後我想這兩天我也收到很多的陳情 很多的中年子女來跟我陳情說他們希望我們在換照制度上能夠更確實就如同他們 他們也陪他們父母去做這個測試啊有些子女是不同意 不希望他的爸媽七八十歲還去開車\n200933\t217102\t那這個爸爸媽媽會跟他講說啊 夠膽就給我架腳啊我就通過了啊我就開開心心的上路我就大大方方的上路我加上是取得我是換照取得的但是因為他們有參與到這個過程就是去測試這個過程所以他們知道說這個測試就只做這些測驗\n220024\t242046\t連新的交通法規包括我們現在強調行人優先人們交通就是文化的問題不管是法規問題還是相關的文化問題並沒有在重新換照的過程裡面讓他重新去受到訓練受到教育他就只是把這個認識我確定他沒有失智確定他有基本的辨識能力他的體檢沒有什麼太大問題那就讓他上路了所以不知道部長這個\n243487\t260707\t你把70歲降到70歲這部分我沒有什麼太大意義但是問題是這個內容未來要不要調整還是要怎麼調整這個部分我其實昨天的記者會說明當中也有報告過這個部分我們會來做調整包含他的認知功能測驗的內容還有再加上危險感知的能力的測驗這個也會加進來\n262549\t283656\t那另外就是針對他的四肢的靈活度這個也會加進來那另外委員您剛剛有提到就是說有沒有需要再重新訓練我們也會把講習加進來至少要參加半天的這個交通安全的講習的訓練也就是說他駕駛能力的訓練必須要把它強固起來那這個部分在未來的修正當中都會來加入\n284264\t301457\t我昨天看到你講的說比如說重新駕駛重新入考訓練等等是針對可能有肇事紀錄的人對有肇事紀錄的就必須要實地訓練我們會實地訓練就是讓他實際上開車然後我們的考官也好或者訓練官也好就會在旁邊看他實際開車的狀況\n303118\t320638\t那我這個換照的部分 我想問說今天換照的部分是對這個高齡駕駛 不管是定70歲還是後來會修正系數或怎麼樣所謂的重新換照 它是重新 就像我們重新考 就像我們當年18歲考駕照一樣嘛它是一個重新開始的做法 它是只是針對這幾項 通過之後就可以\n322580\t334954\t我還要講其實真的到七八十歲他重新拿駕照的時候他的法規不是全面重考啦不是全面重考就是我們所訂的那幾項測驗他必須要通過他必須要通過通過了之後我們就會給他駕照\n335851\t362064\t那你們什麼時候會提出大家關心時程嗎三個月之後我們會來提出好那我們先等你提出來我們再來看怎麼檢討啦那回到這除了個人之外我想很多是政府的工程面我們之前 包含我們之前也提到了包含說緩速坡或是說行人穿越道等等的這部分我們在其他的業務質詢裡面也都提到如果學區附近有所謂的緩速坡那可能以三峽的事情為例即便它是蓄意的\n363164\t377375\t可能它造成的傷害也不會這麼嚴重所以到底什麼時候才要真正的把所謂的緩速波 減速波把它列入法規裡面這之前有問過了現在國土署他們有跟有訂新的方案因為其實地方政府\n378135\t398781\t做這個通學步道的部分跟通學道的部分他們的申請的那個經費是來自於國土署那國土署現在已經有把這個列為是重要的項目他們必須要把這個設計進來列為他們未來願不願意補助或補助多少的一個標準我們希望這個是把它列到法規啦不要說只是說這個政策現在\n400323\t419142\t陳部長支持 隔壁劉部長支持所以我們就做那未來如果萬一其他人上來當部長或其他人當局長的時候這個東西就不了了之了所以我們就要把它入法有一個指引那主要在市區裡面主管是地方政府那國土署是協助他們補助的部分當然交通部也會補助一部分\n420023\t440416\t那這個部分其實我們三個單位必須要大家來協商來協議那我們也會盡量說服並且要求他們在物理上面的防範的作為要再更加強那我所知道的是內政部國土組他們已經有在研商這件事情那希望未來更有強制力地方政府有一個可以依循的方向\n441356\t468861\t這要盡快 最後一分鐘 剩下最後一分鐘而已來 剛剛講的這些都是物理的問題還有一個就是針對車輛本身美國這兩天之前有發布一個規定說2029年他們說銷售車輛必須配備所謂的自動緊急煞車系統當然現在市售有些車子他們已經標榜說這個有自動緊急煞車的功能了所以它可能價格稍微再高一點但是美國是有直接另一個法規是2029年他們所有市售車輛都要往這個方向來推進\n469761\t484313\t那這個可能就能夠完完全全的去解決這種蓄意的因為我們剛剛我們現在訂的所有法規都是針對正常的一般的普通的狀況但昨天那個前幾天那個事情看起來很像蓄意但我沒有證據只是說假設有人蓄意要衝撞的\n485054\t501123\t或是上個月發生在其他城市那種蓄力衝撞的那種衝撞路人的這種行為如果今天車輛每個車輛他都有裝所謂的自動警察的系統的話他是不是就有機會在物理上科技上來避免這事情發生我不知道我國有沒有去考慮參考美國的意見去做這樣的\n502123\t518493\t報告委員其實我們現在的新車我們跟歐盟的規範是一樣的在民國112年開始我們對於新車的這些安全的科技的規範有一定的要求這個部分其實已經有放進去所以現在我看大部分的新車應該車上都有這樣的設備了我說自動緊急煞車\n520861\t532082\t自動緊急煞車當然偵測沒問題吧就是我雷達或什麼會嗶嗶嗶的那今天如果有人刻意的去做這個事情他的車輛本身有沒有自動緊急煞車系統能夠做呢\n534666\t556493\t車輛技術都是日新月異在這個發展那這個法規也在發展那有關於AEBS的部分在聯合國法規裡面先大車或小車那大車我們導入那小車現在正在導入跟這個歐盟的這個規範是一致的我們希望盡快納入因為我是覺得別的國家既然有這個參考又有這個時程表出來了那我們是不是也能夠快點訂出相關的時程表跟法規好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席 主席我們請交通部陳部長請部長部長早部長我想大家還是非常關注昨天前兩天發生的意外 昨天也有一起在這個台南也發生類似的這個爆衝的狀況所以這個行車安全跟行人安全的部分都是本席上任以來也非常關注 那當時我也記得你當\n剛剛擔任部長的時候我也期許說我們人本交通能夠作為你部長任的一個重要的政績我們先看一張圖 這個是我在一個臉書叫行路無虎口看到的一個圖 剛好在回應這個新的事件那這是一個瑞士氣死理論你看到其實昨天會發生 前兩天會發生這個78歲的高齡駕駛衝撞\n針對性的衝撞不管是這個學童也好還是這個機車駕駛人也好它是一連串的失誤發生導致了這樣的結果那包含說我們現在對駕駛人們迴避的制度那嚴重違規有沒有要太處還有高齡駕駛怎麼管理跟學區道路安全設施每一項每一項我想在不同的單位質詢的時候大家都提過\n相關的建議跟概念但就是可能是每一個段落都有點缺失缺失缺失最後導致了這個三峽事件的結果那我們回到今天討論一個主題想大家現在關注所謂的高齡駕駛管理因為部長你昨天提到要從75歲降到70歲那我們看到各國的標準\n我想你參考的日本的標準是從70歲開始訂那各國當然都有不同的標準我想韓國 新加坡 英國 義大利等等大家都有不同的標準跟規範那義大利比較嚴格它從50歲設為一個區間50到70 70到80 80以上等等的那我們現在好像是只是針對目前是75以上那當然你說要改到70以上這部分我\n我對年齡本身沒有太大的意見要70歲 75歲 65歲 60歲都可以但我比較有意見的是什麼是針對這個換照的規定部長你很清楚現在不管75歲或是你要把他下修到70歲他換照的這個標準我們看現狀就好我們看現狀這個認知測驗\n基本上我也做了一下測試認識測驗部長很清楚嘛基本上就是問你今天幾月幾號星期幾你在哪裡然後再來就是問十張圖記得三張圖就可以了然後最後畫一張這個我畫得比較醜啦就是畫個時鐘嘛就這樣然後就通過了我想對太醜了對不起畫得比較醜但是這我認識是沒問題的所以這樣我就能夠取得所謂的70現在是75歲未來70歲的這個駕照我就能夠取得駕照繼續開車\n那我昨天 前兩天發生的事情之後我想這兩天我也收到很多的陳情 很多的中年子女來跟我陳情說他們希望我們在換照制度上能夠更確實就如同他們 他們也陪他們父母去做這個測試啊有些子女是不同意 不希望他的爸媽七八十歲還去開車\n那這個爸爸媽媽會跟他講說啊 夠膽就給我架腳啊我就通過了啊我就開開心心的上路我就大大方方的上路我加上是取得我是換照取得的但是因為他們有參與到這個過程就是去測試這個過程所以他們知道說這個測試就只做這些測驗\n連新的交通法規包括我們現在強調行人優先人們交通就是文化的問題不管是法規問題還是相關的文化問題並沒有在重新換照的過程裡面讓他重新去受到訓練受到教育他就只是把這個認識我確定他沒有失智確定他有基本的辨識能力他的體檢沒有什麼太大問題那就讓他上路了所以不知道部長這個\n你把70歲降到70歲這部分我沒有什麼太大意義但是問題是這個內容未來要不要調整還是要怎麼調整這個部分我其實昨天的記者會說明當中也有報告過這個部分我們會來做調整包含他的認知功能測驗的內容還有再加上危險感知的能力的測驗這個也會加進來\n那另外就是針對他的四肢的靈活度這個也會加進來那另外委員您剛剛有提到就是說有沒有需要再重新訓練我們也會把講習加進來至少要參加半天的這個交通安全的講習的訓練也就是說他駕駛能力的訓練必須要把它強固起來那這個部分在未來的修正當中都會來加入\n我昨天看到你講的說比如說重新駕駛重新入考訓練等等是針對可能有肇事紀錄的人對有肇事紀錄的就必須要實地訓練我們會實地訓練就是讓他實際上開車然後我們的考官也好或者訓練官也好就會在旁邊看他實際開車的狀況\n那我這個換照的部分 我想問說今天換照的部分是對這個高齡駕駛 不管是定70歲還是後來會修正系數或怎麼樣所謂的重新換照 它是重新 就像我們重新考 就像我們當年18歲考駕照一樣嘛它是一個重新開始的做法 它是只是針對這幾項 通過之後就可以\n我還要講其實真的到七八十歲他重新拿駕照的時候他的法規不是全面重考啦不是全面重考就是我們所訂的那幾項測驗他必須要通過他必須要通過通過了之後我們就會給他駕照\n那你們什麼時候會提出大家關心時程嗎三個月之後我們會來提出好那我們先等你提出來我們再來看怎麼檢討啦那回到這除了個人之外我想很多是政府的工程面我們之前 包含我們之前也提到了包含說緩速坡或是說行人穿越道等等的這部分我們在其他的業務質詢裡面也都提到如果學區附近有所謂的緩速坡那可能以三峽的事情為例即便它是蓄意的\n可能它造成的傷害也不會這麼嚴重所以到底什麼時候才要真正的把所謂的緩速波 減速波把它列入法規裡面這之前有問過了現在國土署他們有跟有訂新的方案因為其實地方政府\n做這個通學步道的部分跟通學道的部分他們的申請的那個經費是來自於國土署那國土署現在已經有把這個列為是重要的項目他們必須要把這個設計進來列為他們未來願不願意補助或補助多少的一個標準我們希望這個是把它列到法規啦不要說只是說這個政策現在\n陳部長支持 隔壁劉部長支持所以我們就做那未來如果萬一其他人上來當部長或其他人當局長的時候這個東西就不了了之了所以我們就要把它入法有一個指引那主要在市區裡面主管是地方政府那國土署是協助他們補助的部分當然交通部也會補助一部分\n那這個部分其實我們三個單位必須要大家來協商來協議那我們也會盡量說服並且要求他們在物理上面的防範的作為要再更加強那我所知道的是內政部國土組他們已經有在研商這件事情那希望未來更有強制力地方政府有一個可以依循的方向\n這要盡快 最後一分鐘 剩下最後一分鐘而已來 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03:37.102\n那這個爸爸媽媽會跟他講說啊夠膽就給我架腳啊我就通過了啊我就開開心心的上路我就大大方方的上路我加上是取得我是換照取得的但是因為他們有參與到這個過程就是去測試這個過程所以他們知道說這個測試就只做這些測驗\n\n03:40.024 --> 04:02.046\n連新的交通法規包括我們現在強調行人優先人們交通就是文化的問題不管是法規問題還是相關的文化問題並沒有在重新換照的過程裡面讓他重新去受到訓練受到教育他就只是把這個認識我確定他沒有失智確定他有基本的辨識能力他的體檢沒有什麼太大問題那就讓他上路了所以不知道部長這個\n\n04:03.487 --> 04:20.707\n你把70歲降到70歲這部分我沒有什麼太大意義但是問題是這個內容未來要不要調整還是要怎麼調整這個部分我其實昨天的記者會說明當中也有報告過這個部分我們會來做調整包含他的認知功能測驗的內容還有再加上危險感知的能力的測驗這個也會加進來\n\n04:22.549 --> 04:43.656\n那另外就是針對他的四肢的靈活度這個也會加進來那另外委員您剛剛有提到就是說有沒有需要再重新訓練我們也會把講習加進來至少要參加半天的這個交通安全的講習的訓練也就是說他駕駛能力的訓練必須要把它強固起來那這個部分在未來的修正當中都會來加入\n\n04:44.264 --> 05:01.457\n我昨天看到你講的說比如說重新駕駛重新入考訓練等等是針對可能有肇事紀錄的人對有肇事紀錄的就必須要實地訓練我們會實地訓練就是讓他實際上開車然後我們的考官也好或者訓練官也好就會在旁邊看他實際開車的狀況\n\n05:03.118 --> 05:20.638\n那我這個換照的部分我想問說今天換照的部分是對這個高齡駕駛不管是定70歲還是後來會修正系數或怎麼樣所謂的重新換照它是重新就像我們重新考就像我們當年18歲考駕照一樣嘛它是一個重新開始的做法它是只是針對這幾項通過之後就可以\n\n05:22.580 --> 05:34.954\n我還要講其實真的到七八十歲他重新拿駕照的時候他的法規不是全面重考啦不是全面重考就是我們所訂的那幾項測驗他必須要通過他必須要通過通過了之後我們就會給他駕照\n\n05:35.851 --> 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