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00:01:44,452\n說一下而是能夠真正的執行到位那我為什麼會特別這樣子講這個歡照年齡要不要下修那部長已經宣布了那我覺得宣布了那我們怎麼做做得好因為過去我也曾經\n\n5\n00:01:45,533 --> 00:01:59,950\n在質詢台上質詢交通部這個換照制度呢這個我們的監察院就曾經糾正過這個高齡駕駛的換照制度沒有全面實施管理只做半套那現在下修的年齡同樣的我們還是有問題要去面對跟解決\n\n6\n00:02:04,195 --> 00:02:26,382\n那如何分階段的來解決管理不要只做半套我覺得這個部長也應該在接下來這半年間好好的跟我們行政單位跟學者專家研議如何的來處理這第一件事第二件事情我們要配套就是要鼓勵要讓我們的高齡駕駛長者對交通駕駛規定\n\n7\n00:02:31,023 --> 00:02:58,272\n規則安全的認知那雖然部長在三字件裡面提到一個對70歲以上自願繳回駕照者提供TPAS的補助那剛剛其他很多委員都在關心的是TPAS是比較類都會或是都會型的高齡者比較會使用的那偏鄉地區我們有很多的不同的多元化的一個交通運具的補助來解決那我希望不是只有這樣子\n\n8\n00:02:59,332 --> 00:03:10,123\n因為更進一步的我必須要提醒部長我們現在TPAS的一個政策成功但是我們並沒有進一步的去盤點運用AI大數據的一個原理去盤點出什麼我們現在的使用者的樣態分析\n\n9\n00:03:17,608 --> 00:03:27,419\n我們現在有的都只是一個大的數據譬如說我爬梳到的台中彰化南投跟苗栗地區從2023年7月1號開始約有48萬人次使用TPAS我們的通勤月票\n\n10\n00:03:33,166 --> 00:03:52,403\n那搭乘客運台鐵捷運等等3900萬人次是優惠搭車的常客我們的爬樹的數據的掌握度直到這裡為止喔在這個48萬人次使用T-pass裡面到底又有多少是屬於高齡者在使用有嗎我們有這樣的數據嗎\n\n11\n00:03:56,988 --> 00:04:24,831\n這個部分報告委員您的提醒其實應該是要做啦我們把它去識別化之後應該要把整個數據去分析說我們使用的年齡是哪些年齡這個絕對我們現在的技術一定做得到一個一個大數據的一個分析來作為政策的依據或是未來政策的走向這個是本來就是現代的一個行政體系該有的一個做法現在運研所他們有一個專案正在做這件事情\n\n12\n00:04:26,031 --> 00:04:51,277\n運研所的專案都很慢啦部長我現在要求是你們第一個要有效率第二個要運用科技第三個要有分析為依據嘛如果當我們說要做TPAS的一個補助那鼓勵繳回這個高齡者繳回駕照可是你在這之前你完全不知道現在在使用TPAS裡面的高齡者到底有多少使用比例那\n\n13\n00:04:51,937 --> 00:04:55,401\n那你如何去定定未來的補助跟鼓勵那你這半年內做得到嗎\n\n14\n00:05:02,851 --> 00:05:23,544\n應該是可以啦應該是可以好不能說應該是可以是你一定要做到因為你已經宣布了三支鍵了其中一支鍵就是要我即便沒有這個數據這個政策還是可以做得到是好那有數據為依據的話是讓你自己知道說我這樣子補助到底有沒有成效所以第一個如何補助\n\n15\n00:05:26,218 --> 00:05:47,009\n我們是針對T-pass的假設目前他T-pass可能要花一千塊那我們會再補助一定的金額讓他取得T-pass的成本不要這麼高這個部分是我們目前在研議的方向目前在研議的方向就是對於高齡者如果使用T-pass應該要鼓勵他運用公共運輸應該這樣子講就是說不要自己開車啦可以用公車啦、巴士啦、捷運啦\n\n16\n00:05:55,413 --> 00:06:14,899\n台鐵啦我們就鼓勵他用這個嘛對不對好那你鼓勵那所以說就是第一個金錢上每一位高齡駕駛者的只要申請T-Pass的一個優惠價優惠票價再鼓勵他再讓他比如說他把它台中的話是299那你可能再給他優惠變成250\n\n17\n00:06:16,719 --> 00:06:39,568\n是這樣的方式嗎?對,是這樣的方式,沒有錯但他必須要繳回駕照,就是不要再開車跟直行車我的意思是說你要把這個第一個三支鍵裡面的每一支鍵裡面的配套還有補助的方式執行的方式我覺得也都要讓國人清楚其實我昨天有說得蠻清楚這個補助的方式可能媒體他寫的那個範圍比較沒有寫到那第二個\n\n18\n00:06:43,769 --> 00:06:53,753\n我認為這個宣導的方式應該要更多元跟生活化我在上一次的質詢的時候就已經提過了就是說上次我還記得這個次長還會有說他爸爸也是高齡駕駛要跟他溝通有時候他很固執說不動那我那時候還跟我們的次長講說那我們要\n\n19\n00:07:05,538 --> 00:07:25,425\n跟長者溝通就要用他們聽得懂的方式跟語言嘛對不對所以我們的宣導方式要多元跟生活化那以我們現在有沒有出去盤點檢討我們現在的宣導的方式那不是死板板的只是在念法條給他聽嘛那譬如說我們助理我們老人家喜歡看什麼\n\n20\n00:07:27,386 --> 00:07:49,618\n那有沒有辦法那個置入行銷是利用生活中的戲劇老人家常接觸的一個管道去置入宣傳我覺得這個是一個必須要用頭腦用心去想的一件事那又比如說我們高齡駕駛未來我們的管理制度裡面是不是針對譬如說五年八年它那無招式\n\n21\n00:07:51,119 --> 00:08:01,891\n無違規那我們是不是有一個表揚類似啦這個都是你必須去想的一個宣導方式讓高齡者的駕駛對於這個第一個交通規則第二個\n\n22\n00:08:05,956 --> 00:08:27,226\n道路上的行駛的一個安全的一個規則第三個對習慣不良的習慣是不是應該導正第三個在增進他的知能認知的各項的功能方面呢我們都能夠提供一個安全的一個用路的一個環境而且讓他能夠的感知認知能夠做到\n\n23\n00:08:28,566 --> 00:08:45,515\n對不對部長是沒有錯委員這個建議都很好我們都會來參考所以我在拜託啦其實我接下來還有那個標誌標線標誌標線我覺得我簡單講一下啦標誌標線是在交通部1月有提一個這個指引啦但是呢我們看到1到4月相關的違規\n\n24\n00:08:47,148 --> 00:09:05,613\n建還是增加了25%那第一個為什麼會增加當然是主觀的違規故意的違規我不知道或者是我們自己的標誌標線的一個號誌的一個指引不清我相信網路上大家討論過很多譬如說光是那個紅綠燈號誌的爸爸將\n\n25\n00:09:07,794 --> 00:09:26,586\n大家看不懂那開在路上的時候我的感知認知哪些燈可以左轉哪些是直行又可以左轉哪些那不行那我這裡只舉了五個樣態每一個樣態其實我都不知道這四個燈裡面它的指引方式是什麼那\n\n26\n00:09:29,076 --> 00:09:46,988\n我們雖然已經有指引了無所適從因為不知道所以我不是故意違規而是因為不知道而被開罰單而被檢舉這個東西一國多制我是建議部長你自己可以去看一下你生活中你自己也會開車\n\n27\n00:09:48,971 --> 00:10:15,668\n我只舉一個例子你們自己的一個規則裡面214條禁止圓綠燈跟箭頭綠燈同時顯示但是又允許例外設置所以有的會殺人有的不會殺人到底誰說了算甚至連警察在判讀的時候都會誤判基層員警理解不一所以導致取締標準不同\n\n28\n00:10:16,987 --> 00:10:31,714\n這個呢其實都是民怨之來源那如果為了我們的交通安全那我們自己的一個設施號誌標線設置設施的這樣子的一個指引我覺得要更明確啦那宣導要更多啦好不好好以上\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3109\t7810\t好 謝謝趙偉那我們是不是請陳士凱部長請部長部長最近辛苦了但是每一件事情我們都要給他做好是 沒錯我想今天早上大家都很關注就是三峽高齡駕駛肇事的問題那我也非常肯定部長在第一時間昨天有開記者會\n32396\t60776\t那有推三支箭希望能夠痛定思痛的來做改變因為事情發生了我們要如何去亡羊補牢讓未來能夠不要再讓這個悲劇重演我想這個是我們執政的責任那這個責任我想要有很多的配套措施雖然你推了三支箭但是每一支箭裡面的一個配套措施我不知道部長\n61996\t88891\t未來在這半年內因為這三事件您說要下半年度來執行我們希望115年115年所以115年離現在大概還有半年多的時間那半年多的時間我們如何去盤點如何去找配套又如何規劃時程我覺得需要部長再更進一步的來交代我想國人都在等待這樣子的改革不是只有\n90132\t104452\t說一下而是能夠真正的執行到位那我為什麼會特別這樣子講這個歡照年齡要不要下修那部長已經宣布了那我覺得宣布了那我們怎麼做做得好因為過去我也曾經\n105533\t119950\t在質詢台上質詢交通部這個換照制度呢這個我們的監察院就曾經糾正過這個高齡駕駛的換照制度沒有全面實施管理只做半套那現在下修的年齡同樣的我們還是有問題要去面對跟解決\n124195\t146382\t那如何分階段的來解決管理不要只做半套我覺得這個部長也應該在接下來這半年間好好的跟我們行政單位跟學者專家研議如何的來處理這第一件事第二件事情我們要配套就是要鼓勵要讓我們的高齡駕駛長者對交通駕駛規定\n151023\t178272\t規則安全的認知那雖然部長在三字件裡面提到一個對70歲以上自願繳回駕照者提供TPAS的補助那剛剛其他很多委員都在關心的是TPAS是比較類都會或是都會型的高齡者比較會使用的那偏鄉地區我們有很多的不同的多元化的一個交通運具的補助來解決那我希望不是只有這樣子\n179332\t190123\t因為更進一步的我必須要提醒部長我們現在TPAS的一個政策成功但是我們並沒有進一步的去盤點運用AI大數據的一個原理去盤點出什麼我們現在的使用者的樣態分析\n197608\t207419\t我們現在有的都只是一個大的數據譬如說我爬梳到的台中彰化南投跟苗栗地區從2023年7月1號開始約有48萬人次使用TPAS我們的通勤月票\n213166\t232403\t那搭乘客運台鐵捷運等等3900萬人次是優惠搭車的常客我們的爬樹的數據的掌握度直到這裡為止喔在這個48萬人次使用T-pass裡面到底又有多少是屬於高齡者在使用有嗎 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我們看到1到4月相關的違規\n527148\t545613\t建還是增加了25%那第一個為什麼會增加當然是主觀的違規故意的違規我不知道或者是我們自己的標誌標線的一個號誌的一個指引不清我相信網路上大家討論過很多譬如說光是那個紅綠燈號誌的爸爸將\n547794\t566586\t大家看不懂那開在路上的時候我的感知認知哪些燈可以左轉哪些是直行又可以左轉哪些那不行那我這裡只舉了五個樣態每一個樣態其實我都不知道這四個燈裡面它的指引方式是什麼那\n569076\t586988\t我們雖然已經有指引了 無所適從因為不知道所以我不是故意違規而是因為不知道而被開罰單 而被檢舉這個東西一國多制我是建議部長 你自己可以去看一下你生活中你自己也會開車\n588971\t615668\t我只舉一個例子你們自己的一個規則裡面214條禁止圓綠燈跟箭頭綠燈同時顯示但是又允許例外設置所以有的會殺人 有的不會殺人到底誰說了算甚至連警察在判讀的時候都會誤判基層員警理解不一所以導致取締標準不同\n616987\t631714\t這個呢其實都是民怨之來源那如果為了我們的交通安全那我們自己的一個設施號誌標線設置設施的這樣子的一個指引我覺得要更明確啦那宣導要更多啦好不好好以上\n","txt":"好 謝謝趙偉那我們是不是請陳士凱部長請部長部長最近辛苦了但是每一件事情我們都要給他做好是 沒錯我想今天早上大家都很關注就是三峽高齡駕駛肇事的問題那我也非常肯定部長在第一時間昨天有開記者會\n那有推三支箭希望能夠痛定思痛的來做改變因為事情發生了我們要如何去亡羊補牢讓未來能夠不要再讓這個悲劇重演我想這個是我們執政的責任那這個責任我想要有很多的配套措施雖然你推了三支箭但是每一支箭裡面的一個配套措施我不知道部長\n未來在這半年內因為這三事件您說要下半年度來執行我們希望115年115年所以115年離現在大概還有半年多的時間那半年多的時間我們如何去盤點如何去找配套又如何規劃時程我覺得需要部長再更進一步的來交代我想國人都在等待這樣子的改革不是只有\n說一下而是能夠真正的執行到位那我為什麼會特別這樣子講這個歡照年齡要不要下修那部長已經宣布了那我覺得宣布了那我們怎麼做做得好因為過去我也曾經\n在質詢台上質詢交通部這個換照制度呢這個我們的監察院就曾經糾正過這個高齡駕駛的換照制度沒有全面實施管理只做半套那現在下修的年齡同樣的我們還是有問題要去面對跟解決\n那如何分階段的來解決管理不要只做半套我覺得這個部長也應該在接下來這半年間好好的跟我們行政單位跟學者專家研議如何的來處理這第一件事第二件事情我們要配套就是要鼓勵要讓我們的高齡駕駛長者對交通駕駛規定\n規則安全的認知那雖然部長在三字件裡面提到一個對70歲以上自願繳回駕照者提供TPAS的補助那剛剛其他很多委員都在關心的是TPAS是比較類都會或是都會型的高齡者比較會使用的那偏鄉地區我們有很多的不同的多元化的一個交通運具的補助來解決那我希望不是只有這樣子\n因為更進一步的我必須要提醒部長我們現在TPAS的一個政策成功但是我們並沒有進一步的去盤點運用AI大數據的一個原理去盤點出什麼我們現在的使用者的樣態分析\n我們現在有的都只是一個大的數據譬如說我爬梳到的台中彰化南投跟苗栗地區從2023年7月1號開始約有48萬人次使用TPAS我們的通勤月票\n那搭乘客運台鐵捷運等等3900萬人次是優惠搭車的常客我們的爬樹的數據的掌握度直到這裡為止喔在這個48萬人次使用T-pass裡面到底又有多少是屬於高齡者在使用有嗎 我們有這樣的數據嗎\n這個部分報告委員您的提醒其實應該是要做啦我們把它去識別化之後應該要把整個數據去分析說我們使用的年齡是哪些年齡這個絕對我們現在的技術一定做得到一個一個大數據的一個分析來作為政策的依據或是未來政策的走向這個是本來就是現代的一個行政體系該有的一個做法現在運研所他們有一個專案正在做這件事情\n運研所的專案都很慢啦部長我現在要求是你們第一個要有效率第二個要運用科技第三個要有分析為依據嘛如果當我們說要做TPAS的一個補助那鼓勵繳回這個高齡者繳回駕照可是你在這之前你完全不知道現在在使用TPAS裡面的高齡者到底有多少使用比例那\n那你如何去定定未來的補助跟鼓勵那你這半年內做得到嗎\n應該是可以啦應該是可以好不能說應該是可以是你一定要做到因為你已經宣布了三支鍵了其中一支鍵就是要我即便沒有這個數據這個政策還是可以做得到是好那有數據為依據的話是讓你自己知道說我這樣子補助到底有沒有成效所以第一個如何補助\n我們是針對T-pass的假設目前他T-pass可能要花一千塊那我們會再補助一定的金額讓他取得T-pass的成本不要這麼高這個部分是我們目前在研議的方向目前在研議的方向就是對於高齡者如果使用T-pass應該要鼓勵他運用公共運輸應該這樣子講就是說不要自己開車啦可以用公車啦、巴士啦、捷運啦\n台鐵啦 我們就鼓勵他用這個嘛 對不對好 那你鼓勵 那所以說就是第一個金錢上每一位高齡駕駛者的只要申請T-Pass的一個優惠價優惠票價再鼓勵他再讓他 比如說他把它台中的話是299那你可能再給他優惠變成250\n是這樣的方式嗎?對,是這樣的方式,沒有錯但他必須要繳回駕照,就是不要再開車跟直行車我的意思是說你要把這個第一個三支鍵裡面的每一支鍵裡面的配套還有補助的方式執行的方式我覺得也都要讓國人清楚其實我昨天有說得蠻清楚這個補助的方式可能媒體他寫的那個範圍比較沒有寫到那第二個\n我認為這個宣導的方式應該要更多元跟生活化我在上一次的質詢的時候就已經提過了就是說上次我還記得這個次長還會有說他爸爸也是高齡駕駛要跟他溝通有時候他很固執說不動那我那時候還跟我們的次長講說那我們要\n跟長者溝通就要用他們聽得懂的方式跟語言嘛對不對所以我們的宣導方式要多元跟生活化那以我們現在有沒有出去盤點檢討我們現在的宣導的方式那不是死板板的只是在念法條給他聽嘛那譬如說我們助理我們老人家喜歡看什麼\n那有沒有辦法那個置入行銷是利用生活中的戲劇老人家常接觸的一個管道去置入宣傳我覺得這個是一個必須要用頭腦用心去想的一件事那又比如說我們高齡駕駛未來我們的管理制度裡面是不是針對譬如說五年八年它那無招式\n無違規那我們是不是有一個表揚類似啦 這個都是你必須去想的一個宣導方式讓高齡者的駕駛對於這個第一個交通規則第二個\n道路上的行駛的一個安全的一個規則第三個對習慣不良的習慣是不是應該導正第三個在增進他的知能認知的各項的功能方面呢我們都能夠提供一個安全的一個用路的一個環境而且讓他能夠的感知認知能夠做到\n對不對 部長是 沒有錯委員這個建議都很好 我們都會來參考所以我在拜託啦其實我接下來還有那個標誌標線標誌標線我覺得我簡單講一下啦標誌標線是在交通部1月有提一個這個指引啦但是呢 我們看到1到4月相關的違規\n建還是增加了25%那第一個為什麼會增加當然是主觀的違規故意的違規我不知道或者是我們自己的標誌標線的一個號誌的一個指引不清我相信網路上大家討論過很多譬如說光是那個紅綠燈號誌的爸爸將\n大家看不懂那開在路上的時候我的感知認知哪些燈可以左轉哪些是直行又可以左轉哪些那不行那我這裡只舉了五個樣態每一個樣態其實我都不知道這四個燈裡面它的指引方式是什麼那\n我們雖然已經有指引了 無所適從因為不知道所以我不是故意違規而是因為不知道而被開罰單 而被檢舉這個東西一國多制我是建議部長 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