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00:03:03,328\n本來我們的核管法裡面沒有延譯這個項目他們現在說要用延譯但是目前我們所聽到的世界上有延譯的有潛力但沒有重啟的潛力你所知道的世界上核電廠有重啟的潛力嗎有沒有人知道\n\n9\n00:03:07,435 --> 00:03:30,006\n主委副主委貨幣組長有重啟的潛力嗎目前我知道有三座有申請但還沒有批准有申請沒有批准是不是這樣子沒有重啟的潛力好那麼就算是有核管法有這樣的研議的可能那這些桶子還放在核電廠裡面是不是這樣子是可以永遠放在核電廠裡面嗎\n\n10\n00:03:31,703 --> 00:03:49,148\n他有一定期限期限大概多久到了沒有還沒還沒多久我們核准當時是40年40年也就是說核電廠開始營運後這些核廢桶放在腸子裡面只能40年那快到期了吧還有多久到期\n\n11\n00:03:50,731 --> 00:04:17,884\n應該三場部應該還沒大概還有幾年確確數據我有可能三年五年不只不只十年因為他是比較後來比較後來的還有十年假設還有十年的時間我們要在十年之前完成最終處置場是不是這個程序是不是這樣子所以過去我們看到了從2006年開始到了2012年2013年所有到當時馬總統時期的江怡化院長也都在尋子到現在都還沒有確定往下看\n\n12\n00:04:18,766 --> 00:04:41,952\n好非核教員是不是我們的永續目標主委是的好那這個當中在2019年訂定的裡面有什麼持續推動低放核廢的最終處置的選址作業是不是這樣要盡速地把兩女的牽走完成了沒有還沒還沒嘛是不是要推動高放的最終處置設施的法制作業完成了沒有\n\n13\n00:04:43,943 --> 00:05:04,772\n還沒有嘛所以這樣的一個行政院的目標主委是不是包括核安會包括相關的行政院的機關都有責任有義務去盡速完成不管誰執政主委是不是這樣子是的下一頁好我就要結束了所以請核安會請你們就高放核廢的處置場的選址部分\n\n14\n00:05:05,872 --> 00:05:27,625\n我當然知道這是經濟部的權責但是呢核安會基於民眾對於核安的了解請你們呢來進行一個全台灣各縣市的民意調查了解民眾對於高階核放放置在該縣市的支持度可以嗎做個民意調查我不叫你做公民投票做民意調查因為你們要協助民眾有這個認知\n\n15\n00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:47,908\n主委可以嗎報告委員那個經濟部其實他有一個社會溝通計畫我現在不是在質詢經濟部我在質詢核安會核安會主管核能包括民眾對核安的認知這個認知很重要請你們去調查民眾的認知主委可以嗎\n\n16\n00:05:49,955 --> 00:06:13,016\n我覺得民意調查是個非常專業的東西你們可以委託專業的公司去做啊我們河岸並沒有能力去做這方面的事情這不是河岸專業這不是河岸專業但是你們可以委託專業的公司去做但是河岸要包括什麼包括民眾的安全認知是不是這樣子這個你們委託一個專業公司去做調查就至少可以給台電參考吧\n\n17\n00:06:13,877 --> 00:06:38,746\n我覺得經濟部比較適合做這方面經濟部比較適合所以你們的答案就是經濟部那如果我請經濟部做你們也支持經濟部可以做決定是經濟部做決定如果經濟部做你們支持就對了這個有沒有有助於民眾的核安認知您覺得有沒有幫助報告委員有沒有幫助其實經濟部的這個溝通計畫裡面就有這樣的名字你覺得這樣的調查有沒有有助於民眾的安全認知\n\n18\n00:06:42,188 --> 00:07:07,776\n我現在不是問經濟部我現在問核安會核安會如果經濟部做這樣的調查你認為有沒有有助於民眾的安全認知要不要核安會要不要關心民眾對核安的關心的安全意識他可以更讓民眾更理解核廢料的本質主委同意了嗎這樣的一個調查是有助於民眾的安全認知的核安會支持嗎對雖然不是你們做好謝謝\n\n19\n00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:11,726\n好謝謝鍾嘉賓委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6954\t26950\t主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關長官員會長公務夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們核能安全委員會陳主委跟剛剛是副主委跟主秘嗎都請上來好了好 核安會 陳主委還有副主委跟主秘好 主秘剛剛那一位是組長嗎\n28390\t44594\t回答核廢料問題的是一併上來 好 謝謝好 主委來 這個我想我請組長來代為說明有需要你們三位幫他做補充好嗎好來 請問組長核廢料怎麼處置高階核廢 低階核廢核廢料的處置 低階的部分是不是經過這樣子那目前我們有低階儲存廠嘛\n56283\t81175\t有儲存廠有沒有最終處置廠還沒有 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