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00:00:53,208\n前兩天發生這個三峽的一個重大車禍我想這個也造成一個台灣的一個震驚所以當然部長有在記者會有特別強調這個因為我們現在事故的這個原因還在了解當中那部長昨天也特別強調說這高齡者並不是造成這個傷亡人數最高的一個群體\n\n3\n00:00:54,128 --> 00:01:13,068\n那不過這邊我還是要調了一個數據要提醒一下部長不管是這個機車或汽車高齡者的傷亡人數還有自重的人數都是逐年的攀升那尤其是高齡汽車自重的人數兩年之內就增加了一千多個人那不管是機車或者是汽車的駕駛\n\n4\n00:01:14,509 --> 00:01:32,248\n發生事故的人數這兩年都增加了將近9000多人我想這個數據非常的恐怖啦齁那針對這樣一個部分那當然我知道部長昨天有做了一個緊急的應變把這個換照的年齡從75歲降到70歲部長那這部分未來有下修的可能性嗎\n\n5\n00:01:32,868 --> 00:01:43,964\n報告委員因為高齡者的數字越來越多不是說傷亡的數字我說高齡者的人數越來越多我們是老齡化的社會我們已經進入超高齡社會\n\n6\n00:01:48,070 --> 00:02:06,899\n現在開始算起我們已經有182萬從70歲以上的駕駛人182萬人10年之後會增加到272萬人接近280萬人所以這個人口其實一直在增加對交通部來說最重要的課題是如何協助高齡者能夠安全的駕駛\n\n7\n00:02:07,939 --> 00:02:21,789\n這是我們整體的改善的措施的目的這是我們的思考那這些年其實數字上我們有看到人數一直在增加那其實是因為母數在增加所以受傷的人數跟傷亡人數當然會增加一些\n\n8\n00:02:22,890 --> 00:02:37,429\n那不過整體的比例來說他沒有特別的高也沒有特別突出但這一塊確實是台灣社會未來必須要面臨的一個很重要的課題那這個年齡我們會參考日本我們把他從75歲下修到70歲就來進行換照的動作\n\n9\n00:02:40,257 --> 00:03:01,402\n不過部長我個人是這樣認為啦當然有些長者我們也不希望他去開車或騎車因為有還是有一些風險存在的問題但是就我們現在目前整個交通的狀況你像六都他的大眾運輸很方便他出門有捷運有公車可以坐有火車可以坐那部長常常到屏東我們的偏鄉離島\n\n10\n00:03:03,102 --> 00:03:28,198\n大眾運輸的目前的建制沒那麼完整現在連客輛車都判以救你叫他們怎麼判只好自己開車或騎車所以我們當時我一直強調說怎麼樣去強化我們的這個大眾運輸的工具甚至我們都有請公務局研議這客輛車能不能開放多一點這樣有車廠救啦真的要不然你沒有開放這樣的政策長者只好自己冒險開車或騎車啦這是一個大問題啦\n\n11\n00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:52,749\n這部分有沒有檢討的空間報告委員這個部分確實分兩個部分一個部分是還在駕車有駕車需求或騎車需求的我們怎麼協助他讓他有更多的安全認知讓他有更多的危險認知然後讓他有更多的安全教育的模式進來讓他先協助他協助他怎麼樣安全駕駛這是一塊我們要做的\n\n12\n00:03:53,189 --> 00:04:19,217\n那另外一塊就是偏鄉的這個交通的部分公共運輸要怎麼樣加強我們當然現在都市裡面公共運輸比較完善但是鄉下確實也是遇到這樣的問題我們當然要來改善所以幸福巴士跟幸福小房的建置對我們來講就相當的重要讓我們的長者能夠很方便的取得公共運輸的時候他自己開車跟騎車需求才可以降低這個部分兩個部分都要同時來檢討跟進行才有效\n\n13\n00:04:20,997 --> 00:04:38,884\n對部長我知道你們都有心要做但是我們也希望把KPI訂出來啦是是是尤其是我們這個屏東這個資源那麼有限的狀況之下到底多久能夠把這個路線包含這個期程規劃出來我想也希望給我們一個一個月之內給我們一個完整的一個報告好不好好好\n\n14\n00:04:39,424 --> 00:05:05,950\n是針對這個公共運輸的對是怎麼樣去禁止這樣的一個大眾運輸還有幸福巴士的涵蓋率已經到了94%啦對但是路線的部分還是不足啦可以再加強這個可以再加強對因為小黃公車使用率很高但是畢竟不是大街小巷大家坐在一起我們現在有比較用預約式的方式啦讓大家比較靈活一點來解決這個班次不足或者是路線不足的問題\n\n15\n00:05:07,293 --> 00:05:26,690\n部長那另外我想我們交通部投入了將近48億改善校園周邊的一個交通但是我們進捐基金會針對這個學校的抽樣也發現這個不及格的分數還是都不及格所以這個表示我們這個整個校園的這個交通環境有改善的空間那當然目前\n\n16\n00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:44,068\n我們大概這個三峽事故發生之後由警方來協助做一個學童的一個教管但這個畢竟不是長久之計因為警察還是有他的勤務在要職責在身上那所以未來怎麼樣針對校園安全部分交通部有沒有什麼樣的策略\n\n17\n00:05:44,768 --> 00:06:12,844\n報告委員這個部分其實內政部國土署是比較主要負責的單位那我所知道他們現在也已經有在研議相關的一些設置的條例做通學步道通學步道的部分有國土署他們有在努力在做這方面的規劃那也跟地方政府正在溝通包含他們未來的這個通學步道的這個補助的方案裡面一定會把一些項目硬體建設的項目列為重要的KPI這個部分他們正在做\n\n18\n00:06:13,484 --> 00:06:38,685\n好謝謝部長那在這邊還是要跟部長拜託一下我們今年恆春建廠150週年如火如荼尤其我們今天已經進入到五月了還有剩下下半年的時間我想部長在交通委員會考察也看到了我們縣政府的努力那我們上個禮拜我們在小琉球縣政府也辦了一個留住你的音樂會登島有一萬兩千多人\n\n19\n00:06:39,606 --> 00:06:51,635\n所以我想我們希望未來捧館處也好觀光署也好跟縣政府我們緊密合作把這個建成150兆元的活動可以辦好好我會請觀光署盡量協助好謝謝部長請回我最後一個問題請教一下蘇衛部長謝謝\n\n20\n00:07:02,626 --> 00:07:21,018\n我們知道我們都有在補助這個我們的這個年輕朋友他們在研發一個遊戲不過我們有發現我們有補助的一個叫做百劍討邀傳奇壇這個案子他拿到了將近300萬的補助但是在台灣的售價卻遠遠高過於這個日本跟韓國最後讓台灣的這個\n\n21\n00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:41,842\n遊戲組不能接受為什麼有這樣一個狀況我們補助是他的創招創新部分後面行銷跟那個我們其實在這個階段並沒有進去輔導那這個不我請那個素產署以後怎麼去改善那我再問最後一個重要的問題\n\n22\n00:07:43,203 --> 00:07:59,166\n那更遺憾的就是這個遊戲的爭議這遊戲公司前幾天又突然發出一篇聲明他被認為把台灣跟香港形容成國家要向中國大陸道歉很壞啦這個事情更不能發生這個說明一下\n\n23\n00:08:01,186 --> 00:08:17,642\n跟委員報告就是這個補助的話當然是補助研發至於說他的定價他可能是當地的經濟狀況或者是說他跟當地的代理商討論這個我們的了解是這樣他的意識形態問題怎麼解決\n\n24\n00:08:20,002 --> 00:08:46,190\n如果說是一些他後來行銷的一些語言上面的狀況我們會再跟我們的遊戲業者這邊來說明來提醒他不要有相關的行為我想這是一個很嚴肅的一個課題我想蘇惠博也應該拿出一個態度我想這個關於行銷部分我們以後會加強關係因為這個東西確實在我們目前補助並沒有對他後面的行銷並沒有去有任何的措施這個看怎麼樣再開始\n\n25\n00:08:46,701 --> 00:09:00,077\n好部長那最後今天解凍案如果通過之後對我們整體的業務會不會能夠繼續推動當然幫助很大啦因為我們被刪的蠻多的我們就盡量努力把它解凍我們會有很多工作需要委員們的支持好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3374\t31900\t謝主席有請我們陳部長請陳部長委員好部長好部長我上個禮拜才在委員會針對我們這個人本交通的一個政策是我想提出一個質詢那尤其我們現在這個人性環境一直在做改善對那當然我們也期待就是這樣的一個改善是對這個整個事故的減少是有正面的注意是是那不過很遺憾這個\n32900\t53208\t前兩天發生這個三峽的一個重大車禍我想這個也造成一個台灣的一個震驚所以當然部長有在記者會有特別強調這個因為我們現在事故的這個原因還在了解當中那部長昨天也特別強調說這高齡者並不是造成這個傷亡人數最高的一個群體\n54128\t73068\t那不過這邊我還是要調了一個數據要提醒一下部長不管是這個機車或汽車高齡者的傷亡人數還有自重的人數都是逐年的攀升那尤其是高齡汽車自重的人數兩年之內就增加了一千多個人那不管是機車或者是汽車的駕駛\n74509\t92248\t發生事故的人數這兩年都增加了將近9000多人我想這個數據非常的恐怖啦齁那針對這樣一個部分那當然我知道部長昨天有做了一個緊急的應變把這個換照的年齡從75歲降到70歲部長那這部分未來有下修的可能性嗎\n92868\t103964\t報告委員因為高齡者的數字越來越多不是說傷亡的數字我說高齡者的人數越來越多我們是老齡化的社會我們已經進入超高齡社會\n108070\t126899\t現在開始算起我們已經有182萬從70歲以上的駕駛人182萬人10年之後會增加到272萬人接近280萬人所以這個人口其實一直在增加對交通部來說最重要的課題是如何協助高齡者能夠安全的駕駛\n127939\t141789\t這是我們整體的改善的措施的目的這是我們的思考那這些年其實數字上我們有看到人數一直在增加那其實是因為母數在增加所以受傷的人數跟傷亡人數當然會增加一些\n142890\t157429\t那不過整體的比例來說他沒有特別的高也沒有特別突出但這一塊確實是台灣社會未來必須要面臨的一個很重要的課題那這個年齡我們會參考日本我們把他從75歲下修到70歲就來進行換照的動作\n160257\t181402\t不過部長我個人是這樣認為啦當然有些長者我們也不希望他去開車或騎車因為有還是有一些風險存在的問題但是就我們現在目前整個交通的狀況你像六都他的大眾運輸很方便他出門有捷運有公車可以坐有火車可以坐那部長常常到屏東我們的偏鄉離島\n183102\t208198\t大眾運輸的目前的建制沒那麼完整現在連客輛車都判以救你叫他們怎麼判只好自己開車或騎車所以我們當時我一直強調說怎麼樣去強化我們的這個大眾運輸的工具甚至我們都有請公務局研議這客輛車能不能開放多一點這樣有車廠救啦真的要不然你沒有開放這樣的政策長者只好自己冒險開車或騎車啦這是一個大問題啦\n210840\t232749\t這部分有沒有檢討的空間報告委員這個部分確實分兩個部分一個部分是還在駕車有駕車需求或騎車需求的我們怎麼協助他讓他有更多的安全認知讓他有更多的危險認知然後讓他有更多的安全教育的模式進來讓他先協助他協助他怎麼樣安全駕駛這是一塊我們要做的\n233189\t259217\t那另外一塊就是偏鄉的這個交通的部分公共運輸要怎麼樣加強我們當然現在都市裡面公共運輸比較完善但是鄉下確實也是遇到這樣的問題我們當然要來改善所以幸福巴士跟幸福小房的建置對我們來講就相當的重要讓我們的長者能夠很方便的取得公共運輸的時候他自己開車跟騎車需求才可以降低這個部分兩個部分都要同時來檢討跟進行才有效\n260997\t278884\t對 部長我知道你們都有心要做但是我們也希望把KPI訂出來啦是是是尤其是我們這個屏東這個資源那麼有限的狀況之下到底多久能夠把這個路線包含這個期程規劃出來我想也希望給我們一個一個月之內給我們一個完整的一個報告好不好好 好\n279424\t305950\t是針對這個公共運輸的對是怎麼樣去禁止這樣的一個大眾運輸還有幸福巴士的涵蓋率已經到了94%啦對但是路線的部分還是不足啦可以再加強這個可以再加強對因為小黃公車使用率很高但是畢竟不是大街小巷大家坐在一起我們現在有比較用預約式的方式啦讓大家比較靈活一點來解決這個班次不足或者是路線不足的問題\n307293\t326690\t部長那另外我想我們交通部投入了將近48億改善校園周邊的一個交通但是我們進捐基金會針對這個學校的抽樣也發現這個不及格的分數還是都不及格所以這個表示我們這個整個校園的這個交通環境有改善的空間那當然目前\n327270\t344068\t我們大概這個三峽事故發生之後由警方來協助做一個學童的一個教管但這個畢竟不是長久之計因為警察還是有他的勤務在要職責在身上那所以未來怎麼樣針對校園安全部分交通部有沒有什麼樣的策略\n344768\t372844\t報告委員這個部分其實內政部國土署是比較主要負責的單位那我所知道他們現在也已經有在研議相關的一些設置的條例做通學步道通學步道的部分有國土署他們有在努力在做這方面的規劃那也跟地方政府正在溝通包含他們未來的這個通學步道的這個補助的方案裡面一定會把一些項目硬體建設的項目列為重要的KPI這個部分他們正在做\n373484\t398685\t好 謝謝部長那在這邊還是要跟部長拜託一下我們今年恆春建廠150週年如火如荼尤其我們今天已經進入到五月了還有剩下下半年的時間我想部長在交通委員會考察也看到了我們縣政府的努力那我們上個禮拜我們在小琉球縣政府也辦了一個留住你的音樂會登島有一萬兩千多人\n399606\t411635\t所以我想我們希望未來 捧館處也好 觀光署也好跟縣政府我們緊密合作把這個建成150兆元的活動可以辦好好 我會請觀光署盡量協助好 謝謝 部長請回我最後一個問題請教一下蘇衛部長 謝謝\n422626\t441018\t我們知道我們都有在補助這個我們的這個年輕朋友他們在研發一個遊戲不過我們有發現我們有補助的一個叫做百劍討邀傳奇壇這個案子他拿到了將近300萬的補助但是在台灣的售價卻遠遠高過於這個日本跟韓國最後讓台灣的這個\n444440\t461842\t遊戲組不能接受為什麼有這樣一個狀況我們補助是他的創招創新部分後面行銷跟那個我們其實在這個階段並沒有進去輔導那這個不我請那個素產署以後怎麼去改善那我再問最後一個重要的問題\n463203\t479166\t那更遺憾的就是這個遊戲的爭議這遊戲公司前幾天又突然發出一篇聲明他被認為把台灣跟香港形容成國家要向中國大陸道歉很壞啦這個事情更不能發生這個說明一下\n481186\t497642\t跟委員報告就是這個補助的話當然是補助研發至於說他的定價他可能是當地的經濟狀況或者是說他跟當地的代理商討論這個我們的了解是這樣他的意識形態問題怎麼解決\n500002\t526190\t如果說是一些他後來行銷的一些語言上面的狀況我們會再跟我們的遊戲業者這邊來說明來提醒他不要有相關的行為我想這是一個很嚴肅的一個課題我想蘇惠博也應該拿出一個態度我想這個關於行銷部分我們以後會加強關係因為這個東西確實在我們目前補助並沒有對他後面的行銷並沒有去有任何的措施這個看怎麼樣再開始\n526701\t540077\t好 部長那最後今天解凍案如果通過之後對我們整體的業務會不會能夠繼續推動當然幫助很大啦因為我們被刪的蠻多的我們就盡量努力把它解凍我們會有很多工作需要委員們的支持好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席有請我們陳部長請陳部長委員好部長好部長我上個禮拜才在委員會針對我們這個人本交通的一個政策是我想提出一個質詢那尤其我們現在這個人性環境一直在做改善對那當然我們也期待就是這樣的一個改善是對這個整個事故的減少是有正面的注意是是那不過很遺憾這個\n前兩天發生這個三峽的一個重大車禍我想這個也造成一個台灣的一個震驚所以當然部長有在記者會有特別強調這個因為我們現在事故的這個原因還在了解當中那部長昨天也特別強調說這高齡者並不是造成這個傷亡人數最高的一個群體\n那不過這邊我還是要調了一個數據要提醒一下部長不管是這個機車或汽車高齡者的傷亡人數還有自重的人數都是逐年的攀升那尤其是高齡汽車自重的人數兩年之內就增加了一千多個人那不管是機車或者是汽車的駕駛\n發生事故的人數這兩年都增加了將近9000多人我想這個數據非常的恐怖啦齁那針對這樣一個部分那當然我知道部長昨天有做了一個緊急的應變把這個換照的年齡從75歲降到70歲部長那這部分未來有下修的可能性嗎\n報告委員因為高齡者的數字越來越多不是說傷亡的數字我說高齡者的人數越來越多我們是老齡化的社會我們已經進入超高齡社會\n現在開始算起我們已經有182萬從70歲以上的駕駛人182萬人10年之後會增加到272萬人接近280萬人所以這個人口其實一直在增加對交通部來說最重要的課題是如何協助高齡者能夠安全的駕駛\n這是我們整體的改善的措施的目的這是我們的思考那這些年其實數字上我們有看到人數一直在增加那其實是因為母數在增加所以受傷的人數跟傷亡人數當然會增加一些\n那不過整體的比例來說他沒有特別的高也沒有特別突出但這一塊確實是台灣社會未來必須要面臨的一個很重要的課題那這個年齡我們會參考日本我們把他從75歲下修到70歲就來進行換照的動作\n不過部長我個人是這樣認為啦當然有些長者我們也不希望他去開車或騎車因為有還是有一些風險存在的問題但是就我們現在目前整個交通的狀況你像六都他的大眾運輸很方便他出門有捷運有公車可以坐有火車可以坐那部長常常到屏東我們的偏鄉離島\n大眾運輸的目前的建制沒那麼完整現在連客輛車都判以救你叫他們怎麼判只好自己開車或騎車所以我們當時我一直強調說怎麼樣去強化我們的這個大眾運輸的工具甚至我們都有請公務局研議這客輛車能不能開放多一點這樣有車廠救啦真的要不然你沒有開放這樣的政策長者只好自己冒險開車或騎車啦這是一個大問題啦\n這部分有沒有檢討的空間報告委員這個部分確實分兩個部分一個部分是還在駕車有駕車需求或騎車需求的我們怎麼協助他讓他有更多的安全認知讓他有更多的危險認知然後讓他有更多的安全教育的模式進來讓他先協助他協助他怎麼樣安全駕駛這是一塊我們要做的\n那另外一塊就是偏鄉的這個交通的部分公共運輸要怎麼樣加強我們當然現在都市裡面公共運輸比較完善但是鄉下確實也是遇到這樣的問題我們當然要來改善所以幸福巴士跟幸福小房的建置對我們來講就相當的重要讓我們的長者能夠很方便的取得公共運輸的時候他自己開車跟騎車需求才可以降低這個部分兩個部分都要同時來檢討跟進行才有效\n對 部長我知道你們都有心要做但是我們也希望把KPI訂出來啦是是是尤其是我們這個屏東這個資源那麼有限的狀況之下到底多久能夠把這個路線包含這個期程規劃出來我想也希望給我們一個一個月之內給我們一個完整的一個報告好不好好 好\n是針對這個公共運輸的對是怎麼樣去禁止這樣的一個大眾運輸還有幸福巴士的涵蓋率已經到了94%啦對但是路線的部分還是不足啦可以再加強這個可以再加強對因為小黃公車使用率很高但是畢竟不是大街小巷大家坐在一起我們現在有比較用預約式的方式啦讓大家比較靈活一點來解決這個班次不足或者是路線不足的問題\n部長那另外我想我們交通部投入了將近48億改善校園周邊的一個交通但是我們進捐基金會針對這個學校的抽樣也發現這個不及格的分數還是都不及格所以這個表示我們這個整個校園的這個交通環境有改善的空間那當然目前\n我們大概這個三峽事故發生之後由警方來協助做一個學童的一個教管但這個畢竟不是長久之計因為警察還是有他的勤務在要職責在身上那所以未來怎麼樣針對校園安全部分交通部有沒有什麼樣的策略\n報告委員這個部分其實內政部國土署是比較主要負責的單位那我所知道他們現在也已經有在研議相關的一些設置的條例做通學步道通學步道的部分有國土署他們有在努力在做這方面的規劃那也跟地方政府正在溝通包含他們未來的這個通學步道的這個補助的方案裡面一定會把一些項目硬體建設的項目列為重要的KPI這個部分他們正在做\n好 謝謝部長那在這邊還是要跟部長拜託一下我們今年恆春建廠150週年如火如荼尤其我們今天已經進入到五月了還有剩下下半年的時間我想部長在交通委員會考察也看到了我們縣政府的努力那我們上個禮拜我們在小琉球縣政府也辦了一個留住你的音樂會登島有一萬兩千多人\n所以我想我們希望未來 捧館處也好 觀光署也好跟縣政府我們緊密合作把這個建成150兆元的活動可以辦好好 我會請觀光署盡量協助好 謝謝 部長請回我最後一個問題請教一下蘇衛部長 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