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00:00:40,577\n我要先講一下其實藍白兩黨這樣的大動大山真的是大大影響我們部會的運作那本席要強調預算本來就應該理性監督那不是毫無理由的就讓部會那麼的難堪那我們看看中研院好了我們的業務費被砍了30%\n\n3\n00:00:44,760 --> 00:01:12,832\n可是中研院的性質跟一般的行政機關不同所以我們的業務費不只是行政事務費而已我們還包含了更多的研究經費那另外研究人員的國內外參與費還有出國教育訓練費等等也被刪了15%還不得留用所以造成很多研究人員參加學術會議要移動到南院辦活動等等都受到很大的限制那河安會負責全國的河安\n\n4\n00:01:13,972 --> 00:01:35,722\n核能安全輻射安全放射性廢棄物安全管制等業務而且你們還沒有地方單位可以支援你所以相關的經查檢查都需要核安會的業務費來支援那你業務費被動了30%那各項的管制業務就存在了很多的不確定性\n\n5\n00:01:36,862 --> 00:01:46,851\n還有我們輻射偵測中心的預算也很重要預算被凍結結果就會影響全台環境輻射的即時監測環境輻射累積的劑量監測及其對應資源實驗室的正常運作影響和河岸的管制\n\n6\n00:01:57,981 --> 00:02:12,586\n那我是認為說在藍白外行干預專業那聯手亂下我國核能政策的指導起的現在核能安全的管制更因嚴加的重視所以\n\n7\n00:02:13,526 --> 00:02:26,292\n讓核物料的管制跟核電廠處理的安全管制這個預算必須要儘早解凍那才能有效的確保安全那另外本席之前在核安會業務報告備詢的時候有提到一個臨時提案\n\n8\n00:02:30,094 --> 00:02:58,367\n就是要求核安會對於核電拆除計畫書應該嚴加的審查同時要未雨綢繆我們要趕緊的來培訓專業的廚藝人員那並對核三停機廚藝工作儘早研議來因應所以請教主委就是說目前核電廚藝的準備工作是否有如期在進行那有遇到什麼樣的問題上代客服嗎\n\n9\n00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:27,234\n主委我們在按照現有的條件下我們盡量把它做好是當然業務費算是有影響的對我們也盡量按照既有的條件把它做好讓它安全無虞好所以現在就是正在進行初一的工作對\n\n10\n00:03:30,339 --> 00:03:42,206\n好那另外齁昨天民眾黨重啟這個河山公投的這個備蘭白衣這備蘭白衣人數的優勢來粗暴通過那本席是認為預期啊我們要來談核電\n\n11\n00:03:49,029 --> 00:04:13,965\n不如我們好好地思考說台灣如何強化電網的韌性怎麼提高再生能源的配比去年預算審查的時候本席就認為像國園院等單位其實更應該積極地發展綠能的科技研究跟新能源的科技研究所以我想請教國園院的是有關綠能發配電\n\n12\n00:04:17,927 --> 00:04:43,558\n智慧管理與效能提升技術發展計畫本期看到你們這個報告那有寫說成功開發本土化配電網路管理平台有效管理雲林線配電潰線與再生能源並往發電並推廣到全台13個縣市的配電的潰線調度中心使用所以想要請教\n\n13\n00:04:45,097 --> 00:04:50,843\n高院長是說近年來我們是否再擴大這項計畫的應用範圍普及到全台灣是的我們這個已經從一個雲林線開始取代原來外商的配電系統\n\n14\n00:05:04,421 --> 00:05:28,821\n13個縣市已經改用我們的系統是國內自主我們本院研發的同時這個系統也獲得2021年全球百大的一個R&D發明獎所以我們會持續來做這個配電網的研究還有電網韌性的一個分析才持續在這個綠能增加的狀況下能夠維持這個供電的穩定度協助台電公司來做這些\n\n15\n00:05:30,506 --> 00:05:56,273\n好那再請教中研院就是說關於國家淨零排放那永續發展的這個社會目標我們可不可以擴大來鼓勵我們研究人員投入相關的研究案來扶植國內的產業技術升級周副院長我們請那個管理院中心陳玉高主任好好主任\n\n16\n00:05:58,281 --> 00:06:08,832\n我們在研發的過程中間確實對每一項我國需要的技術都做了未來的佈局所以陸陸續續都會開始\n\n17\n00:06:13,337 --> 00:06:38,496\n上次質詢的時候有向我們中研院請教說數位化研究資料開放的問題那主要是因為中研院各所目前有建置各自的平台那可是很難跨資料庫去檢索所以我今天還想再追問就是說我們上一次數位文化中心有提到說現在的規劃建置這個OpenAcademy\n\n18\n00:06:41,418 --> 00:07:07,914\n希望透過一戰式的方式讓研究者可以對應各自的研究需求運用更多元的資料那本席是肯定這樣的路線可是我們同心也擔心說如果欠缺精緻化的分類處理那只是把研究資料通通不分青紅皂白塞到這裡來那可能還是會難以符合這個研究的需求所以本席想要請教的是說那這個平台規劃要怎麼樣整合\n\n19\n00:07:10,455 --> 00:07:30,832\n分類各大主題類別的資料庫那之前本席詢問說這種跨資料庫檢索功能的時候中醫院是回復說各研究所各中心的資料庫的收入內容應該相當多元而且取得內容的授權跟開放條件的名單開放條件各異所以要統合資料庫的整合檢索執行上好像會有困難\n\n20\n00:07:38,058 --> 00:07:56,532\n可是我如果現在規劃這個OpenAcademy那如何來協調各機構的這種合作以及這個資料的整合那橫向的單位的合作就會是順利的嗎哪部分又會遇到困難我們請數位文化中心主任來回答\n\n21\n00:07:58,458 --> 00:08:23,990\n謝謝委員隨詢上次我們聽委員的意見之後我們馬上雙稳旗下一方面希望各個單位在進行他們的資料庫的檢索的時候按照上委員的標準希望能夠重新改善包括您提及的幾個比較重要的標標標計時所也好台視所的一個規範我們將進行下來希望各所在既定的一個授權範圍合理之下我們能夠開放能夠讓更多的研究者或大眾能夠參考\n\n22\n00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:47,567\n您提到OpenAcademy的设计师和我们的OpenMuseum我们基本上是针对于个人研究者他们的需求他们自己在里面可以建立他们发展他们议题的设想然后经过议题设想收集这些材料这些材料他们可能还要到各个平台或各个数位的资料库里面去攫取然后再去收集然后在他们自己本身的资料库里面建立起来\n\n23\n00:08:48,127 --> 00:09:07,604\n資料化從議題的發想資料的彙整到他們的論文的寫作寫作之後透過我們的OpenAcademy可以進一步跟學界溝通然後用Outsourcing的方式使它更完美的呈現這是我們理想當然是一個篡權循環發展之後他們可以自己重新再規劃或開展他的議題\n\n24\n00:09:08,425 --> 00:09:22,590\n据您谈的这个一个平台我们会另外一部分来去进行希望各个单位各处所在合理范围就在授权方面问题的情形之下能够进行能够会认起来这是我们目前朝中努力的方向好OK\n\n25\n00:09:23,690 --> 00:09:44,751\n那中研院有關於中研院的解凍報告裡頭有提到說這個OpenAcademy預計年底會完成雛形那現在一年即將也就是過了一半所以目前當然想要詢問一下進度還有這個平台的主要\n\n26\n00:09:45,572 --> 00:10:13,032\n是提供研究者使用嗎還是這個所謂的研究者指的是哪些人是有身份限制嗎還是一般的學生也算在內還是人人都可以是研究者好報告委員我是那個中研院資訊所所長廖鴻源是那過去2006做了7年的那個數位典藏國家研究計畫研發分享的總主持人那這個問題其實先生剛剛您問的問題就是年底要不要開放這件事情是一個多媒體的問題\n\n27\n00:10:14,193 --> 00:10:36,708\nExactly就跟現在的大型語言模型相關因為多媒體它涵蓋的範圍是語言、文字還有影像、還有視訊、還有聲音但當我們碰到大型語言模型的時候現在要讓這些研究者能夠大家都能夠用的時候或者是學生能用的時候因為每一種媒體它被表達出來的程度是不一樣的\n\n28\n00:10:38,309 --> 00:11:00,627\n語言它是唯一的因為它寫白紙黑字但是聲音的時候你在處理它的時候因為它有時序上的順序所以也比較相對容易但是影像就不一樣了那因為我們現在在處理大型語言模型的時候我們希望這些東西都能夠合起來讓這個資料庫能夠被擴充能夠大量的多元然後能夠更有用更有用處\n\n29\n00:11:01,388 --> 00:11:17,886\n所以在這個部分還是大家都在研究的階段但是我們眾院有團隊非常厲害的團隊在做這個事情在資訊所還有資創中心所以我們可以把這個東西在年底我們一直都有結果出來所以變成還在研究中\n\n30\n00:11:18,487 --> 00:11:33,028\n不只我們有一直研究然後也一直有成果出來只是說剛剛我講的多媒體它被表達的程度是不一樣的所以我們的進展在事業上算是也是不錯的非常好的這個跟委員報告一下好\n\n31\n00:11:34,909 --> 00:11:53,854\n那我想另外我們想知道說我們做資料的開放跟共享我們其實還是常常會遇到所謂的著作權的問題那如果根據著作權法30條著作財產權的存續的時間是著作人的生存期間以及他死亡後的50年也就是說\n\n32\n00:11:54,854 --> 00:12:03,778\n超過這個年限的文物或文獻就屬於公共財任何人都可以自由運用所以智慧財產局也有回覆過本席他說如果單純將古物進行掃描轉檔通常不具有個人創意的投入這個掃描圖檔原則上並非受到著作權法所保護的著作所以想要提醒中研院的是說無論現在或將來\n\n33\n00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:32,751\n這些年代久遠已經沒有著作權問題的文獻或古物是否都能掃描上網百分百公開讓國人以及所有有興趣的人可以研究來輕鬆運用我想這個也是給一個建議應該沒問題吧謝謝委員我們會再研議\n\n34\n00:12:39,272 --> 00:13:00,619\n在合法的範圍內會好那不好意思最後20秒我還想提一下說為在台南的這個南部院區去年有舉辦南部開放日那吸引很多爸爸媽媽帶著小孩一起來大家回饋都很好那本期去年就有跟院長提過希望今年規模更大一點那主題更多元\n\n35\n00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:25,338\n那可是我知道我們國內的旅費有被藍白刪了15%而且又不得留用所以可能會影響到各所各中心想要到南部舉辦這些活動的意願跟規模所以我還是想替南部的鄉親請命希望中研院能繼續舉辦南院開放日並且至少維持去年這樣的一個規模不曉得有沒有機會\n\n36\n00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:45,343\n對我們南部縣區今年開放一定會再辦規模還是會維持去年量還是說還有機會更精彩如果有機會再擴大我們現在在探討各種可能性將來有缺定案的話再跟委員報告這件事情我們一定會做謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t770\t首先請教一下核安會\n23581\t40577\t我要先講一下其實藍白兩黨這樣的大動大山真的是大大影響我們部會的運作那本席要強調預算本來就應該理性監督那不是毫無理由的就讓部會那麼的難堪那我們看看中研院好了我們的業務費被砍了30%\n44760\t72832\t可是中研院的性質跟一般的行政機關不同所以我們的業務費不只是行政事務費而已我們還包含了更多的研究經費那另外研究人員的國內外參與費還有出國教育訓練費等等也被刪了15%還不得留用所以造成很多研究人員參加學術會議要移動到南院辦活動等等都受到很大的限制那河安會負責全國的河安\n73972\t95722\t核能安全 輻射安全 放射性廢棄物安全管制等業務而且你們還沒有地方單位可以支援你所以相關的經查 檢查都需要核安會的業務費來支援那你業務費被動了30%那各項的管制業務就存在了很多的不確定性\n96862\t106851\t還有我們輻射偵測中心的預算也很重要預算被凍結結果就會影響全台環境輻射的即時監測環境輻射累積的劑量監測及其對應資源實驗室的正常運作影響和河岸的管制\n117981\t132586\t那我是認為說在藍白外行干預專業那聯手亂下我國核能政策的指導起的現在核能安全的管制更因嚴加的重視所以\n133526\t146292\t讓核物料的管制跟核電廠處理的安全管制這個預算必須要儘早解凍那才能有效的確保安全那另外本席之前在核安會業務報告備詢的時候有提到一個臨時提案\n150094\t178367\t就是要求核安會對於核電拆除計畫書應該嚴加的審查同時要未雨綢繆我們要趕緊的來培訓專業的廚藝人員那並對核三停機廚藝工作儘早研議來因應所以請教主委就是說目前核電廚藝的準備工作是否有如期在進行那有遇到什麼樣的問題上代客服嗎\n179520\t207234\t主委我們在按照現有的條件下我們盡量把它做好是當然業務費算是有影響的對我們也盡量按照既有的條件把它做好讓它安全無虞好所以現在就是正在進行初一的工作對\n210339\t222206\t好 那另外齁 昨天民眾黨重啟這個河山公投的這個備蘭白衣這備蘭白衣人數的優勢來粗暴通過那本席是認為預期啊 我們要來談核電\n229029\t253965\t不如我們好好地思考說台灣如何強化電網的韌性怎麼提高再生能源的配比去年預算審查的時候本席就認為像國園院等單位其實更應該積極地發展綠能的科技研究跟新能源的科技研究所以我想請教國園院的是有關綠能發配電\n257927\t283558\t智慧管理與效能提升技術發展計畫本期看到你們這個報告那有寫說成功開發本土化配電網路管理平台有效管理雲林線配電潰線與再生能源並往發電並推廣到全台13個縣市的配電的潰線調度中心使用所以想要請教\n285097\t290843\t高院長是說近年來我們是否再擴大這項計畫的應用範圍普及到全台灣是的 我們這個已經從一個雲林線開始取代原來外商的配電系統\n304421\t328821\t13個縣市已經改用我們的系統是國內自主我們本院研發的同時這個系統也獲得2021年全球百大的一個R&D發明獎所以我們會持續來做這個配電網的研究還有電網韌性的一個分析才持續在這個綠能增加的狀況下能夠維持這個供電的穩定度協助台電公司來做這些\n330506\t356273\t好 那再請教中研院就是說關於國家淨零排放那永續發展的這個社會目標我們可不可以擴大來鼓勵我們研究人員投入相關的研究案來扶植國內的產業技術升級周副院長我們請那個管理院中心陳玉高主任好 好 主任\n358281\t368832\t我們在研發的過程中間確實對每一項我國需要的技術都做了未來的佈局所以陸陸續續都會開始\n373337\t398496\t上次質詢的時候有向我們中研院請教說數位化研究資料開放的問題那主要是因為中研院各所目前有建置各自的平台那可是很難跨資料庫去檢索所以我今天還想再追問就是說我們上一次數位文化中心有提到說現在的規劃建置這個Open Academy\n401418\t427914\t希望透過一戰式的方式讓研究者可以對應各自的研究需求運用更多元的資料那本席是肯定這樣的路線可是我們同心也擔心說如果欠缺精緻化的分類處理那只是把研究資料通通不分青紅皂白塞到這裡來那可能還是會難以符合這個研究的需求所以本席想要請教的是說那這個平台規劃要怎麼樣整合\n430455\t450832\t分類各大主題類別的資料庫那之前本席詢問說這種跨資料庫檢索功能的時候中醫院是回復說各研究所各中心的資料庫的收入內容應該相當多元而且取得內容的授權跟開放條件的名單開放條件各異所以要統合資料庫的整合檢索執行上好像會有困難\n458058\t476532\t可是我如果現在規劃這個Open Academy那如何來協調各機構的這種合作以及這個資料的整合那橫向的單位的合作就會是順利的嗎哪部分又會遇到困難我們請數位文化中心主任來回答\n478458\t503990\t謝謝委員隨詢上次我們聽委員的意見之後我們馬上雙稳旗下一方面希望各個單位在進行他們的資料庫的檢索的時候按照上委員的標準希望能夠重新改善包括您提及的幾個比較重要的標標標計時所也好台視所的一個規範我們將進行下來希望各所在既定的一個授權範圍合理之下我們能夠開放能夠讓更多的研究者或大眾能夠參考\n504930\t527567\t您提到Open Academy的设计师和我们的Open Museum我们基本上是针对于个人研究者他们的需求他们自己在里面可以建立他们发展他们议题的设想然后经过议题设想收集这些材料这些材料他们可能还要到各个平台或各个数位的资料库里面去攫取然后再去收集然后在他们自己本身的资料库里面建立起来\n528127\t547604\t資料化 從議題的發想 資料的彙整 到他們的論文的寫作寫作之後 透過我們的Open Academy可以進一步跟學界溝通然後用Outsourcing的方式 使它更完美的呈現這是我們理想 當然是一個篡權循環發展之後 他們可以自己重新再規劃或開展他的議題\n548425\t562590\t据您谈的这个一个平台我们会另外一部分来去进行希望各个单位各处所在合理范围就在授权方面问题的情形之下能够进行能够会认起来这是我们目前朝中努力的方向好OK\n563690\t584751\t那中研院有關於中研院的解凍報告裡頭有提到說這個Open Academy預計年底會完成雛形那現在一年即將也就是過了一半所以目前當然想要詢問一下進度還有這個平台的主要\n585572\t613032\t是提供研究者使用嗎還是這個所謂的研究者指的是哪些人是有身份限制嗎還是一般的學生也算在內還是人人都可以是研究者好 報告委員我是那個中研院資訊所所長廖鴻源是那過去2006做了7年的那個數位典藏國家研究計畫研發分享的總主持人那這個問題其實先生剛剛您問的問題就是年底要不要開放這件事情是一個多媒體的問題\n614193\t636708\tExactly就跟現在的大型語言模型相關因為多媒體它涵蓋的範圍是語言、文字還有影像、還有視訊、還有聲音但當我們碰到大型語言模型的時候現在要讓這些研究者能夠大家都能夠用的時候或者是學生能用的時候因為每一種媒體它被表達出來的程度是不一樣的\n638309\t660627\t語言它是唯一的因為它寫白紙黑字但是聲音的時候你在處理它的時候因為它有時序上的順序所以也比較相對容易但是影像就不一樣了那因為我們現在在處理大型語言模型的時候我們希望這些東西都能夠合起來讓這個資料庫能夠被擴充能夠大量的多元然後能夠更有用更有用處\n661388\t677886\t所以在這個部分還是大家都在研究的階段但是我們眾院有團隊非常厲害的團隊在做這個事情在資訊所還有資創中心所以我們可以把這個東西在年底我們一直都有結果出來所以變成還在研究中\n678487\t693028\t不只我們有一直研究然後也一直有成果出來只是說剛剛我講的多媒體它被表達的程度是不一樣的所以我們的進展在事業上算是也是不錯的非常好的這個跟委員報告一下好\n694909\t713854\t那我想另外我們想知道說我們做資料的開放跟共享我們其實還是常常會遇到所謂的著作權的問題那如果根據著作權法30條著作財產權的存續的時間是著作人的生存期間以及他死亡後的50年也就是說\n714854\t723778\t超過這個年限的文物或文獻就屬於公共財任何人都可以自由運用所以智慧財產局也有回覆過本席他說如果單純將古物進行掃描轉檔通常不具有個人創意的投入這個掃描圖檔原則上並非受到著作權法所保護的著作所以想要提醒中研院的是說無論現在或將來\n740166\t752751\t這些年代久遠已經沒有著作權問題的文獻或古物是否都能掃描上網百分百公開讓國人以及所有有興趣的人可以研究來輕鬆運用我想這個也是給一個建議應該沒問題吧謝謝委員我們會再研議\n759272\t780619\t在合法的範圍內會好那不好意思最後20秒我還想提一下說為在台南的這個南部院區去年有舉辦南部開放日那吸引很多爸爸媽媽帶著小孩一起來大家回饋都很好那本期去年就有跟院長提過希望今年規模更大一點那主題更多元\n782640\t805338\t那可是我知道我們國內的旅費有被藍白刪了15%而且又不得留用所以可能會影響到各所各中心想要到南部舉辦這些活動的意願跟規模所以我還是想替南部的鄉親請命希望中研院能繼續舉辦南院開放日並且至少維持去年這樣的一個規模不曉得有沒有機會\n806940\t825343\t對 我們南部縣區今年開放一定會再辦規模還是會維持去年量還是說還有機會更精彩如果有機會再擴大我們現在在探討各種可能性將來有缺定案的話再跟委員報告這件事情我們一定會做謝謝\n","txt":"首先請教一下核安會\n我要先講一下其實藍白兩黨這樣的大動大山真的是大大影響我們部會的運作那本席要強調預算本來就應該理性監督那不是毫無理由的就讓部會那麼的難堪那我們看看中研院好了我們的業務費被砍了30%\n可是中研院的性質跟一般的行政機關不同所以我們的業務費不只是行政事務費而已我們還包含了更多的研究經費那另外研究人員的國內外參與費還有出國教育訓練費等等也被刪了15%還不得留用所以造成很多研究人員參加學術會議要移動到南院辦活動等等都受到很大的限制那河安會負責全國的河安\n核能安全 輻射安全 放射性廢棄物安全管制等業務而且你們還沒有地方單位可以支援你所以相關的經查 檢查都需要核安會的業務費來支援那你業務費被動了30%那各項的管制業務就存在了很多的不確定性\n還有我們輻射偵測中心的預算也很重要預算被凍結結果就會影響全台環境輻射的即時監測環境輻射累積的劑量監測及其對應資源實驗室的正常運作影響和河岸的管制\n那我是認為說在藍白外行干預專業那聯手亂下我國核能政策的指導起的現在核能安全的管制更因嚴加的重視所以\n讓核物料的管制跟核電廠處理的安全管制這個預算必須要儘早解凍那才能有效的確保安全那另外本席之前在核安會業務報告備詢的時候有提到一個臨時提案\n就是要求核安會對於核電拆除計畫書應該嚴加的審查同時要未雨綢繆我們要趕緊的來培訓專業的廚藝人員那並對核三停機廚藝工作儘早研議來因應所以請教主委就是說目前核電廚藝的準備工作是否有如期在進行那有遇到什麼樣的問題上代客服嗎\n主委我們在按照現有的條件下我們盡量把它做好是當然業務費算是有影響的對我們也盡量按照既有的條件把它做好讓它安全無虞好所以現在就是正在進行初一的工作對\n好 那另外齁 昨天民眾黨重啟這個河山公投的這個備蘭白衣這備蘭白衣人數的優勢來粗暴通過那本席是認為預期啊 我們要來談核電\n不如我們好好地思考說台灣如何強化電網的韌性怎麼提高再生能源的配比去年預算審查的時候本席就認為像國園院等單位其實更應該積極地發展綠能的科技研究跟新能源的科技研究所以我想請教國園院的是有關綠能發配電\n智慧管理與效能提升技術發展計畫本期看到你們這個報告那有寫說成功開發本土化配電網路管理平台有效管理雲林線配電潰線與再生能源並往發電並推廣到全台13個縣市的配電的潰線調度中心使用所以想要請教\n高院長是說近年來我們是否再擴大這項計畫的應用範圍普及到全台灣是的 我們這個已經從一個雲林線開始取代原來外商的配電系統\n13個縣市已經改用我們的系統是國內自主我們本院研發的同時這個系統也獲得2021年全球百大的一個R&D發明獎所以我們會持續來做這個配電網的研究還有電網韌性的一個分析才持續在這個綠能增加的狀況下能夠維持這個供電的穩定度協助台電公司來做這些\n好 那再請教中研院就是說關於國家淨零排放那永續發展的這個社會目標我們可不可以擴大來鼓勵我們研究人員投入相關的研究案來扶植國內的產業技術升級周副院長我們請那個管理院中心陳玉高主任好 好 主任\n我們在研發的過程中間確實對每一項我國需要的技術都做了未來的佈局所以陸陸續續都會開始\n上次質詢的時候有向我們中研院請教說數位化研究資料開放的問題那主要是因為中研院各所目前有建置各自的平台那可是很難跨資料庫去檢索所以我今天還想再追問就是說我們上一次數位文化中心有提到說現在的規劃建置這個Open Academy\n希望透過一戰式的方式讓研究者可以對應各自的研究需求運用更多元的資料那本席是肯定這樣的路線可是我們同心也擔心說如果欠缺精緻化的分類處理那只是把研究資料通通不分青紅皂白塞到這裡來那可能還是會難以符合這個研究的需求所以本席想要請教的是說那這個平台規劃要怎麼樣整合\n分類各大主題類別的資料庫那之前本席詢問說這種跨資料庫檢索功能的時候中醫院是回復說各研究所各中心的資料庫的收入內容應該相當多元而且取得內容的授權跟開放條件的名單開放條件各異所以要統合資料庫的整合檢索執行上好像會有困難\n可是我如果現在規劃這個Open Academy那如何來協調各機構的這種合作以及這個資料的整合那橫向的單位的合作就會是順利的嗎哪部分又會遇到困難我們請數位文化中心主任來回答\n謝謝委員隨詢上次我們聽委員的意見之後我們馬上雙稳旗下一方面希望各個單位在進行他們的資料庫的檢索的時候按照上委員的標準希望能夠重新改善包括您提及的幾個比較重要的標標標計時所也好台視所的一個規範我們將進行下來希望各所在既定的一個授權範圍合理之下我們能夠開放能夠讓更多的研究者或大眾能夠參考\n您提到Open Academy的设计师和我们的Open Museum我们基本上是针对于个人研究者他们的需求他们自己在里面可以建立他们发展他们议题的设想然后经过议题设想收集这些材料这些材料他们可能还要到各个平台或各个数位的资料库里面去攫取然后再去收集然后在他们自己本身的资料库里面建立起来\n資料化 從議題的發想 資料的彙整 到他們的論文的寫作寫作之後 透過我們的Open Academy可以進一步跟學界溝通然後用Outsourcing的方式 使它更完美的呈現這是我們理想 當然是一個篡權循環發展之後 他們可以自己重新再規劃或開展他的議題\n据您谈的这个一个平台我们会另外一部分来去进行希望各个单位各处所在合理范围就在授权方面问题的情形之下能够进行能够会认起来这是我们目前朝中努力的方向好OK\n那中研院有關於中研院的解凍報告裡頭有提到說這個Open Academy預計年底會完成雛形那現在一年即將也就是過了一半所以目前當然想要詢問一下進度還有這個平台的主要\n是提供研究者使用嗎還是這個所謂的研究者指的是哪些人是有身份限制嗎還是一般的學生也算在內還是人人都可以是研究者好 報告委員我是那個中研院資訊所所長廖鴻源是那過去2006做了7年的那個數位典藏國家研究計畫研發分享的總主持人那這個問題其實先生剛剛您問的問題就是年底要不要開放這件事情是一個多媒體的問題\nExactly就跟現在的大型語言模型相關因為多媒體它涵蓋的範圍是語言、文字還有影像、還有視訊、還有聲音但當我們碰到大型語言模型的時候現在要讓這些研究者能夠大家都能夠用的時候或者是學生能用的時候因為每一種媒體它被表達出來的程度是不一樣的\n語言它是唯一的因為它寫白紙黑字但是聲音的時候你在處理它的時候因為它有時序上的順序所以也比較相對容易但是影像就不一樣了那因為我們現在在處理大型語言模型的時候我們希望這些東西都能夠合起來讓這個資料庫能夠被擴充能夠大量的多元然後能夠更有用更有用處\n所以在這個部分還是大家都在研究的階段但是我們眾院有團隊非常厲害的團隊在做這個事情在資訊所還有資創中心所以我們可以把這個東西在年底我們一直都有結果出來所以變成還在研究中\n不只我們有一直研究然後也一直有成果出來只是說剛剛我講的多媒體它被表達的程度是不一樣的所以我們的進展在事業上算是也是不錯的非常好的這個跟委員報告一下好\n那我想另外我們想知道說我們做資料的開放跟共享我們其實還是常常會遇到所謂的著作權的問題那如果根據著作權法30條著作財產權的存續的時間是著作人的生存期間以及他死亡後的50年也就是說\n超過這個年限的文物或文獻就屬於公共財任何人都可以自由運用所以智慧財產局也有回覆過本席他說如果單純將古物進行掃描轉檔通常不具有個人創意的投入這個掃描圖檔原則上並非受到著作權法所保護的著作所以想要提醒中研院的是說無論現在或將來\n這些年代久遠已經沒有著作權問題的文獻或古物是否都能掃描上網百分百公開讓國人以及所有有興趣的人可以研究來輕鬆運用我想這個也是給一個建議應該沒問題吧謝謝委員我們會再研議\n在合法的範圍內會好那不好意思最後20秒我還想提一下說為在台南的這個南部院區去年有舉辦南部開放日那吸引很多爸爸媽媽帶著小孩一起來大家回饋都很好那本期去年就有跟院長提過希望今年規模更大一點那主題更多元\n那可是我知道我們國內的旅費有被藍白刪了15%而且又不得留用所以可能會影響到各所各中心想要到南部舉辦這些活動的意願跟規模所以我還是想替南部的鄉親請命希望中研院能繼續舉辦南院開放日並且至少維持去年這樣的一個規模不曉得有沒有機會\n對 我們南部縣區今年開放一定會再辦規模還是會維持去年量還是說還有機會更精彩如果有機會再擴大我們現在在探討各種可能性將來有缺定案的話再跟委員報告這件事情我們一定會做謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:00.770\n首先請教一下核安會\n\n00:23.581 --> 00:40.577\n我要先講一下其實藍白兩黨這樣的大動大山真的是大大影響我們部會的運作那本席要強調預算本來就應該理性監督那不是毫無理由的就讓部會那麼的難堪那我們看看中研院好了我們的業務費被砍了30%\n\n00:44.760 --> 01:12.832\n可是中研院的性質跟一般的行政機關不同所以我們的業務費不只是行政事務費而已我們還包含了更多的研究經費那另外研究人員的國內外參與費還有出國教育訓練費等等也被刪了15%還不得留用所以造成很多研究人員參加學術會議要移動到南院辦活動等等都受到很大的限制那河安會負責全國的河安\n\n01:13.972 --> 01:35.722\n核能安全輻射安全放射性廢棄物安全管制等業務而且你們還沒有地方單位可以支援你所以相關的經查檢查都需要核安會的業務費來支援那你業務費被動了30%那各項的管制業務就存在了很多的不確定性\n\n01:36.862 --> 01:46.851\n還有我們輻射偵測中心的預算也很重要預算被凍結結果就會影響全台環境輻射的即時監測環境輻射累積的劑量監測及其對應資源實驗室的正常運作影響和河岸的管制\n\n01:57.981 --> 02:12.586\n那我是認為說在藍白外行干預專業那聯手亂下我國核能政策的指導起的現在核能安全的管制更因嚴加的重視所以\n\n02:13.526 --> 02:26.292\n讓核物料的管制跟核電廠處理的安全管制這個預算必須要儘早解凍那才能有效的確保安全那另外本席之前在核安會業務報告備詢的時候有提到一個臨時提案\n\n02:30.094 --> 02:58.367\n就是要求核安會對於核電拆除計畫書應該嚴加的審查同時要未雨綢繆我們要趕緊的來培訓專業的廚藝人員那並對核三停機廚藝工作儘早研議來因應所以請教主委就是說目前核電廚藝的準備工作是否有如期在進行那有遇到什麼樣的問題上代客服嗎\n\n02:59.520 --> 03:27.234\n主委我們在按照現有的條件下我們盡量把它做好是當然業務費算是有影響的對我們也盡量按照既有的條件把它做好讓它安全無虞好所以現在就是正在進行初一的工作對\n\n03:30.339 --> 03:42.206\n好那另外齁昨天民眾黨重啟這個河山公投的這個備蘭白衣這備蘭白衣人數的優勢來粗暴通過那本席是認為預期啊我們要來談核電\n\n03:49.029 --> 04:13.965\n不如我們好好地思考說台灣如何強化電網的韌性怎麼提高再生能源的配比去年預算審查的時候本席就認為像國園院等單位其實更應該積極地發展綠能的科技研究跟新能源的科技研究所以我想請教國園院的是有關綠能發配電\n\n04:17.927 --> 04:43.558\n智慧管理與效能提升技術發展計畫本期看到你們這個報告那有寫說成功開發本土化配電網路管理平台有效管理雲林線配電潰線與再生能源並往發電並推廣到全台13個縣市的配電的潰線調度中心使用所以想要請教\n\n04:45.097 --> 04:50.843\n高院長是說近年來我們是否再擴大這項計畫的應用範圍普及到全台灣是的我們這個已經從一個雲林線開始取代原來外商的配電系統\n\n05:04.421 --> 05:28.821\n13個縣市已經改用我們的系統是國內自主我們本院研發的同時這個系統也獲得2021年全球百大的一個R&D發明獎所以我們會持續來做這個配電網的研究還有電網韌性的一個分析才持續在這個綠能增加的狀況下能夠維持這個供電的穩定度協助台電公司來做這些\n\n05:30.506 --> 05:56.273\n好那再請教中研院就是說關於國家淨零排放那永續發展的這個社會目標我們可不可以擴大來鼓勵我們研究人員投入相關的研究案來扶植國內的產業技術升級周副院長我們請那個管理院中心陳玉高主任好好主任\n\n05:58.281 --> 06:08.832\n我們在研發的過程中間確實對每一項我國需要的技術都做了未來的佈局所以陸陸續續都會開始\n\n06:13.337 --> 06:38.496\n上次質詢的時候有向我們中研院請教說數位化研究資料開放的問題那主要是因為中研院各所目前有建置各自的平台那可是很難跨資料庫去檢索所以我今天還想再追問就是說我們上一次數位文化中心有提到說現在的規劃建置這個OpenAcademy\n\n06:41.418 --> 07:07.914\n希望透過一戰式的方式讓研究者可以對應各自的研究需求運用更多元的資料那本席是肯定這樣的路線可是我們同心也擔心說如果欠缺精緻化的分類處理那只是把研究資料通通不分青紅皂白塞到這裡來那可能還是會難以符合這個研究的需求所以本席想要請教的是說那這個平台規劃要怎麼樣整合\n\n07:10.455 --> 07:30.832\n分類各大主題類別的資料庫那之前本席詢問說這種跨資料庫檢索功能的時候中醫院是回復說各研究所各中心的資料庫的收入內容應該相當多元而且取得內容的授權跟開放條件的名單開放條件各異所以要統合資料庫的整合檢索執行上好像會有困難\n\n07:38.058 --> 07:56.532\n可是我如果現在規劃這個OpenAcademy那如何來協調各機構的這種合作以及這個資料的整合那橫向的單位的合作就會是順利的嗎哪部分又會遇到困難我們請數位文化中心主任來回答\n\n07:58.458 --> 08:23.990\n謝謝委員隨詢上次我們聽委員的意見之後我們馬上雙稳旗下一方面希望各個單位在進行他們的資料庫的檢索的時候按照上委員的標準希望能夠重新改善包括您提及的幾個比較重要的標標標計時所也好台視所的一個規範我們將進行下來希望各所在既定的一個授權範圍合理之下我們能夠開放能夠讓更多的研究者或大眾能夠參考\n\n08:24.930 --> 08:47.567\n您提到OpenAcademy的设计师和我们的OpenMuseum我们基本上是针对于个人研究者他们的需求他们自己在里面可以建立他们发展他们议题的设想然后经过议题设想收集这些材料这些材料他们可能还要到各个平台或各个数位的资料库里面去攫取然后再去收集然后在他们自己本身的资料库里面建立起来\n\n08:48.127 --> 09:07.604\n資料化從議題的發想資料的彙整到他們的論文的寫作寫作之後透過我們的OpenAcademy可以進一步跟學界溝通然後用Outsourcing的方式使它更完美的呈現這是我們理想當然是一個篡權循環發展之後他們可以自己重新再規劃或開展他的議題\n\n09:08.425 --> 09:22.590\n据您谈的这个一个平台我们会另外一部分来去进行希望各个单位各处所在合理范围就在授权方面问题的情形之下能够进行能够会认起来这是我们目前朝中努力的方向好OK\n\n09:23.690 --> 09:44.751\n那中研院有關於中研院的解凍報告裡頭有提到說這個OpenAcademy預計年底會完成雛形那現在一年即將也就是過了一半所以目前當然想要詢問一下進度還有這個平台的主要\n\n09:45.572 --> 10:13.032\n是提供研究者使用嗎還是這個所謂的研究者指的是哪些人是有身份限制嗎還是一般的學生也算在內還是人人都可以是研究者好報告委員我是那個中研院資訊所所長廖鴻源是那過去2006做了7年的那個數位典藏國家研究計畫研發分享的總主持人那這個問題其實先生剛剛您問的問題就是年底要不要開放這件事情是一個多媒體的問題\n\n10:14.193 --> 10:36.708\nExactly就跟現在的大型語言模型相關因為多媒體它涵蓋的範圍是語言、文字還有影像、還有視訊、還有聲音但當我們碰到大型語言模型的時候現在要讓這些研究者能夠大家都能夠用的時候或者是學生能用的時候因為每一種媒體它被表達出來的程度是不一樣的\n\n10:38.309 --> 11:00.627\n語言它是唯一的因為它寫白紙黑字但是聲音的時候你在處理它的時候因為它有時序上的順序所以也比較相對容易但是影像就不一樣了那因為我們現在在處理大型語言模型的時候我們希望這些東西都能夠合起來讓這個資料庫能夠被擴充能夠大量的多元然後能夠更有用更有用處\n\n11:01.388 --> 11:17.886\n所以在這個部分還是大家都在研究的階段但是我們眾院有團隊非常厲害的團隊在做這個事情在資訊所還有資創中心所以我們可以把這個東西在年底我們一直都有結果出來所以變成還在研究中\n\n11:18.487 --> 11:33.028\n不只我們有一直研究然後也一直有成果出來只是說剛剛我講的多媒體它被表達的程度是不一樣的所以我們的進展在事業上算是也是不錯的非常好的這個跟委員報告一下好\n\n11:34.909 --> 11:53.854\n那我想另外我們想知道說我們做資料的開放跟共享我們其實還是常常會遇到所謂的著作權的問題那如果根據著作權法30條著作財產權的存續的時間是著作人的生存期間以及他死亡後的50年也就是說\n\n11:54.854 --> 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