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00:02:22,121\n實務上部長您認為這樣的制度真的能夠篩檢出高風險的駕駛人嗎是報告委員所以我們現在整個改革的機制裡面其實我們有加了其他的危險認知的部分危險感知的部分那另外我們對於市之是否健全以外它是否靈活活動度的部分我們也會進行測驗跟測試這項測驗是由誰來做測驗\n\n8\n00:02:25,203 --> 00:02:40,380\n我們到時候會跟目前我們是找診所診所在做包含衛生署也都有做我們是重新來設計這套鑑定的檢測標準嗎它是否還是最低門檻我們會不會還是它只是加嚴\n\n9\n00:02:42,236 --> 00:03:05,745\n當然啦報告委員我們整體的這個危險感知的部分也會加進來所以整套的這個設計我們三個月之後會提出一個系部跟委員再來報告那本期在上一次有針對就是桃園巴德他這個事故有詢問過部長駕駛如果他是證實因為身體突然不適然後導致事故當時也有問過部長那交通部和衛福部有沒有\n\n10\n00:03:07,045 --> 00:03:30,823\n當時您交通部的回覆是沒有既有的聯防機制那經過這次事件後交通部和衛福部會建立什麼樣的機制因為未來我們的整體的改善的機制其實跟衛福部也相當相關包括我們在體檢的部分我們也希望說衛福部也可以幫忙因為現在衛福部有一個老人的免費健檢那我們希望把安全駕駛的這個健檢的項目能夠放進去那未來我們會盡量跟他們連線我們其實應該有開過會有溝通過吧\n\n11\n00:03:34,506 --> 00:04:00,632\n那跟衛福部那邊連線就是說有哪些人是吃藥哪些藥物會造成價值要求的影響是什麼時候開會的跟我們報告一下剛剛委員所提到大概是資訊借接的這個部分嘛是什麼時候開會的資訊借接的部分在公務局跟我們報告一下這個東西有一個處罰條例資訊回答我的問題嘛什麼時候嘛應該是前年\n\n12\n00:04:06,588 --> 00:04:18,264\n13年因為現在衛福部不管是我們國內的健保資料庫還是公路駕駛系統還有身心障礙的通報平台都已經數位化多年了難道交通部不能直接和衛福部討論嗎看我們是不是可以建立一個聯防機制\n\n13\n00:04:20,075 --> 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那目前因為我們看到公共局的規定75歲以上的駕駛人他患照需要經過體檢然後還有視力 辨色力還有聽力 視知活動能力還有其他就是其他的重大疾病評估然後進行認知測驗那\n實務上部長您認為這樣的制度真的能夠篩檢出高風險的駕駛人嗎是報告委員所以我們現在整個改革的機制裡面其實我們有加了其他的危險認知的部分危險感知的部分那另外我們對於市之是否健全以外它是否靈活活動度的部分我們也會進行測驗跟測試這項測驗是由誰來做測驗\n我們到時候會跟目前我們是找診所診所在做包含衛生署也都有做我們是重新來設計這套鑑定的檢測標準嗎它是否還是最低門檻我們會不會還是它只是加嚴\n當然啦報告委員我們整體的這個危險感知的部分也會加進來所以整套的這個設計我們三個月之後會提出一個系部跟委員再來報告那本期在上一次有針對就是桃園巴德他這個事故有詢問過部長駕駛如果他是證實因為身體突然不適然後導致事故當時也有問過部長那交通部和衛福部有沒有\n當時您交通部的回覆是沒有既有的聯防機制那經過這次事件後交通部和衛福部會建立什麼樣的機制因為未來我們的整體的改善的機制其實跟衛福部也相當相關包括我們在體檢的部分我們也希望說衛福部也可以幫忙因為現在衛福部有一個老人的免費健檢那我們希望把安全駕駛的這個健檢的項目能夠放進去那未來我們會盡量跟他們連線我們其實應該有開過會有溝通過吧\n那跟衛福部那邊連線就是說有哪些人是吃藥哪些藥物會造成價值要求的影響是什麼時候開會的跟我們報告一下剛剛委員所提到大概是資訊借接的這個部分嘛是什麼時候開會的資訊借接的部分在公務局跟我們報告一下這個東西有一個處罰條例資訊回答我的問題嘛什麼時候嘛應該是前年\n13年因為現在衛福部不管是我們國內的健保資料庫還是公路駕駛系統還有身心障礙的通報平台都已經數位化多年了難道交通部不能直接和衛福部討論嗎看我們是不是可以建立一個聯防機制\n已經討論了 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