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00:02:47,919\n對話所謂對話就是海際會跟對岸的對口單位海協會對話中止是2016年開始他的理由是我們不接受九二共識到現在為止也是這個理由可是我們政府是認為九二共識裡頭沒有中華民國的位置\n\n8\n00:02:50,185 --> 00:03:12,009\n我們是這樣不接受不過我個人認為交流、對話、和平這三個都是連結在一起的所以應該窮盡辦法不過我是了解到社外的關係隨時變化所以審慎樂觀\n\n9\n00:03:15,369 --> 00:03:41,339\n對因為本期比較關心的就是從2016年我們就終止了兩岸的對話那我是希望說在吳董事長你的提倡就是中道和平共存共榮的理念能恢復兩岸的對話以及兩岸的交流這是我們是比較關心的因為我們兩岸還是要處於大家共存共榮的\n\n10\n00:03:45,400 --> 00:04:06,649\n就是這個角色一定要扮演好那這也是我們吳董事長所關心的那至於說30幾年來共同就在我們服務的案件就有800多萬件那證明我們海際會扮演的角色還是非常重要比如說我們的對岸的海協會\n\n11\n00:04:07,729 --> 00:04:18,413\n要怎樣透過關係怎樣有一個我們的管道來保持這個暢通的溝通管道這一點應該是比較重要吧我剛才有報告裡頭有一句話就是兩會對話中斷但傳話暢通那麼這些傳話\n\n12\n00:04:37,591 --> 00:04:51,120\n也許在某一個時間會發生效用到現在為止沒有效用不過我的職責就是想辦法去恢復所以很認真在做\n\n13\n00:04:52,401 --> 00:05:17,331\n好啦我們共同的努力共同期待因為畢竟我們台商還有很多都在中國大陸他們一些的服務案件我們還是要照樣的去運作這是我們兩岸的共存共榮的理念啦好謝謝我們董事長辛苦你了真的很辛苦好謝謝好請我們入委會邱主委有請\n\n14\n00:05:21,434 --> 00:05:43,232\n主委好好主委好主委本席比較關心的就是我們大陸的配偶因為我們三個月要繳交大陸的戶籍的處級證明台灣有很多是我們大陸的新娘的外配其實我們那時候\n\n15\n00:05:44,861 --> 00:06:04,202\n移民署要寄一萬兩千多件那你一寄出來你整個海基會200線全部都報滿那這樣我就是要求說我們陸委會是不是一個政策下去跟移民署還有我們海基會還有我們陸委會大家要溝通是不是\n\n16\n00:06:06,069 --> 00:06:28,778\n坤坯或是他們現在還面臨一個問題,就是他們過去已經一二十年了一二十年你又要叫他當處級,有的人事地務都變了所以說在這個部分,我們還要有一個配套再來實施,要怎樣來扶\n\n17\n00:06:32,271 --> 00:06:46,376\n來來來來輔導他們可以取得我們更更加合法完整不然你又煮了要再回去的時候有的都是一二十年這個部分是請我們陸委會要去考量\n\n18\n00:06:47,999 --> 00:07:10,384\n謝謝委員這個非常感謝我們對於陸配有關於依法要把這個對岸除籍證明拿回來以確保他台灣的身份那當然這是依法行政那我們是在疫情期間發現疫情期間有很多剛結婚的人無法回去我們基於人道立場\n\n19\n00:07:12,044 --> 00:07:30,569\n不能說三個月內一定要把初期證明拿回來這個是不可能那疫情之後我們就協助這些沒有完成初期證明拿回來的這些陸配開始協助他們然而我們就開始清查以往的案例發現我們總共台灣有36萬\n\n20\n00:07:38,095 --> 00:08:04,933\n對結婚我們發出去的身份證有14萬張但是拿回出去證明只有13萬份還有1萬的這個差距到底是怎麼了為什麼沒有落實執法那所以我們發現包括過去的在2004年那時候我們兩條立和大一個翻修那個之前也沒有回去所以我們從去年10月就開始宣導清查的作業\n\n21\n00:08:05,874 --> 00:08:26,514\n其實已經完成了第一階段第二階段了那也讓我們陸配在兩岸間因為我們兩岸條例是一種單一身份的制度這個是維繫兩岸人流人別重要的基礎如果這個被破壞的話我們無法進行\n\n22\n00:08:27,214 --> 00:08:53,325\n兩岸的交流所以我們想說這個事情是繼續蓋下來呢還是我們勇敢的面對問題承擔責任找出解決問題的方法把30年來的問題把它解決掉所以我們跟委員一樣的想法要有一個完整的配套措施那對於現在不方便的還有資料不清楚的或者說他刑方不\n\n23\n00:08:54,065 --> 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主委好主委本席比較關心的就是我們大陸的配偶因為我們三個月要繳交大陸的戶籍的處級證明台灣有很多是我們大陸的新娘的外配其實我們那時候\n移民署要寄一萬兩千多件那你一寄出來你整個海基會200線全部都報滿那這樣我就是要求說我們陸委會是不是一個政策下去跟移民署還有我們海基會還有我們陸委會大家要溝通是不是\n坤坯或是他們現在還面臨一個問題,就是他們過去已經一二十年了一二十年你又要叫他當處級,有的人事地務都變了所以說在這個部分,我們還要有一個配套再來實施,要怎樣來扶\n來來來來輔導他們可以取得我們更更加合法完整不然你又煮了要再回去的時候有的都是一二十年這個部分是請我們陸委會要去考量\n謝謝委員 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