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00:01:31,483\n好很可惜喔不過確實民進黨團在這件事情上我們已經有相關表達立場我們認為我們完全尊重您的建議因為五院都必須要同等對待面對敵外境外敵對勢力這件事情我認為在野黨應該也要一起支持不過因為剛剛是徐馨瑋問的這一題我就忍不住好奇喔國民黨的\n\n5\n00:01:32,723 --> 00:01:46,620\n總召帶著國民黨委員去這件事情我認為有相關的國安疑慮不過這不是我今天的問題我要跟您分享另外一個可能在你們過往的涉及業務範圍裡面沒有意識到這裡也有國安危機在2022年當時呢直攔高雄鋼鐵人\n\n6\n00:01:47,441 --> 00:02:14,631\n港资案这件事情我不知道你有没有印象2022年那你们处理的方法非常明快果决那面对陆资跟港资要进驻台湾运动团队我不知道后续你们有没有其他的掌握那我这个指控其实是其来有自事实上这几年开始我们看到非常非常多的中资他们花很多钱开始大举收购世界各地的球队我们都知道收购球队绝对不是只是为了收购球队\n\n7\n00:02:15,211 --> 00:02:41,911\n它相关政治文化的配套其实是绑在一起的这个过往的渗透手法其实全世界都已经看得非常清楚了在去年五月我们办公室收到了一个陈情来自于国立台湾体大在台中再次强调台中的国立台湾体育运动大学他们在2024年把台湾以及足球联赛的参赛资格从学校端这边转卖给峰会体育有限公司\n\n8\n00:02:43,191 --> 00:02:57,920\n同時在去年的5月31號中華足協也做了這個公告當時我們辦公室收到這個陳情之後呢來下一張我們當然要積極跟教育部了解台體大怎麼可以做這樣的事情怎麼可以把足球協會以及聯賽的參賽資格還有球員的權利轉讓給民間公司到底內部審核發生了什麼事情\n\n9\n00:03:05,825 --> 00:03:18,401\n當時教育部高將司去做一些行政調查當然現在調查結果我們是不滿意的我們辦公室後續會再持續追蹤因為我們來看一下這個公司到底是什麼樣的公司來下一張\n\n10\n00:03:20,674 --> 00:03:32,658\n好那這個是相關的合約內容就長成這樣好主委您看一下那那個乙方也就是峰會體育有限公司的代表者是馮世文那這個案子真的非常非常的誇張當時在轉讓這個權利的時候呢簽名就只有球隊教練一個人\n\n11\n00:03:37,120 --> 00:04:04,078\n是這個事情爆發出來之後發現副校長跟校長才知道當然學校不是您所主管的業務沒關係我們往下看馮世文是誰呢馮世文是來自於峰會體育有限公司的代表人但是他同時也是另外港資跟中資的發言人相關的工作如果我們往下繼續追查好下一張我們懷疑國立大學球隊疑似遭到港資收購我們認為陸委會在這件事情上要進一步了解並且掌握狀況不知道主委你有沒有聽過這個新聞\n\n12\n00:04:07,683 --> 00:04:20,835\n這個鋼鐵人那個籃球隊鋼鐵人那個沒關係你一定知道對那個反正這個如果有我們國立大學的球隊被港資或中資收購這是我們第一次聽到的轉讓出賽權利對你們第一次聽到對不對\n\n13\n00:04:24,618 --> 00:04:29,341\n我們辦公室希望透過公開的質詢讓陸委會知道這個事情我要再次強調他絕對不會只是個案我認為有非常多的可能性在後續會發生怎麼說呢事實上我們來看這個我幫你整理這個表格的意思是這樣\n\n14\n00:04:44,070 --> 00:05:12,764\n不是只有足球事實上排球在台灣由單項協會所主辦的企業聯賽他們都有機會代表台灣去參加所謂國際體育組織所辦理的亞洲賽事也就是他們會代表台灣參加國際賽事而這些球隊背後可能是中資或港資就入委會在維持台灣國安的角度你們認為有沒有疑慮啊\n\n15\n00:05:13,624 --> 00:05:26,770\n還是你覺得沒關係這個案子反正不管是港資中資按照我們兩條例或是港澳關係條例這種投資都必須要由我們許可\n\n16\n00:05:27,579 --> 00:05:50,287\n這個叫投審會機制但是回到剛剛台體大那個完全不用走投審會機制他就是私下就轉讓出去了因為他是學校的球隊所以我認為未來會發展出來的樣態可能會非常多元在我們還沒有意識到這裡已經有滲透的可能性的時候他事實上已經發生了怎麼這麼說呢因為事實上在台中明後年即將落成一個足球園區\n\n17\n00:05:52,116 --> 00:06:08,417\n而這個大型的足球園區他到時候一定需要相關團隊去經營所以假設我用一個比較壞心來想如果我今天是要做滲透的人我在台中先拗有一個球隊我到時候是可不可以去經營這個園區而我拗有這個球隊背後老闆其實是港資跟中資\n\n18\n00:06:09,799 --> 00:06:23,234\n所以我要提醒陸委會今天真的是友善的提醒來我們來看一下關於這個台體大的案子我們辦公室後續會願意把相關資料交給陸委會我們希望你們從公安的角度協助我們去理解這個案子後續其他的問題\n\n19\n00:06:24,656 --> 00:06:46,289\n第二个关于中国企业在国际的收购持有运动团队的做法我们想要拜托陆委会有没有机会在三个月内协同教育部针对台湾的职业还有企业联赛球队的所有权资金来源进行掌握跟制度性的监控跟相关报告因为这可能过往不在你们的业务规范或者是想象的内容之内\n\n20\n00:06:47,700 --> 00:07:12,720\n我想中資來台投資我想這個應該都不在許可範圍是那我們對於中資來台港資來台除了這個投資許可之外按照兩條例第40條之一他要成立分工事和辦事處那我們對這個查處呢我們首先要跟主管機關來了解\n\n21\n00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:38,776\n所以這種形態比較特別對沒錯我就說台體大這個案子非常特別所以我們是不是來跟主管機關一起來瞭解這個案子再跟委員來回覆好那還有我剛剛說的這些企業聯賽的部分我覺得因為之後我們運動部會有所謂全民體育署我們會有更多運動的資源在這所謂企業聯賽當中這也是我們所擔心的如果台體大只是他們試水溫的一個起點一個敲門磚而我們行政機關都沒有發現後續他們可能就發現這裡有破口\n\n22\n00:07:42,819 --> 00:07:49,047\n他們就可以從這裡切入是好嗎好謝謝委員那我們再把相關資訊跟你們討論好謝謝陳委員謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15942\t19127\t好謝謝主席那有請陸委會主委邱主委謝謝邱主委有請\n25815\t48803\t邱主委剛剛徐信義委員特別問到兩岸有沒有這個所謂的私下傳話有沒有這個密室協商但是我很好奇身為國家重要的民意代表中央等級的民意代表立法委員如果整團十幾個人在野黨帶去密室協商關起門來講什麼我們都不知道身為陸委會可以怎麼協助我們國人確保這件事情是沒有安全疑慮的\n49571\t72674\t跟委員報告 我們一直很期待立法院能夠提報涉密的委員去中國大陸依照我們兩岸條例第九條相關的機制來做許可審查但是我們一直沒有 除了五院 除了立法院沒有提報 其他都已經提報了\n73114\t91483\t好很可惜喔不過確實民進黨團在這件事情上我們已經有相關表達立場我們認為我們完全尊重您的建議因為五院都必須要同等對待面對敵外境外敵對勢力這件事情我認為在野黨應該也要一起支持不過因為剛剛是徐馨瑋問的這一題我就忍不住好奇喔國民黨的\n92723\t106620\t總召帶著國民黨委員去這件事情我認為有相關的國安疑慮不過這不是我今天的問題我要跟您分享另外一個可能在你們過往的涉及業務範圍裡面沒有意識到這裡也有國安危機在2022年當時呢直攔高雄鋼鐵人\n107441\t134631\t港资案这件事情我不知道你有没有印象2022年那你们处理的方法非常明快果决那面对陆资跟港资要进驻台湾运动团队我不知道后续你们有没有其他的掌握那我这个指控其实是其来有自事实上这几年开始我们看到非常非常多的中资他们花很多钱开始大举收购世界各地的球队我们都知道收购球队绝对不是只是为了收购球队\n135211\t161911\t它相关政治文化的配套其实是绑在一起的这个过往的渗透手法其实全世界都已经看得非常清楚了在去年五月我们办公室收到了一个陈情来自于国立台湾体大在台中再次强调台中的国立台湾体育运动大学他们在2024年把台湾以及足球联赛的参赛资格从学校端这边转卖给峰会体育有限公司\n163191\t177920\t同時在去年的5月31號中華足協也做了這個公告當時我們辦公室收到這個陳情之後呢來下一張我們當然要積極跟教育部了解台體大怎麼可以做這樣的事情怎麼可以把足球協會以及聯賽的參賽資格還有球員的權利轉讓給民間公司到底內部審核發生了什麼事情\n185825\t198401\t當時教育部高將司去做一些行政調查當然現在調查結果我們是不滿意的我們辦公室後續會再持續追蹤因為我們來看一下這個公司到底是什麼樣的公司來下一張\n200674\t212658\t好那這個是相關的合約內容就長成這樣好主委您看一下那那個乙方也就是峰會體育有限公司的代表者是馮世文那這個案子真的非常非常的誇張當時在轉讓這個權利的時候呢簽名就只有球隊教練一個人\n217120\t244078\t是這個事情爆發出來之後發現副校長跟校長才知道當然學校不是您所主管的業務沒關係我們往下看馮世文是誰呢馮世文是來自於峰會體育有限公司的代表人但是他同時也是另外港資跟中資的發言人相關的工作如果我們往下繼續追查好下一張我們懷疑國立大學球隊疑似遭到港資收購我們認為陸委會在這件事情上要進一步了解並且掌握狀況不知道主委你有沒有聽過這個新聞\n247683\t260835\t這個鋼鐵人那個籃球隊鋼鐵人那個沒關係你一定知道對那個反正這個如果有我們國立大學的球隊被港資或中資收購這是我們第一次聽到的轉讓出賽權利對你們第一次聽到對不對\n264618\t269341\t我們辦公室希望透過公開的質詢讓陸委會知道這個事情我要再次強調他絕對不會只是個案我認為有非常多的可能性在後續會發生怎麼說呢事實上我們來看這個我幫你整理這個表格的意思是這樣\n284070\t312764\t不是只有足球 事實上排球在台灣由單項協會所主辦的企業聯賽他們都有機會代表台灣去參加所謂國際體育組織所辦理的亞洲賽事也就是他們會代表台灣參加國際賽事而這些球隊背後可能是中資或港資就入委會在維持台灣國安的角度你們認為有沒有疑慮啊\n313624\t326770\t還是你覺得沒關係這個案子反正不管是港資中資按照我們兩條例或是港澳關係條例這種投資都必須要由我們許可\n327579\t350287\t這個叫投審會機制但是回到剛剛台體大那個完全不用走投審會機制他就是私下就轉讓出去了因為他是學校的球隊所以我認為未來會發展出來的樣態可能會非常多元在我們還沒有意識到這裡已經有滲透的可能性的時候他事實上已經發生了怎麼這麼說呢因為事實上在台中明後年即將落成一個足球園區\n352116\t368417\t而這個大型的足球園區他到時候一定需要相關團隊去經營所以假設我用一個比較壞心來想如果我今天是要做滲透的人我在台中先拗有一個球隊我到時候是可不可以去經營這個園區而我拗有這個球隊背後老闆其實是港資跟中資\n369799\t383234\t所以我要提醒陸委會今天真的是友善的提醒來我們來看一下關於這個台體大的案子我們辦公室後續會願意把相關資料交給陸委會我們希望你們從公安的角度協助我們去理解這個案子後續其他的問題\n384656\t406289\t第二个关于中国企业在国际的收购持有运动团队的做法我们想要拜托陆委会有没有机会在三个月内协同教育部针对台湾的职业还有企业联赛球队的所有权资金来源进行掌握跟制度性的监控跟相关报告因为这可能过往不在你们的业务规范或者是想象的内容之内\n407700\t432720\t我想中資來台投資我想這個應該都不在許可範圍是那我們對於中資來台港資來台除了這個投資許可之外按照兩條例第40條之一他要成立分工事和辦事處那我們對這個查處呢我們首先要跟主管機關來了解\n433180\t458776\t所以這種形態比較特別對 沒錯 我就說台體大這個案子非常特別所以我們是不是來跟主管機關一起來瞭解這個案子再跟委員來回覆好 那還有我剛剛說的這些企業聯賽的部分我覺得因為之後我們運動部會有所謂全民體育署我們會有更多運動的資源在這所謂企業聯賽當中這也是我們所擔心的如果台體大只是他們試水溫的一個起點 一個敲門磚而我們行政機關都沒有發現後續他們可能就發現這裡有破口\n462819\t469047\t他們就可以從這裡切入是好嗎好謝謝委員那我們再把相關資訊跟你們討論好謝謝陳委員謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那有請陸委會主委邱主委謝謝邱主委有請\n邱主委剛剛徐信義委員特別問到兩岸有沒有這個所謂的私下傳話有沒有這個密室協商但是我很好奇身為國家重要的民意代表中央等級的民意代表立法委員如果整團十幾個人在野黨帶去密室協商關起門來講什麼我們都不知道身為陸委會可以怎麼協助我們國人確保這件事情是沒有安全疑慮的\n跟委員報告 我們一直很期待立法院能夠提報涉密的委員去中國大陸依照我們兩岸條例第九條相關的機制來做許可審查但是我們一直沒有 除了五院 除了立法院沒有提報 其他都已經提報了\n好很可惜喔不過確實民進黨團在這件事情上我們已經有相關表達立場我們認為我們完全尊重您的建議因為五院都必須要同等對待面對敵外境外敵對勢力這件事情我認為在野黨應該也要一起支持不過因為剛剛是徐馨瑋問的這一題我就忍不住好奇喔國民黨的\n總召帶著國民黨委員去這件事情我認為有相關的國安疑慮不過這不是我今天的問題我要跟您分享另外一個可能在你們過往的涉及業務範圍裡面沒有意識到這裡也有國安危機在2022年當時呢直攔高雄鋼鐵人\n港资案这件事情我不知道你有没有印象2022年那你们处理的方法非常明快果决那面对陆资跟港资要进驻台湾运动团队我不知道后续你们有没有其他的掌握那我这个指控其实是其来有自事实上这几年开始我们看到非常非常多的中资他们花很多钱开始大举收购世界各地的球队我们都知道收购球队绝对不是只是为了收购球队\n它相关政治文化的配套其实是绑在一起的这个过往的渗透手法其实全世界都已经看得非常清楚了在去年五月我们办公室收到了一个陈情来自于国立台湾体大在台中再次强调台中的国立台湾体育运动大学他们在2024年把台湾以及足球联赛的参赛资格从学校端这边转卖给峰会体育有限公司\n同時在去年的5月31號中華足協也做了這個公告當時我們辦公室收到這個陳情之後呢來下一張我們當然要積極跟教育部了解台體大怎麼可以做這樣的事情怎麼可以把足球協會以及聯賽的參賽資格還有球員的權利轉讓給民間公司到底內部審核發生了什麼事情\n當時教育部高將司去做一些行政調查當然現在調查結果我們是不滿意的我們辦公室後續會再持續追蹤因為我們來看一下這個公司到底是什麼樣的公司來下一張\n好那這個是相關的合約內容就長成這樣好主委您看一下那那個乙方也就是峰會體育有限公司的代表者是馮世文那這個案子真的非常非常的誇張當時在轉讓這個權利的時候呢簽名就只有球隊教練一個人\n是這個事情爆發出來之後發現副校長跟校長才知道當然學校不是您所主管的業務沒關係我們往下看馮世文是誰呢馮世文是來自於峰會體育有限公司的代表人但是他同時也是另外港資跟中資的發言人相關的工作如果我們往下繼續追查好下一張我們懷疑國立大學球隊疑似遭到港資收購我們認為陸委會在這件事情上要進一步了解並且掌握狀況不知道主委你有沒有聽過這個新聞\n這個鋼鐵人那個籃球隊鋼鐵人那個沒關係你一定知道對那個反正這個如果有我們國立大學的球隊被港資或中資收購這是我們第一次聽到的轉讓出賽權利對你們第一次聽到對不對\n我們辦公室希望透過公開的質詢讓陸委會知道這個事情我要再次強調他絕對不會只是個案我認為有非常多的可能性在後續會發生怎麼說呢事實上我們來看這個我幫你整理這個表格的意思是這樣\n不是只有足球 事實上排球在台灣由單項協會所主辦的企業聯賽他們都有機會代表台灣去參加所謂國際體育組織所辦理的亞洲賽事也就是他們會代表台灣參加國際賽事而這些球隊背後可能是中資或港資就入委會在維持台灣國安的角度你們認為有沒有疑慮啊\n還是你覺得沒關係這個案子反正不管是港資中資按照我們兩條例或是港澳關係條例這種投資都必須要由我們許可\n這個叫投審會機制但是回到剛剛台體大那個完全不用走投審會機制他就是私下就轉讓出去了因為他是學校的球隊所以我認為未來會發展出來的樣態可能會非常多元在我們還沒有意識到這裡已經有滲透的可能性的時候他事實上已經發生了怎麼這麼說呢因為事實上在台中明後年即將落成一個足球園區\n而這個大型的足球園區他到時候一定需要相關團隊去經營所以假設我用一個比較壞心來想如果我今天是要做滲透的人我在台中先拗有一個球隊我到時候是可不可以去經營這個園區而我拗有這個球隊背後老闆其實是港資跟中資\n所以我要提醒陸委會今天真的是友善的提醒來我們來看一下關於這個台體大的案子我們辦公室後續會願意把相關資料交給陸委會我們希望你們從公安的角度協助我們去理解這個案子後續其他的問題\n第二个关于中国企业在国际的收购持有运动团队的做法我们想要拜托陆委会有没有机会在三个月内协同教育部针对台湾的职业还有企业联赛球队的所有权资金来源进行掌握跟制度性的监控跟相关报告因为这可能过往不在你们的业务规范或者是想象的内容之内\n我想中資來台投資我想這個應該都不在許可範圍是那我們對於中資來台港資來台除了這個投資許可之外按照兩條例第40條之一他要成立分工事和辦事處那我們對這個查處呢我們首先要跟主管機關來了解\n所以這種形態比較特別對 沒錯 我就說台體大這個案子非常特別所以我們是不是來跟主管機關一起來瞭解這個案子再跟委員來回覆好 那還有我剛剛說的這些企業聯賽的部分我覺得因為之後我們運動部會有所謂全民體育署我們會有更多運動的資源在這所謂企業聯賽當中這也是我們所擔心的如果台體大只是他們試水溫的一個起點 一個敲門磚而我們行政機關都沒有發現後續他們可能就發現這裡有破口\n他們就可以從這裡切入是好嗎好謝謝委員那我們再把相關資訊跟你們討論好謝謝陳委員謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.942 --> 00:19.127\n好謝謝主席那有請陸委會主委邱主委謝謝邱主委有請\n\n00:25.815 --> 00:48.803\n邱主委剛剛徐信義委員特別問到兩岸有沒有這個所謂的私下傳話有沒有這個密室協商但是我很好奇身為國家重要的民意代表中央等級的民意代表立法委員如果整團十幾個人在野黨帶去密室協商關起門來講什麼我們都不知道身為陸委會可以怎麼協助我們國人確保這件事情是沒有安全疑慮的\n\n00:49.571 --> 01:12.674\n跟委員報告我們一直很期待立法院能夠提報涉密的委員去中國大陸依照我們兩岸條例第九條相關的機制來做許可審查但是我們一直沒有除了五院除了立法院沒有提報其他都已經提報了\n\n01:13.114 --> 01:31.483\n好很可惜喔不過確實民進黨團在這件事情上我們已經有相關表達立場我們認為我們完全尊重您的建議因為五院都必須要同等對待面對敵外境外敵對勢力這件事情我認為在野黨應該也要一起支持不過因為剛剛是徐馨瑋問的這一題我就忍不住好奇喔國民黨的\n\n01:32.723 --> 01:46.620\n總召帶著國民黨委員去這件事情我認為有相關的國安疑慮不過這不是我今天的問題我要跟您分享另外一個可能在你們過往的涉及業務範圍裡面沒有意識到這裡也有國安危機在2022年當時呢直攔高雄鋼鐵人\n\n01:47.441 --> 02:14.631\n港资案这件事情我不知道你有没有印象2022年那你们处理的方法非常明快果决那面对陆资跟港资要进驻台湾运动团队我不知道后续你们有没有其他的掌握那我这个指控其实是其来有自事实上这几年开始我们看到非常非常多的中资他们花很多钱开始大举收购世界各地的球队我们都知道收购球队绝对不是只是为了收购球队\n\n02:15.211 --> 02:41.911\n它相关政治文化的配套其实是绑在一起的这个过往的渗透手法其实全世界都已经看得非常清楚了在去年五月我们办公室收到了一个陈情来自于国立台湾体大在台中再次强调台中的国立台湾体育运动大学他们在2024年把台湾以及足球联赛的参赛资格从学校端这边转卖给峰会体育有限公司\n\n02:43.191 --> 02:57.920\n同時在去年的5月31號中華足協也做了這個公告當時我們辦公室收到這個陳情之後呢來下一張我們當然要積極跟教育部了解台體大怎麼可以做這樣的事情怎麼可以把足球協會以及聯賽的參賽資格還有球員的權利轉讓給民間公司到底內部審核發生了什麼事情\n\n03:05.825 --> 03:18.401\n當時教育部高將司去做一些行政調查當然現在調查結果我們是不滿意的我們辦公室後續會再持續追蹤因為我們來看一下這個公司到底是什麼樣的公司來下一張\n\n03:20.674 --> 03:32.658\n好那這個是相關的合約內容就長成這樣好主委您看一下那那個乙方也就是峰會體育有限公司的代表者是馮世文那這個案子真的非常非常的誇張當時在轉讓這個權利的時候呢簽名就只有球隊教練一個人\n\n03:37.120 --> 04:04.078\n是這個事情爆發出來之後發現副校長跟校長才知道當然學校不是您所主管的業務沒關係我們往下看馮世文是誰呢馮世文是來自於峰會體育有限公司的代表人但是他同時也是另外港資跟中資的發言人相關的工作如果我們往下繼續追查好下一張我們懷疑國立大學球隊疑似遭到港資收購我們認為陸委會在這件事情上要進一步了解並且掌握狀況不知道主委你有沒有聽過這個新聞\n\n04:07.683 --> 04:20.835\n這個鋼鐵人那個籃球隊鋼鐵人那個沒關係你一定知道對那個反正這個如果有我們國立大學的球隊被港資或中資收購這是我們第一次聽到的轉讓出賽權利對你們第一次聽到對不對\n\n04:24.618 --> 04:29.341\n我們辦公室希望透過公開的質詢讓陸委會知道這個事情我要再次強調他絕對不會只是個案我認為有非常多的可能性在後續會發生怎麼說呢事實上我們來看這個我幫你整理這個表格的意思是這樣\n\n04:44.070 --> 05:12.764\n不是只有足球事實上排球在台灣由單項協會所主辦的企業聯賽他們都有機會代表台灣去參加所謂國際體育組織所辦理的亞洲賽事也就是他們會代表台灣參加國際賽事而這些球隊背後可能是中資或港資就入委會在維持台灣國安的角度你們認為有沒有疑慮啊\n\n05:13.624 --> 05:26.770\n還是你覺得沒關係這個案子反正不管是港資中資按照我們兩條例或是港澳關係條例這種投資都必須要由我們許可\n\n05:27.579 --> 05:50.287\n這個叫投審會機制但是回到剛剛台體大那個完全不用走投審會機制他就是私下就轉讓出去了因為他是學校的球隊所以我認為未來會發展出來的樣態可能會非常多元在我們還沒有意識到這裡已經有滲透的可能性的時候他事實上已經發生了怎麼這麼說呢因為事實上在台中明後年即將落成一個足球園區\n\n05:52.116 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